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Post by croc on Jul 5, 2023 20:28:12 GMT -5
I'm guessing they keep Brogdan now.
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Post by kdp59 on Jul 6, 2023 6:46:24 GMT -5
I'm guessing they keep Brogdan now. seems to me the prudent move is to try to trade Brogdon for TWO NBA vets making around the same $22M (or less) now. right now we need depth Porzingis Horford Rob Kornet are the only bigs on the roster right now Tatum Brown Hauser Brisket Sham-Penny Banton ? are the wings White Brogdon Pritchard As the PG's we need at least another big and a PG to replace Brogdon, if they move him
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Post by Admin on Jul 11, 2023 10:57:29 GMT -5
Could Celtics still expand Grant Williams trade to Mavericks? By Brian Robb | brobb@masslive.com
LAS VEGAS — The Celtics are in a bit of a holding pattern at NBA Summer League as business around the association slows down after an initial free-agent frenzy. There are ongoing talks with Jaylen Brown on an extension but Boston also has some other items of business waiting to complete. One noteworthy item among them is the three-team Grant Williams sign-and-trade agreed upon last week.
The former Celtic was in Las Vegas on Monday watching some of his new teammates in action at the Cox Pavilion. However, the trade has still not been submitted yet to the league despite being agreed to nearly a week ago. That type of delay could mean nothing but it also opens the door for the trade to expand for any of the teams involved (Dallas, San Antonio, Boston).
If the trade remains as currently constructed, the Celtics will net a pair of second-round picks from the Mavericks in the deal as well as a trade exception worth around $6.3 million depending on how Grant Williams’ new contract is structured.
The value of that TPE would be somewhat limited for Boston during this year if held as is. There are simply not a lot of guys that would be available to Boston on the trade market in that salary range and also be of use to the team.
There will be plenty of teams looking to dump a bad contract (Otto Porter, Ricky Rubio) but those aren’t deals the Celtics will be seeking out with the tax implications involved.
Additionally, even if the team doesn’t bring back a bigger salary now, having a player on an expiring deal in that price range would allow the team more flexibility for midseason trades than the TPE since it’s far easier to combine player salaries for a higher-paid player in those scenarios.
Whether that type of trade is out there remains to be seen but the Celtics still have the roster space to add while the waiting game continues. Given the draft trade capital they’ve amassed in the past few weeks and the fact several teams around the league have more players than they can keep on their 15-man rosters, the door remains open out for a bigger deal if the Celtics want to pursue it. The wait for that answer may just take a little longer while the James Harden and Damian Lillard situation remains unresolved.
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Post by Admin on Jul 12, 2023 14:44:38 GMT -5
OKC sends Patty Mills to Hawks for TyTy Washington (PG), Rudy Gay (SF), Usman Garuba (PF) and a 2nd rd pick.
OKC did the trade for the pick alone and may waive all three players even though both Garuba & Washington were 1st round picks that have yet to establish a regular NBA role.
Garuba at 6'8" and 220lbs would make a nice 2-way addition for the Celtics ...
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Post by kdp59 on Jul 13, 2023 7:41:41 GMT -5
OKC sends Patty Mills to Hawks for TyTy Washington (PG), Rudy Gay (SF), Usman Garuba (PF) and a 2nd rd pick. OKC did the trade for the pick alone and may waive all three players even though both Garuba & Washington were 1st round picks that have yet to establish a regular NBA role. Garuba at 6'8" and 220lbs would make a nice 2-way addition for the Celtics ... hell, he'd be a nice 5th big here! Trade some of those seconds for TyTY and Garuba and have their cheap contracts for a year or two I say. They both can fit into grants brand new TPE. OKC has 21 players under contract right now, with only 2 non-guaranteed. So they need to either trade or eat some. I'm pretty sure they would be more than willing to take one or two of Opie's second round collection. Sham-penny is a two way player at best ( lts all be honest), so there is no roster issues with that deal. then do my PeePee for Precious deal and you finally have a finished roster Opie...get her done!!
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Post by Admin on Jul 18, 2023 15:31:10 GMT -5
Per B Robb @ masslive.com Justin Champagnie looks like a cut candidate: His deal is non-guaranteed until midseason but there are a number of incentive days that are upcoming including $50,000 on August 1st and another $350,000 on opening night. If Brad Stevens is serious about adding more help to the roster as he declared last week, it’s hard to see Champagnie surviving beyond training camp. The Celtics could keep him to compete for a roster spot or a two-way but he doesn’t necessarily have a skillset that would translate well for Boston on the wing given the complexion of the roster.
Take a walk on Kornet while you're at it and get Achiuwa & Wood!
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Post by kyceltic on Jul 18, 2023 16:46:44 GMT -5
Per B Robb @ masslive.com Justin Champagnie looks like a cut candidate: His deal is non-guaranteed until midseason but there are a number of incentive days that are upcoming including $50,000 on August 1st and another $350,000 on opening night. If Brad Stevens is serious about adding more help to the roster as he declared last week, it’s hard to see Champagnie surviving beyond training camp. The Celtics could keep him to compete for a roster spot or a two-way but he doesn’t necessarily have a skillset that would translate well for Boston on the wing given the complexion of the roster.
Take a walk on Kornet while you're at it and get Achiuwa & Wood!
I don't see any need for champagnie.
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Post by Admin on Jul 27, 2023 10:11:15 GMT -5
What's wrong with this guy (C) if Wood is not willing to sign for VM?
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Post by Admin on Jul 27, 2023 18:14:23 GMT -5
Evaluating the Celtics’ options for their 15th roster spot What type of player should Boston look to add?
By Jack Simone
Justin Jackson. Juwan Morgan. Luke Kornet. Vincent Poirier. Guerschon Yabusele.
Those are the last five “15th men” on the Boston Celtics.
Of the group, only one has been able to stick in any sort of fashion, and that’s Kornet, who played in 69 games for the Celtics this past season in his return to the club.
The takeaway? The 15th man on the roster usually doesn’t matter. It’s often a throwaway player who provides a solid locker room presence, a specific skill, or is younger and can be developed.
But while Boston’s history of 15th men doesn’t leave much hope for them finding any sort of contribution, other teams have found success.
Just look at the Golden State Warriors. Gary Payton II was moments away from accepting a role as one of the team’s video coordinators before he accepted a 10-day deal to be the final guy on the roster. Nowadays, he’s making nearly $9 million a season, and in 2022, he played a significant role in Golden State’s championship run.
The Miami Heat brought on Caleb Martin on a two-way contract two seasons ago, and he slowly grew into one of their most important contributors.
In each of those situations, the team had opportunities to dole out for the players. Golden State utilized Payton’s defensive presence and talent as a cutter, while the Heat’s bench is molded by undrafted talent, paving the way for Martin to contribute.
There won’t be many opportunities in Boston, as they have a stacked roster with plenty of young players who would receive minutes over any 15th man they sign.
That said, there are a couple of spots where the Celtics could use a hair more depth. Behind their big-man trio of Kristaps Porzingis, Robert Williams, and Al Horford, Kornet is left as the lone big man. And with the injury and age concerns of the former three, adding another big could be useful.
The wing position also poses an intriguing quirk, as the Celtics have a fine group of point guards and a fine group of forwards, but not many players who fit in between. Does Dalano Banton play up? Can Malcolm Brogdon keep up with wings on the defensive end? Can Sam Hauser and Oshae Brissett play down? Are the Celtics comfortable rolling out rookie Jordan Walsh for backup minutes at the wing? At the very least, having another guy in that spot could be an insurance plan. Add in the fact that Justin Champagnie’s contract is non-guaranteed, and having an extra playable guy on board would be useful.
There are a bunch of different groups a 15th man could fit into, so that’s how we’ll break it down here.
Group 1 - Why aren’t these guys signed?
Kelly Oubre
Does Oubre wait for a team to offer him an MLE? Would they have thrown him that offer already if they were interested? Both are valid questions. But if teams are indeed out on Oubre, he could be a fine candidate for Boston to target should he be forced to settle for the minimum. He’d give them a nice scoring punch, and when playing alongside the right group, he’s a solid three-point shooter.
Christian Wood
It seems as though teams around the league are out on Wood this summer, as reports have indicated he’s only received minimum contract offers. The defensive concerns are certainly there, but Wood could be a decent choice for a third-string big.
Group 2 - Legitimately intriguing options
Trendon Watford
This may be the most intriguing option of the entire list. The 22-year-old was waived by the Portland Trail Blazers earlier this summer but put up solid numbers this past year. He’s a strong but undersized big who could give the Celtics legitimate center minutes behind their core three guys.
Terence Davis
Rumors of Boston’s potential interest in Davis swirled at the beginning of the offseason, but there hasn’t been much buzz since. He’s an undersized wing who provides a solid scoring punch and decent three-point shooting.
Justise Winslow
Injury concerns could get in the way of this idea, but Winslow’s frame and underrated playmaking could make him an intriguing option to give Boston some plug-and-play minutes at the wing spot. He’s not a great shooter, but he does almost everything else fairly well.
Group 3 - Take-a-chance players
Hamidou Diallo
Diallo has been unable to stick anywhere in the league up to this point, but his wild athleticism keeps him around. At 24 years old, the clock is ticking for him to find a role, and with the Celtics, he could look to lock in on the defensive end and hope to capitalize on cuts on offense. The lack of shooting makes the fit questionable, though.
Frank Ntilikina
Like Diallo, time is running out for Ntilikina to find a spot in the NBA, especially after he failed to stick with the Dallas Mavericks. That being said, the 24-year-old’s defensive presence could help him play up to the wing spot and act as a defensive specialist for the Celtics if they wanted to take a chance.
Udoka Azubuike
One of Boston’s Summer League guys, Azubuike looked a bit slow at times, but he has a great NBA frame. If the Celtics can work with him on his foot speed and positioning, the 23-year-old could be a solid developmental big-man option.
Group 4 - Anything left in the tank?
Bismack Biyombo
There’s a chance Biyombo deserves to be on the “legitimately intriguing options” list, but the fact that the Phoenix Suns didn’t bring him back is odd. He’s been solid for them the past two seasons, yet they let him walk when they most needed depth. Having Biyombo play behind Williams at the center spot wouldn’t be a terrible idea if he still has enough athleticism left.
Danny Green
Remember when everyone was upset that the Celtics lost out on the “Danny Green sweepstakes” to the Cleveland Cavaliers last season? Well, here’s their chance to make up for it, should they choose to do so. At worst, Green would bring a veteran presence without playing real minutes, and at best, he’s able to make some shots.
JaMychal Green
Green quietly played a decent role for the Warriors this past season, sometimes eclipsing Jonathan Kuminga in the rotation. He’s a bit undersized for the center spot, but he’s prone to a few hot shooting nights. Having him as a fourth or fifth-string big couldn’t hurt.
Terrence Ross
It feels like the Celtics were mentioned as a destination for Ross for years, so we might as well throw him on this list. After finally leaving the Orlando Magic this past year, Ross was solid in the regular season for Phoenix, but his shooting splits trailed off in his limited playoff minutes.
Group 5 - Vibes guys
Blake Griffin
The ultimate locker room presence. Griffin established himself as a fan and team favorite in Boston this past season, as seemingly everyone on the roster had something positive to say about the Bus One Boys leader. Recent rumblings have indicated that the team could wait until right before the season begins to bring him back, but it would be a fun addition if they do.
Boban Marjanovic
There’s a chance that Marjanovic could give the Celtics limited center minutes next to Kornet, but the latter is more likely to get significant run. If Boston did bring in Marjanovic, it would likely be for deep center depth and, as the group name indicates, the vibes.
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Post by kdp59 on Jul 28, 2023 7:35:40 GMT -5
IMO, Oubre and wood can make more money over seas if no one offers them a MLE type deal. That what I would do for a year anyway,
Watford is interesting, but that fact that Portland told him to go away may be telling.
Blake may be the best who would be willing to play for the peanuts Boston has.
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Post by elvissurfs on Jul 28, 2023 9:03:10 GMT -5
Evaluating the Celtics’ options for their 15th roster spot What type of player should Boston look to add?
By Jack Simone
Justin Jackson. Juwan Morgan. Luke Kornet. Vincent Poirier. Guerschon Yabusele.
Those are the last five “15th men” on the Boston Celtics.
Of the group, only one has been able to stick in any sort of fashion, and that’s Kornet, who played in 69 games for the Celtics this past season in his return to the club.
The takeaway? The 15th man on the roster usually doesn’t matter. It’s often a throwaway player who provides a solid locker room presence, a specific skill, or is younger and can be developed.
But while Boston’s history of 15th men doesn’t leave much hope for them finding any sort of contribution, other teams have found success.
Just look at the Golden State Warriors. Gary Payton II was moments away from accepting a role as one of the team’s video coordinators before he accepted a 10-day deal to be the final guy on the roster. Nowadays, he’s making nearly $9 million a season, and in 2022, he played a significant role in Golden State’s championship run.
The Miami Heat brought on Caleb Martin on a two-way contract two seasons ago, and he slowly grew into one of their most important contributors.
In each of those situations, the team had opportunities to dole out for the players. Golden State utilized Payton’s defensive presence and talent as a cutter, while the Heat’s bench is molded by undrafted talent, paving the way for Martin to contribute.
There won’t be many opportunities in Boston, as they have a stacked roster with plenty of young players who would receive minutes over any 15th man they sign.
That said, there are a couple of spots where the Celtics could use a hair more depth. Behind their big-man trio of Kristaps Porzingis, Robert Williams, and Al Horford, Kornet is left as the lone big man. And with the injury and age concerns of the former three, adding another big could be useful.
The wing position also poses an intriguing quirk, as the Celtics have a fine group of point guards and a fine group of forwards, but not many players who fit in between. Does Dalano Banton play up? Can Malcolm Brogdon keep up with wings on the defensive end? Can Sam Hauser and Oshae Brissett play down? Are the Celtics comfortable rolling out rookie Jordan Walsh for backup minutes at the wing? At the very least, having another guy in that spot could be an insurance plan. Add in the fact that Justin Champagnie’s contract is non-guaranteed, and having an extra playable guy on board would be useful.
There are a bunch of different groups a 15th man could fit into, so that’s how we’ll break it down here.
Group 1 - Why aren’t these guys signed?
Kelly Oubre
Does Oubre wait for a team to offer him an MLE? Would they have thrown him that offer already if they were interested? Both are valid questions. But if teams are indeed out on Oubre, he could be a fine candidate for Boston to target should he be forced to settle for the minimum. He’d give them a nice scoring punch, and when playing alongside the right group, he’s a solid three-point shooter.
Christian Wood
It seems as though teams around the league are out on Wood this summer, as reports have indicated he’s only received minimum contract offers. The defensive concerns are certainly there, but Wood could be a decent choice for a third-string big.
Group 2 - Legitimately intriguing options
Trendon Watford
This may be the most intriguing option of the entire list. The 22-year-old was waived by the Portland Trail Blazers earlier this summer but put up solid numbers this past year. He’s a strong but undersized big who could give the Celtics legitimate center minutes behind their core three guys.
Terence Davis
Rumors of Boston’s potential interest in Davis swirled at the beginning of the offseason, but there hasn’t been much buzz since. He’s an undersized wing who provides a solid scoring punch and decent three-point shooting.
Justise Winslow
Injury concerns could get in the way of this idea, but Winslow’s frame and underrated playmaking could make him an intriguing option to give Boston some plug-and-play minutes at the wing spot. He’s not a great shooter, but he does almost everything else fairly well.
Group 3 - Take-a-chance players
Hamidou Diallo
Diallo has been unable to stick anywhere in the league up to this point, but his wild athleticism keeps him around. At 24 years old, the clock is ticking for him to find a role, and with the Celtics, he could look to lock in on the defensive end and hope to capitalize on cuts on offense. The lack of shooting makes the fit questionable, though.
Frank Ntilikina
Like Diallo, time is running out for Ntilikina to find a spot in the NBA, especially after he failed to stick with the Dallas Mavericks. That being said, the 24-year-old’s defensive presence could help him play up to the wing spot and act as a defensive specialist for the Celtics if they wanted to take a chance.
Udoka Azubuike
One of Boston’s Summer League guys, Azubuike looked a bit slow at times, but he has a great NBA frame. If the Celtics can work with him on his foot speed and positioning, the 23-year-old could be a solid developmental big-man option.
Group 4 - Anything left in the tank?
Bismack Biyombo
There’s a chance Biyombo deserves to be on the “legitimately intriguing options” list, but the fact that the Phoenix Suns didn’t bring him back is odd. He’s been solid for them the past two seasons, yet they let him walk when they most needed depth. Having Biyombo play behind Williams at the center spot wouldn’t be a terrible idea if he still has enough athleticism left.
Danny Green
Remember when everyone was upset that the Celtics lost out on the “Danny Green sweepstakes” to the Cleveland Cavaliers last season? Well, here’s their chance to make up for it, should they choose to do so. At worst, Green would bring a veteran presence without playing real minutes, and at best, he’s able to make some shots.
JaMychal Green
Green quietly played a decent role for the Warriors this past season, sometimes eclipsing Jonathan Kuminga in the rotation. He’s a bit undersized for the center spot, but he’s prone to a few hot shooting nights. Having him as a fourth or fifth-string big couldn’t hurt.
Terrence Ross
It feels like the Celtics were mentioned as a destination for Ross for years, so we might as well throw him on this list. After finally leaving the Orlando Magic this past year, Ross was solid in the regular season for Phoenix, but his shooting splits trailed off in his limited playoff minutes.
Group 5 - Vibes guys
Blake Griffin
The ultimate locker room presence. Griffin established himself as a fan and team favorite in Boston this past season, as seemingly everyone on the roster had something positive to say about the Bus One Boys leader. Recent rumblings have indicated that the team could wait until right before the season begins to bring him back, but it would be a fun addition if they do.
Boban Marjanovic
There’s a chance that Marjanovic could give the Celtics limited center minutes next to Kornet, but the latter is more likely to get significant run. If Boston did bring in Marjanovic, it would likely be for deep center depth and, as the group name indicates, the vibes.
I would bring Blake Griffin back...
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Post by Admin on Sept 5, 2023 12:51:08 GMT -5
IMO, Oubre and wood can make more money over seas if no one offers them a MLE type deal. That what I would do for a year anyway, Watford is interesting, but that fact that Portland told him to go away may be telling.Blake may be the best who would be willing to play for the peanuts Boston has.
Per SB Nation/Netsdaily:
Portland’s decision to cut Watford at the start of free agency on June 30 was a mystery to many NBA pundits considering his age and developing skills. Equally surprising to those same pundits was how long Watford has been on the open market.
Blazers’ Edge, our SB Nation sister site, reported that Watford was simply caught in a numbers game.
A 6’9” forward, Watford was known for his work ethic and consistency on the floor. He was sandwiched in the rotation by starter Jerami Grant, a proven veteran with three-point range and Jabari Walker, a second young hopeful looking to make a name for himself. Watford could not duplicate Grant’s agility or range on the floor. Walker’s presence caused the Trail Blazers to choose between two players at essentially the same position fitting the same archetype. Portland went with Walker, releasing Watford earlier in the summer. Watford now gets another chance in Brooklyn.
Admin Comment: Watford's 1 yr deal is non-guaranteed. According to Netsdaily - Like Darius Bazley, signed last month, Watford is non-guaranteed, raising speculation that the two similar-sized players may be in competition for a roster spot. No details have been made public about Watford’s deal, but Bazley will be guaranteed $200,000 if he is still on the Opening Night roster on October 24, then be guaranteed $700,000 on December 15. All partial and non-guaranteed deals become fully guaranteed on January 10. So should Watford lose out to Bazley he'll be available but the C's would have to take him w/o any look during training camp unless cut weeks before the season begins. If available he might be preferable to Stevens for #15 should Griffin not want back in.
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