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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2024 13:15:38 GMT -5
Why? We can match any offer he gets (if we want to) w/ full Bird Rts.
Celtics could go as high as $7-9MM to retain him. In which case Kornet is out.
I'm thinking 1-2 VM ring chasers sign here and 1-2 draftees to replace Kornet, Svi (back to Europe as intended last season but w/ ring)
Why stick w/ JD Davison when you can draft KJ Simpson (another small PG out of CO) in round 2 if you feel the need for another PG (is Payton to be traded?)?
Peterson probably gets a non-guaranteed deal to make the team as the next Hauser.
Brissett is the ? for me ... w/ a ring but little playing time to advance his career, it wouldn't surprise me if he opts out.
Springer gets another yr to prove himself unless Brad gets a trade offer that improves the team at Wing ... same goes for Queta
To Summarize:
Gone: Kornet, Svi, Brissett & Davison
Remaining: Tillman, Peterson, Payton, Queta
Questionable: Springer
Additions: 1-2 vets via VM contracts (Drummond, Watford, Batum, etc) and 1-2 draftees (A Big if one drops to #30) and/or 2nd Rd (PF/Wing/C)
Might be too many. With everyone you are keeping, we have White, Jrue, Brown, Tatum, Porz, Horford, PP, Hauser, Tillman, Walsh, Peterson, Payton, Queta So thats 13 and I think only Peterson can get a 2 way. So assuming he gets 2 way, thats 12, with only 3 spots remaining. Maybe that second round PF/wing/C can get 2 way'd only, leaving 2 VM (you chose two centers) and a drafted big (you chose yet another Center). So on your 15 man roster you have: 4 guards: White, jrue, PP, Springer 4 wings: Brown, Tatum, Hauser, Walsh And 7 bigs: Porz, Al, Tillman,Tillman, Drummond, Watford, the drafted big at 30For 2 ways we have 2 more bigs: peterson and that second round pick (who might be another big). Springer and Walsh shouldnt be 1 injury away from the rotation. I think they'll need to pick and choose some of these bigs. My plan: trade pick 30 for 2 2024 seconds. Flip one of those seconds, a 2025 second and Springer for T. Craig ( wing). Draft Chompy Chomche with our first second round pick (2 way) and a PG (other 2 way with our later second). Sign Kris Dunn on minimum deal. Keep Tillman. Get a minimum big who can shoot. Keep Kornet and one more VM wing Guards: White, Jrue, Pritch, Dunn, pick 54 (2 way) Wings: Brown, Tatum, Hauser, T. Craig, VM wing, Walsh Bigs: Porz, Al, Tillman, Kornet, VM center who can shoot , chompy chomche (2 way)
I said 1-2 vets and offered a few names (Drummond, Watford, Batum) as options not to sign all THREE!
(you mentioned Tillman twice - I assume you meant to write Batum) so not 7 ... Porz, Al, Tillman, Queta, Batum & Chomche (2-way)
I see you boarded the Chomche train w/ me, Dee & DaCeltics!
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 24, 2024 13:21:52 GMT -5
That's what I read ... the assumption is multiple teams will offer MLE ($5.2M) and to lock him up it could take $7-9M
I think a lot of article writers havent fully grasped the direction the NBA has gone with the new CBA. The vast majority of the money is going to the top guys. In a few years, I think half the players in the league will be on min deals. I think bench guys are going to take a hit. I think if you arent an established very good bench player, you are looking at 5M for top end rotation role players and minimum contracts for everyone else. Im not sure Tillman will get an MLE deal. I can see 5.2M, and I can see us matching that. I can also see him not getting an MLE deal and having to settle with us for 4M or maybe even minimum. I think its very hard these days to get above the minimum. Your exactly right and i have gasped it. One question. Why did the players union agree to let only the top 10% rape the teams while the mid and bottom players starve to death? Seems like the majority of players are getting less pay. Is the NBA now the Walmart of professional sports and has followed corporate America in doming the middle and lower class? |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2024 13:45:54 GMT -5
Might be too many. With everyone you are keeping, we have White, Jrue, Brown, Tatum, Porz, Horford, PP, Hauser, Tillman, Walsh, Peterson, Payton, Queta So thats 13 and I think only Peterson can get a 2 way. So assuming he gets 2 way, thats 12, with only 3 spots remaining. Maybe that second round PF/wing/C can get 2 way'd only, leaving 2 VM (you chose two centers) and a drafted big (you chose yet another Center). So on your 15 man roster you have: 4 guards: White, jrue, PP, Springer 4 wings: Brown, Tatum, Hauser, Walsh And 7 bigs: Porz, Al, Tillman,Tillman, Drummond, Watford, the drafted big at 30For 2 ways we have 2 more bigs: peterson and that second round pick (who might be another big). Springer and Walsh shouldnt be 1 injury away from the rotation. I think they'll need to pick and choose some of these bigs. My plan: trade pick 30 for 2 2024 seconds. Flip one of those seconds, a 2025 second and Springer for T. Craig ( wing). Draft Chompy Chomche with our first second round pick (2 way) and a PG (other 2 way with our later second). Sign Kris Dunn on minimum deal. Keep Tillman. Get a minimum big who can shoot. Keep Kornet and one more VM wing Guards: White, Jrue, Pritch, Dunn, pick 54 (2 way) Wings: Brown, Tatum, Hauser, T. Craig, VM wing, Walsh Bigs: Porz, Al, Tillman, Kornet, VM center who can shoot , chompy chomche (2 way)
I said 1-2 vets and offered a few names (Drummond, Watford, Batum) as options not to sign all THREE!
(you mentioned Tillman twice - I assume you meant to write Batum) so not 7 ... Porz, Al, Tillman, Queta, Batum & Chomche (2-way)
I see you boarded the Chomche train w/ me, Dee & DaCeltics!
5 out of 15 is still a lot tho. But Tillman can play some PF and Batum ditto (if hes not more of a PF). So thats fine. I can live with this. Still think we need at least one guard and at least one wing though. |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2024 13:48:11 GMT -5
I think a lot of article writers havent fully grasped the direction the NBA has gone with the new CBA. The vast majority of the money is going to the top guys. In a few years, I think half the players in the league will be on min deals. I think bench guys are going to take a hit. I think if you arent an established very good bench player, you are looking at 5M for top end rotation role players and minimum contracts for everyone else. Im not sure Tillman will get an MLE deal. I can see 5.2M, and I can see us matching that. I can also see him not getting an MLE deal and having to settle with us for 4M or maybe even minimum. I think its very hard these days to get above the minimum. Your exactly right and i have gasped it. One question. Why did the players union agree to let only the top 10% rape the teams while the mid and bottom players starve to death? Seems like the majority of players are getting less pay. Is the NBA now the Walmart of professional sports and has followed corporate America in doming the middle and lower class? Yeah, its not a great look. The stars were not content to make 40M / yr , so now they make 50m+ .... Meanwhile you have a lot of players having no choice but to sign min deals. It does feel like a microcosm of squeezing out the middle class. |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2024 13:54:49 GMT -5
Might be too many. With everyone you are keeping, we have White, Jrue, Brown, Tatum, Porz, Horford, PP, Hauser, Tillman, Walsh, Peterson, Payton, Queta So thats 13 and I think only Peterson can get a 2 way. So assuming he gets 2 way, thats 12, with only 3 spots remaining. Maybe that second round PF/wing/C can get 2 way'd only, leaving 2 VM (you chose two centers) and a drafted big (you chose yet another Center). So on your 15 man roster you have: 4 guards: White, jrue, PP, Springer 4 wings: Brown, Tatum, Hauser, Walsh And 7 bigs: Porz, Al, Tillman,Tillman, Drummond, Watford, the drafted big at 30For 2 ways we have 2 more bigs: peterson and that second round pick (who might be another big). Springer and Walsh shouldnt be 1 injury away from the rotation. I think they'll need to pick and choose some of these bigs. My plan: trade pick 30 for 2 2024 seconds. Flip one of those seconds, a 2025 second and Springer for T. Craig ( wing). Draft Chompy Chomche with our first second round pick (2 way) and a PG (other 2 way with our later second). Sign Kris Dunn on minimum deal. Keep Tillman. Get a minimum big who can shoot. Keep Kornet and one more VM wing Guards: White, Jrue, Pritch, Dunn, pick 54 (2 way) Wings: Brown, Tatum, Hauser, T. Craig, VM wing, Walsh Bigs: Porz, Al, Tillman, Kornet, VM center who can shoot , chompy chomche (2 way)
I said 1-2 vets and offered a few names (Drummond, Watford, Batum) as options not to sign all THREE!
(you mentioned Tillman twice - I assume you meant to write Batum) so not 7 ... Porz, Al, Tillman, Queta, Batum & Chomche (2-way)
I see you boarded the Chomche train w/ me, Dee & DaCeltics!
But like you said in the other thread , what if : Ware or Holmes is obtainable in the first (and you cant 2 way a first). So then does Queta lose his spot if we go that route? Cuz youd still have Kp,Al, one (or both) of Tillman, Kornet, one of Holmes/Ware. Maybe if its Tillman and Ware you can fit a fifth big, but I think we go the VM route over Q. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2024 13:57:24 GMT -5
I said 1-2 vets and offered a few names (Drummond, Watford, Batum) as options not to sign all THREE!
(you mentioned Tillman twice - I assume you meant to write Batum) so not 7 ... Porz, Al, Tillman, Queta, Batum & Chomche (2-way)
I see you boarded the Chomche train w/ me, Dee & DaCeltics!
5 out of 15 is still a lot tho. But Tillman can play some PF and Batum ditto (if hes not more of a PF). So thats fine. I can live with this. Still think we need at least one guard and at least one wing though.
Naji Marshall or Yuta Watanabe can fill the wing spot cheaply ...
Do we need another PG w/ Payton and Springer or are you trading one or both?
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2024 14:05:40 GMT -5
I said 1-2 vets and offered a few names (Drummond, Watford, Batum) as options not to sign all THREE!
(you mentioned Tillman twice - I assume you meant to write Batum) so not 7 ... Porz, Al, Tillman, Queta, Batum & Chomche (2-way)
I see you boarded the Chomche train w/ me, Dee & DaCeltics!
But like you said in the other thread , what if : Ware or Holmes is obtainable in the first (and you cant 2 way a first). So then does Queta lose his spot if we go that route? Cuz youd still have Kp,Al, one (or both) of Tillman, Kornet, one of Holmes/Ware. Maybe if its Tillman and Ware you can fit a fifth big, but I think we go the VM route over Q.
Queta is a Team Option w/ a deadline of 6/29 to exercise so if we get that C w/ #30 we can pass on the option but he can't be traded until 7/8 which would be doable.
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2024 14:24:20 GMT -5
Peterson has room for another 2-way so he's restricted but most likely returns on another 2-way.
Why would we need another PG in this draft unless you think Davison is inferior to the 2nd rounders available?
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2024 14:36:17 GMT -5
Updated list of scheduled draftee workouts of rated players:
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 24, 2024 14:56:31 GMT -5
OK time for my 2 round mock draft WITH trades
first round
Pick Team Pos Player Hgt Wgt Age School
1 Atl SF Zaccharie Riacher 6-8 200 19 Int
2 Wash C Alexandre Sarr 7-0 225 19 Int
3 Mem SG Stephon Castle 6-6 215 19 Uconn
Traded from Houston -See Below
4 SA SG/PG Reed Sheppard 6-2 185 19 Kentucky
5 Utah SF Cody Williams 6-7 180 19 Colorado
Traded from Detroit -See Below
6 Char SF Matas Buzelis 6-9 210 19 Int
7 Port C Donovan Clingan 7-2 280 20 Uconn
8 Atl PF Tidjane Salaun 6-9 210 18 Int
Traded from SA- See Below
9 Tor PG Devin Carter 6-3 195 22 Providence
Traded from Memphis- See Below
10 Det PG Rob Dillingham 6-2 175 19 Kentucky
Traded from Utah- See Below
11 Chic SG Dalton Knecht 6-6 210 23 Tennessee
12 Okl SF Ron Holland 6-7 205 18 G-League
13 Sac C Kel'el Ware 7-0 230 20 Indiana
14 Port PF Trisan da Silva 6-8 220 23 Colorado
15 Phil SG Ja'Kobe Walter 6-5 200 19 Baylor
Miami trades #15 to Philly for #16 and #41 picks
16 Mia PG Jared McCain 6-2 205 20 Duke
17 LAL PG Nikola Topic 6-6 200 18 Int
18 Orl C Yves Missi 6-11 230 20 Baylor
19 Mem PG Carlton Carrington 6-5 195 18 Pittsburgh
Traded from Toronto- See Below
20 Clev PG Isaiah Collier 6-3 205 19 USC
21 NO C Zach Edey 7-4 300 22 Purdue
22 Phoe PG Tyler Kolek 6-2 195 23 Marquette
23 Mil C/PF Kyle Filipowski 6-11 230 20 Duke
24 Minn SF Kyshawn George 6-7 210 20 Miami
Traded from NY- See Below
25 NY PF/C DaRon Holmes 6-9 235 21 Dayton
26 Wash SG/SF Terrence Shannon 6-6 225 23 Illinois
27 Minn PF Pacome Dadiet 6-8 210 18 Int
28 Den PF Tyler Smith 6-9 225 19 G-League
29 Tor SF Jaylon Tyson 6-7 215 21 California
30 Bos SG Baylor Scheierman 6-6 200 23 Ceighton
Second round
Pick Team Player Hgt Wgt Age School
31 Hou SF Ryan Dunn 6-7 216 21 Virginia
Traded from Toronto- See Below
32 Utah SG Johnny Furphy 6-8 200 19 Kansas
33 Mil PG KJ Simpson 6-1 190 21 Colorado
34 NO SF Bobi Klintman 6-9 210 21 Int
Traded from Portland- See Below
35 SA PF Jonathan Mogbo 6-8 215 22 San Francisco
36 Ind SG Cam Christie 6-5 190 18 Minnesota
37 Minn PG Ajay Mitchell 6-4 195 21 UC-Santa Barbara
38 NY SF/SG Kevin McCullar 6-6 210 23 Kansas
39 Tor SF Nikola Durisic 6-6 209 20 Int
traded from Memphis- See Belpw
40 Port PG AJ Johnson 6-4 165 19
41 Mia SG Trentyn Flowers 6-8 180 19
Traded from Philly- see #15 above
42 Char PF/C PJ Hall 6-9 240 22 Clemson
43 Mia PF Enrique Freeman 6-7 206 23 Akron
44 Hou C Adem Bona 6-9 243 21 UCLA
45 Sac SF Dillon Jones 6-6 235 22 Weber St
46 LAC SF Justin Edwards 6-7 205 20 Kentucky
47 Orl SG Antonio Reeves 6-5 185 23 Kentucky
48 SA Forfeited
49 Phil PF Keshad Johnson 6-7 225 22 Arizona
50 Ind C Ulrich Chomche 6-9 240 18 Int
51 Ind SF Jaylen Wells 6-7 210 20 Washington St
52 Wash PG Juan Nunez 6-3 180 19 Int
53 GS SF Pelle Larsson 6-6 212 23 Arizona
54 Det C Oso Ighodaro 6-10 235 21 Marquette
55 Bos SF Melvin Ajinca 6-7 200 19 Int
56 LAL SG Bronny James 6-2 210 19 USC
57 Den PG Jamal Shead 6-0 200 21 Houston
58 Mem Forfeited
59 Phoe SF Harrison Ingram 6-6 235 21 N. Carolina
60 Dal SF Jalen Bridges 6-7 213 23 Baylor
The trades I projected for this Mock
Team Pos Player Hgt Age Salary Years Left
Atl PG Dejournte Murray 6-4 28 25.266 4
For
SA SG Malaki Branham 6-4 21 3.200 2
SA 2024 #8 pick
SA 2025- FRP (Atl)
SA 2027- FRP (Atl)
Team Pos Player Hgt Age Salary Years Left
Mem PG Marcus Smart 6-3 30 20.210 2 Hou
Mem 2024- #9 pick Tor
Mem 2024- #39 pick Tor
For
Hou C Jock Landale 6-10 29 8.000 3 Mem
Hou SF Jae'Sean Tate 6-4 29 7.565 1 Tor
Hou 2024- #3 pick Mem
For
Tor SG Bruce Brown 6-4 28 23.000 1 Hou
Tor 2024- #19 pick Mem
Tor 2024- #31 pick Hou
Team Pos Player Hgt Age Salary Years Left
NO SF Brandon Ingram 6-8 27 36.016 1 Det
NO 2027- FRP (Mil) Port
For
Det SF Evan Fournier 6-7 32 19.000 1 Port
Det 2027-2nd RP NO
Det 2029- 2nd ( Mil) NO
For
Port C Deandre Ayton 7-0 26 34.005 2 NO
Port 2024- #34 pick NO
Team Pos Player Hgt Age Salary Years Left
Minn C Karl-Anthony Towns 6-11 29 49.350 4
For
NY PF Julius Randle 6-8 30 28.939 2
NY SF Bojan Bogdanovic 6-8 35 19.032 1
NY 2024- #24 pick
NY 2025 FRP (Mil)
NY 2027 FRP
Team Pos Player Hgt Age Salary Years Left
Utah PF John Collins 6-9 27 26.580 2
Utah 2024- #10 pick
For
Det PG Marcus Sasser 6-2 24 2.755
Det 2024- #5 pick
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2024 15:31:05 GMT -5
5 out of 15 is still a lot tho. But Tillman can play some PF and Batum ditto (if hes not more of a PF). So thats fine. I can live with this. Still think we need at least one guard and at least one wing though.
Naji Marshall or Yuta Watanabe can fill the wing spot cheaply ...
Do we need another PG w/ Payton and Springer or are you trading one or both?
I saw this team fall on its face trying to play PF as SF and SF at SG and trying to cram as much size as possible. This year, we played 2 guards, 2 wings and a C to great success. We were historically dominant. I dont view it as needing a PG. I view it as needing guards (2 positions) and only 1 Center (one position) and 2 wings (2 positions). You should have more spare guards and wings because you are backing up more positions. I dont think Payton can back up both guard positions. I also dont want to start slotting forwards in at guard again. We can live with PF/C hybrids backing up some PF, but I think we need to stick with what worked. And thats smaller lineups. |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2024 15:39:39 GMT -5
Peterson has room for another 2-way so he's restricted but most likely returns on another 2-way. Why would we need another PG in this draft unless you think Davison is inferior to the 2nd rounders available? We cant have PP as the only player w significant NBA experience backing up 2 positions. PG: White/Pritch/JD SG: Jrue/Pritch/JD Its not nearly enough. Then on the wing side: Brown/Hauser/Walsh Tatum/Hauser/Walsh Again, only one backup with NBA experience, backing up 2 positions. But with Center: KP/Al/Tillman/either pick 30 or Queta/ a VM center/ oh and another pF and C on the 2 way. It just feels like we are worrying about our fifth Center, when we only have one guard and one wing on the bench (w experience) backing up 4 positions. Understood that with KP and Al, sure prob need to carry 2 more bodies there. But lets please not go back to the celtics of old where we are cramming as much size into the lineup as possible and turning the ball over left and right and getting destroyed with bad perimeter defense. If you can retain Tillman, I think C becomes our deepest position. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2024 15:53:28 GMT -5
Peterson has room for another 2-way so he's restricted but most likely returns on another 2-way. Why would we need another PG in this draft unless you think Davison is inferior to the 2nd rounders available? We cant have PP as the only player w significant NBA experience backing up 2 positions. PG: White/Pritch/JD SG: Jrue/Pritch/JD Its not nearly enough. Then on the wing side: Brown/Hauser/Walsh Tatum/Hauser/Walsh Again, only one backup with NBA experience, backing up 2 positions. But with Center: KP/Al/Tillman/either pick 30 or Queta/ a VM center/ oh and another pF and C on the 2 way. It just feels like we are worrying about our fifth Center, when we only have one guard and one wing on the bench (w experience) backing up 4 positions. Understood that with KP and Al, sure prob need to carry 2 more bodies there. But lets please not go back to the celtics of old where we are cramming as much size into the lineup as possible and turning the ball over left and right and getting destroyed with bad perimeter defense. If you can retain Tillman, I think C becomes our deepest position.
We got by with Payton this season with sporadic help from Springer & Davison didn't we?
Both may still be here and w/ more experience.
Isn't JT a PF? So Tillman, Walsh & Hauser along with the VM addition (Batum?) got that covered. Batum can even play backup to JB.
At wing I proposed a 2nd VM to Naji Marshall.
That's 2 VM guys and the 2 draftees can be developmental like discussed unless a very good Big falls to 30 then bye-bye Queta.
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2024 16:06:44 GMT -5
OK time for my 2 round mock draft WITH trades first round Pick Team Pos Player Hgt Wgt Age School 21 NO C Zach Edey 7-4 300 22 Purdue 22 Phoe PG Tyler Kolek 6-2 195 23 Marquette 23 Mil C/PF Kyle Filipowski 6-11 230 20 Duke 24 Minn SF Kyshawn George 6-7 210 20 Miami Traded from NY- See Below 25 NY PF/C DaRon Holmes 6-9 235 21 Dayton 26 Wash SG/SF Terrence Shannon 6-6 225 23 Illinois 27 Minn PF Pacome Dadiet 6-8 210 18 Int 28 Den PF Tyler Smith 6-9 225 19 G-League 29 Tor SF Jaylon Tyson 6-7 215 21 California 30 Bos SG Baylor Scheierman 6-6 200 23 Ceighton Second roundPick Team Player Hgt Wgt Age School 31 Hou SF Ryan Dunn 6-7 216 21 Virginia Traded from Toronto- See Below 32 Utah SG Johnny Furphy 6-8 200 19 Kansas 33 Mil PG KJ Simpson 6-1 190 21 Colorado 34 NO SF Bobi Klintman 6-9 210 21 Int Traded from Portland- See Below 35 SA PF Jonathan Mogbo 6-8 215 22 San Francisco 36 Ind SG Cam Christie 6-5 190 18 Minnesota 37 Minn PG Ajay Mitchell 6-4 195 21 UC-Santa Barbara 38 NY SF/SG Kevin McCullar 6-6 210 23 Kansas 39 Tor SF Nikola Durisic 6-6 209 20 Int traded from Memphis- See Belpw 40 Port PG AJ Johnson 6-4 165 19 41 Mia SG Trentyn Flowers 6-8 180 19 Traded from Philly- see #15 above 42 Char PF/C PJ Hall 6-9 240 22 Clemson 43 Mia PF Enrique Freeman 6-7 206 23 Akron 44 Hou C Adem Bona 6-9 243 21 UCLA 45 Sac SF Dillon Jones 6-6 235 22 Weber St 46 LAC SF Justin Edwards 6-7 205 20 Kentucky 47 Orl SG Antonio Reeves 6-5 185 23 Kentucky 48 SA Forfeited 49 Phil PF Keshad Johnson 6-7 225 22 Arizona 50 Ind C Ulrich Chomche 6-9 240 18 Int 51 Ind SF Jaylen Wells 6-7 210 20 Washington St 52 Wash PG Juan Nunez 6-3 180 19 Int 53 GS SF Pelle Larsson 6-6 212 23 Arizona 54 Det C Oso Ighodaro 6-10 235 21 Marquette55 Bos SF Melvin Ajinca 6-7 200 19 Int 56 LAL SG Bronny James 6-2 210 19 USC 57 Den PG Jamal Shead 6-0 200 21 Houston 58 Mem Forfeited 59 Phoe SF Harrison Ingram 6-6 235 21 N. Carolina 60 Dal SF Jalen Bridges 6-7 213 23 Baylor
Celtics pick is #54
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2024 16:47:24 GMT -5
... if the Celtics keep this selection, which players might they target in Round 1? Here are some final predictions from recent expert mock drafts.
Jonathan Givony and Jeremy Woo, ESPN: Pacome Dadiet, SG/SF, Ratiopharm Ulm (Germany) at No. 30; Ulrich Chomche, PF/C, NBA Academy Showcase (Africa) at No. 54
Sam Vecenie, The Athletic: Jaylon Tyson, Wing, California at No. 30; Jalen Bridges, Wing, Baylor at No. 54
Jeff Zilgitt and Scooby Axson: Baylor Scheierman, SG, Creighton
Zach Buckley, Bleacher Report: Kel'el Ware, C, Indiana at No. 24 (mock trade with Pelicans in which Boston gets No. 24 in exchange for No. 30 pick, No. 54 pick and a 2026 second-round pick)
John Fanta, FOX Sports: Tyler Smith, PF, G League Ignite
Krysten Peek, Yahoo! Sports: Baylor Scheierman, SG, Creighton
Adam Finkelstein, CBS Sports: Tyler Smith, PF, G League Ignite
NBADraft.net: Pacome Dadiet, SG/SF, Ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
Tankathon: Bobi Klintman, SF/PF, Cairns (Australian League)
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2024 16:52:36 GMT -5
We cant have PP as the only player w significant NBA experience backing up 2 positions. PG: White/Pritch/JD SG: Jrue/Pritch/JD Its not nearly enough. Then on the wing side: Brown/Hauser/Walsh Tatum/Hauser/Walsh Again, only one backup with NBA experience, backing up 2 positions. But with Center: KP/Al/Tillman/either pick 30 or Queta/ a VM center/ oh and another pF and C on the 2 way. It just feels like we are worrying about our fifth Center, when we only have one guard and one wing on the bench (w experience) backing up 4 positions. Understood that with KP and Al, sure prob need to carry 2 more bodies there. But lets please not go back to the celtics of old where we are cramming as much size into the lineup as possible and turning the ball over left and right and getting destroyed with bad perimeter defense. If you can retain Tillman, I think C becomes our deepest position.
We got by with Payton this season with sporadic help from Springer & Davison didn't we?
Both may still be here and w/ more experience.
Isn't JT a PF? So Tillman, Walsh & Hauser along with the VM addition (Batum?) got that covered. Batum can even play backup to JB.
At wing I proposed a 2nd VM to Naji Marshall.
That's 2 VM guys and the 2 draftees can be developmental like discussed unless a very good Big falls to 30 then bye-bye Queta.
Sure - but I dont want to get into a position where if lets say White or Jrue gets hurt. We're starting the healty one with PP and only have Springer or Davison as the other option. So Id like to bring someone in here. Other than that - good points. Tillman I think can be both your third PF and third C. But I dont love the idea of Tillman starting at PF. I dont want, lets say Jrue gets hurt and we're running White/Brown/Tatum/Tillman/Porz. Thats asking for Brown to dribble too much lol. I think theres room for a good solid backup G, a good solid backup W, and a good solid backup C. But I think we'll have to pick and choose, as I dont think we have the ability to create a lineup that deep. And really, we're set 1-9 (assuming Tillman comes back). But if we are keeping Tillman and Q and get Chomche on a 2 way and we have KP and Al...And its between a guard and another C, in that situation, I might choose the G as my preference. I dont want to get away from last year. Great perimeter defense, great perimeter attack, very switchable on D, mostly positionless, a lot of different guys who can handle the ball.... Im all in on the team we saw last year and want to be able to not change it up too much if we get an injury. And I think Coach Joe believes this too because we saw Tillman over Kornet and part of that is because Tillman (like KP/Al) can hit that open 3, so we can kind of keep doing what we would do if healthy. Which is kind of why Im not really interested in a big that cant hit an open 3. Because I dont want to have to be developing new offensive and defensive schemes when injuries inevitably happen. So I want JRues/Whites backups to be like Jrue / White. I want Kp/Als backups to be like KP / Al. Obviously a poor mans version cuz its not like these guys are easily replaceable. But I dont want to be in a position where we have to start someone who can be left completely open and now we have to completely change our offense. |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2024 16:54:37 GMT -5
... if the Celtics keep this selection, which players might they target in Round 1? Here are some final predictions from recent expert mock drafts.
Jonathan Givony and Jeremy Woo, ESPN: Pacome Dadiet, SG/SF, Ratiopharm Ulm (Germany) at No. 30; Ulrich Chomche, PF/C, NBA Academy Showcase (Africa) at No. 54
Sam Vecenie, The Athletic: Jaylon Tyson, Wing, California at No. 30; Jalen Bridges, Wing, Baylor at No. 54
Jeff Zilgitt and Scooby Axson: Baylor Scheierman, SG, Creighton
Zach Buckley, Bleacher Report: Kel'el Ware, C, Indiana at No. 24 (mock trade with Pelicans in which Boston gets No. 24 in exchange for No. 30 pick, No. 54 pick and a 2026 second-round pick)
John Fanta, FOX Sports: Tyler Smith, PF, G League Ignite
Krysten Peek, Yahoo! Sports: Baylor Scheierman, SG, Creighton
Adam Finkelstein, CBS Sports: Tyler Smith, PF, G League Ignite
NBADraft.net: Pacome Dadiet, SG/SF, Ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
Tankathon: Bobi Klintman, SF/PF, Cairns (Australian League)
Very interesting. It seems they are split between guys who are more projects/prospects with great upside but cant expect them to jump in year 1 (Dadiet / Chomche) and guys like Scheierman who maybe dont have the upside, but can play a little even immediately. |
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 24, 2024 16:58:36 GMT -5
OK time for my 2 round mock draft WITH trades first round Pick Team Pos Player Hgt Wgt Age School 21 NO C Zach Edey 7-4 300 22 Purdue 22 Phoe PG Tyler Kolek 6-2 195 23 Marquette 23 Mil C/PF Kyle Filipowski 6-11 230 20 Duke 24 Minn SF Kyshawn George 6-7 210 20 Miami Traded from NY- See Below 25 NY PF/C DaRon Holmes 6-9 235 21 Dayton 26 Wash SG/SF Terrence Shannon 6-6 225 23 Illinois 27 Minn PF Pacome Dadiet 6-8 210 18 Int 28 Den PF Tyler Smith 6-9 225 19 G-League 29 Tor SF Jaylon Tyson 6-7 215 21 California 30 Bos SG Baylor Scheierman 6-6 200 23 Ceighton Second roundPick Team Player Hgt Wgt Age School 31 Hou SF Ryan Dunn 6-7 216 21 Virginia Traded from Toronto- See Below 32 Utah SG Johnny Furphy 6-8 200 19 Kansas 33 Mil PG KJ Simpson 6-1 190 21 Colorado 34 NO SF Bobi Klintman 6-9 210 21 Int Traded from Portland- See Below 35 SA PF Jonathan Mogbo 6-8 215 22 San Francisco 36 Ind SG Cam Christie 6-5 190 18 Minnesota 37 Minn PG Ajay Mitchell 6-4 195 21 UC-Santa Barbara 38 NY SF/SG Kevin McCullar 6-6 210 23 Kansas 39 Tor SF Nikola Durisic 6-6 209 20 Int traded from Memphis- See Belpw 40 Port PG AJ Johnson 6-4 165 19 41 Mia SG Trentyn Flowers 6-8 180 19 Traded from Philly- see #15 above 42 Char PF/C PJ Hall 6-9 240 22 Clemson 43 Mia PF Enrique Freeman 6-7 206 23 Akron 44 Hou C Adem Bona 6-9 243 21 UCLA 45 Sac SF Dillon Jones 6-6 235 22 Weber St 46 LAC SF Justin Edwards 6-7 205 20 Kentucky 47 Orl SG Antonio Reeves 6-5 185 23 Kentucky 48 SA Forfeited 49 Phil PF Keshad Johnson 6-7 225 22 Arizona 50 Ind C Ulrich Chomche 6-9 240 18 Int 51 Ind SF Jaylen Wells 6-7 210 20 Washington St 52 Wash PG Juan Nunez 6-3 180 19 Int 53 GS SF Pelle Larsson 6-6 212 23 Arizona 54 Det C Oso Ighodaro 6-10 235 21 Marquette55 Bos SF Melvin Ajinca 6-7 200 19 Int 56 LAL SG Bronny James 6-2 210 19 USC 57 Den PG Jamal Shead 6-0 200 21 Houston 58 Mem Forfeited 59 Phoe SF Harrison Ingram 6-6 235 21 N. Carolina 60 Dal SF Jalen Bridges 6-7 213 23 Baylor
Celtics pick is #54
yes, I have the two forfeited picks listed is all. |
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 24, 2024 17:00:36 GMT -5
Oso still goes one pick before Boston's in my mock.
I thought my mock trades would send some over the edge here, guess not.
LOL
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Post by kyceltic on Jun 24, 2024 17:50:58 GMT -5
I think a lot of article writers havent fully grasped the direction the NBA has gone with the new CBA. The vast majority of the money is going to the top guys. In a few years, I think half the players in the league will be on min deals. I think bench guys are going to take a hit. I think if you arent an established very good bench player, you are looking at 5M for top end rotation role players and minimum contracts for everyone else. Im not sure Tillman will get an MLE deal. I can see 5.2M, and I can see us matching that. I can also see him not getting an MLE deal and having to settle with us for 4M or maybe even minimum. I think its very hard these days to get above the minimum. Your exactly right and i have gasped it. One question. Why did the players union agree to let only the top 10% rape the teams while the mid and bottom players starve to death? Seems like the majority of players are getting less pay. Is the NBA now the Walmart of professional sports and has followed corporate America in doming the middle and lower class? JB ain't no dummy, he voted it in, then signed the largest contract in NBA history!! |
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Post by kyceltic on Jun 24, 2024 17:55:30 GMT -5
I say there's a 90% chance we trade out of the 1st round! Brad hasn't kept a 1st round pick since he took over!
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2024 19:19:49 GMT -5
Oso still goes one pick before Boston's in my mock. I thought my mock trades would send some over the edge here, guess not. LOL
Surprised nobody fell to #30 even though you fixed it ... but not surprised if C's were to take Scheierman though as Drewski said, why not trade down since he's not that much in demand.
I'd be pissed if Brad sat on his hands and watched Chomche get picked just 4 spots before us w/o making a move!
I am shocked to see Ajinca over Bridges ... what do you see that I don't?
Bridges 1st then Ajinca scouting reports from the Ringer:
PLUSES
Dynamic shooter with clean mechanics who can run off screens or take 3s off the dribble.
Displays shot creation skills in some of his pull-up 3s, in-out dribbles on drives, and spin moves. Even if he never becomes a primary ball handler, he can at least thrive attacking closeouts and going coast-to-coast on the break.
High-IQ player without the ball. He relocates on the perimeter for 3s and looks for cutting opportunities at the rim. His intelligence applies to his passing as well, as he limits his mistakes.
Competitive defender with a long wingspan who can switch screens to defend multiple positions or fight through them and slide his feet to mirror opposing shot creators. He also disrupts passing lanes, especially when Baylor plays its zone defense, showcasing his ability to be an effective helper at the next level.
MINUSES
Inconsistent 3-point shooter until his senior year, though his near–80 percent clip from the line in his collegiate career bodes well for his potential.
He’s a low-usage player who hasn’t proved he can be a lead creator.
PLUSES
Knockdown spot-up 3-point shooter with a great feel for relocating. Can fire against heavy contests or pump-fake into a side-dribble 3.
Flashes isolation scoring potential with stepback 3s and pull-up midrange jumpers. He isn’t an amazing ball handler, but he’s capable enough to make a play off the bounce, giving him more upside than stationary specialists.
Good at-rim finisher off straight-line drives, transition attacks, and cuts. He can use either hand to score. He tends to make the right decisions off the dribble, showing a willingness to make a simple play rather than force things himself.
Hard-nosed defender who displays versatility, off-ball awareness, and a willingness to crash the glass.
MINUSES
Not a dynamic off-ball player who has shown the capability to drain 3s off screens and handoffs.
Lacks high-level experience running pick-and-rolls and serving as a playmaker.
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2024 19:24:21 GMT -5
Your exactly right and i have gasped it. One question. Why did the players union agree to let only the top 10% rape the teams while the mid and bottom players starve to death? Seems like the majority of players are getting less pay. Is the NBA now the Walmart of professional sports and has followed corporate America in doming the middle and lower class? JB ain't no dummy, he voted it in, then signed the largest contract in NBA history!!
LOL ... that's what I was thinking ... all the guys that are Player Reps are all top vets and voted to take care of their own!
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2024 19:42:25 GMT -5
kdp59's mock encourages me to trade down from #30 along w/ #54 to TBlazers for #34 & #40 ... #34 Mogbo and #40 Chomche
Then I swap a future 2nd with Pacers for #49 and pick Bridges
Now I have a future Wing/PF/C ...
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 24, 2024 19:43:47 GMT -5
Your exactly right and i have gasped it. One question. Why did the players union agree to let only the top 10% rape the teams while the mid and bottom players starve to death? Seems like the majority of players are getting less pay. Is the NBA now the Walmart of professional sports and has followed corporate America in doming the middle and lower class? JB ain't no dummy, he voted it in, then signed the largest contract in NBA history!! JB was just one of many players . CJ McCollum is President and i think every team has an rep. nbpa.com/leadership/. Whats interesting most of the team reps will never sign a max deal. The owners won as i see it just like corporations win over employees Silver seen to that and made 10 million last year and got and extension till 2030 that probably pays more....... Politics as usual...... |
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