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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 22, 2024 13:17:29 GMT -5
THAT'S A LOT OF SICK DAYS!
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Post by Cabutan on Jun 22, 2024 15:37:18 GMT -5
I like Keshad Johnson. Reminds me somehow of Al Horford. Shorter but same style. He seems to be a very mature and NBA ready player.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 22, 2024 17:50:38 GMT -5
yes for sure on Ware being there at #24, I have him at #16 right now higher than Missi in the rankings. But Filipowski could also be a target if Ware would be gone, right? I have Dunn still sitting at #31 for now. for what its worth Keshad Johnson is only 6-7 but could be an option if Brad trades down into the top half of the second, I would think. www.nbadraft.net/players/keshad-johnson/ |
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Post by croc on Jun 23, 2024 12:06:43 GMT -5
I'd go for the Big of Brad's chosing.
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Post by Admin on Jun 23, 2024 12:48:23 GMT -5
If Ware, Filipowski, Edey, Holmes & Missi are all gone before #30 and we can't move up to get one then I'd move down to the top 10 slots in round 2 and look to add a Wing (Bridges) and a Center (Chomche) with the two 2nd rounders.
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Post by Admin on Jun 23, 2024 13:45:21 GMT -5
Quite a lot - he's too slow and bad at defending the perimeter to ever start. He could be a backup C, considering an opposing bench probably has less speed and shooters than their A team plus theres prob more bricks from bench players leading to rebound opportunities. But I think he's going to struggle with teams running picks to get him on faster players and shooters and he has no answer for that. I also worry hes a pylon. Does add offense to a second unit though. Im wondering what the plan is for Walsh and if theres been growth there. Hauser cant be the first wing off the bench next year. Players I like who we could realistically target: Kolek, Ighodoro, Scheirmann, not against Dunn.
So then you wouldn't sign Andre Drummond to a VM contract as backup - I assume they are the same player?
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 23, 2024 13:50:47 GMT -5
If they target a big in the draft early, seems to me that means Tillman is likely gone.
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Post by croc on Jun 23, 2024 13:57:13 GMT -5
If they target a big in the draft early, seems to me that means Tillman is likely gone. What else are the needs? Al is nearing the end. As much as I like Zinger he can't be counted on to be healthy. |
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 23, 2024 14:07:28 GMT -5
If they target a big in the draft early, seems to me that means Tillman is likely gone. What else are the needs? Al is nearing the end. As much as I like Zinger he can't be counted on to be healthy. right not many needs this off-season at worst replace one of Tillman or Kornet and replace Svi maybe Brissett is he opts to leave. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 23, 2024 14:36:05 GMT -5
If they target a big in the draft early, seems to me that means Tillman is likely gone.
Why? We can match any offer he gets (if we want to) w/ full Bird Rts.
Celtics could go as high as $7-9MM to retain him. In which case Kornet is out.
I'm thinking 1-2 VM ring chasers sign here and 1-2 draftees to replace Kornet, Svi (back to Europe as intended last season but w/ ring)
Why stick w/ JD Davison when you can draft KJ Simpson (another small PG out of CO) in round 2 if you feel the need for another PG (is Payton to be traded?)?
Peterson probably gets a non-guaranteed deal to make the team as the next Hauser.
Brissett is the ? for me ... w/ a ring but little playing time to advance his career, it wouldn't surprise me if he opts out.
Springer gets another yr to prove himself unless Brad gets a trade offer that improves the team at Wing ... same goes for Queta
To Summarize:
Gone: Kornet, Svi, Brissett & Davison
Remaining: Tillman, Peterson, Payton, Queta
Questionable: Springer
Additions: 1-2 vets via VM contracts (Drummond, Watford, Batum, etc) and 1-2 draftees (A Big if one drops to #30) and/or 2nd Rd (PF/Wing/C)
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Post by croc on Jun 23, 2024 16:13:49 GMT -5
I don't like losing Kornet. But if he's the only significant piece to go that's fine.
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Post by Admin on Jun 23, 2024 16:42:03 GMT -5
I don't like losing Kornet. But if he's the only significant piece to go that's fine.
I don't think Brad wants to lose him either but if both get offers of MLE or more then only one is likely to be kept and I think Tillman has a higher ceiling.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 23, 2024 17:21:15 GMT -5
I should have said Tillman OR Kornet would likely be gone. I don;t see the room for both AND a FRP big also, is what I meant.
I just heard a report that Brissett opted out today. we'll see if that's true I guess.
I also would be surprised if any of Kornet, Brissett or SVi gets an offer in the tax paying MLE range ( $5M plus). But again we'll see how that shakes out.
I could see a team paying Tillman that, based on his age and how he was part of the rotation at Memphis before.
just my 2 cents
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 23, 2024 18:26:40 GMT -5
If Ware, Filipowski, Edey, Holmes & Missi are all gone before #30 and we can't move up to get one then I'd move down to the top 10 slots in round 2 and look to add a Wing (Bridges) and a Center (Chomche) with the two 2nd rounders. We never move up. Never Never All those guys you mentioned are likely gone before 30. I would do what was necessary to draft Comche he's a beast on defense Bridges is fine but he won't see playing time as long as Hauser is here. A year in Portland IS likely. He could be a cheap replacement for Hauser who will want 5 to 8 mil to resign after next year I would draft another long PF who i havn't decided probably before Bridges I don't think Walsh is going to contribute any meaningful minutes he showed little greatness in Portland from what i seen, |
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 23, 2024 18:29:48 GMT -5
If they target a big in the draft early, seems to me that means Tillman is likely gone.
Why? We can match any offer he gets (if we want to) w/ full Bird Rts.
Celtics could go as high as $7-9MM to retain him. In which case Kornet is out.
I'm thinking 1-2 VM ring chasers sign here and 1-2 draftees to replace Kornet, Svi (back to Europe as intended last season but w/ ring)
Why stick w/ JD Davison when you can draft KJ Simpson (another small PG out of CO) in round 2 if you feel the need for another PG (is Payton to be traded?)?
Peterson probably gets a non-guaranteed deal to make the team as the next Hauser.
Brissett is the ? for me ... w/ a ring but little playing time to advance his career, it wouldn't surprise me if he opts out.
Springer gets another yr to prove himself unless Brad gets a trade offer that improves the team at Wing ... same goes for Queta
To Summarize:
Gone: Kornet, Svi, Brissett & Davison
Remaining: Tillman, Peterson, Payton, Queta
Questionable: Springer
Additions: 1-2 vets via VM contracts (Drummond, Watford, Batum, etc) and 1-2 draftees (A Big if one drops to #30) and/or 2nd Rd (PF/Wing/C)
We are not paying Tillman 7 to 9 mil next year bird rights or no bird rights. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 23, 2024 20:07:57 GMT -5
Why? We can match any offer he gets (if we want to) w/ full Bird Rts.
Celtics could go as high as $7-9MM to retain him. In which case Kornet is out.
I'm thinking 1-2 VM ring chasers sign here and 1-2 draftees to replace Kornet, Svi (back to Europe as intended last season but w/ ring)
Why stick w/ JD Davison when you can draft KJ Simpson (another small PG out of CO) in round 2 if you feel the need for another PG (is Payton to be traded?)?
Peterson probably gets a non-guaranteed deal to make the team as the next Hauser.
Brissett is the ? for me ... w/ a ring but little playing time to advance his career, it wouldn't surprise me if he opts out.
Springer gets another yr to prove himself unless Brad gets a trade offer that improves the team at Wing ... same goes for Queta
To Summarize:
Gone: Kornet, Svi, Brissett & Davison
Remaining: Tillman, Peterson, Payton, Queta
Questionable: Springer
Additions: 1-2 vets via VM contracts (Drummond, Watford, Batum, etc) and 1-2 draftees (A Big if one drops to #30) and/or 2nd Rd (PF/Wing/C)
We are not paying Tillman 7 to 9 mil next year bird rights or no bird rights.
That's what I read ... the assumption is multiple teams will offer MLE ($5.2M) and to lock him up it could take $7-9M
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 23, 2024 21:03:59 GMT -5
We are not paying Tillman 7 to 9 mil next year bird rights or no bird rights.
That's what I read ... the assumption is multiple teams will offer MLE ($5.2M) and to lock him up it could take $7-9M
Yeah i'm not arguing that Tillman won't be offered 5.2 mil. He didn't seem to be a favorite of Joe's and we really didn't get a good look on how or if he fits in. One would have though he would have got more playing time . I say we won't go 7 to 9 mil next year if that's what it takes. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 23, 2024 22:21:30 GMT -5
That's what I read ... the assumption is multiple teams will offer MLE ($5.2M) and to lock him up it could take $7-9M
Yeah i'm not arguing that Tillman won't be offered 5.2 mil. He didn't seem to be a favorite of Joe's and we really didn't get a good look on how or if he fits in. One would have though he would have got more playing time . I say we won't go 7 to 9 mil next year if that's what it takes.
That's ok ... at least we agree on Chomche.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 24, 2024 6:21:56 GMT -5
Brissett opting out increases the chances Boston keeps both Kornet and Tillman next year, IMO.
I'd guess a max salary next year for BOTH under $10M should get it done.
that would allow Brad to go guard or wing in the draft.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2024 11:40:55 GMT -5
Quite a lot - he's too slow and bad at defending the perimeter to ever start. He could be a backup C, considering an opposing bench probably has less speed and shooters than their A team plus theres prob more bricks from bench players leading to rebound opportunities. But I think he's going to struggle with teams running picks to get him on faster players and shooters and he has no answer for that. I also worry hes a pylon. Does add offense to a second unit though. Im wondering what the plan is for Walsh and if theres been growth there. Hauser cant be the first wing off the bench next year. Players I like who we could realistically target: Kolek, Ighodoro, Scheirmann, not against Dunn.
So then you wouldn't sign Andre Drummond to a VM contract as backup - I assume they are the same player?
Few players I like less than Andre Drummond. |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2024 11:43:04 GMT -5
Quite a lot - he's too slow and bad at defending the perimeter to ever start. He could be a backup C, considering an opposing bench probably has less speed and shooters than their A team plus theres prob more bricks from bench players leading to rebound opportunities. But I think he's going to struggle with teams running picks to get him on faster players and shooters and he has no answer for that. I also worry hes a pylon. Does add offense to a second unit though. Im wondering what the plan is for Walsh and if theres been growth there. Hauser cant be the first wing off the bench next year. Players I like who we could realistically target: Kolek, Ighodoro, Scheirmann, not against Dunn.
So then you wouldn't sign Andre Drummond to a VM contract as backup - I assume they are the same player?
But Ive warmed to Edey since I wrote this. Cuz he was showing off his 3 pt shot at the combine. But I dont see a path to trading up that high. I think hes going earlier than most think, because if he can work on that 3 he could be a healthier and younger Porzingis and everyone just saw his impact when healthy. I wouldnt be against trading up to 18 to get Edey, but Im not sure he'll be there at 18 and I think DaCs is optimistic on what our trade pieces can fetch. |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2024 11:56:05 GMT -5
We are not paying Tillman 7 to 9 mil next year bird rights or no bird rights.
That's what I read ... the assumption is multiple teams will offer MLE ($5.2M) and to lock him up it could take $7-9M
I think a lot of article writers havent fully grasped the direction the NBA has gone with the new CBA. The vast majority of the money is going to the top guys. In a few years, I think half the players in the league will be on min deals. I think bench guys are going to take a hit. I think if you arent an established very good bench player, you are looking at 5M for top end rotation role players and minimum contracts for everyone else. Im not sure Tillman will get an MLE deal. I can see 5.2M, and I can see us matching that. I can also see him not getting an MLE deal and having to settle with us for 4M or maybe even minimum. I think its very hard these days to get above the minimum. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2024 11:58:47 GMT -5
So then you wouldn't sign Andre Drummond to a VM contract as backup - I assume they are the same player?
But Ive warmed to Edey since I wrote this. Cuz he was showing off his 3 pt shot at the combine. But I dont see a path to trading up that high. I think hes going earlier than most think, because if he can work on that 3 he could be a healthier and younger Porzingis and everyone just saw his impact when healthy. I wouldnt be against trading up to 18 to get Edey, but Im not sure he'll be there at 18 and I think DaCs is optimistic on what our trade pieces can fetch.
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If there is one element of the NBA game we know today, the pace is fast and seems to quicken each season. Today, many teams make it a point to get up a good shot and score the basket before the shot clock hits the halfway mark. Edey would have to adapt to the speedy and sporadic pace of NBA play in one way or another. His size emulates a more traditional, old-school center from the 80’s and 90’s decades. Edey knows he will have to work on his game and develop his skill level to match his NBA opponents.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2024 11:59:03 GMT -5
Due to being a 2nd apron team, I dont think we can go for buy-outs, which makes me think we'll use all 15 spots (as opposed to leaving one open like we did for much of last year). But of course, that adds $ to the payroll. At some point, Im sure theres a limit.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2024 12:56:46 GMT -5
If they target a big in the draft early, seems to me that means Tillman is likely gone.
Why? We can match any offer he gets (if we want to) w/ full Bird Rts.
Celtics could go as high as $7-9MM to retain him. In which case Kornet is out.
I'm thinking 1-2 VM ring chasers sign here and 1-2 draftees to replace Kornet, Svi (back to Europe as intended last season but w/ ring)
Why stick w/ JD Davison when you can draft KJ Simpson (another small PG out of CO) in round 2 if you feel the need for another PG (is Payton to be traded?)?
Peterson probably gets a non-guaranteed deal to make the team as the next Hauser.
Brissett is the ? for me ... w/ a ring but little playing time to advance his career, it wouldn't surprise me if he opts out.
Springer gets another yr to prove himself unless Brad gets a trade offer that improves the team at Wing ... same goes for Queta
To Summarize:
Gone: Kornet, Svi, Brissett & Davison
Remaining: Tillman, Peterson, Payton, Queta
Questionable: Springer
Additions: 1-2 vets via VM contracts (Drummond, Watford, Batum, etc) and 1-2 draftees (A Big if one drops to #30) and/or 2nd Rd (PF/Wing/C)
Might be too many. With everyone you are keeping, we have White, Jrue, Brown, Tatum, Porz, Horford, PP, Hauser, Tillman, Walsh, Peterson, Payton, Queta So thats 13 and I think only Peterson can get a 2 way. So assuming he gets 2 way, thats 12, with only 3 spots remaining. Maybe that second round PF/wing/C can get 2 way'd only, leaving 2 VM (you chose two centers) and a drafted big (you chose yet another Center). So on your 15 man roster you have: 4 guards: White, jrue, PP, Springer 4 wings: Brown, Tatum, Hauser, Walsh And 7 bigs: Porz, Al, Tillman,Tillman, Drummond, Watford, the drafted big at 30 For 2 ways we have 2 more bigs: peterson and that second round pick (who might be another big). Springer and Walsh shouldnt be 1 injury away from the rotation. I think they'll need to pick and choose some of these bigs. My plan: trade pick 30 for 2 2024 seconds. Flip one of those seconds, a 2025 second and Springer for T. Craig ( wing). Draft Chompy Chomche with our first second round pick (2 way) and a PG (other 2 way with our later second). Sign Kris Dunn on minimum deal. Keep Tillman. Get a minimum big who can shoot. Keep Kornet and one more VM wing Guards: White, Jrue, Pritch, Dunn, pick 54 (2 way) Wings: Brown, Tatum, Hauser, T. Craig, VM wing, Walsh Bigs: Porz, Al, Tillman, Kornet, VM center who can shoot , chompy chomche (2 way) |
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