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Post by Admin on Nov 6, 2023 15:19:59 GMT -5
Former Celtics center suffers knee injury with Blazers
By Brian Robb | brobb@masslive.com
Former Celtics center Robert Williams left Sunday’s game against the Grizzlies with a knee injury. The Blazers backup center left the game at the 10:14 mark of the fourth quarter and was ruled out by the team a short time afterwards in a 112-100 home loss.
Williams suffered the injury while defending Jaren Jackson Jr by the paint. Williams fell to the floor while grabbing at his right knee. He stayed in the game for one more possession with a limp before he was subbed out by coach Chauncey Billups.
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Post by Admin on Nov 6, 2023 18:20:50 GMT -5
Lots of talk about potential #1 NFL draft pick Caleb Williams crying in his momma's arms after the SC loss to WA ... pay attention to this video clip - I'm almost certain that I spotted Pud just above Caleb's momma at the top left. You be the judge:
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Post by puddin on Nov 6, 2023 18:47:09 GMT -5
Lots of talk about potential #1 NFL draft pick Caleb Williams crying in his momma's arms after the SC loss to WA ... pay attention to this video clip - I'm almost certain that I spotted Pud just above Caleb's momma at the top left. You be the judge:
Busted........!
Pud
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Post by dfries13 on Nov 6, 2023 19:05:51 GMT -5
Lots of talk about potential #1 NFL draft pick Caleb Williams crying in his momma's arms after the SC loss to WA ... pay attention to this video clip - I'm almost certain that I spotted Pud just above Caleb's momma at the top left. You be the judge:
Pud wishes more likely. Williams is out .......surgery on the knee.. Not the one he had surgery on last year. Williams career is all but over i suspect.. Portland's smart move. Buy him out..
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Post by Admin on Nov 6, 2023 20:07:51 GMT -5
Lots of talk about potential #1 NFL draft pick Caleb Williams crying in his momma's arms after the SC loss to WA ... pay attention to this video clip - I'm almost certain that I spotted Pud just above Caleb's momma at the top left. You be the judge:
Pud wishes more likely. Williams is out .......surgery on the knee.. Not the one he had surgery on last year. Williams career is all but over i suspect.. Portland's smart move. Buy him out..
Looks like Opie sold high while most complained about giving him up with Brogs for Jrue. Opie did good and dodged a bullet for sure!
Per hoopsrumors.com
6:15pm: Williams is facing potential season-ending surgery to repair bone and ligament damage in his right kneecap, Shams Charania and Jared Weiss of The Athletic report (Twitter link). Alternatively, Williams could choose a cleanup procedure with a 2-3 month timetable.
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Post by dfries13 on Nov 6, 2023 20:42:21 GMT -5
Pud wishes more likely. Williams is out .......surgery on the knee.. Not the one he had surgery on last year. Williams career is all but over i suspect.. Portland's smart move. Buy him out..
Looks like Opie sold high while most complained about giving him up with Brogs for Jrue. Opie did good and dodged a bullet for sure!
Per hoopsrumors.com
6:15pm: Williams is facing potential season-ending surgery to repair bone and ligament damage in his right kneecap, Shams Charania and Jared Weiss of The Athletic report (Twitter link). Alternatively, Williams could choose a cleanup procedure with a 2-3 month timetable.
I wasn't one of the complainers. Williams is all but done and Opie was right to move him. Brogdon most likely traded before the season is over Portland is in full rebuild mode..
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 7, 2023 12:04:25 GMT -5
Looks like Opie sold high while most complained about giving him up with Brogs for Jrue. Opie did good and dodged a bullet for sure!
Per hoopsrumors.com
6:15pm: Williams is facing potential season-ending surgery to repair bone and ligament damage in his right kneecap, Shams Charania and Jared Weiss of The Athletic report (Twitter link). Alternatively, Williams could choose a cleanup procedure with a 2-3 month timetable.
I wasn't one of the complainers. Williams is all but done and Opie was right to move him. Brogdon most likely traded before the season is over Portland is in full rebuild mode.. nope you werent complaining about that move, other than noting that a 2 for 1 hurts our depth - and you were right about that.
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 8, 2023 9:34:10 GMT -5
Just saw this about RWill...guess I am a bit behind the times...he is one of my favorite players in the game, such a shame...
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Post by cole on Nov 8, 2023 11:12:24 GMT -5
Regardless of this injury, the Rob Williams we remember from his sophomore campaign has been gone for 2 years. He relies totally on athleticism, but he wasn't in shape. We were lucky to let him go.
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 8, 2023 11:37:12 GMT -5
Regardless of this injury, the Rob Williams we remember from his sophomore campaign has been gone for 2 years. He relies totally on athleticism, but he wasn't in shape. We were lucky to let him go. Of the 3 we let go , Grant is the one I'd most want back!
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 8, 2023 13:24:39 GMT -5
Regardless of this injury, the Rob Williams we remember from his sophomore campaign has been gone for 2 years. He relies totally on athleticism, but he wasn't in shape. We were lucky to let him go. Of the 3 we let go , Grant is the one I'd most want back! Brogdon for me, considering that PP hasnt grasped the opportunity that he's had. But Id take Grant for wing depth also.
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Post by cole on Nov 8, 2023 15:02:19 GMT -5
Of the 3 we let go , Grant is the one I'd most want back! Brogdon for me, considering that PP hasnt grasped the opportunity that he's had. But Id take Grant for wing depth also. I don't know how we could feed brogs if we did have him back. There's just not that many shots to go around.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Nov 9, 2023 7:21:04 GMT -5
The way our bench is performing, I'd take any of the three, Jeff Green, Carmelo Anthony, DeMarcus Cousins, Jamal Crawford or TJ Warren. Hell, bring back Nesmith!!
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 9, 2023 10:21:51 GMT -5
Well, Brogdon is hurt again! I'd still like to see what Svi and Lamar Stevens can do. Give Svi Pritchards minutes and Stevens some of Al's. When Tatum is on the floor we outscore opponents by 20.8 per 100 possessions, when Tatum is on the bench we get outscored by 4.9 per 100 possessions. Someone from the bench has to step up.
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Post by kdp59 on Nov 10, 2023 8:25:52 GMT -5
Regardless of this injury, the Rob Williams we remember from his sophomore campaign has been gone for 2 years. He relies totally on athleticism, but he wasn't in shape. We were lucky to let him go. Of the 3 we let go , Grant is the one I'd most want back! shoulda, coulda kept him. it only cost them the salary and the extra tax. short sighted move, even if they didn't want Grant long term. his 12M salary could have been a very movable piece in a trade at the deadline this season if nothing else. here is a partial list of players who's salary would match in a Grant trade this year Kelly O D. Gafford J. Wiseman Herb Jones-my pick B. Portis R. Covington Coby White D. Divincenzo A. Burk L. Nance Monte Morris any from that list could help our weak ass bench at the least, which wouldn't have been as weak if they just matched Grants' offer.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 10, 2023 11:02:53 GMT -5
Of the 3 we let go , Grant is the one I'd most want back! shoulda, coulda kept him. it only cost them the salary and the extra tax. short sighted move, even if they didn't want Grant long term. his 12M salary could have been a very movable piece in a trade at the deadline this season if nothing else. here is a partial list of players who's salary would match in a Grant trade this year Kelly O D. Gafford J. Wiseman Herb Jones-my pick B. Portis R. Covington Coby White D. Divincenzo A. Burk L. Nance Monte Morris any from that list could help our weak ass bench at the least, which wouldn't have been as weak if they just matched Grants' offer. Okay but according to this plan, using Grant to match -we'd still be taking on money and incurring 40M in penalties alone. Not saying we shouldnt have done it, heck, not my money.... However, keep in mind we did acquire a 6.5M TPE and multiple seconds from trading Grant. So because of the S+T we actually did get resources to make an in season move. The only difference is we can only target a 6.5M player, but the difference in 6.5m and 12 is like 30m because the penalties. I dont fully disagree with you and respect you a lot. But Id rather have the conversation centered on: whom can we acquire using our bevvy of seconds and the 6.5M TPE then what we would have hypothetically been able to do if we had Grants full salary for matching. Its worth noting that our best bench player has been Hauser who overlaps w Grant (granted not entirely).
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 10, 2023 11:03:28 GMT -5
And we also got like 1 or 2 seconds and a swap.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 10, 2023 12:16:56 GMT -5
Whats the rule on using the TPE to obtain a player and then aggregating that player with other players for a salary match?
I assume the limitation is based on time? As in after acquiring player x , you cant aggregate his salary with other players (or trade him at all) for [not sure how many] days.
If its like a month, then I thikn we'd be able to acquire a 6.5M unplayable player for practically nothing (conditional second). Wait out the moratorium window (1 month?) and then combine that player w other salaries and picks for a better player.
edit: strikethrough added. Learned after posting that the restriction only prohibits using the acquired the player in a combo package (for 60 days). Can trade a traded-for player immediately as long as his contract is not being aggregated. I think they have a term for that. Its like a delayed 3 team deal in essence. A staggered 3 team deal.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 10, 2023 12:19:31 GMT -5
note: just checked, its 60 days. And now that ive clarified in my head - to clarify above post, the moratorium is just for salary aggregation.
So trade for player x, can trade him immediately.
But if want to combine him w other contracts for matching purposes (salary aggregation) - have to wait 60 days after acquiring player x.
Not sure theres much out there for ~6.5M that can help.
But if you get a 6.5M stiff now (using TPE) and wait 60 days, you can combine w other players to increase money you can take back. Of course, this would balloon the luxury bill.
But its an option.
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Post by Admin on Nov 10, 2023 12:57:42 GMT -5
Why do that when you can trade the TPE pickup with some draft picks for an upgrade?
I don't believe the matching contract penalty for over the 2nd apron goes into effect until next season.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 10, 2023 13:05:01 GMT -5
Why do that when you can trade the TPE pickup with some draft picks for an upgrade? I don't believe the matching contract penalty for over the 2nd apron goes into effect until next season. Because there are better players available in the 9-12M salary range. If you trade just picks, you are limited to a guy making 6.5M or less (Grant TPE). If you use the 6.5M exception today and get a 6.5M scrub who is completely unplayable..... In 60 days you can combine that scrub with other salaries (Kornet, Pritch, whomever) and get player(s) making more (picks would still go in this deal). Pretty much you are increasing the luxury tax bill to expand the universe of whom you could acquire. You are correct that the matching penalties go into effect next year, where you cant aggregate at all if over the second apron. Assuming over second apron, this is the last year you can do something like this. Pick up a scrub just to hold him and wait out the 60 days so you can combine his salary w others for matching.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 10, 2023 13:07:08 GMT -5
Why do that when you can trade the TPE pickup with some draft picks for an upgrade? I don't believe the matching contract penalty for over the 2nd apron goes into effect until next season. There just arent that many 6.5M players whom we can realistically acquire that are good. It woud have to be a serviceable vet on a bad team making around 6.5 and I just cant find any. The bad teams are not going to trade you guys on rookie contracts. We've knocked around these proposals in the past and it just never happens.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 10, 2023 13:08:29 GMT -5
You want to deal with a bad team. And on the bad teams Im checking, the guys making 6.5M are 23 and under.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 10, 2023 13:10:05 GMT -5
But if you can up that to say 10,11 million, there are plenty of serviceable vets on bad teams making that. They jsut rarely make under 9.
Im ears if you have any.
But good teams arent going to trade talent that they are using. And bad teams are not going to trade you young players. So you need a vet on a bad team if you want a guy who is gonna actually make an impact (vs like a muscala).
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 10, 2023 13:16:29 GMT -5
Show me some solid bench players (or starters on their current teams) on bad teams that are making 6.5M and are 26 or older, and Im all ears. Maybe youll have better luck then i did.
Note: I came full circle on this. I started off disagreeing w KDP with my initial post on this rabbit hole. I was like "yeah but we got a 6.5M TPE and seconds" so we can still get help.
Then I realized I had trouble finding players. I was going to rebut KDPs post with a list of 6.5M realistic players who can help. Then I realized I couldnt find any. Then I kind of u-turned.
But again, maybe you have some ppl in mind and im all ears. But no "he has a big body" (and nothing else). The muscalas will come here and sit. No guys on good teams (they wont trade em to you for just picks). No guys under 25 (they wont trade em to you).
It has to be an actually good bench player on a bad team making 6.5M or less. And 26 or older. I changed course when I had trouble finding em.
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