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Post by drewski6 on May 5, 2023 22:35:38 GMT -5
Theres a difference between best player to ever play for the Celtics and best Celtic ever.
Bird prob is the best player to ever play for the Celtics. You just cant argue with back-to-back-to-back (3 peat) as NBA league MVP.
But Pierce is the best Celtic ever.
Best ever players to wear Celtics green: Bird, Russell, KG, Pierce, Tatum/Brown (its splitting hairs)
Best ever Celtics: Pierce, Bird, Russell, Tatum/Brown (its splitting hairs)
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Post by elvissurfs on May 5, 2023 22:40:12 GMT -5
If this is a "suck" game for Tatum when he has 27 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block, imagine if Tatum just has a good game. It's true JB did the heavy lifting for 3 quarters, but as usual, when it was winning time, Tatum stole the show! As annoying as you are, I might have to agree with that!...errr...
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Post by elvissurfs on May 5, 2023 22:42:45 GMT -5
It may not look it right now, but Jayson Tatum will be what Tom Brady was to New England for 2 decades. This is just the start of greater things to come. That would be awesome...and I will give you full props!...
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2023 22:54:32 GMT -5
It's not a question of Tatum or Brown.
This is a case and usually is where Fierce is trying to credit Tatum entirely for the win by pumping up the significance of what he did in the final 2-3 minutes of this game.
The game outcome would not have been impacted had Tatum not scored any of his 7pts in the final minutes so they weren't and shouldn't be construed as clutch baskets. If Brogdon, Smart, White or Brown did so, nobody here would be crowing that they won the game in clutch fashion but Fierce does this constantly.
And generally after someone has indicated disappointment in Tatum's game, Fierce is always there trying to credit Tatum and discredit the poster/s that were critical of Tatum.
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Post by cole on May 5, 2023 23:01:10 GMT -5
It's not a question of Tatum or Brown. This is a case and usually is where Fierce is trying to credit Tatum entirely for the win by pumping up the significance of what he did in the final 2-3 minutes of this game. The game outcome would not have been impacted had Tatum not scored any of his 7pts in the final minutes so they weren't and shouldn't be construed as clutch baskets. If Brogdon, Smart, White or Brown did so, nobody here would be crowing that they won the game in clutch fashion but Fierce does this constantly. And generally after someone has indicated disappointment in Tatum's game, Fierce is always there trying to credit Tatum and discredit the poster/s that were critical of Tatum. Like pud does with smart but not as funny?
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Post by Cabutan on May 5, 2023 23:15:43 GMT -5
Is more the shoving up Tatum to everyone that bothers me and if one is not on board then the name calling begins. Anti Tatum,doubters, toxic fans, a hater or not a fan. Is like a brainwashing machine. Or in this case to call up some great last minute shooting which I admit as if it was the Savior when the Celtics were ahead in the first place and the tendencies showed that the Celtics had already bagged the game. The also calling of "no one said that the game was won" why is there always a competition? Or "if it wasn't claimed then one missed it". Geez.
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Post by drewski6 on May 6, 2023 0:21:30 GMT -5
It's not a question of Tatum or Brown. This is a case and usually is where Fierce is trying to credit Tatum entirely for the win by pumping up the significance of what he did in the final 2-3 minutes of this game. The game outcome would not have been impacted had Tatum not scored any of his 7pts in the final minutes so they weren't and shouldn't be construed as clutch baskets. If Brogdon, Smart, White or Brown did so, nobody here would be crowing that they won the game in clutch fashion but Fierce does this constantly. And generally after someone has indicated disappointment in Tatum's game, Fierce is always there trying to credit Tatum and discredit the poster/s that were critical of Tatum. That may be the case, but..... In my opinion, there is no debate in my mind over whether or not Tatum is "clutch" .... he is, and the reason he is (just my opinion) is the reason why some here dont love him (not to imply theres anything wrong with that)....But the reason that I allude to (why some dont love him, and why I believe he's clutch)....is the lack of giving a F. To me, to be clutch, you need to approach a game 7 like you would approach the seventh game of the regular season. Just another game. The guys who dwell on the moment (generally) are the guys who get lost in their own heads and try to do too much. Or get so caught up in how important a game (or a shot) is ....that they end up choking. The guys who tend to shine in huge games are generally the guys who go about it professionally and not emotionally. They'll take the last shot of the game, as if its any other shot. They'll treat game 7 like its any other game. The moment doesnt matter. The bright lights do not matter. Thats why they say clutch players have "ice in the veins" as opposed to "fire in the veins". Last year, I honestly believe Tatums shoulders bothered him. This year, I predict we'll see some of that JT "clutch" that I feel exists. Obviously, I dont know for sure and could be wrong. But I do feel like he's an elite player in the NBA and has what it takes (lack of emotion) to shine in the biggest moments. We'll see.
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Post by drewski6 on May 6, 2023 0:23:40 GMT -5
...the best is yet to come
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Post by sfbosfan on May 6, 2023 0:42:37 GMT -5
I wish I had the confidence we were going to win with a 10 pt lead 1st Qtr that we lost and we actually got behind by 3pts. Then we got the 10 pt lead back and I agree they struggled trying to tie us and we actually got to 90-77 and I felt we could pull away to a 20+ pt lead but they kept widdling us down. Fortunately too, it seemed Embiid felt he didn't have the help needed so tried to do it himself and tired himself out. I thought I saw a stat that Harden was 5-28 past 2 games. It got to 100-96 at the 3 1/2 min mark and this was the key shot, I think, Brogdon hit a 3 to go up 7 but if he misses and they make they would really have the momentum. Then Horford hits a 3 and we are pretty safe with a 10 pt lead and they get a 2 but now Tatum hits a Dagger 3. I cannot say it was Tatum in the last few minutes that gave us the victory. I reiterate that Brogdon's 3 when we only had a 4 pt lead was the turning point to our victory.
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Post by puddin on May 6, 2023 5:44:35 GMT -5
Unlike Florida where it is not perfectly OKAY to use a certain word in the classroom...
in this friendly forum, it should be perfectly OKAY to say "Jay(son)" and to sing his praises!
Besides, Jay's cute-as-a-button son Deuce absolutely stole the show last night in the after-game interview.
Pud
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 6, 2023 5:54:32 GMT -5
Kevin McHale only made 1st team All-NBA once. JT making his 2nd 1st team All-NBA puts JT in the class of Larry Bird. I will fully give you that Tatum is in Larry Legend's class. He does have work to do; however, before he is in Pierce's class.
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 6, 2023 5:58:06 GMT -5
Theres a difference between best player to ever play for the Celtics and best Celtic ever. Bird prob is the best player to ever play for the Celtics. You just cant argue with back-to-back-to-back (3 peat) as NBA league MVP. But Pierce is the best Celtic ever. Best ever players to wear Celtics green: Bird, Russell, KG, Pierce, Tatum/Brown (its splitting hairs) Best ever Celtics: Pierce, Bird, Russell, Tatum/Brown (its splitting hairs) As much as I enjoy your posts, this one makes zero sense. They play the same position. Bird is a top 10 player of all time. Pierce is not. Bird played his entire career here, Pierce did not. We could argue that the reason we have Brown and Tatum is because Pierce got traded. But, if he's the best player, he's the best Celtic. Bird or Russell, take your pick. Loved Pierce, but only one ring...
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Post by Cabutan on May 6, 2023 8:35:03 GMT -5
It's not a question of Tatum or Brown. This is a case and usually is where Fierce is trying to credit Tatum entirely for the win by pumping up the significance of what he did in the final 2-3 minutes of this game. The game outcome would not have been impacted had Tatum not scored any of his 7pts in the final minutes so they weren't and shouldn't be construed as clutch baskets. If Brogdon, Smart, White or Brown did so, nobody here would be crowing that they won the game in clutch fashion but Fierce does this constantly. And generally after someone has indicated disappointment in Tatum's game, Fierce is always there trying to credit Tatum and discredit the poster/s that were critical of Tatum. That may be the case, but..... In my opinion, there is no debate in my mind over whether or not Tatum is "clutch" .... he is, and the reason he is (just my opinion) is the reason why some here dont love him (not to imply theres anything wrong with that)....But the reason that I allude to (why some dont love him, and why I believe he's clutch)....is the lack of giving a F. To me, to be clutch, you need to approach a game 7 like you would approach the seventh game of the regular season. Just another game. The guys who dwell on the moment (generally) are the guys who get lost in their own heads and try to do too much. Or get so caught up in how important a game (or a shot) is ....that they end up choking. The guys who tend to shine in huge games are generally the guys who go about it professionally and not emotionally. They'll take the last shot of the game, as if its any other shot. They'll treat game 7 like its any other game. The moment doesnt matter. The bright lights do not matter. Thats why they say clutch players have "ice in the veins" as opposed to "fire in the veins". Last year, I honestly believe Tatums shoulders bothered him. This year, I predict we'll see some of that JT "clutch" that I feel exists. Obviously, I dont know for sure and could be wrong. But I do feel like he's an elite player in the NBA and has what it takes (lack of emotion) to shine in the biggest moments. We'll see. you know how many games he choked in last season's playoffs? Already in this playoffs he choked a few times against Atlanta and was MIA in a game in this series.he has yet won anything to even spell the name Bird. I don't even think he can make players around him better!! He could if he wanted to. Is not for lack of skills for sure.
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Post by cole on May 6, 2023 8:50:18 GMT -5
I think Tatum is on a level with Pierce but Bird?
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Post by Admin on May 6, 2023 9:03:17 GMT -5
I wish I had the confidence we were going to win with a 10 pt lead 1st Qtr that we lost and we actually got behind by 3pts. Then we got the 10 pt lead back and I agree they struggled trying to tie us and we actually got to 90-77 and I felt we could pull away to a 20+ pt lead but they kept widdling us down. Fortunately too, it seemed Embiid felt he didn't have the help needed so tried to do it himself and tired himself out. I thought I saw a stat that Harden was 5-28 past 2 games. It got to 100-96 at the 3 1/2 min mark and this was the key shot, I think, Brogdon hit a 3 to go up 7 but if he misses and they make they would really have the momentum. Then Horford hits a 3 and we are pretty safe with a 10 pt lead and they get a 2 but now Tatum hits a Dagger 3. I cannot say it was Tatum in the last few minutes that gave us the victory. I reiterate that Brogdon's 3 when we only had a 4 pt lead was the turning point to our victory.
Agreed ... I thought Horford's 3 was the dagger myself.
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Post by puddin on May 6, 2023 9:13:16 GMT -5
I think Tatum is on a level with Pierce but Bird? If you may remember, fierce came to be a Celtic fan at the very end of the Bird era.
Pud
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Post by Admin on May 6, 2023 9:36:31 GMT -5
From the main page:Of course the Celtics would like to spoil that celebration and continue to own the Sixers by tightening the screws on defense as they did in Game #2. Defending the perimeter and shutting down Harden again puts more pressure on Embiid's inside game. Limiting turnovers and rebounding along with an up tempo pace will force Doc to rest Joel who is not yet in game shape for much more than 30 minutes/game. Once again, unless Doc has devised a new offensive strategy, Grant Williams could be a key to hindering their perimeter shooting and Pritchard can help sustain the pace if our tandem of Smart, White & Brogdon get in foul trouble or need a rest. I'm counting on a monster game from Tatum and moar of the same from Brown and Brogdon. If either of White, Rob or Al become significant contributors all the better!
SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!
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Post by drewski6 on May 6, 2023 10:03:31 GMT -5
I think Tatum is on a level with Pierce but Bird? If you may remember, fierce came to be a Celtic fan at the very end of the Bird era.
Pud
So did I.
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Post by drboogiebone on May 6, 2023 10:49:56 GMT -5
Tatum is kinda like Kobe in a way. Tons of shots, no efficiency. That's why he gets the numbers he does... ala Kobe. He's just not clutch... yet. Plus, I think they go to him too much in the clutch instead of giving Brown more opportunities (which may cost us resigning Jaylen). He's a slow starter as we've all seen. Jayson takes too many bad shots and is inconsistent defensively. Every early step-back 3 he takes early in the shot clock, without testing the waters first, is a bad shot. Even the ones he makes. It's just not smart offense. It's selfish. I get on him a lot due to his turnovers and poor decision making (like trying to dribble through 2/3 defenders cause he's ahead on the break), (or holding on to the ball for too long), but HOPEFULLY... that will work itself out with more experience. Provided he can pull his head out of his arse and show he's still teachable. The one thing I love, that's consistent about his game... the rebounding. Very solid rebounder. NOT a superstar in my opinion, but he has the tools there if he can continue to learn this pro chess game.
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Post by elvissurfs on May 6, 2023 12:23:55 GMT -5
Tatum is kinda like Kobe in a way. Tons of shots, no efficiency. That's why he gets the numbers he does... ala Kobe. He's just not clutch... yet. Plus, I think they go to him too much in the clutch instead of giving Brown more opportunities (which may cost us resigning Jaylen). He's a slow starter as we've all seen. Jayson takes too many bad shots and is inconsistent defensively. Every early step-back 3 he takes early in the shot clock, without testing the waters first, is a bad shot. Even the ones he makes. It's just not smart offense. It's selfish. I get on him a lot due to his turnovers and poor decision making (like trying to dribble through 2/3 defenders cause he's ahead on the break), (or holding on to the ball for too long), but HOPEFULLY... that will work itself out with more experience. Provided he can pull his head out of his arse and show he's still teachable. The one thing I love, that's consistent about his game... the rebounding. Very solid rebounder. NOT a superstar in my opinion, but he has the tools there if he can continue to learn this pro chess game. Well, I would have to say that JT is very much a superstar already...so far as the NBA is concerned at least...but I do agree that JB should be getting more opportunies to come thru on the last shot...if nothing else, just to keep the opponents guessing...
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Post by puddin on May 6, 2023 13:08:37 GMT -5
If you may remember, fierce came to be a Celtic fan at the very end of the Bird era.
Pud
So did I. The point I would like to stress is that one should be very cautious comparing an emerging and very talented JT with Bird, particularly if one has little first hand knowledge of the LB era.
Said another way, if you were a 40 year Celtic fan instead of a 30 year Celtic fan, you might not be inclined to make a comparison at all.
Pud
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Post by cole on May 6, 2023 14:32:28 GMT -5
Even worse is the best low-post scorer in history only making one all-nba team!
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Post by Miss Manners on May 6, 2023 19:32:01 GMT -5
Tatum is kinda like Kobe in a way. Tons of shots, no efficiency. That's why he gets the numbers he does... ala Kobe. He's just not clutch... yet. Plus, I think they go to him too much in the clutch instead of giving Brown more opportunities (which may cost us resigning Jaylen). He's a slow starter as we've all seen. Jayson takes too many bad shots and is inconsistent defensively. Every early step-back 3 he takes early in the shot clock, without testing the waters first, is a bad shot. Even the ones he makes. It's just not smart offense. It's selfish. I get on him a lot due to his turnovers and poor decision making (like trying to dribble through 2/3 defenders cause he's ahead on the break), (or holding on to the ball for too long), but HOPEFULLY... that will work itself out with more experience. Provided he can pull his head out of his arse and show he's still teachable. The one thing I love, that's consistent about his game... the rebounding. Very solid rebounder. NOT a superstar in my opinion, but he has the tools there if he can continue to learn this pro chess game. Doc is 100% in his analysis To the two youngins here especially the annoying pest Fierce. The accumulation of wisdom appears to be nature’s form of compensation for the body’s insistence to age. Memory worsens as we get older, but research also suggests that our strategy for the way that we process thoughts and information changes for the better. Older decision makers make significantly better choices by using their pre-frontal cortex, where more rational, deliberative thinking is controlled. Scans of the brain reveal that younger adults typically employ just a single hemisphere to solve a particular problem, while older people will usually both parts of their noggins simultaneously- a process termed “bilateralization.”
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Post by cole on May 6, 2023 19:35:06 GMT -5
The point I would like to stress is that one should be very cautious comparing an emerging and very talented JT with Bird, particularly if one has little first hand knowledge of the LB era.
Said another way, if you were a 40 year Celtic fan instead of a 30 year Celtic fan, you might not be inclined to make a comparison at all.
Pud
I started the year he and magic played in college. Maybe 79? 44 years ago? I was 12
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Post by elvissurfs on May 6, 2023 20:05:21 GMT -5
The point I would like to stress is that one should be very cautious comparing an emerging and very talented JT with Bird, particularly if one has little first hand knowledge of the LB era.
Said another way, if you were a 40 year Celtic fan instead of a 30 year Celtic fan, you might not be inclined to make a comparison at all.
Pud
I started the year he and magic played in college. Maybe 79? 44 years ago? I was 12 That's cool...I was born into it, Dorchester...I remember Bird being drafted...was staying at my grandparents in Dorchester and saw on TV one morning a story about Bird going jogging, new to town, and he got lost...he flagged down a guy who drove him home...of course the guy told friends and he got on the news...picked up and helped out the Hick from French Lick...
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