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Post by kyceltic on Nov 27, 2021 13:18:07 GMT -5
The thing about trading the J's is no matter what two you bring back, the same pitifull supporting cast will still be in place! When Gwill and Langford are your best 3 point shooters, and your game plan is to shoot 3's you're in a world of Hurt! If we could trade all our bums for Murray, Patty Mills and Aldridge and sign G league guys we'd be a much better team than we are now! I'm not blaming IUD yet because we just don't have a good enough team for anyone to be a successful coach. Looks like Schroder is coming back down to 🌎. Not only Schroder, Horford had 4 points and 5 rebounds!
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 13:18:58 GMT -5
The thing about trading the J's is no matter what two you bring back, the same pitifull supporting cast will still be in place! When Gwill and Langford are your best 3 point shooters, and your game plan is to shoot 3's you're in a world of Hurt! If we could trade all our bums for Murray, Patty Mills and Aldridge and sign G league guys we'd be a much better team than we are now! I'm not blaming IUD yet because we just don't have a good enough team for anyone to be a successful coach. And if the Cs trade all our "bums" for a better bench, that bench is still saddled with a pair of immature, young, detached "sacred cows" who display not only a strong sense of entitlement but who may already be antsy to move on to higher wattage playing venues.
If what they say about fish also applies to franchise players and their ego-fueled pecking orders...
...well, in this case, it is a two headed fish...
...that may continue to stink up the joint.
Pud
Dislike Let them grow. I remember a much older Paul Pierce wearing a certain makeshift bandage that made Antoine Walker seem light years ahead of him in maturity.
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 13:20:20 GMT -5
I'm sure Pierce is older than the Jays here...
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 27, 2021 13:21:13 GMT -5
The thing about trading the J's is no matter what two you bring back, the same pitifull supporting cast will still be in place! When Gwill and Langford are your best 3 point shooters, and your game plan is to shoot 3's you're in a world of Hurt! If we could trade all our bums for Murray, Patty Mills and Aldridge and sign G league guys we'd be a much better team than we are now! I'm not blaming IUD yet because we just don't have a good enough team for anyone to be a successful coach. And if the Cs trade all our "bums" for a better bench, that bench is still saddled with a pair of immature, young, detached "sacred cows" who display not only a strong sense of entitlement but who may already be antsy to move on to higher wattage playing venues.
If what they say about fish also applies to franchise players and their ego-fueled pecking orders...
...well, in this case, it is a two headed fish...
...that may continue to stink up the joint.
Pud
It's easier to find bums, than it is to find Stars!!
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 27, 2021 13:23:42 GMT -5
And if the Cs trade all our "bums" for a better bench, that bench is still saddled with a pair of immature, young, detached "sacred cows" who display not only a strong sense of entitlement but who may already be antsy to move on to higher wattage playing venues.
If what they say about fish also applies to franchise players and their ego-fueled pecking orders...
...well, in this case, it is a two headed fish...
...that may continue to stink up the joint.
Pud
Dislike Let them grow. I remember a much older Paul Pierce wearing a certain makeshift bandage that made Antoine Walker seem light years ahead of him in maturity. That's when he had that diaper on his head!! I never laughed so much!
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 13:27:35 GMT -5
Dislike Let them grow. I remember a much older Paul Pierce wearing a certain makeshift bandage that made Antoine Walker seem light years ahead of him in maturity. That's when he had that diaper on his head!! I never laughed so much! I think that was 2005. That would make him 2-3 years older than Brown and 4-5 years older than Tatum. Lets put this thing in perspective.
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Post by quagmire on Nov 27, 2021 13:35:41 GMT -5
What kills me is it has been years since the C’s had a true Veteran leader in the clubhouse. They REALLY NEED a true veteran professional to teach the J’s what it takes to be successful as players and as a team. Someone with a ring might help. A Chancy Billups type…..oh never mind
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 13:39:44 GMT -5
Looks like Schroder is coming back down to 🌎. Not only Schroder, Horford had 4 points and 5 rebounds! Horford was shooting 3's. That's what happens when they don't go in!
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 27, 2021 13:49:03 GMT -5
I still put most of the blame on Ainge! If he had only moved up a couple spots in the draft and drafted Tyler Herro, who's averaging over 21 points a game this year, our team would look a lot different! And we had the picks to do it, make no mistake about it!
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 14:00:55 GMT -5
Did I really see Tatum follow his missed 3-pointer and rebound and make the put back? I have NEVER seen that from Tatum. THAT is what he's missing and needs to do more of. That shocked the hell out of me. I almost choked!
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 14:03:23 GMT -5
Outside of Tatum and Brown, I'd give up any two Celtics players for the Spurs Murray. Any two Celtics players for Murray, I would not hesitate. I don't know. Having Al and RWill are kind of important to our defense when we play it
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 14:07:38 GMT -5
I think it's time to reset our expectations. We have to start being realistic. This IS NOT a good team. Let's face it, Tatum and Brown WILL NOT be leading us to any semblance of contention anytime soon. They just are not mature or mentally tough enough yet. And honestly, neither has the nightly consistent skills at this point in their careers. They are both just so inefficient from night to night. Tatum and Brown are more like Carmello and Joe Johnson than anything else. And outside of them, there is not one player who is someone you can consider a long-term piece for the Celtics. RWill would be the closest player fitting that bill but with his knee issues and being in and out of the lineup, it seems his value is falling by the week. Bottom line, we are going to see more bad basketball than good and maybe we need a year or two of being in the lottery to start to turn this thing around. Nobody is panicking. I just think it's time we start being realistic in our expectations.
Ok but does that mean keeping your powder (if we have any) dry till the trade deadline or next summer?
I think Brad should take advantage of any opportunity to add a player that becomes available asap no matter what position becomes available. If it's a PF rather than a PG or SG, so be it. Take what the market gives you if it's someone we need and fits our philosophy.
I don't want to be saving prospects and TPE's for improvements next year. We have too many holes to be fussy about who, when and how much ... make deals for hard-nosed, dependable, consistent ballers ASAP!
We HAVE to deal Schroder since we can't resign him. Trade him for a 1st round pick for this summer so we can package up and get Jabari Smith Jr!
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 14:08:49 GMT -5
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 14:09:17 GMT -5
Young Al Horford!
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 14:31:59 GMT -5
Schroder and our 1st round 2022 pick to Detroit for their 1st round 2022 pick.
Marcus and Pritchard then become the point guard rotation.
Whatever edge Schroder was going to give us would be temporary anyway.
Build the future.
Force the growth at PG for Smart and Pritchard.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 27, 2021 14:49:42 GMT -5
I am beginning to think that perhaps we have a player where everything stops. Because we do have better starting five than last season. But there is someone in this group that has been before and its just killing us. Dunno who it is.. but man. We are not contenders but we shouldnt be this bad.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 27, 2021 14:52:33 GMT -5
Schroder and our 1st round 2022 pick to Detroit for their 1st round 2022 pick. Marcus and Pritchard then become the point guard rotation. Whatever edge Schroder was going to give us would be temporary anyway. Build the future. Force the growth at PG for Smart and Pritchard. Forget Prtichard. I think we saw his best already. I would trade Pritchard. Sit Smart (let him finish games as well), Shroeder has been a better offensive player than Tatum. Start him. Let him handle the business tatum is afraid of.
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 14:56:52 GMT -5
Zone defense has eliminated premier matchups.
Like Magic vs Pippen or Jordan
Or Jordan vs Drexler
That doesn't exist anymore and IT SUCKS!
I would like to see Tatum vs Paul George all game and see who wins the matchup.
Non-existent since legal zones came back.
Or knowing a certain player can't guard one of your guys and expecting and planning for an expected double team.
We've had 20 years of NBA zone and it's time to switch it back already.
Zone defense is also the reason for increased pursuit of the boring 3ball offense.
It is the easiest way to beat zone.
One thing leads to another.
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 15:18:52 GMT -5
This is what I would like to see. This was also BEFORE the NBA fully embraced zone switching type defenses.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 27, 2021 15:20:14 GMT -5
Zone defense has eliminated premier matchups. Like Magic vs Pippen or Jordan Or Jordan vs Drexler That doesn't exist anymore and IT SUCKS! I would like to see Tatum vs Paul George all game and see who wins the matchup. Non-existent since legal zones came back. Or knowing a certain player can't guard one of your guys and expecting and planning for an expected double team. We've had 20 years of NBA zone and it's time to switch it back already. Zone defense is also the reason for increased pursuit of the boring 3ball offense. It is the easiest way to beat zone. One thing leads to another. Paul George hands down. He is not the better skilled of the two but he has a fight in him. Tatum lacks that. Actually Dejountae, Mitchell and other guys in the league, have that crap Tatum doesnt have. They want to win. They play aggressive all throughout. Tatum has a fight with refs. Thats the only fight he has in him. Its annoying. I am tired of the guy.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 27, 2021 15:22:47 GMT -5
We have been getting soft guys for the longest. This is going back into Ainge last years with us and Brad is gollowing through. We have Neismith but coach doesnt play him. We have smart but i think that guy could use a new scenery. We are a bunch of softies.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 27, 2021 15:25:29 GMT -5
Rozier was a bulldog, we let him go. Rob william as much as i like the guy, he is literally fragile and is also soft. You can tell. I saw better glimpses of that french kid we drafted (bergarin)than any of our guys except Jaylen. I am beginning to be so dissatisfied with this franchise. They are more worried about chemistry than putting hard playing guys.
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 15:26:39 GMT -5
We have been getting soft guys for the longest. This is going back into Ainge last years with us and Brad is gollowing through. We have Neismith but coach doesnt play him. We have smart but i think that guy could use a new scenery. We are a bunch of softies. I agree on the softness. I hope Ime can change that. It does start with the player. I do remember when one of the toughest players was soft though. It was the migraine version of Scottie Pippen versus the Pistons. Lets face it. He crapped his pants out of fear. But to his credit he didn't stay in that place mentally.
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 15:34:50 GMT -5
I would to see more evidence of player development.
Like Romeo gets in the game and gets to iso and create or run pick n roll.
Or Nesmith gets in and gets to iso or do something off of a curl or pin down or something designed for his skillset.
Same for Kanter.
When other guys get in its always the same offense.
That's bad.
The offense should change by opponent and personnel.
When we put Eddie House in the game we rightfully looked for him to catch and shoot and virtually nothing else. That was him at his best. The definition of ROLE player.
We are not doing that so much with our players now.
When our guys come off the bench, I don't really know what their role is.
I knew what Avery Bradley was going to give you.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 27, 2021 15:40:22 GMT -5
I would to see more evidence of player development. Like Romeo gets in the game and gets to iso and create or run pick n roll. Or Nesmith gets in and gets to iso or do something off of a curl or pin down or something designed for his skillset. Same for Kanter. When other guys get in its always the same offense. That's bad. The offense should change by opponent and personnel. When we put Eddie House in the game we rightfully looked for him to catch and shoot and virtually nothing else. That was him at his best. The definition of ROLE player. We are not doing that so much with our players now. When our guys come off the bench, I don't really know what their role is. I knew what Avery Bradley was going to give you. exactly
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