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Post by drewski6 on Mar 6, 2024 11:01:33 GMT -5
tough crowd against a team that loses once a month The Celtic team that showed up in the 4Q against the short-handed Cavs is very much the team I had winning 41 games this season.
Soft.... overconfident.... lacking mental toughness and effective leadership (on and off the court) in the crunch.
It wasn't that they lost.... it is how they lost.... and what that sez about how they will fare in the POs.
Will they be more like the 41 win team (I predicted) in the post season against quality opposition?
Stay tuned.....
Pud
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 6, 2024 11:03:05 GMT -5
Looks like to a few last night was the 13th time they have been proven correct that we are doomed. And thats all that matters. Pissing contests.
The 48 wins? Those dont matter because (checks notes) we won by too much?
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Post by kyceltic on Mar 6, 2024 11:03:40 GMT -5
Wonder how Nugget fans are acting today? They lost to a Suns team, without Booker!
Every Dog has its day dog, and last night sure wasn't ours! Bring on the Nuggets!
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 6, 2024 11:10:50 GMT -5
Losing on the road like we did is disappointing. I'm not upset that we lost the game. I'm upset with HOW WE LOSS THE GAME! Defensively, we let a guy who averages 5 PPG score 20 4th-quarter points while we scored A TOTAL OF 17 as a team. Offensively, we allowed Tatum to revert to ISO hero-ball for a good part of the 4th quarter. He went 1 for 8 in the 4th quarter, all while JB DID NOT ATTEMPT A SHOT! Coaching. How do you NOT call a timeout with the final possession and 12 seconds left? How many times do you continue to "leave it up to the players" when the result is a negative outcome? Time and time again it's obvious the players don't know what to do. For Tatum to go ISO and then attack so late in the clock AND TAKE such a low-percentage shot is evidence that "letting the players figure it out" just might not be the best approach. Unless we absolutely destroy a team, we struggle down the stretch. We lack that mental toughness when faced with adversity. We sure better clean it up by tomorrow or DEN is going to embarrass us. Well Pete this team basically coaches themselves on the court all our veterans . As much as i disliked Stevens as a coach he was head and shoulders above Mazz. Stevens would have called a timeout and had his clipboard in his hand.. Why in hell did he pick Mazz is beyond my wildest dreams. I would hope he's the lowest paid coach in the NBA. He's more concerned about promoting Tatum as an MVP than coaching what is probably the best starting five in the NBA. It will be a blessing if we lose and Mazz can go back to Fairmount St or where ever he was coaching. He has no future in the NBA and i'm sure he's in Steven's office today getting an earfull. We have a bad habit of losing to good teams that arn't as good as us. 80% of the posters here agree only a few can't see this. |
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 6, 2024 11:13:44 GMT -5
So one bad quarter over the last month overshadows 45 good ones? Tough crowd indeed. That being said, there were things that can be and should be learned. Tough crowd? Come on Drew No stupid coach who does nothing and is predictable is becoming more and more evident.. |
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Post by kyceltic on Mar 6, 2024 11:17:43 GMT -5
Like I've said before, nothing brings them out like a loss!! Win 20 in a row, crickets,have 1 bad 8 minute stretch, and the negative ninnies are out like vultures circling their prey!!
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 6, 2024 11:20:13 GMT -5
Mazzulla breaks down final possession vs. Cavaliers: ‘I called a timeout'
No you didn't call a timeout. If you attempted why wait till the 4.6 mark.
This concludes either one of two things. He's lying or he's an idiot.
Even the sports writers picked up on this.
Celtics head coach Joe Mazzulla spoke to the media following the loss to add another interesting element -- he claimed he signaled for a timeout with 4.6 seconds left on the clock, before Tatum's shot attempt.
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Post by puddin on Mar 6, 2024 11:25:58 GMT -5
The Celtic team that showed up in the 4Q against the short-handed Cavs is very much the team I had winning 41 games this season.
Soft.... overconfident.... lacking mental toughness and effective leadership (on and off the court) in the crunch.
It wasn't that they lost.... it is how they lost.... and what that sez about how they will fare in the POs.
Will they be more like the 41 win team (I predicted) in the post season against quality opposition?
Stay tuned.....
Pud
One bad quarter after a string of impressive victories and you think this validates your preseason take? Calling the 4Q simply "bad" you are being waaaaaaay too diplomatic.
The wheels came off, pure and simple! (Didn't anyone think to torque the lug nuts along the way?)
I'm not impressed with regular season wins/losses and I don't feel particularly validated by last night's fiasco.
I'm hard to impress, perhaps too hard, but this team has yet to impress me with its maturity, leadership, coaching and toughness.
Wins have come too often and too easily. Perhaps the players have been reading their press clippings with a bit too much gusto!
The season hinges 100% on PO results alone and that smoke will soon clear.
Until then, I'm not changing or conceding my story line.
If I misjudged... it's that Porgy is a helluva lot better than I ever expected.... the Jays not so much!
Pud
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 6, 2024 11:27:47 GMT -5
So one bad quarter over the last month overshadows 45 good ones? Tough crowd indeed. That being said, there were things that can be and should be learned. Tough crowd? Come on Drew No stupid coach who does nothing and is predictable is becoming more and more evident.. Mazz had a bad game. Checking in Kornet was absurd. Where was Tillman? |
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 6, 2024 11:30:18 GMT -5
One bad quarter after a string of impressive victories and you think this validates your preseason take? Calling the 4Q simply "bad" you are being waaaaaaay too diplomatic.
The wheels came off, pure and simple! (Didn't anyone think to torque the lug nuts along the way?)
I'm not impressed with regular season wins/losses and I don't feel particularly validated by last night's fiasco.
I'm hard to impress, perhaps too hard, but this team has yet to impress me with its maturity, leadership, coaching and toughness.
Wins have come too often and too easily. Perhaps the players have been reading their press clippings with a bit too much gusto!
The season hinges 100% on PO results alone and that smoke will soon clear.
Until then, I'm not changing or conceding my story line.
If I misjudged... it's that Porgy is a helluva lot better than I ever expected.... the Jays not so much!
Pud
You should listen to Charles Barkley. Teams that are mentally strong dont win a ton of close games. Because they play consistent and end up winning by more. If too many wins are too easy, that shows maturity. Of course nobody plays their best 48 mins every game. But if we're winning too many games by too much for you to be impressed, that shows we are mostly playing above the other teams consistently. Last night was bad, no doubt. ANd you make some other good points. |
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 6, 2024 11:37:33 GMT -5
Tough crowd? Come on Drew No stupid coach who does nothing and is predictable is becoming more and more evident.. Mazz had a bad game. Checking in Kornet was absurd. Where was Tillman? Thanks . Yes and Yes Horford looked beat the last few minutes also they dunked all over him... I have no clue why Tillman didn't get any minutes. I just wish Mazz would decline the press conferences and say maybe... I made several mistakes and leave at go directly to Steven's office to get his ass chewing we all know he got. |
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 6, 2024 11:38:33 GMT -5
One bad quarter after a string of impressive victories and you think this validates your preseason take? Calling the 4Q simply "bad" you are being waaaaaaay too diplomatic.
The wheels came off, pure and simple! (Didn't anyone think to torque the lug nuts along the way?)
I'm not impressed with regular season wins/losses and I don't feel particularly validated by last night's fiasco.
I'm hard to impress, perhaps too hard, but this team has yet to impress me with its maturity, leadership, coaching and toughness.
Wins have come too often and too easily. Perhaps the players have been reading their press clippings with a bit too much gusto!
The season hinges 100% on PO results alone and that smoke will soon clear.
Until then, I'm not changing or conceding my story line.
If I misjudged... it's that Porgy is a helluva lot better than I ever expected.... the Jays not so much!
Pud
Another thing, if you're looking at win/loss in close games, you are deciding your opinion by very few possessions. Really just a couple for every close game. And there havent been too many of them. Which is a small sample. And even lasts nights, which drew you out .... That ending was very weird. With the foul, put-back, foul reversal. That extremely odd ending is why you are thinking that this team looks like the 41 win team you predicted? Dismiss our wins because not close enough. And focus on the close ones that are decided by 1 or 2 possessions at the very end of one (or very few) games, and if we lose those coinflip games its "uh oh, I was right to doubt". Lets also ignore that the possession that you are putting so much on was so freaking weird and flukey. Granted we had a bad quarter, but the entire body of work should matter. And youre too focused on tiny sample sizes that are influenced by dumb luck. |
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Post by cole on Mar 6, 2024 11:41:07 GMT -5
To me we lost the game in the first quarter. We jump out to early leads and then relax. Cleveland used it to gain momentum we couldn't stop. It didn't help that we were being grabbed a lot and no calls. Cleveland clearly noticed they could.
And lets face it dean wade had the game of a lifetime. What did he hit like 6 in a row?
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 6, 2024 11:41:08 GMT -5
Mazz had a bad game. Checking in Kornet was absurd. Where was Tillman? Thanks . Yes and Yes Horford looked beat the last few minutes also they dunked all over him... I have no clue why Tillman didn't get any minutes. I just wish Mazz would decline the press conferences and say maybe... I made several mistakes and leave at go directly to Steven's office to get his ass chewing we all know he got. Dont like when coaches deflect. Agreed he made mistakes. |
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 6, 2024 11:42:36 GMT -5
To me we lost the game in the first quarter. We jump out to early leads and then relax. Cleveland used it to gain momentum we couldn't stop. It didn't help that we were being grabbed a lot an no calls. And lets face it dean wade had the game of a lifetime. What did he hit like 6 in a row? Leave 90% of NBA players open and they'll have a good chance at doing that. Giving up open 3's is a great way to blow a lead. We lost this game with our 4th qrtr perimeter defense (my opinion). |
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Post by kyceltic on Mar 6, 2024 11:49:47 GMT -5
To me we lost the game in the first quarter. We jump out to early leads and then relax. Cleveland used it to gain momentum we couldn't stop. It didn't help that we were being grabbed a lot and no calls. Cleveland clearly noticed they could. And lets face it dean wade had the game of a lifetime. What did he hit like 6 in a row? Seemed more like 20 in a row! |
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Post by kyceltic on Mar 6, 2024 11:55:33 GMT -5
At the 8:54 mark of the 4th quarter, I'd already lit the victory cigar, was calling for Mazz to be named coach of the year, and Tatum runaway league MVP! And then Dean Wade happened!!
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 6, 2024 11:59:51 GMT -5
To me we lost the game in the first quarter. We jump out to early leads and then relax. Cleveland used it to gain momentum we couldn't stop. It didn't help that we were being grabbed a lot an no calls. And lets face it dean wade had the game of a lifetime. What did he hit like 6 in a row? Leave 90% of NBA players open and they'll have a good chance at doing that. Giving up open 3's is a great way to blow a lead. We lost this game with our 4th qrtr perimeter defense (my opinion). Bringing in Tillman for Horford the last 5 minutes might have been a good move. No i'm not blaming Horford per say but he looked slow. One problem . Tillman hasn't played enough yet to get minutes in crunch time. I'm beginning to believe he won't be all he can be come playoff time because of lack of minutes. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 6, 2024 12:09:09 GMT -5
Disagree with a few things here:
White had an off night. The ball should not have gone through him at the end.
Kornet did "ok". We don't know yet if Tillman is any better. When Al or Zinger have to rest, we'll find out.
My question is - where has Brisett been? He gives us energy and can at least defend.
Also don't think anyone is saying to wipe out 44 quarters of good ball for one quarter of bad, at least I'm not. I think the point is they made the game close, and we need to finish people off.
Also disagree luck had anything to do with the loss, dumb or otherwise. They took bad shots, they stopped defending, and couldn't locate the guy playing out of his mind. Luck had nothing to do with it.
I DO agree Mazz should have called timeout at the end......much sooner than he claimed he did.
Also agree we took them too lightly, as I said previously.
We are FANS, and as such we have the obligation to criticize our team and coaches when they don't execute. We have championship aspirations, and in close games, right now, today, I'm on the Petey bandwagon, that we don't win the close ones. Still time to change my mind, though.
Bring on the Nugs.
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 6, 2024 12:20:48 GMT -5
Disagree with a few things here: White had an off night. The ball should not have gone through him at the end. Kornet did "ok". We don't know yet if Tillman is any better. When Al or Zinger have to rest, we'll find out. My question is - where has Brisett been? He gives us energy and can at least defend. Also don't think anyone is saying to wipe out 44 quarters of good ball for one quarter of bad, at least I'm not. I think the point is they made the game close, and we need to finish people off. Also disagree luck had anything to do with the loss, dumb or otherwise. They took bad shots, they stopped defending, and couldn't locate the guy playing out of his mind. Luck had nothing to do with it. I DO agree Mazz should have called timeout at the end......much sooner than he claimed he did. Also agree we took them too lightly, as I said previously. We are FANS, and as such we have the obligation to criticize our team and coaches when they don't execute. We have championship aspirations, and in close games, right now, today, I'm on the Petey bandwagon, that we don't win the close ones. Still time to change my mind, though. Bring on the Nugs. Brisett can defend and rebound i agree He looks like he's been dropped to the 10 th player. We don't know what Tillman can do because he came late and gets few if any minutes. Who said luck? Mazz? Pete's bandwagon includes myself Cole and Pud KDP i think and now you. I'm sure a few more That seems highly unlikely we are all wrong. |
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Post by kyceltic on Mar 6, 2024 12:21:38 GMT -5
Disagree with a few things here: White had an off night. The ball should not have gone through him at the end. Kornet did "ok". We don't know yet if Tillman is any better. When Al or Zinger have to rest, we'll find out. My question is - where has Brisett been? He gives us energy and can at least defend. Also don't think anyone is saying to wipe out 44 quarters of good ball for one quarter of bad, at least I'm not. I think the point is they made the game close, and we need to finish people off. Also disagree luck had anything to do with the loss, dumb or otherwise. They took bad shots, they stopped defending, and couldn't locate the guy playing out of his mind. Luck had nothing to do with it. I DO agree Mazz should have called timeout at the end......much sooner than he claimed he did. Also agree we took them too lightly, as I said previously. We are FANS, and as such we have the obligation to criticize our team and coaches when they don't execute. We have championship aspirations, and in close games, right now, today, I'm on the Petey bandwagon, that we don't win the close ones. Still time to change my mind, though. Bring on the Nugs. Agree about Brissett. |
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Post by Cabutan on Mar 6, 2024 12:24:27 GMT -5
Like I've said before, nothing brings them out like a loss!! Win 20 in a row, crickets,have 1 bad 8 minute stretch, and the negative ninnies are out like vultures circling their prey!! I think its more about breaking bad habits than just a loss. Winning is ok. Having a well oiled machine is what we all "ninnies" are looking for because we know is what will bring us success. A well oiled machine. Remember that. Without that, any win during the regular season means nothing. |
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Post by Cabutan on Mar 6, 2024 12:25:17 GMT -5
A lot of good points from both sides. A lot.
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 6, 2024 12:41:34 GMT -5
Disagree with a few things here: White had an off night. The ball should not have gone through him at the end. Kornet did "ok". We don't know yet if Tillman is any better. When Al or Zinger have to rest, we'll find out. My question is - where has Brisett been? He gives us energy and can at least defend. Also don't think anyone is saying to wipe out 44 quarters of good ball for one quarter of bad, at least I'm not. I think the point is they made the game close, and we need to finish people off. Also disagree luck had anything to do with the loss, dumb or otherwise. They took bad shots, they stopped defending, and couldn't locate the guy playing out of his mind. Luck had nothing to do with it. I DO agree Mazz should have called timeout at the end......much sooner than he claimed he did. Also agree we took them too lightly, as I said previously. We are FANS, and as such we have the obligation to criticize our team and coaches when they don't execute. We have championship aspirations, and in close games, right now, today, I'm on the Petey bandwagon, that we don't win the close ones. Still time to change my mind, though. Bring on the Nugs. We've won plenty of close ones. But I generally agree that when we win, its by a much larger margin than when we lose. Maybe its because we're like really good? A team that blows teams out usually (but wins a few close ones) and when they lose - its generally by a small margin where randomness plays a part - guys, this is a good thing. Just a bunch of nervous nellies , which is fine. |
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Post by kyceltic on Mar 6, 2024 12:44:37 GMT -5
A big happy birthday to Marcus Smart! Who's turning a verrrrry old 30 today! Have a BBQ sandwich on me Marcus!!
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