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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2016 13:56:36 GMT -5
If we trade the pick, please let it be for Okafor. Noel is no more then a role player. Danny's got to be smarter then wanting Noel over Okafor!! You know we are a defensive minded team and Noel would excel at the alley-oop pass for offense as well as put-backs. I'd prefer Noel over Middleton for sure but would defer to DA/BS on the Okafor/Noel decision.
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Post by croc on Jun 21, 2016 14:27:10 GMT -5
Noel plays 30 minutes a game the same as Okafor is much more of a defensive player...and even rim defender.
In an expanded deal would anyone consider Embiid?
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jun 21, 2016 15:10:21 GMT -5
+1. To me, Okafor's way better than Noel. Noel's a 6'10 center that averages 11 and 7, shoots below 60% from the FT line (a 'liability center') and only blocks 1.5 shots per game.
I'd rather keep the pick than to trade for Noel. Hopefully this was mis-reported? I mean, why would we go through the trouble of making these massive offers for Okafor..just to change our mind the minute he becomes available???
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2016 15:22:34 GMT -5
Noel plays 30 minutes a game the same as Okafor is much more of a defensive player...and even rim defender. In an expanded deal would anyone consider Embiid? Embiid is off the table ... Sixers will not part with him.
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2016 15:25:45 GMT -5
+1. To me, Okafor's way better than Noel. Noel's a 6'10 center that averages 11 and 7, shoots below 60% from the FT line (a 'liability center') and only blocks 1.5 shots per game.
I'd rather keep the pick than to trade for Noel. Hopefully this was mis-reported? I mean, why would we go through the trouble of making these massive offers for Okafor..just to change our mind the minute he becomes available???
Don't forget that Philly has no PG to get Noel easy buckets. Noel is said to be a rim protector in the mold of Russell ... very athletic. If the Sixers offered a wing to go with the short contract of Noel it would be worth the #3 IMO.
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Post by croc on Jun 21, 2016 15:30:34 GMT -5
Sometimes the sexiest choice is not the right choice. Philly is balking at Noel, and Boston seems to prefer Noel.
Okafor will score a lot of points, but will he win a lot of games?
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2016 15:49:59 GMT -5
Sometimes the sexiest choice is not the right choice. Philly is balking at Noel, and Boston seems to prefer Noel. Okafor will score a lot of points, but will he win a lot of games? Seems to me that the same people that complained about Monroe's defensive deficiencies (despite his offensive #'s) will be saying the same thing about Okafor ... better go with the rim protector!
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Post by croc on Jun 21, 2016 15:58:49 GMT -5
In a sportsflash 98.5 is saying it would have to be #3 plus for either Okakor or Noel. Next sentence the C'shave reached out to Milwaukee for Middleton. Danny is doing what he should do, explore every avenue. If Philly really wants Dunn, it's in DA's court.
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2016 16:13:42 GMT -5
In a sportsflash 98.5 is saying it would have to be #3 plus for either Okakor or Noel. Next sentence the C'shave reached out to Milwaukee for Middleton. Danny is doing what he should do, explore every avenue. If Philly really wants Dunn, it's in DA's court. They are saying Middleton & Monroe for #3 and contract/s ... not sure how we match $30MM with Amir and others though...
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 21, 2016 16:25:52 GMT -5
In a sportsflash 98.5 is saying it would have to be #3 plus for either Okakor or Noel. Next sentence the C'shave reached out to Milwaukee for Middleton. Danny is doing what he should do, explore every avenue. If Philly really wants Dunn, it's in DA's court. They are saying Middleton & Monroe for #3 and contract/s ... not sure how we match $30MM with Amir and others though... wow...not sure I'd even WANT Monroe , especially at $17M next season.
he and Middleton have over $32M in salarys, so If they are talking about matching those salary's we'd be looking at Amir. Bradley to start...FORGET THAT!!
I have a hard time believing Danny wants Monroe myself.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2016 16:29:39 GMT -5
Johnson, Bradley, Jerebko, Young and Oly......5 for 2, they would cut Johnson and Jerebko. We would still need a C or PF who can block shots if we play Monroe at the 4!
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2016 16:29:59 GMT -5
They are saying Middleton & Monroe for #3 and contract/s ... not sure how we match $30MM with Amir and others though... wow...not sure I'd even WANT Monroe , especially at $17M next season.
he and Middleton have over $32M in salarys, so If they are talking about matching those salary's we'd be looking at Amir. Bradley to start...FORGET THAT!!
I have a hard time believing Danny wants Monroe myself.
that's what they just said on Felger & Mazz. My question is, if you don't like Monroe how can you like Okafor? Same player offensively & defensively and Okafor will cost you just as much as Monroe in a few years ....
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2016 16:31:49 GMT -5
I also do not really want Monroe - just trying to make the trade work. I love Middleton.....but not for #3
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2016 16:31:49 GMT -5
Johnson, Bradley, Jerebko, Young and Oly......5 for 2, they would cut Johnson and Jerebko. We would still need a C or PF who can block shots if we play Monroe at the 4! Don't you think we'd play Oly & Monroe at center unless we keep Zeller or get another FA center that doesn't cost $15MM like Pachulia?
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2016 16:33:18 GMT -5
Johnson, Bradley, Jerebko, Young and Oly......5 for 2, they would cut Johnson and Jerebko. We would still need a C or PF who can block shots if we play Monroe at the 4! Don't you think we'd play Oly & Monroe at center unless we keep Zeller or get another FA center that doesn't cost $15MM like Pachulia? Well, I had Oly as part of the trade, and my last sentence was IF we play Monroe at the 4. But, I don't really want Monroe, just being in the conversation here.
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Post by croc on Jun 21, 2016 16:34:12 GMT -5
I have to believe it's more posturing than anything else.
They probably can do way better with Noel or Okafor, and a high second tier FA than both M & M. Middleton alone is worthy of consideration.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2016 16:39:27 GMT -5
As many of us have stated....(mostly me, lol), #3 for Noel OR #3 and Smart for Okafor and Saric.
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2016 16:55:08 GMT -5
Johnson, Bradley, Jerebko, Young and Oly......5 for 2, they would cut Johnson and Jerebko. We would still need a C or PF who can block shots if we play Monroe at the 4! CelticsLife proposes this; #3, Amir Johnson, KO, Jerebko, #16 and 23. For Monroe and Middleton and #10 but you are right, the #'s don't work and the best I could do w/o including Bradley was substituting Zeller & Sully for AB if that is even doable. Then the Bucks could refuse to match any offers above the QO for both Zeller and Sully, waive Amir, Young and Jerebko and effectively create cap space and new trade exceptions for the two TE's they have now that could be used for their side of the transaction.
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jun 21, 2016 16:59:53 GMT -5
NONE of these reports make any sense.
Admin's right, how can you consider Monroe while not being interested in Okafor?
And while we sort through all of these false tweets, Philly fans are psyched- they believe they're going to keep Embiid and Okafor, while getting Simmons and a stud guard prospect.
Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I'm not buying the Noel hype. WAY too many credible sources have been reporting DA's affinity toward Okafor ever since last year's draft. Middleton and Monroe make sense IF DA is also targeting MIL's 10th pick. Perhaps Skal Labissiere blew little Austin's socks off? Maybe DA wants to package #3 (plus contracts and more picks) for Middleton and #10?
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2016 17:13:50 GMT -5
NONE of these reports make any sense. Admin's right, how can you consider Monroe while not being interested in Okafor?And while we sort through all of these false tweets, Philly fans are psyched- they believe they're going to keep Embiid and Okafor, while getting Simmons and a stud guard prospect. Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I'm not buying the Noel hype. WAY too many credible sources have been reporting DA's affinity toward Okafor ever since last year's draft. Middleton and Monroe make sense IF DA is also targeting MIL's 10th pick. Perhaps Skal Labissiere blew little Austin's socks off? Maybe DA wants to package #3 (plus contracts and more picks) for Middleton and #10? actually I said, how can you not like Monroe but like Okafor when both are pretty much the same offensive weapons each lacking in defensive prowess. The reason there's been more Okafor talk than Noel is because the Sixers initially wanted to keep Noel and just recently have considered an either/or scenario to get something done. Most (that I've read) think Noel is a better fit for what the C's do.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2016 17:28:05 GMT -5
Johnson, Bradley, Jerebko, Young and Oly......5 for 2, they would cut Johnson and Jerebko. We would still need a C or PF who can block shots if we play Monroe at the 4! CelticsLife proposes this; #3, Amir Johnson, KO, Jerebko, #16 and 23. For Monroe and Middleton and #10 but you are right, the #'s don't work and the best I could do w/o including Bradley was substituting Zeller & Sully for AB if that is even doable. Then the Bucks could refuse to match any offers above the QO for both Zeller and Sully, waive Amir, Young and Jerebko and effectively create cap space and new trade exceptions for the two TE's they have now that could be used for their side of the transaction. I hate that trade.............and we can't trade Sully or Zeller....I would like either Noel or Okafor rather than Monroe.
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Post by croc on Jun 21, 2016 17:33:02 GMT -5
NONE of these reports make any sense. Admin's right, how can you consider Monroe while not being interested in Okafor?And while we sort through all of these false tweets, Philly fans are psyched- they believe they're going to keep Embiid and Okafor, while getting Simmons and a stud guard prospect. Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I'm not buying the Noel hype. WAY too many credible sources have been reporting DA's affinity toward Okafor ever since last year's draft. Middleton and Monroe make sense IF DA is also targeting MIL's 10th pick. Perhaps Skal Labissiere blew little Austin's socks off? Maybe DA wants to package #3 (plus contracts and more picks) for Middleton and #10? actually I said, how can you not like Monroe but like Okafor when both are pretty much the same offensive weapons each lacking in defensive prowess. The reason there's been more Okafor talk than Noel is because the Sixers initially wanted to keep Noel and just recently have considered an either/or scenario to get something done. Most (that I've read) think Noel is a better fit for what the C's do. Agreed Noel is the better fit. The only way Okafor makes sense is if the C's obtain a rim defender FA -in his prime - to go with him. DA is building a strong young core. Stay with the plan.
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2016 17:36:20 GMT -5
CelticsLife proposes this; #3, Amir Johnson, KO, Jerebko, #16 and 23. For Monroe and Middleton and #10 but you are right, the #'s don't work and the best I could do w/o including Bradley was substituting Zeller & Sully for AB if that is even doable. Then the Bucks could refuse to match any offers above the QO for both Zeller and Sully, waive Amir, Young and Jerebko and effectively create cap space and new trade exceptions for the two TE's they have now that could be used for their side of the transaction. I hate that trade.............and we can't trade Sully or Zeller....I would like either Noel or Okafor rather than Monroe. I think I already know how you feel about Monroe but how is Okafor any different? And putting Monroe aside, does Middleton do anything for you? I'd prefer Noel over both Middleton & Okafor then go get a shooter like Valentine with #16 unless a vet can be traded for or signed as a FA.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2016 20:30:47 GMT -5
I hate that trade.............and we can't trade Sully or Zeller....I would like either Noel or Okafor rather than Monroe. I think I already know how you feel about Monroe but how is Okafor any different? And putting Monroe aside, does Middleton do anything for you? I'd prefer Noel over both Middleton & Okafor then go get a shooter like Valentine with #16 unless a vet can be traded for or signed as a FA. Okafor is younger, cheaper, and has more upside, imo. I don't want Monroe at that price tag, and I think the fact Danny didn't even entertain signing him last year speaks volumes. I like Middleton a lot, but not for the #3 pick.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 6:13:36 GMT -5
For once i tend to agree with Hedley
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