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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jul 11, 2016 20:18:23 GMT -5
Dan Lifshatz (Felger & Mazz) started it, yesterday:
"Celtics are working the trade market for a deal and have made significant progress on a star player. Danny could trike again"
Lifshatz also tweeted that it's not Okafor, and it's not Rudy Gay, and that it's someone that Celtics fans "WILL" like.
When someone asked Lifshatz if this mystery player would make us better than Cleveland? Lifshatz replied "No".
At this point, I thought that Blake Griffin was most likely the mystery man, and I've been glued to Twitter ever since.
Today, Keith Smith (before he had to turn off his phone and walk into his Pro Scout Class) tweeted:
"Hearing some rumors here in Las Vegas that BOS is talking Blake Griffin again. And this time it could be a 3 way with SAC getting R. Gay."
And..
"To clarify my earlier tweet: BOS would get Griffin, LAC would get Gay and SAC would get Crowder. Other pieces also involved."
Is this a coincidence? Lifshatz claims we're making significant progress who matches Blake's description, and Smith confirms that we are talking to LAC, again?
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 11, 2016 20:24:49 GMT -5
Dan Lifshatz (Felger & Mazz) started it, yesterday:
"Celtics are working the trade market for a deal and have made significant progress on a star player. Danny could trike again"
Lifshatz also tweeted that it's not Okafor, and it's not Rudy Gay, and that it's someone that Celtics fans "WILL" like.
When someone asked Lifshatz if this mystery player would make us better than Cleveland? Lifshatz replied "No".
At this point, I thought that Blake Griffin was most likely the mystery man, and I've been glued to Twitter ever since.
Today, Keith Smith (before he had to turn off his phone and walk into his Pro Scout Class) tweeted:
"Hearing some rumors here in Las Vegas that BOS is talking Blake Griffin again. And this time it could be a 3 way with SAC getting R. Gay."
And..
"To clarify my earlier tweet: BOS would get Griffin, LAC would get Gay and SAC would get Crowder. Other pieces also involved."
Is this a coincidence? Lifshatz claims we're making significant progress who matches Blake's description, and Smith confirms that we are talking to LAC, again?
That trade, as proposed, is highway freakin' robbery.
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Post by Admin on Jul 11, 2016 20:57:20 GMT -5
A few days earlier that guy was pushing a Cousins rumor on F&M ... tomorrow it will be Westbrook ... Sooner or later he will pick a winner.
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jul 11, 2016 21:08:26 GMT -5
Hahaha..the one thing I keep seeing amidst these Cousins rumors, is that 'Cousins wants to play for Boston'?
Has anyone seen any semi-reliable source confirm this?
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jul 11, 2016 21:14:19 GMT -5
Also, a third source, Edwin Khu, just reported that BOS and LAC are indeed talking.
Of course, this contradicts the needs for a 'bigger stronger CENTER' and 'shooting'.
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Post by Admin on Jul 11, 2016 21:33:10 GMT -5
Also, a third source, Edwin Khu, just reported that BOS and LAC are indeed talking. Of course, this contradicts the needs for a 'bigger stronger CENTER' and 'shooting'. So we had too many frontcourt players ... recind Sully's QO and let him walk to open up space but then call LAC about another PF? I'm not buying it ... we'd have to make Horford play C all the time with Griffin at PF. Makes no sense ...
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jul 11, 2016 21:39:54 GMT -5
Ahhh yes, the quest for a superstar never ends. And I'm starting to think that one of the biggest reasons we drafted Jaylen Brown was so we could immediately make Jae Crowder available. I keep reading about how other teams LOVE Jae.
Jae for Blake Griffin? Sounds good to me.
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Post by Admin on Jul 11, 2016 21:42:09 GMT -5
It would cost the Celtics at least one of their remaining Brooklyn Nets draft picks–and probably both–and a couple of their young players. For someone of Cousins’ caliber, that is more than fair. Given the fact that Boston does have the goods to make an acceptable offer for Cousins and that he would obviously fit the type of player that Ainge has been referring to, it’s not crazy to think he is the guy Boston is after. While Cousins and Horford may seem like a strange pairing on the surface, they could certainly slot in next to one another and be just fine. Cousins is a solid defender, can spread the floor and is a fantastic facilitator. Plus, he would cover up Horford’s one weakness: rebounding. So, pursuing Cousins makes complete sense. www.todaysfastbreak.com/nba-east/boston-celtics/celtics-pursuing-demarcus-cousins/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 22:05:42 GMT -5
It would cost the Celtics at least one of their remaining Brooklyn Nets draft picks–and probably both–and a couple of their young players. For someone of Cousins’ caliber, that is more than fair. Given the fact that Boston does have the goods to make an acceptable offer for Cousins and that he would obviously fit the type of player that Ainge has been referring to, it’s not crazy to think he is the guy Boston is after. While Cousins and Horford may seem like a strange pairing on the surface, they could certainly slot in next to one another and be just fine. Cousins is a solid defender, can spread the floor and is a fantastic facilitator. Plus, he would cover up Horford’s one weakness: rebounding. So, pursuing Cousins makes complete sense. www.todaysfastbreak.com/nba-east/boston-celtics/celtics-pursuing-demarcus-cousins/you are absolutely certifiably insane if you would give up both Nets picks for Blake Griffin, or Demarcus Cousins!
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jul 11, 2016 22:13:02 GMT -5
I agree. I could picture Vlade hitting the reset button this summer, taking our draft picks and ANYONE else he likes, and Boogie living happily ever after with Tom Brady.
I'd obviously much rather have Cousins.
BUT you can't just ignore the noise. LOTS of people are talking about Blake Griffin and Boston right now. And I doubt it's a 3-way in which SAC gets Griffin- SAC has way too many prospect PFs that I'm sure Joerger is excited about developing.
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Post by myurkus on Jul 11, 2016 22:14:34 GMT -5
I would give up one nets pick and players for cousins. Griffin makes no sense, we would have 2 all star pf, neither of whom should be playing C at this point.
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jul 11, 2016 22:18:23 GMT -5
"you are absolutely certifiably insane if you would give up both Nets picks for Blake Griffin, or Demarcus Cousins!"
Yes, you are absolutely correct IF we had any OTHER GM besides Danny Ainge!
Danny just somehow managed to turn the #3, #16, #23, #31, and #35 into ONE top ten player during a very weak draft!
Somehow, despite FIVE picks in the top 35, we'll only see ONE of the picks perform for us. And so far, he's only hit a combined 5 shots versus summer league competition!
My point is, as long as DA's at the helm, who cares about draft picks?! We could have all 60 picks next year, and after the draft, our roster will still be totally un-balanced!
Mortgage all our picks from now until 2020 if it means making us fun and competitive again.
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jul 11, 2016 22:20:27 GMT -5
Adding Griffin would sort of make us resemble a poor man's 2014 LAC. (our big three of Horford, IT2, and Blake would obviously be less effective than Deandre, CP3, and Blake....and we all saw how far those guys got)
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Post by Admin on Jul 11, 2016 22:25:42 GMT -5
It would cost the Celtics at least one of their remaining Brooklyn Nets draft picks–and probably both–and a couple of their young players. For someone of Cousins’ caliber, that is more than fair. Given the fact that Boston does have the goods to make an acceptable offer for Cousins and that he would obviously fit the type of player that Ainge has been referring to, it’s not crazy to think he is the guy Boston is after. While Cousins and Horford may seem like a strange pairing on the surface, they could certainly slot in next to one another and be just fine. Cousins is a solid defender, can spread the floor and is a fantastic facilitator. Plus, he would cover up Horford’s one weakness: rebounding. So, pursuing Cousins makes complete sense. www.todaysfastbreak.com/nba-east/boston-celtics/celtics-pursuing-demarcus-cousins/you are absolutely certifiably insane if you would give up both Nets picks for Blake Griffin, or Demarcus Cousins! Put the pipe down ... see the link ... that's the writers take, not mine. When I remark on a media report I italicize the story and then opine in regular type. If I just paste a report I provide a few lines with the link for you to inspect on your own, if interested. If you have a better option to avoid confusion let me know.
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Post by thejuice on Jul 12, 2016 10:44:30 GMT -5
I would give up one nets pick and players for cousins. Griffin makes no sense, we would have 2 all star pf, neither of whom should be playing C at this point. Agree completely. Summed it up perfectly
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Post by billge on Jul 12, 2016 11:11:50 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by rkarp1 on Jul 12, 2016 11:48:19 GMT -5
Lifshatz is a joke. I dont see anything reputable regarding Griffin
lets hope and pray it is not Rudy Gay
with Horford on board, dont want Boogie.
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Post by thejuice on Jul 12, 2016 13:35:50 GMT -5
Lifshatz is a joke. I dont see anything reputable regarding Griffin lets hope and pray it is not Rudy Gay with Horford on board, dont want Boogie. Boogie at the 5 & AH at the 4, might just be the best pf & c duo in the league..id be all for that.. We need a legit 5. Horford can play the 5, but he's ideally suited as our starting pf that plays some center
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jul 12, 2016 13:42:30 GMT -5
"Lifshatz is a joke. I dont see anything reputable regarding Griffin"
Bob Ryan was commenting on the tweets regarding Blake, and not the one's made by Lifshatz, so there is some substance here.
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Post by Admin on Jul 12, 2016 13:54:05 GMT -5
A moderator on RealGM at Vegas started this Griffin rumor ... Crowder/Rozier to SAC, Gay to LAC & Griffin to BOS. Sounds like a steal for us (unless picks or other player/s involved) but another PF makes no sense. BTW, LifShitz is on there as well with his rumors. Here's a copy of OP: forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1463650&start=580#start_here----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: A little Celtics buzz Post#594 » by Smitty731 » Yesterday 5:53 pm Smitty731: I've talked to a few people this morning and I'm starting to put some stuff together. I have no intention of putting this on Twitter until it is a LOT more solid, but here it is: The Okafor stuff re-starting is just a smokescreen. The Celtics like him, but they are going a different direction. With Gay wanting to move, the Kings have been packaging him with Koufos and getting no one to bite. The Clippers loved the way they played with 4 smalls around Jordan. They wouldn't mind starting Mbah a Moute at PF, provided they could upgrade at SF, ideally with someone who could slide up to PF. The Clippers also want someone to back up Jordan beyond. Speights. The Celtics are hinting at a big name which sounds a lot to me like Blake Griffin. And the Celtics are holding off doing anything with Holland (nice extra piece for salary matching that could just be waived by the new time ie: Chris Babb last year) and Zeller (maybe a S&T). So, I think there exists the potential for a three team trade that delivers Griffin to Boston, Gay to the Clippers, and Crowder and pieces to Sacramento. Sacramento really like Rozier and Collison has the pending legal troubles. It wouldn't shock me at all if something comes together in the next few days. It also wouldn't surprise if nothing comes together at all. A regular trade is hard enough, adding another team makes it that much harder. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossy2008: If you were the Clippers wouldn't you prefer Crowder over Gay? He serves the same purpose, is younger, and on a great long term contract. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Smitty731: Doc likes guys he knows and he has a good relationship with Gay. And he'll almost always take the vet over the younger guy.
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Post by Admin on Jul 12, 2016 13:55:52 GMT -5
He also posted this;
"Another guy told me Pierce would 100% go to Boston if they did a Griffin trade. The challenge a bit is salary matching. Likely Johnson has to go out in any deal, since he's the only $10+ salary Boston has besides Horford."
He also said to forget Cousins ... he's off the table.
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Post by fisher on Jul 12, 2016 14:24:39 GMT -5
Pierce can still get his 10 minutes a game and when he breaks down IR is the answer for his last year... Replacements are already in place..
Don't know his salary, but I'll bet he's overpaid..
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Post by croc on Jul 12, 2016 14:42:18 GMT -5
It would cost the Celtics at least one of their remaining Brooklyn Nets draft picks–and probably both–and a couple of their young players. For someone of Cousins’ caliber, that is more than fair. Given the fact that Boston does have the goods to make an acceptable offer for Cousins and that he would obviously fit the type of player that Ainge has been referring to, it’s not crazy to think he is the guy Boston is after. While Cousins and Horford may seem like a strange pairing on the surface, they could certainly slot in next to one another and be just fine. Cousins is a solid defender, can spread the floor and is a fantastic facilitator. Plus, he would cover up Horford’s one weakness: rebounding. So, pursuing Cousins makes complete sense. www.todaysfastbreak.com/nba-east/boston-celtics/celtics-pursuing-demarcus-cousins/I'm onboard for using the BKN picks for Cousins. They'd still have room to pursue a top FA in 2017, and would be at least better than Toronto in 2016-2017. But definitely against trading for Griffin as he'll opt out for sure. They need sustainable talent. Cousins is sustainable, Griffin is not. ETA - If it doesn't involve a BKN pick, I'd consider a shot at Griffin.
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Post by Admin on Jul 12, 2016 15:07:27 GMT -5
If there's anything to this, I could see Griffin being flipped for another core piece otherwise Griffin-Horford doesn't make sense.
I haven't heard of any picks involved for Griffin but the same guy reporting Griffin says Cousins is off the table FWIW.
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Post by croc on Jul 12, 2016 15:23:24 GMT -5
Griffin is arguably a top 10 player. Management might love it from a business perspective.
A caller on 98.5 made the point that Pierce could mentor Brown as well as anyone, plus if they played him the last few minutes of a game he might have enough in the tank to be a closer.
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