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Post by rkarp1 on Jul 24, 2016 5:48:51 GMT -5
I am a Zeller fan. hard worker, good team mate. The C's needed another big and he was best available, sans a deal. Knows Brad and Brad knows him.
Green is a head scratcher. never one to play in a structured system like Brads and prone to free lancing. insurance most likely as Brown not ready. Everyone says that the C's need more bigs. I am more concerned with the wings.
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Post by puddin on Jul 24, 2016 6:25:32 GMT -5
A freelancing knucklehead.... (silent k)... as I recall. The kid could dunk though as I also recall... FWIW! Attachment DeletedPud
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Post by teejaytee70 on Jul 24, 2016 6:50:14 GMT -5
DA is like that guy in your fantasy baseball league who picks up a ton of guys off the waiver wire and tries to package them together in a trade offer for your best player. It doesn't work for that guy and it's not going to work for DA.
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Post by teejaytee70 on Jul 24, 2016 7:00:08 GMT -5
I'm amazed that so many people on this board are high on Brown. I was shocked by what I saw in the summer league. I cannot recall seeing a worse finisher in my close to 40 years of NBA watching. He has no clue how to finish. He was bailed out alot by the refs in the summer league playing against sub-D League talent. Not gonna happen in the NBA. I thought he had 1 good game. 1 meh game....quite a few bad games. Wasn't impressed by his last game where he scored 21 points on 21 shots. Hope I'm wrong because it will be devastating if we get nothing more than another defensive role player out of the 3rd overall pick.
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Post by croc on Jul 24, 2016 8:00:14 GMT -5
I'm sure that's why he was named the the Vegas League All Star squad.
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Post by rkarp1 on Jul 24, 2016 8:04:41 GMT -5
I'm sure that's why he was named the the Vegas League All Star squad. But that means he was less crappy the the other players that mostly played crappy 90% of summer league players will not be in the league
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 9:10:37 GMT -5
I thought Ayton was a senior. guess ill have to look a little harder my fault.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 24, 2016 9:34:37 GMT -5
I'm sure that's why he was named the the Vegas League All Star squad. Don't tell him that - he says Brown has no BBIQ. And, he won't be swayed by anyone else. He also thought Kris Dunn was 6'6", and thinks Austin Ainge runs the Scouting Dept. In my 44 years watching the NBA, I've seen many worse finishers at the rim. Another Brown comes to mind. How about Charles Bradley? Also don't think DA is trying to package all of our role players together.........this is either the team, or he plans to trade Crowder and/or Amir.
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Post by teejaytee70 on Jul 24, 2016 10:35:51 GMT -5
Austin Ainge is the director of player personnel. Here is one of the primary duties of a DPP: work.chron.com/director-player-personnel-job-description-23382.htmlPlease pay attention to: Player Evaluation Player evaluation, sometimes called scouting, is a central part of a director of player personnel's job. He must pull together all the information on a player, including input from team scouts and coaches, recruiting services and other sources, to present to the general manager and head coach. Some DPPs have full decision-making authority regarding recruitment, drafting or hiring of players; others operate in a more advisory capacity. So, let me get this straight. You had to go all the way back to Charles Bradley to find a worse finisher than Brown? Thanks for proving my point, Hedley. Who is the other Brown? Kedrick? And this is comforting to you? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) I'm not the only one who thinks Brown has a low BBIQ. The announcers were saying it is summer league. The reason a low BBIQ is a red flag is that not too many players with low BBIQ's develop beyond it. You usually have it or you don't at this point.
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Post by teejaytee70 on Jul 24, 2016 10:39:35 GMT -5
James Young is a good example of a player with a low BBIQ.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 24, 2016 11:06:02 GMT -5
James Young is a good example of a player with a low BBIQ. 100% completely accurate, and I agree.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 24, 2016 11:12:42 GMT -5
Austin Ainge is the director of player personnel. Here is one of the primary duties of a DPP: work.chron.com/director-player-personnel-job-description-23382.htmlPlease pay attention to: Player Evaluation Player evaluation, sometimes called scouting, is a central part of a director of player personnel's job. He must pull together all the information on a player, including input from team scouts and coaches, recruiting services and other sources, to present to the general manager and head coach. Some DPPs have full decision-making authority regarding recruitment, drafting or hiring of players; others operate in a more advisory capacity. So, let me get this straight. You had to go all the way back to Charles Bradley to find a worse finisher than Brown? Thanks for proving my point, Hedley. Who is the other Brown? Kedrick? And this is comforting to you? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) I'm not the only one who thinks Brown has a low BBIQ. The announcers were saying it is summer league. The reason a low BBIQ is a red flag is that not too many players with low BBIQ's develop beyond it. You usually have it or you don't at this point. Yes he is - they have a separate Director of Scouting who reports to Austin Ainge. YOU said he ran the scouting department and implied his decisions supercedes his Dad's. I KNOW what his job is, you just proved MY point. Bradley and Brown were two examples. If I had time, I'd come up with more. As usual, you misread the point. The POINT is - I disagree with you on Jaylen Brown, and I don't know how you can say he has NO (I see it changed it here to low) BBIQ. That, sir, is your OPINION. He needs to learn the NBA game - but not THE game. Crowder said the other day - he has all the tools, he needs to learn the NBA game and slow down a little. I'd say a kid who took graduate level courses as a Freshman, and who has Brad Stevens as his coach could figure that out. But, I know you wouldn't. I'm going to leave this conversation until later in the year. Perhaps you will be right, perhaps not. Gerald Green had a "low" BBIQ when he entered the league. I certainly have higher hopes for Brown than Green. We shall see, teejay, but I'm going to wait until the guy has played a few games........feel free to sit in on your throne and judge everyone (including me) until then!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 11:17:46 GMT -5
Im not buying the low b ball IQ. This man graduated from Cal Berkley taking advanced courses. He wants to get his masters thru Harvard. Green is dummy if you want to go there. Not smart and no D Ainge is showing his desperation quite clearly. Brains are brains on and off the court. You have it or you don't. Some have questioned Brown of being too smart. I'll take that.
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Post by teejaytee70 on Jul 24, 2016 11:24:47 GMT -5
Hedley, if he has a director of Scouting who works under him, then he IS in charge of the scouting. Wow.
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Post by teejaytee70 on Jul 24, 2016 11:25:46 GMT -5
Brown graduated from Cal Berkley as a freshman??? Wow. He is smart!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 24, 2016 11:26:46 GMT -5
Im not buying the low b ball IQ. This man graduated from Cal Berkley taking advanced courses. He wants to get his masters thru Harvard. Green is dummy if you want to go there. Not smart and no D Ainge is showing his desperation quite clearly. Brains are brains on and off the court. You have it or you don't. Some have questioned Brown of being too smart. I'll take that. Agree!! But he only took grad level courses, he didn't graduate yet!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 24, 2016 11:29:59 GMT -5
Hedley, if he has a director of Scouting who works under him, then he IS in charge of the scouting. Wow. And HE reports to his Dad. You implied Austin made all these (your words) "horrible" picks. So, again, we shall see. If none of Rozier, Hunter, Mickey, Brown, Bentil, Jackson, Yabusele, Zizic or Nader work out, then I'll admit our scouting dept - that reports to Austin Ainge - needs an overhaul. Time will tell.
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Post by teejaytee70 on Jul 24, 2016 11:31:20 GMT -5
And you are absolutely correct, Hedley. Gerald Green is another great example of a low BBIQ guy....and look at how long it took him to develop in to a mediocrity.
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Post by teejaytee70 on Jul 24, 2016 11:32:20 GMT -5
So, you think DA just ignores his scouting department and goes against them all the time?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 11:39:31 GMT -5
Brown graduated from Cal Berkley as a freshman??? Wow. He is smart! Woops. Still i stand behind him being on the smart side.
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Post by teejaytee70 on Jul 24, 2016 11:40:53 GMT -5
Austin Ainge was in charge of scouting. He was them promoted to DPP. You think he would have been promoted to DPP if DA did not endorse his player evaluations?
And Hedley, Brown did not graduate from Cal Berkley. He was only a Freshman when he came out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 11:48:31 GMT -5
If Brown is a bust a head will roll little Ainge is first in line. Stevens doesn't like Rozier he has more than one skill set and likely will look over he shoulder of a midget who lost his starting PG spot in the playoffs for a swing man who played the point better than him.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 24, 2016 12:14:00 GMT -5
And you are absolutely correct, Hedley. Gerald Green is another great example of a low BBIQ guy....and look at how long it took him to develop in to a mediocrity. Difference is Gerald Green isn't very smart - Brown is. Green had to go to China, we got rid of him. He was a bust. I have MUCH higher expectations for Brown than Green.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 24, 2016 12:16:16 GMT -5
So, you think DA just ignores his scouting department and goes against them all the time? No I don't. But I don't really know how it all operates. I would imagine they present Danny and Brad all the info and they make the decisions after the combines, the workouts and the interviews - which have nothing to do with scouting. Is is a consensus, or a dictatorship? I don't know, and neither do you.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 24, 2016 12:18:31 GMT -5
Austin Ainge was in charge of scouting. He was them promoted to DPP. You think he would have been promoted to DPP if DA did not endorse his player evaluations? And Hedley, Brown did not graduate from Cal Berkley. He was only a Freshman when he came out. Your hate for me is clouding your judgement, and this is the major problem I have with you teejay. It was DFRIES who said he graduated from Berkely, not ME.....re-read the posts. Everything wrong you attribute to me. I even corrected the man myself. He then admitted he mispoke, and STILL you think it was me? He took graduate level courses as a freshman is exactly what I said.........if your hate is that strong, please don't respond to me anymore......
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