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Post by Cabutan on Jan 8, 2024 12:48:20 GMT -5
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Post by cole on Jan 8, 2024 13:14:48 GMT -5
Maybe all this brissett publicity is just posturing for some deal
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Post by puddin on Jan 8, 2024 13:29:55 GMT -5
Cs really have to make a move..... they've lost 7 games already and their season may be slipping away from them.
Pud
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Post by Cabutan on Jan 8, 2024 13:33:41 GMT -5
Cs really have to make a move..... they've lost 7 games already and their season may be slipping away from them.
Pud
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Post by Cabutan on Jan 8, 2024 18:15:46 GMT -5
Celtics' longtime interest in Raptors big man hints at trade pursuit: Chris Boucherclutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-celtics-longtime-interest-in-raptors-big-man-hints-at-trade-pursuitThe Boston Celtics are comfortable atop the Eastern Conference standings, but not complacent. Ahead of the February 8th trade deadline, there have been rumblings that the C's might make a move. And even though they're currently 28-7 with one of the best starting lineups in the league, some more depth in the frontcourt could help. Toronto Raptors center Chris Boucher has apparently been on Boston's radar for some time, according to Yahoo Sports reporter Jake Fischer. The Raptors could shake things up at the deadline too, as they've already traded away forward OG Anunoby this season...
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 9, 2024 15:53:30 GMT -5
I'd check in on Dario Saric from the Warriors, if I were Brad! 6'10" floor spacer!
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Post by dfries13 on Jan 9, 2024 16:40:24 GMT -5
Boss answered both the two previous suggesting in this thread.
Why? MONEY - Every $1 added costs them $5 (exaggerated) not to mention that after the top 8 on our roster there isn't much in the way of contract swaps.
Why is this so hard to grasp?
WYC ISN'T GOING OVER THE SECOND TAX LEVEL EVEN IF MJ WAS IN HIS PRIME AND AVAILABLE.......
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 10, 2024 11:54:39 GMT -5
Boucher is out, he makes 11 mill. BUT, Otto Porter makes about 6. He could fit into the GWill TPE.
I don't think that counts against the cap, and I also don't see TOR trading with us.......
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 10, 2024 12:02:17 GMT -5
At 6 mil,; pickings are slim.
"some" names:
Porter, Young, Joseph, Saric, Gordon, Lee, Bol, Crowder, R Lopez, Payne and Beasley............partial list
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2024 12:25:30 GMT -5
Admin top 3 Centers from below: Sengun - Kessler - Drummond
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2024 12:37:48 GMT -5
Admin top 3 Wings from below: Bey - Fontecchio - McDaniels
Five big wings the Boston Celtics can target for trades Justin Quinn
Boston Celtics President of Basketball Operations Brad Stevens let it slip that the Celtics are keeping an eye out for a bigger wing to add to the ball club’s rotation ahead of the NBA’s 2024 trade deadline. And while he did make it clear that this addition could be an internal one — Lamar Stevens, Svi Mykhailiuk, Dalano Banton, and Oshae Brissett all fit the bill and are not really part of Boston’s rotation of late — fans of the team can’t be blamed if they immediately made a beeline over to their favorite trade checker site to see if they can’t find a reasonable trade target.
We say “reasonable” due to the financial and roster constraints the Celtics have to consider, with a limited range of salary likely not exceeding what Boston can do with the traded player exception (TPE) generated by the signing and trade of Grant Williams to the Dallas Mavericks.
With that, Boston could absorb a player into the TPE, worth $6.2 million, plus an additional $250,000 in salary — and we have done you the solid of finding five potential candidates the Celtics could consider.
Let’s take a look.
Keita Bates-Diop - Phoenix Suns
The Suns may not decide they are out of the postseason race until it’s decided for them given the splash new owner Matt Ishbia wanted to make on buying the team. But an 18-16 record could quickly become a much worse one if injury were to afflict Kevin Durant or Devin Booker for any length of time.
Should that occur, the Suns might be open to dealing some of their less-essential players, and Bates-Diop is the sort of player Stevens hinted about. A 6-foot-8 combo forward who does a bit of everything might be had — though his poor 3-point shooting doesn’t make him the sexiest option.
2023-24 salary: $2.3 million
Torrey Craig - Chicago Bulls
The Bulls are in a similar if worse situation, with injuries having taken the air out of a season they’d hope to salvage at least in part. Should they decide to go the asset accumulation route, Craig could likely be had at a low asset cost.
While older than Bates-Diop, he’s also a competent if unremarkable shot from 3 (34.9% though considerably better in recent seasons) with a bit less of a well-rounded game.
2023-24 salary: $2.5 million
Jalen McDaniels - Toronto Raptors
The Raptors are another team in more or less the same situation, and could decide to retool more aggressively before the deadline. If they do, McDaniels is currently playing some of the worst ball of his career with Toronto, hinting he may be disaffected and hoping for an escape.
If one doesn’t believe his current play is representative of what the 6-foot-9 wing can do when engaged, one is left with a solid defender who can rebound and move the ball a bit, but his salary is notably larger than the players mentioned above.
2023-24 salary: $4.5 million
Simone Fontecchio - Utah Jazz
Same story, different conference with the Jazz, especially given their current status as a rebuilding team may not see Fontecchio as part of their long-term future.
The Italian wing stands at 6-foot-8 and has been knocking down over 40% of his treys on volume this season, making him an especially intriguing option for Boston along with his solid rebounding for his position.
2023-24 salary: $3 million
Saddiq Bey - Atlanta Hawks
If Boston wants to push their chips in — or what is left of them, anyway — for a big wing, this guy is our clear favorite. A strong defender with a good outside shot and good rebounding skills, Bey also checks the Brad Stevens box of having torched Boston in the past.
As with all the above targets, it’d require the Hawks to decide some asset collection was the right call with his contract, but as a looming free agent with an expensive payroll already, Atlanta could potentially be convinced.
Would the ask be too high to leave Boston some firsts for an emergency? Quite possibly — but it’s a call Boston should make just the same.
2023-24 salary: $4.5 million
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 10, 2024 12:49:49 GMT -5
I hope we don't include Jordan Walsh in any trades we may make. 19 years old, up to 41% shooting 3's now. 6'6" with a 7'1" wing span. I'd give him a little more time to develop.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 10, 2024 12:50:58 GMT -5
Admin top 3 Wings from below: Bey - Fontecchio - McDaniels
Five big wings the Boston Celtics can target for trades Justin Quinn
Boston Celtics President of Basketball Operations Brad Stevens let it slip that the Celtics are keeping an eye out for a bigger wing to add to the ball club’s rotation ahead of the NBA’s 2024 trade deadline. And while he did make it clear that this addition could be an internal one — Lamar Stevens, Svi Mykhailiuk, Dalano Banton, and Oshae Brissett all fit the bill and are not really part of Boston’s rotation of late — fans of the team can’t be blamed if they immediately made a beeline over to their favorite trade checker site to see if they can’t find a reasonable trade target.
We say “reasonable” due to the financial and roster constraints the Celtics have to consider, with a limited range of salary likely not exceeding what Boston can do with the traded player exception (TPE) generated by the signing and trade of Grant Williams to the Dallas Mavericks.
With that, Boston could absorb a player into the TPE, worth $6.2 million, plus an additional $250,000 in salary — and we have done you the solid of finding five potential candidates the Celtics could consider.
Let’s take a look.
Keita Bates-Diop - Phoenix Suns
The Suns may not decide they are out of the postseason race until it’s decided for them given the splash new owner Matt Ishbia wanted to make on buying the team. But an 18-16 record could quickly become a much worse one if injury were to afflict Kevin Durant or Devin Booker for any length of time.
Should that occur, the Suns might be open to dealing some of their less-essential players, and Bates-Diop is the sort of player Stevens hinted about. A 6-foot-8 combo forward who does a bit of everything might be had — though his poor 3-point shooting doesn’t make him the sexiest option.
2023-24 salary: $2.3 million
Torrey Craig - Chicago Bulls
The Bulls are in a similar if worse situation, with injuries having taken the air out of a season they’d hope to salvage at least in part. Should they decide to go the asset accumulation route, Craig could likely be had at a low asset cost.
While older than Bates-Diop, he’s also a competent if unremarkable shot from 3 (34.9% though considerably better in recent seasons) with a bit less of a well-rounded game.
2023-24 salary: $2.5 million
Jalen McDaniels - Toronto Raptors
The Raptors are another team in more or less the same situation, and could decide to retool more aggressively before the deadline. If they do, McDaniels is currently playing some of the worst ball of his career with Toronto, hinting he may be disaffected and hoping for an escape.
If one doesn’t believe his current play is representative of what the 6-foot-9 wing can do when engaged, one is left with a solid defender who can rebound and move the ball a bit, but his salary is notably larger than the players mentioned above.
2023-24 salary: $4.5 million
Simone Fontecchio - Utah Jazz
Same story, different conference with the Jazz, especially given their current status as a rebuilding team may not see Fontecchio as part of their long-term future.
The Italian wing stands at 6-foot-8 and has been knocking down over 40% of his treys on volume this season, making him an especially intriguing option for Boston along with his solid rebounding for his position.
2023-24 salary: $3 million
Saddiq Bey - Atlanta Hawks
If Boston wants to push their chips in — or what is left of them, anyway — for a big wing, this guy is our clear favorite. A strong defender with a good outside shot and good rebounding skills, Bey also checks the Brad Stevens box of having torched Boston in the past.
As with all the above targets, it’d require the Hawks to decide some asset collection was the right call with his contract, but as a looming free agent with an expensive payroll already, Atlanta could potentially be convinced.
Would the ask be too high to leave Boston some firsts for an emergency? Quite possibly — but it’s a call Boston should make just the same.
2023-24 salary: $4.5 million
bey would be nice. TJ Warren is also still out there. Fontecchio is intriguing
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Post by kdp59 on Jan 11, 2024 7:52:49 GMT -5
Boss answered both the two previous suggesting in this thread. Why? MONEY - Every $1 added costs them $5 (exaggerated) not to mention that after the top 8 on our roster there isn't much in the way of contract swaps. Why is this so hard to grasp? WYC ISN'T GOING OVER THE SECOND TAX LEVEL EVEN IF MJ WAS IN HIS PRIME AND AVAILABLE....... I've seen people say this at a couple Celtics places I visit, but it looks to me Boston is ALEADY over the second apron ( Holiday trade sent them over) www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/to be honest there is no extra cost going over or staying under this year, the tax payments are the same for now anyway. (as I understand it)
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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2024 11:51:33 GMT -5
Grizzlies Give Vince Williams Standard Contract, Waive Bismack Biyomboby Arthur HillThe Grizzlies will convert Vince Williams‘ two-way contract to a standard deal, tweets ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. The new contract will be fully guaranteed at $7.9MM over three years and carries a team option for a fourth season, adds Wojnarowski, who states that it’s believed to be the richest ever for a player coming off a two-way deal. To open a spot for Williams on the 15-man roster, Memphis will waive veteran center Bismack Biyombo, according to Woj, who notes that Biyombo has been impressive in his time with the Grizzlies and could return to the team later in the season if he clears waivers. Wojnarowski hears that Memphis will look for another big man to fill its open two-way slot. Williams has emerged as an outstanding perimeter defender in his second year with Memphis after being taken with the 47th pick in the 2022 draft. The 23-year-old swingman has appeared in 27 games this season, making eight starts, and is averaging 5.9 points, 5.1 rebounds and 1.8 assists in 21.9 minutes per night. Memphis will use part of the $7.4MM remaining on its non-taxpayer mid-level exception to cover Williams’ salary for the rest of the season, according to Bobby Marks of ESPN (Twitter link). The team already spent $5MM of its MLE to sign Biyombo in November. Biyombo’s contract was only partially guaranteed and the Grizzlies could have saved money by waiving him before Sunday’s deadline, but Marks notes that they’re far enough below the luxury tax that it won’t affect their financial flexibility this season. Memphis added the 31-year-old Biyombo after losing Steven Adams with a season-ending knee injury. Biyombo quickly took over as the starting center and averaged 5.2 points, 6.4 rebounds and 1.1 blocks in 30 games. The Grizzlies will be responsible for the rest of his contract unless another team claims him on waivers.
Comment: Looks to me as though the C's could pluck Biyombo off the waiver wire using their TPE as the contract is for $5M ...
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Post by dfries13 on Jan 11, 2024 16:29:27 GMT -5
Boss answered both the two previous suggesting in this thread. Why? MONEY - Every $1 added costs them $5 (exaggerated) not to mention that after the top 8 on our roster there isn't much in the way of contract swaps. Why is this so hard to grasp? WYC ISN'T GOING OVER THE SECOND TAX LEVEL EVEN IF MJ WAS IN HIS PRIME AND AVAILABLE....... I've seen people say this at a couple Celtics places I visit, but it looks to me Boston is ALEADY over the second apron ( Holiday trade sent them over) www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/to be honest there is no extra cost going over or staying under this year, the tax payments are the same for now anyway. (as I understand it) Your right sense thay kept all the none guaranteed contracts they are over. the second level This surprised me. I'ts s 182mil and the payroll is 183 +
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Post by kdp59 on Jan 12, 2024 9:21:48 GMT -5
I think they have to have 14 players anyway, so someone was going to get paid in those 12-14th spots
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Post by Admin on Jan 25, 2024 17:48:02 GMT -5
A Boston Celtics trade deadline primer A rundown of what the Celtics can do before and after February 8 and the many things they can’t. By Michael Spooner
The increasingly complex NBA trade rules
Like Shrek (or an onion), the NBA’s CBA and the rules around trading have layers; seemingly endless amounts of them, but let's start with the basics. The NBA’s salary cap is a soft cap. In other words, you can go over it (I apologize in advance for the colossal number of times I’m about to say “in other words” in this article). In the Celtics’ case, they are roughly a cool $51.3 million over the cap this season (per Spotrac.com, and really everything in this article per the heroes at Spotrac).
This matters for a few reasons that we will discuss later, but as it specifically relates to trades, being over the cap limits how you can structure deals. In simple terms, teams over the cap have to match the amount of the outgoing salaries (players they are trading) with the incoming salaries (players they are trading for).
It’s not a dollar-for-dollar match, however. Otherwise, it would be basically impossible to trade because you’d be limited to players that have the exact dollar amount of the player you are trading away. Instead, the general rule, and the rule under the previous CBA, is that teams could take back up to 125% of their outgoing salary. Unfortunately, the new CBA has amended this for teams over a certain salary threshold. That threshold is what’s affectionately known as the first apron.
The CBA is designed so that the more amount of money you spend, the more punitive the restrictions. The first threshold is obviously the cap itself. Once you get beyond the soft cap ($136 million). you can’t sign free agents without using an exception. Then you hit the luxury tax threshold ($165 million) where you have to pay the league for each dollar above the tax line. Then you hit the first apron ($172 million) and then the second apron ($183 million). At both aprons, different restrictions apply. We don’t have to worry about which apron each restriction applies because the Celtics are already well past the second apron with total salaries equaling about $187 million, which means every restriction applies.
The most important apron restriction for trade purposes is that the Cs can’t take back 125% of outgoing salary. Instead, they’re limited to 110% (which falls to 100% after July 1st this offseason and will stay at that level into the future).
Let’s look at a simple example. This is blasphemy, but let’s pretend the Celtics are trading Sam Hauser. He makes $1.9 million dollars this year. With Sam’s money outgoing, the Celtics can receive a player making around $2.1 million in a trade. Easy peasy.
Now that we’ve got the basics, let’s take a look at the Celtics tradeable assets.
Brad Stevens’ war chest
First, here are all of the Celtic’s contracts on the books (from Spotrac):
You’ll notice that you can actually cobble together a pretty decent amount of money if you combine a few of the end-of-the-bench guys. If you put Jordan Walsh, Svi Mykhailiuk, and Lamar Stevens together, you can total roughly $5.16 million of tradeable salary, which means we can take back a player making roughly $5.676 million.
The Payton Pritchard Problem: Because Pritchard received a rookie extension this offseason, his contract is referred to as a Poison Pill Contract. That sounds way cooler than it is. Long story short, unlike in the Sam Hauser example, Pritchard’s salary counts differently for the Celtics than the team that is receiving him in a trade. His salary to the Celtics is $4 million outgoing, but for the team receiving him, it is $6.8 million incoming (the average of his current salary and all the extension years). It is very tricky to trade Pritchard, but not impossible. It’s made considerably easier to a team with cap space because they can just absorb the extra money and send back the Celtics a player making up to $4.4 million.
Now, onto the draft picks. Or as I like to call it “Brad Stevens’ not-so-secret obsession with second round picks.” The picture is from Fanspo.com
This list is actually missing the 2028 1st rounder, which we owe to San Antonio in a swap. But because it’s a swap, we still do own a pick in 2028; it’s just the worst of our 1st or San Antonio’s. But wait, there’s more. The NBA’s Stepien Rule requires that a team have at least one 1st round pick in every other draft. Looking at the Cs’ situation, because we traded our 2029 pick to Portland in the Jrue Holiday trade, the 2028 swap and the 2030 1st are off the table. We also can’t trade two consecutive picks, so we couldn’t package the 2024 and 2025 1sts in a deal. With all that in mind, the Celtics are left with the following tradeable draft assets:
1sts - 2 2nds - 8 (Brad!!!)
Our final “asset” is courtesy of good old friend Grant Williams. That is the $6.2 million Traded Player Exception. Without going into the minutiae of TPEs, its basic function is that it acts as a tradeable salary without requiring you to actually trade a player. In other words, the Celtics can receive any player in the NBA making $6.2 million or less without sending out a player in that trade.
They are exceedingly useful, but there is an important restriction (like everything in the CBA). Unlike player salaries, the TPE can’t be combined with other contracts to take back more salary. For instance, let’s take Sam’s $1.9 million. We couldn’t stack his money with the TPE and take back a player making say $8.0 million. However, if a player does fit into the TPE, we can still send out contracts to cut down the salary we are taking on. So, we could use the TPE on someone making $5.9 million and send out Svi with it to save a bit of money (and a lot of luxury tax). So, whenever the TPE is involved, keep in mind that the player the Celtics are receiving has to make $6.2 million or less.
One other thing to consider: Boston has an open roster spot. That could be used to promote a current two-way player, say Neemias Queta for example. Or, Stevens could decide to make an uneven 3-for-2 or 2-for-1 without having to cut a player.
Let’s sum up what the Celtics have in their arsenal for the deadline (there’s no way they are touching the top-6, so they aren’t included here):
Players
Draft Picks
1sts - 2 2nds - 8
TPE - $6.2 million
Alright, on to the fun stuff.
A few types of players the Celtics could target
While it’s fun to combine like 5 or 6 salaries and go shopping for some players that make a decent amount of money, that is functionally very difficult. The team receiving them has to either have open roster spots or be willing to cut guys so they can execute the trade. Because of that difficulty, I think it’s far more likely the Cs are shopping for contracts that fit into the TPE. They will almost certainly send out some guys with the TPE, but as a rule of thumb the Celtics are practically limited to players making $6.2 million or less.
We also have to keep in mind players that are poison pilled like Pritchard is. That takes out two of my personal favorite targets Deni Avdija and Isaiah Stewart. But let’s take a look at some guys that are out there.
Bigs
Nick Richards - Charlotte - $5.0 million
Mike Muscala - Detroit - $3.5 million
Xavier Tillman - Memphis - $1.9 million < Admin Fav
Andre Drummond - Chicago - $3.3 million
Wings
John Konchar - Memphis - $2.4 million
Julian Champagnie - San Antonio - $3.0 million < Admin Fav
Reggie Bullock - Houston - $2.0 million
Saddiq Bey - Atlanta - $4.5 million < Admin Fav
Guards
Simone Fontecchio - Utah - $3.0 million < Admin Fav (listed as SF - maybe a swing g/f type)
Dennis Smith, Jr. - Brooklyn - $2.0 million
Jevon Carter - Chicago - $6.1 million
Not exactly a list of All-Stars, but given the CBA restrictions that the Celtics have to contend with and their top-heavy salary structure, there’s just not a large universe of players the Celtics can target.
With that said, there’s some very interesting players that could definitely sneak into the Celtics’ rotation (Tillman, Bey, and Fontecchio chief among them), and the Cs have enough picks to entice one of these teams to move them. I don’t think the Celtics are going to hit a home run during trade season, but they might just slap a seeing-eye single up the middle.
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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2024 13:52:43 GMT -5
Admin Proposed Trade for a Rental Player: Out: Pritchard, Stevens & Svi w/ 2 2nd RDPs In: Miles Bridges (F) - No Bird Rts
Proposal for a Trade using TPE:
Out: $4.6MM of $6.2MM TPE, Stevens & 1 FRDP
In: Saddiq Bey (F) - RFA next season @ $6.5MM QO
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Post by cole on Jan 26, 2024 14:26:37 GMT -5
Even with meaningful minutes on a championship team, I still think PP would rather be running and gunning full-time on a looser like Charlotte. And it would be a fun watch for charlotte fans as they're losing.
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Post by kdp59 on Jan 27, 2024 8:09:36 GMT -5
I got one that most will hate, so I like it a lot! we add a big forward , which Opie supposedly wants. We plug in a guy that fits in right away AND both players combined are on deals making less than the guy we trade away who is also OLDER.
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 27, 2024 10:49:12 GMT -5
I got one that most will hate, so I like it a lot! we add a big forward , which Opie supposedly wants. We plug in a guy that fits in right away AND both players combined are on deals making less than the guy we trade away who is also OLDER. View Attachment I just spit my coffee out, reading this!
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Post by cole on Jan 27, 2024 14:23:55 GMT -5
I got one that most will hate, so I like it a lot! we add a big forward , which Opie supposedly wants. We plug in a guy that fits in right away AND both players combined are on deals making less than the guy we trade away who is also OLDER. View Attachment I just spit my coffee out, reading this! Don't think we can?
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Post by kdp59 on Jan 27, 2024 15:45:46 GMT -5
I got one that most will hate, so I like it a lot! we add a big forward , which Opie supposedly wants. We plug in a guy that fits in right away AND both players combined are on deals making less than the guy we trade away who is also OLDER. View Attachment I just spit my coffee out, reading this! get 'er done Opie!
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Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2024 17:11:32 GMT -5
Adding cash to a deal can serve multiple purposes. It can be a sweetener to encourage a team to make a deal in the first place – like when a club acquires a second-round pick in exchange for cash, or sends out an unwanted contract along with cash – or it can be a necessity to meet CBA requirements.Boston Celtics
Cash available to send: $7,005,000
Cash available to receive: $7,005,000
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