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Post by solly on Jan 28, 2021 11:55:24 GMT -5
Who said it had to be a Center? NOT ME. The Celts needed a Center. In this game you said Theis would close, I said TT would close. Theis only played 12 minutes because he was no match for Aldridge. Before 8:09 of the 3rd qtr., Aldridge already had 18 points. When TT came in for Theis at the 8:09 mark, Aldridge only managed to score 2 points until the game ended. The Center is a position the Celts needed badly to upgrade. TT is the short-term solution. For some reason you are obsessed with adding Centers. Bam had a good series against them last year, but he wasnt the sole reason why the Celtics lost. The best Players in the east are Durant, Harden, Kyrie, Giannis, Embiid. Theres far more wings that dominate the league than centers. They need a guy to protect the rim and alter shots from players driving.
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 28, 2021 11:55:27 GMT -5
Not taking that deal is making Ainge look worse everyday! Teague so far is almost useless! If Ainge fails to improve this team, and tells us "I like my guys" he should be replaced! How about impeached? That too!
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Post by fierce on Jan 28, 2021 11:55:42 GMT -5
Here's the scenario if Ainge pulled the trigger on the Indy trade.
Celts will get Turner and McDermott.
So the Celts will be a finished product at the start of the season.
Why?
It would be very hard to make trades because adding Turner and McDermott would raise the Celtic payroll to 140m.
140m!
If teams don't want Kemba or Turner, no trade will happen.
The advantage of having the TPE is it allows the Celts to trade even if salaries don't match.
And right now the Celtic payroll is only 115-116m, so the Celts have more flexibility in making trades.
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Post by fierce on Jan 28, 2021 12:00:06 GMT -5
The Celts needed a Center. In this game you said Theis would close, I said TT would close. Theis only played 12 minutes because he was no match for Aldridge. Before 8:09 of the 3rd qtr., Aldridge already had 18 points. When TT came in for Theis at the 8:09 mark, Aldridge only managed to score 2 points until the game ended. The Center is a position the Celts needed badly to upgrade. TT is the short-term solution. Didn't you write last night that Brad was subbing in offense-defense at that position. I believe BOTH Theis and Thompson played in the final minutes of the game. You have your opinion on this, and I have mine Brad went offense-defense in the last 1 minute of the game. It was situational. But from 8:09 of the 3rd qtr. to 56.8 of the 4th qtr., Theis never played. If Theis closed out the game then he would have played more than 12 minutes. 56.8 Daniel Theis enters the game for Tristan Thompson 33.2 Tristan Thompson enters the game for Daniel Theis Offense-defense substitution in the last minute of the game. Theis is the better overall player because he's better on offense. But TT is the better Center because TT is a true Center while Theis is more of a PF playing Center.
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Post by solly on Jan 28, 2021 12:00:26 GMT -5
Here's the scenario if Ainge pulled the trigger on the Indy trade. Celts will get Turner and McDermott. So the Celts will be a finished product at the start of the season. Why? It would be very hard to make trades because adding Turner and McDermott would raise the Celtic payroll to 140m. 140m! If teams don't want Kemba or Turner, no trade will happen. The advantage of having the TPE is it allows the Celts to trade even if salaries don't match. And right now the Celtic payroll is only 115-116m, so the Celts have more flexibility in making trades. Regardless of this your best players are never changing. They are Brown and Tatum. They only go as far as they take them. Adding two players that wouldve played actual minutes in a playoff series helps this team more then a 25% chance at maybe adding somebody
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 28, 2021 12:01:31 GMT -5
By the way did I call the availability of Lonzo Ball and JJ Redick so long ago? Yeah me! Lol Yes you did, but the same thing applies to Lonzo. What is the interest around the league, and what King's ransom will they be asking for him?
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Post by fierce on Jan 28, 2021 12:03:26 GMT -5
This is the play that caused Brad to yank Theis.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 28, 2021 12:05:41 GMT -5
Didn't you write last night that Brad was subbing in offense-defense at that position. I believe BOTH Theis and Thompson played in the final minutes of the game. You have your opinion on this, and I have mine Brad went offense-defense in the last 1 minute of the game. It was situational. But from 8:09 of the 3rd qtr. to 56.8 of the 4th qtr., Theis never played. If Theis closed out the game then he would have played more than 12 minutes. 56.8 Daniel Theis enters the game for Tristan Thompson 33.2 Tristan Thompson enters the game for Daniel Theis Offense-defense substitution in the last minute of the game. Theis is the better overall player because he's better on offense. But TT is the better Center because TT is a true Center while Theis is more of a PF playing Center. Theis got in early foul trouble, and was largely ineffective in that game. I'm sure LA didn't score all of his points against Theis. In addition, I would say DeRozan and Johnson were just as troublesome as LA. Theis probably didn't come them
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Post by fierce on Jan 28, 2021 12:07:54 GMT -5
Some of you guys refuse to give TT credit but Sabonis has not scored 20 or more against the Cs in back to back games.
Andre Drummond was limited to 11 points and 5 rebounds.
Bam Adebayo was held to 15 points and 8 rebounds.
TT is not a great Center but he's a good fit.
TT, Theis, and RWill are doing a good job at Center.
Right now the problem is the Celts need to get comfortable with each other.
This game against the Spurs is the first game the Celts played that they were at full strength.
It's just a matter of time.
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Post by solly on Jan 28, 2021 12:10:09 GMT -5
Brad went offense-defense in the last 1 minute of the game. It was situational. But from 8:09 of the 3rd qtr. to 56.8 of the 4th qtr., Theis never played. If Theis closed out the game then he would have played more than 12 minutes. 56.8 Daniel Theis enters the game for Tristan Thompson 33.2 Tristan Thompson enters the game for Daniel Theis Offense-defense substitution in the last minute of the game. Theis is the better overall player because he's better on offense. But TT is the better Center because TT is a true Center while Theis is more of a PF playing Center. Theis got in early foul trouble, and was largely ineffective in that game. I'm sure LA didn't score all of his points against Theis. In addition, I would say DeRozan and Johnson were just as troublesome as LA. Theis probably didn't come them Right, we blame all of the defensive issue on Theis and give TT all the credit for some odd reason. Pretty sure Brad was talking about how easily SA got to the rim last night considering basically every Spur starter dominated
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Post by solly on Jan 28, 2021 12:11:25 GMT -5
Some of you guys refuse to give TT credit but Sabonis has not scored 20 or more against the Cs in back to back games. Andre Drummond was limited to 11 points and 5 rebounds. Bam Adebayo was held to 15 points and 8 rebounds. TT is not a great Center but he's a good fit. TT, Theis, and RWill are doing a good job at Center. Right now the problem is the Celts need to get comfortable with each other. This game against the Spurs is the first game the Celts played that they were at full strength. It's just a matter of time. The players in the East standing in Bostons way. Sabonis, Drummond and Adebayo. Too funny
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Post by fierce on Jan 28, 2021 12:12:00 GMT -5
Brad went offense-defense in the last 1 minute of the game. It was situational. But from 8:09 of the 3rd qtr. to 56.8 of the 4th qtr., Theis never played. If Theis closed out the game then he would have played more than 12 minutes. 56.8 Daniel Theis enters the game for Tristan Thompson 33.2 Tristan Thompson enters the game for Daniel Theis Offense-defense substitution in the last minute of the game. Theis is the better overall player because he's better on offense. But TT is the better Center because TT is a true Center while Theis is more of a PF playing Center. Theis got in early foul trouble, and was largely ineffective in that game. I'm sure LA didn't score all of his points against Theis. In addition, I would say DeRozan and Johnson were just as troublesome as LA. Theis probably didn't come them Majority of the points of LA cam against Theis because both of them were starters. TT came off the bench and he was facing Poeltl. It was only in the 8:09 of the 3rd qtr. that TT started defending LA. And Theis always gets in foul trouble, that's nothing new. The problem with Theis at Center is he's small for a Center. That's why he overcompensates and ends up fouling a lot. When Brad used the 2-big lineup and Theis was more of a PF, Theis was scoring a lot of points. Theis is just not a true Center.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 28, 2021 12:12:42 GMT -5
By the way did I call the availability of Lonzo Ball and JJ Redick so long ago? Yeah me! Lol Yes you did, but the same thing applies to Lonzo. What is the interest around the league, and what King's ransom will they be asking for him? Buy low sell high. Right now his stock is low. In my gut, I feel he will have a career similar to Jason Kidd. One of my favorite point guards. Only Kidd NEVER dunked! And Kidd was not as good a 3 point shooter at this stage of his career. Kidd was like an MVP by the time he got to the Nets! I see the same steady growth in Lonzo's future. He loves the game too much to go through the motions. That is a factor, too. How much does a player LOVE the game?
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 28, 2021 12:19:09 GMT -5
Theis makes the same mistakes over and over again and in general it's lack of defensive discipline.
That's why he's foul prone and that's the opinion of the refs against him.
They know it!
Whether it's a good opponent or a mediocre opponent he lacks defensive discipline consistently.
Over committing.
Reaching in.
Swiping down.
Allowing continuation.
Jumping on top of players.
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Post by fierce on Jan 28, 2021 12:19:54 GMT -5
I admit that TT is not going to stop Embiid.
But the Celts must first win in the 1st round and win again in the 2nd round to advance to the east finals.
Worst case scenario is the Celts can't get an Embiid stopper and end up with TT, Theis, and RWill for the playoffs.
Those 3 Centers are good enough to handle the likes of Sabonis, Adebayo, and Brook Lopez.
Pacers, Bucks, and Heat are all potential opponents of the Celts in the first two rounds of the playoffs.
Brook Lopez was held to 7 points and 3 rebounds when the Celts beat the Bucks in the first game of the season.
Lopez always scored in double figures against the Celts last season.
The upgrade at Center is not very significant, but it's better than what the Celts had last season.
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Post by solly on Jan 28, 2021 12:23:01 GMT -5
I admit that TT is not going to stop Embiid. But the Celts must first win in the 1st round and win again in the 2nd round to advance to the east finals. Worst case scenario is the Celts can't get an Embiid stopper and end up with TT, Theis, and RWill for the playoffs. Those 3 Centers are good enough to handle the likes of Sabonis, Adebayo, and Brook Lopez. Pacers, Bucks, and Heat are all potential opponents of the Celts in the first two rounds of the playoffs. Brook Lopez was held to 7 points and 3 rebounds when the Celts beat the Bucks in the first game of the season. Lopez always scored in double figures against the Celts last season. The upgrade at Center is not very significant, but it's better than what the Celts had last season. If you can’t get passed the first 2 rounds of the playoffs, it’s not theis’ fault. You have the 2 best players on the floor
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Post by fierce on Jan 28, 2021 12:23:14 GMT -5
Theis makes the same mistakes over and over again and in general it's lack of defensive discipline. That's why he's foul prone and that's the opinion of the refs against him. They know it! Whether it's a good opponent or a mediocre opponent he lacks defensive discipline consistently. Over committing. Reaching in. Swiping down. Allowing continuation. Jumping on top of players. All that can be described in one word, overcompensating. Theis played poorly in this game because he was facing Aldridge. When Theis came off the bench or was more of a PF in a 2-big lineup, Theis was playing well.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 28, 2021 12:25:44 GMT -5
Whatever happened to realizing you effed up and wrapping your arms around a guy?
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Post by fierce on Jan 28, 2021 12:26:12 GMT -5
The good news is the Gordon Hayward sign and trade to Charlotte is not complete until the TPE is used.
I'm sure ky and hedley would be so happy if the Celts end up getting Harrison Barnes with the TPE.
The trade would look like this:
Hornets get - Hayward and 2nd round picks
Celtics get - Harrison Barnes and the ability to sign Tristan Thompson
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Post by cole on Jan 28, 2021 12:29:57 GMT -5
We HAVE to move kemba into the microwave position. His size makes him a defensive liability, so he has to be scoring a lot or why have him on the court. If the J's are in there looking for shots, why have kemba out there. Better to rest both J's at once, put out 4 defenders and Kemba.
The nets did that. KD and KI sit down and it's harden time 100%
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 28, 2021 12:31:15 GMT -5
Theis got in early foul trouble, and was largely ineffective in that game. I'm sure LA didn't score all of his points against Theis. In addition, I would say DeRozan and Johnson were just as troublesome as LA. Theis probably didn't come them Majority of the points of LA cam against Theis because both of them were starters. TT came off the bench and he was facing Poeltl. It was only in the 8:09 of the 3rd qtr. that TT started defending LA. And Theis always gets in foul trouble, that's nothing new. The problem with Theis at Center is he's small for a Center. That's why he overcompensates and ends up fouling a lot. When Brad used the 2-big lineup and Theis was more of a PF, Theis was scoring a lot of points. Theis is just not a true Center. Let me get this straight. In order to try to "win" an argument, you are saying that LaMarcus Aldridge, who played 28 mins, scored most of his 20 points against Theis, who only played 12 minutes?? WOW
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Post by fierce on Jan 28, 2021 12:34:27 GMT -5
We HAVE to move kemba into the microwave position. His size makes him a defensive liability, so he has to be scoring a lot or why have him on the court. If the J's are in there looking for shots, why have kemba out there. Better to rest both J's at once, put out 4 defenders and Kemba. The nets did that. KD and KI sit down and it's harden time 100% I agree. Opposing teams have been attacking Kemba and exploiting Kemba's size. It's still early but I think Ainge should evaluate and decide if Kemba being a negative on defense outweighs the scoring that he provides. Only reason why I'm hesitant about trading Kemba during the season is it might disrupt team chemistry. But if Ainge is willing to trade Kemba, Celts will have the ability to absorb contracts that can reach as high as 60m. Kemba's 34m and the TPE will give the Celts lots of options.
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Post by fierce on Jan 28, 2021 12:41:15 GMT -5
Majority of the points of LA cam against Theis because both of them were starters. TT came off the bench and he was facing Poeltl. It was only in the 8:09 of the 3rd qtr. that TT started defending LA. And Theis always gets in foul trouble, that's nothing new. The problem with Theis at Center is he's small for a Center. That's why he overcompensates and ends up fouling a lot. When Brad used the 2-big lineup and Theis was more of a PF, Theis was scoring a lot of points. Theis is just not a true Center. Let me get this straight. In order to try to "win" an argument, you are saying that LaMarcus Aldridge, who played 28 mins, scored most of his 20 points against Theis, who only played 12 minutes?? WOW Aldridge scored 15 points against Theis. The other 5 points of Aldridge was against TT. You can check if you want. Here's the link: www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401267440
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 28, 2021 12:45:59 GMT -5
Theis makes the same mistakes over and over again and in general it's lack of defensive discipline. That's why he's foul prone and that's the opinion of the refs against him. They know it! Whether it's a good opponent or a mediocre opponent he lacks defensive discipline consistently. Over committing. Reaching in. Swiping down. Allowing continuation. Jumping on top of players. All that can be described in one word, overcompensating. Theis played poorly in this game because he was facing Aldridge. When Theis came off the bench or was more of a PF in a 2-big lineup, Theis was playing well. That's why he should be starting at power forward and Smart coming off the bench!
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 28, 2021 12:46:11 GMT -5
TPE favotites:
1. Ball & Redick = 24 mil
2. Aaron Gordon & Nemanja Bjelica = 26 mil
3. Oladipo & Clemons = 23 mil
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