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Post by croc on Jul 12, 2016 15:29:38 GMT -5
Pierce gets ~ a modest $3.5 /y
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Post by croc on Jul 12, 2016 16:18:20 GMT -5
Some gems from lifshtaz:
Dan Lifshatz @danlifshatz 38m38 minutes ago
I do believe as part of the deal Griffin will have to be willing to pick up his player option, much like Love did for CLE
Dan Lifshatz @danlifshatz 51m51 minutes ago
Celtics and Clippers are still talking. There is a holdup on the deal. I do not know what it is. Package would include at least one BRK 1st
Can anyone think might be "holding this up"?
Time to move on citizens.
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Post by billge on Jul 12, 2016 18:05:33 GMT -5
Have been on line for forty three straight hours waiting for the Boogie or Blake FIREWORKS. Have lost vision in my left eye, haven't even gone back to the liquor store and have run out of cheezits. Need someone to pick up some more of each. Would like some 151 Rum so I don't drink too much, All my pals are at the local and I can't go down because I might miss the deal. Please take uber and you will be well rewarded on arrival. Would help if you also know how to start a GOFUNDME thing, because I have stopped going to work and must pay the rent. Could also use a blood pressure cup. You will be somewhat well rewarded as this will probably come to a conclusion in the next couple of days..... or weeks. If you read this and can't make it, please send a priest , and don't forget to tell him about the rum. ...... I am dreaming of FIREWOR
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Post by croc on Jul 12, 2016 18:21:36 GMT -5
You could try looking for Pokemon. That's likely to yield more tangible results...as we hear there are some 'minor snags' to a Griffin deal. Such as him agreeing to pick up his 2017 option, and the C's including a BKN pick. We've been Lif shat upon.
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Post by drboogiebone on Jul 12, 2016 19:41:39 GMT -5
Some gems from lifshtaz: Dan Lifshatz @danlifshatz 38m38 minutes ago I do believe as part of the deal Griffin will have to be willing to pick up his player option, much like Love did for CLE
Dan Lifshatz @danlifshatz 51m51 minutes ago
Celtics and Clippers are still talking. There is a holdup on the deal. I do not know what it is. Package would include at least one BRK 1st
Can anyone think might be "holding this up"? Time to move on citizens. I really do not want this guy. He's... ok, but cares more about posterizing players then winning championships. I think that mentatily is one of the main reasons the Clippers underachieved. Griffin and Jordan are not in the correct frame of mind to win titles. Maybe for the 2018 Brooklyn pick, but I wouldn't give them next years. I really want a crack at Josh Jackson.
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Post by jgallag1 on Jul 12, 2016 21:07:43 GMT -5
I would definitely take Griffin. I don't want to give up the 2017 pick, but the other Brooklyn pick would be fine. I think he'd fit alongside Horford very well with Horford's ability to shoot. That's one thing that Jordan can't do at all is shoot. If it was a choice I'd rather go for Cousins, but if you can go get Griffin for just Crowder and a pick I think I have to pull the trigger. I'm a big Crowder guy, but Griffin is a legit superstar. If PP comes back in the deal then it's a no brainer.
It does take away some of your 3 point shooting though, so if this move is made, I think another needs to happen.
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Post by Admin on Jul 13, 2016 1:29:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 6:52:46 GMT -5
Some gems from lifshtaz: Dan Lifshatz @danlifshatz 38m38 minutes ago I do believe as part of the deal Griffin will have to be willing to pick up his player option, much like Love did for CLE
Dan Lifshatz @danlifshatz 51m51 minutes ago
Celtics and Clippers are still talking. There is a holdup on the deal. I do not know what it is. Package would include at least one BRK 1st
Can anyone think might be "holding this up"? Time to move on citizens. I really do not want this guy. He's... ok, but cares more about posterizing players then winning championships. I think that mentatily is one of the main reasons the Clippers underachieved. Griffin and Jordan are not in the correct frame of mind to win titles. Maybe for the 2018 Brooklyn pick, but I wouldn't give them next years. I really want a crack at Josh Jackson. Exactly my thoughts Griffin is a loser. Leave him with Rivers. I'll take Pierce for a year just to teach Brown how to let the game come to him.
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Post by Admin on Jul 13, 2016 8:12:31 GMT -5
I really do not want this guy. He's... ok, but cares more about posterizing players then winning championships. I think that mentatily is one of the main reasons the Clippers underachieved. Griffin and Jordan are not in the correct frame of mind to win titles. Maybe for the 2018 Brooklyn pick, but I wouldn't give them next years. I really want a crack at Josh Jackson. Exactly my thoughts Griffin is a loser. Leave him with Rivers. I'll take Pierce for a year just to teach Brown how to let the game come to him. Have you seen any of Brown in SL? Curious who you'd compare him to at this early stage ... I may have been premature breaching the silence with the MD guy's name but I'm seeing names like D Wilkins, Westbrook, Jordan, Butler & Wade on other sites. If his shooting and ability to finish improve I still wonder if eventually my comp doesn't become more acceptable.
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jul 13, 2016 9:11:44 GMT -5
1) What is the 'holdup' that Lifshatz may be referring to? Let's not forget here, that Doc rivers isn't exactly a proponent of hitting the Reset button, regardless of the circumstances. Doc didn't want to break up the KG/Pierce/Ray trio and I'm sure he's not in a big rush to break up the Blake/Deandre/CP3 trio either. The 'holdup' must include acquiring one of our BKN pics while remaining equally competitive at the same time. And I'm sure Doc and Steve Ballmer are both realizing right about now, that Rudy Gay doesn't solve that problem.
2) Who would you compare Jaylen Brown to? I'm only throwing this out there, because I haven't heard anyone else compare Jaylen Brown to James Harden yet. Of course, there's major difference, Brown's a solid defender, and Harden's a very good 3-point shooter. However, they both use a combination of strength and finesse to penetrate into the paint, and make it look almost effortless. Don't be surprised if you see Stevens run a lot of Iso plays for Jaylen next year.
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Post by Admin on Jul 13, 2016 9:21:54 GMT -5
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 13, 2016 10:01:58 GMT -5
Exactly my thoughts Griffin is a loser. Leave him with Rivers. I'll take Pierce for a year just to teach Brown how to let the game come to him. Have you seen any of Brown in SL? Curious who you'd compare him to at this early stage ... I may have been premature breaching the silence with the MD guy's name but I'm seeing names like D Wilkins, Westbrook, Jordan, Butler & Wade on other sites. If his shooting and ability to finish improve I still wonder if eventually my comp doesn't become more acceptable. If his game resembles that guy from MD, then I'll be really happy, and may even say his name myself, after 30 years......lol.
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Post by thejuice on Jul 13, 2016 10:23:46 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jul 13, 2016 10:42:11 GMT -5
I'm not so sure myself that I want to see him at PF and Horford at C ... prefer AH at PF and "a stronger C" at center optimizing Horford's skill set.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 13:09:41 GMT -5
Exactly my thoughts Griffin is a loser. Leave him with Rivers. I'll take Pierce for a year just to teach Brown how to let the game come to him. Have you seen any of Brown in SL? Curious who you'd compare him to at this early stage ... I may have been premature breaching the silence with the MD guy's name but I'm seeing names like D Wilkins, Westbrook, Jordan, Butler & Wade on other sites. If his shooting and ability to finish improve I still wonder if eventually my comp doesn't become more acceptable. Don't get me wrong i like Brown alot.. He goes to the hoop better than Pierce did as a rookie. He got the tools to play better defense to. Just needs a jumper a mid range is fine just like Turner. He's not Bias but no one else has been either. He's probably more like Butler than any of the other guys. Either way that's a crowd any player would like to be mentioned with. One year of Pierce's training would be nice. Always wanted to see him leave in green.
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Post by kyceltic on Jul 13, 2016 13:23:43 GMT -5
Would love Griffin. Looks like Westbrook is on the Celtics radar now!! The more I see of Brown, the more I see a young Kobe, spin moves like Kobe, that fall away jumper was just like Kobe!!
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jul 13, 2016 13:50:48 GMT -5
Dan Lifshatz replied to one of MY tweets today! (No matter what happens this day going forward, DAN LIFSHATZ RULES!)
Anyway, now that rumors are starting to fly regarding Westbrook, I'm strangely warming up to the Blake potential.
Westbrook and IT2 simply won't mesh. Personally, I think Russell's play was part of the reason why KD decided to leave OKC. And like Lifshatz says, we'd be risking a lot of assets for a possible one-year rental.
Priority should now be as follows:
1) Boogie- No price is TOO high 2) Blake- Throw Pierce in the deal and it will be hard to find a C's fan that's thrilled 3) Westbrook- Cross your fingers and enjoy the ride 4) Okafor- A not-too-shabby consolation prize. And unlike Lifshatz says, Okafor doesn't suck 5) Semih Erden- If DA signs Erden, this forum tries to sue DA the same way Patriots fans tried to sue the NFL, and we demand a new GM.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 13, 2016 14:05:19 GMT -5
Dan Lifshatz replied to one of MY tweets today! (No matter what happens this day going forward, DAN LIFSHATZ RULES!) Anyway, now that rumors are starting to fly regarding Westbrook, I'm strangely warming up to the Blake potential. Westbrook and IT2 simply won't mesh. Personally, I think Russell's play was part of the reason why KD decided to leave OKC. And like Lifshatz says, we'd be risking a lot of assets for a possible one-year rental. Priority should now be as follows: 1) Boogie- No price is TOO high 2) Blake- Throw Pierce in the deal and it will be hard to find a C's fan that's thrilled 3) Westbrook- Cross your fingers and enjoy the ride 4) Okafor- A not-too-shabby consolation prize. And unlike Lifshatz says, Okafor doesn't suck 5) Semih Erden- If DA signs Erden, this forum tries to sue DA the same way Patriots fans tried to sue the NFL, and we demand a new GM. I'm sure they'd ask Westbrook to delay his free agency a year. They can do that by maximizing his contract this year, and then he opts in next year, and gets the max at a huge raise. THAT I would do. Otherwise, I don't see Danny selling the farm for 1 year.
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Post by croc on Jul 13, 2016 14:44:28 GMT -5
Griffin or Westbrook not opting into free agency seems unlikely. I don't see the C's trading either BKN pick without it being for at least 2 years. I would trade a lot for Boogie, probably both BKN picks plus, as he is sustainable and would fit well. This sounds like media taking an inquiry and blowing it out of proportion.
Okafor on a lesser deal is more realistic.
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Post by croc on Jul 13, 2016 15:51:47 GMT -5
Anyone recall that 14 yo kid who scored a couple MLB FA signings because he happened across a legit insider? Then they totally clammed up and he faded into the walls. That's the Shat we are being Lift'd here. You don't want to sniff the wind he is emitting now.
Red's Army take on Lifshatz and his buddies:
John Karalis
@redsarmy_John John Karalis Retweeted Dan Lifshatz
Oh shit... it's a fake Woj battle!
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Post by drewski6 on Jul 13, 2016 16:05:56 GMT -5
2 Bkln picks + Crowder for Boogie , and we still win the trade (by a large margin). Sac wouldnt do this. 1 Blkn pick + Crowder + 1 later first for Griffin sounds fair. LAC might do this.
Anyone would rather have Boogie than Griffin, but thats not the debate. The debate is would you do a deal that involves one Bkln pick + Crowder + 1-2 spare parts for Griffin? I would ensure that I cant swing something similar for Boogie first, and if its obvious that I cant, yes, I pull the trigger.
People are way overrating the Bkln picks because they are fogetting one simple fact. Bkln, unlike every other team, has no incentive to tank. It doesnt matter how bad they are, they will finish with a better record than at least 1-2 teams looking to lose on purpose.
The Bkln picks should be considered top 5 probably, top 3 maybe, top 1 very unlikely. They arent #1 picks.
Griffin and Horford would be fine together. Griffin attacks, Horford shoots. With both + IT + Bradley + Brown, suddenly , we have all sorts of ways to score.
Yes we will be out-rebounded by most teams and yes our interior D will be weak. But thats not as big of a deal as it was 5 yrs ago. You really dont need a center in today's NBA.
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Post by croc on Jul 13, 2016 16:20:12 GMT -5
1 Blkn pick + Crowder + 1 later first for Griffin sounds fair. LAC might do this.
Why would the Celtics do this for a 1 year rental? Griffin IS optining out at the 99.99% level.
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Post by thejuice on Jul 13, 2016 17:01:02 GMT -5
1 Blkn pick + Crowder + 1 later first for Griffin sounds fair. LAC might do this.
Why would the Celtics do this for a 1 year rental? Griffin IS optining out at the 99.99% level. Exactly... Dealing a bkn pick for any player signed less than 2-3 years at least, is foolish.
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Post by croc on Jul 13, 2016 17:10:26 GMT -5
Red'sArmy has their favorite contestant: Russell Westbrook redsarmy.com/2016/07/13/report-celtics-most-likely-destination-if-westbrook-gets-traded/Same issue only 1 year assurance. I think they are correct on OKC is shopping him. Presumably they'd sell Westbrook on another top tier FA coming back in 2017. (They have a really nice bridge in Brooklyn too.) Another issue is do they have two pseudo PGs or one? Can we please go back to Okafor?
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Post by Admin on Jul 13, 2016 22:21:54 GMT -5
Red'sArmy has their favorite contestant: Russell Westbrook redsarmy.com/2016/07/13/report-celtics-most-likely-destination-if-westbrook-gets-traded/Same issue only 1 year assurance. I think they are correct on OKC is shopping him. Presumably they'd sell Westbrook on another top tier FA coming back in 2017. (They have a really nice bridge in Brooklyn too.) Another issue is do they have two pseudo PGs or one? Can we please go back to Okafor? Re: A little Celtics buzz Post#1899 » by Smitty731 prov1ml wrote: So, we haven't heard from Smitty in about 2 days... could it be possible that the fact that he is radio silent means he got his you know what chewed for leaking this? If that's the case, doesn't that mean there was some truth behind it? I doubt he gets in trouble if it doesn't have some truth to it. #hereishoping Smitty: FWIW, it did kind of go down like that a little bit. I may have lost a source, but all part of the game.
Re: A little Celtics buzz Post#1909 » by Smitty731 So there are a lot of guys here who think Westbrook to Boston is basically done. Nothing official, but enough chatter that it could be true. On the flip side, one guy heard one Brooklyn pick to OKC for Westbrook and the other Brooklyn pick to LAC for Griffin. But I can't figure out that salary matching for the life of me. Without completely dumping all the depth of course.
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