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Post by petey62 on Nov 27, 2021 0:23:45 GMT -5
I think it's time to reset our expectations. We have to start being realistic. This IS NOT a good team. Let's face it, Tatum and Brown WILL NOT be leading us to any semblance of contention anytime soon. They just are not mature or mentally tough enough yet. And honestly, neither has the nightly consistent skills at this point in their careers. They are both just so inefficient from night to night. Tatum and Brown are more like Carmello and Joe Johnson than anything else. And outside of them, there is not one player who is someone you can consider a long-term piece for the Celtics. RWill would be the closest player fitting that bill but with his knee issues and being in and out of the lineup, it seems his value is falling by the week. Bottom line, we are going to see more bad basketball than good and maybe we need a year or two of being in the lottery to start to turn this thing around. Nobody is panicking. I just think it's time we start being realistic in our expectations.
Ok but does that mean keeping your powder (if we have any) dry till the trade deadline or next summer?
I think Brad should take advantage of any opportunity to add a player that becomes available asap no matter what position becomes available. If it's a PF rather than a PG or SG, so be it. Take what the market gives you if it's someone we need and fits our philosophy.
I don't want to be saving prospects and TPE's for improvements next year. We have too many holes to be fussy about who, when and how much ... make deals for hard-nosed, dependable, consistent ballers ASAP!
No we don’t have ANY powder. If we can get a skilled shooter, we gotta get him. If we can upgrade at the PF spot, make the move. We need upgrades at every position outside of JT and JB. We just need them to make upgrades in their games. You’re right…..let’s do some 2 or 3 for 1 player trades. Let’s not waste our TPEs if we can UPGRADE the team utilizing them. What we need is a Chris Paul type, a veteran PG who can make JT and JB better AND hold them accountable.
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Post by quagmire on Nov 27, 2021 8:53:49 GMT -5
Either Brad was a much better coach than many of us gave him credit for or Ime sucks far worse than originally thought! I feel like Ime has a better team than Brad had last year but they have seriously regressed. Time for Wyc to start calling in some Celtics legends to do some serious one on one time with some individual players. Bird, Pierce, Havlicek, Russell, and any other team player. I really hope Tatum and Brown wake up this year when they DONT make the all star team, and realize it’s about making your teammates better, not individual PPG. I am disgusted with this team.
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Post by puddin on Nov 27, 2021 9:16:20 GMT -5
It may be time for Smarcus to call out our two sacred cows yet again.
After all, it was grit and defense that got the Cs back in this game.
Getting the Jays held accountable and up to speed and many problems immediately disappear.
Pud
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Post by kdp59 on Nov 27, 2021 9:40:55 GMT -5
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 27, 2021 9:42:59 GMT -5
6-7 on the road and this was the "easy" one ... just call this team "Sweet Jane."
Arrows of neon and flashing marquees out on main street.
Chicago, new york, detroit and its all on the same street.
Your typical city involved in a typical daydream
Hang it up and see what tomorrow brings.
Dallas, got a soft machine; houston, too close to new orleans;
New yorks got the ways and means; but just wont let you be, oh no.
Most of the cast that you meet on the streets speak of true love,
Most of the time theyre sittin and cryin at home.
One of these days they know they better get goin
Out of the door and down on the streets all alone.
Truckin, like the do-dah man. once told me youve got to play your hand
Sometimes your cards aint worth a dime, if you dont layem down,
Sometimes the lights all shinin on me;
Other times I can barely see.
Lately it occurs to me what a long, strange trip its been.
What in the world ever became of sweet jane?
She lost her sparkle, you know she isnt the same
Livin on reds, vitamin c, and cocaine,
All a friend can say is aint it a shame?
Truckin, up to buffalo. been thinkin, you got to mellow slow
Takes time, you pick a place to go, and just keep truckin on.
Sittin and starin out of the hotel window.
Got a tip theyre gonna kick the door in again
Id like to get some sleep before I travel,
But if you got a warrant, I guess youre gonna come in.
Busted, down on bourbon street, set up, like a bowlin pin.
Knocked down, it gets to wearin thin. they just wont let you be, oh no.
Youre sick of hangin around and youd like to travel;
Get tired of travelin and you want to settle down.
I guess they cant revoke your soul for tryin,
Get out of the door and light out and look all around.
Sometimes the lights all shinin on me;
Other times I can barely see.
Lately it occurs to me what a long, strange trip its been.
Truckin, Im a goin home. whoa whoa baby, back where I belong,
Back home, sit down and patch my bones, and get back truckin on.
Hey now get back truckin home.
Yes indeed, this team has lost its sparkle...teases us a bit with some shine, and then it is back to being a shame...
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 27, 2021 9:45:36 GMT -5
I think it's time to reset our expectations. We have to start being realistic. This IS NOT a good team. Let's face it, Tatum and Brown WILL NOT be leading us to any semblance of contention anytime soon. They just are not mature or mentally tough enough yet. And honestly, neither has the nightly consistent skills at this point in their careers. They are both just so inefficient from night to night. Tatum and Brown are more like Carmello and Joe Johnson than anything else. And outside of them, there is not one player who is someone you can consider a long-term piece for the Celtics. RWill would be the closest player fitting that bill but with his knee issues and being in and out of the lineup, it seems his value is falling by the week. Bottom line, we are going to see more bad basketball than good and maybe we need a year or two of being in the lottery to start to turn this thing around. Nobody is panicking. I just think it's time we start being realistic in our expectations.
Ok but does that mean keeping your powder (if we have any) dry till the trade deadline or next summer?
I think Brad should take advantage of any opportunity to add a player that becomes available asap no matter what position becomes available. If it's a PF rather than a PG or SG, so be it. Take what the market gives you if it's someone we need and fits our philosophy.
I don't want to be saving prospects and TPE's for improvements next year. We have too many holes to be fussy about who, when and how much ... make deals for hard-nosed, dependable, consistent ballers ASAP!
Yep, and meanwhile time ticks away on the J's contracts...
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Post by kdp59 on Nov 27, 2021 9:59:38 GMT -5
Ok but does that mean keeping your powder (if we have any) dry till the trade deadline or next summer?
I think Brad should take advantage of any opportunity to add a player that becomes available asap no matter what position becomes available. If it's a PF rather than a PG or SG, so be it. Take what the market gives you if it's someone we need and fits our philosophy.
I don't want to be saving prospects and TPE's for improvements next year. We have too many holes to be fussy about who, when and how much ... make deals for hard-nosed, dependable, consistent ballers ASAP!
Yep, and meanwhile time ticks away on the J's contracts... might have to consider we as Celtic fans have bought into fools gold with Tatum and/or Brown also.
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 27, 2021 10:32:49 GMT -5
This article has a great video with Chris Forsberg talking with Dan Shaughnessy about how it was traveling with the team back in the 80's...as opposed to now, when the reporters arent even allowed in the locker room...it is a long video, but really interesting...I might even buy Shank's book... www.yahoo.com/sports/watch-dan-shaughnessy-cover-larry-100042949.html
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 27, 2021 10:38:38 GMT -5
Yep, and meanwhile time ticks away on the J's contracts... might have to consider we as Celtic fans have bought into fools gold with Tatum and/or Brown also. Yeah, you are right...I think most are starting to consider that...
But, I was reading on another board something else to consider...the poster compared Tatum to Pierce before the Celts got KG and Ray Allen...which makes me think that if we let Tatum go, it could really come back to bite us in the arse...
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 10:54:20 GMT -5
We just got beat by Will Ferrell in Semi-Pro. Lol
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 10:56:25 GMT -5
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 11:03:12 GMT -5
Yep, and meanwhile time ticks away on the J's contracts... might have to consider we as Celtic fans have bought into fools gold with Tatum and/or Brown also. Remember, these guys just reached the age that Bird and Jordan joined the NBA. They still have a lot to learn, nevermind the new curve of not being bailed out with ticky tack fouls. It will take time to understand the physicality they need to play with on both ends. Also it is not their fault this offense searchs for 3's. The Spurs were searching for points in the paint. No wonder they won.
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 11:06:12 GMT -5
Tatum + Brown need to abandon the helicopter move eurostep in a crowd and just running back it.
That means elbows to tummies and go fast and powerful.
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 11:08:55 GMT -5
If the refs aren't calling the hacks, turn to street justice.
Hack them back or make them feel pain when you attack offensively.
It is what it is.
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 11:12:37 GMT -5
Sorry coach. I saw 3 hunting was the reason we lost. Didn't make enough and it never stopped us from taking the next. These m'fers are blind. Still trying to be Golden State. The most effective plays on offense was the drive and cut plays and drive and dump off. Not the drive and kick out.
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 11:15:48 GMT -5
The NBA was better when they had to play man to man.
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 11:19:13 GMT -5
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 11:35:49 GMT -5
There's always.... Suck for Jabari Smith Jr!
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 27, 2021 11:42:19 GMT -5
The thing about trading the J's is no matter what two you bring back, the same pitifull supporting cast will still be in place! When Gwill and Langford are your best 3 point shooters, and your game plan is to shoot 3's you're in a world of Hurt! If we could trade all our bums for Murray, Patty Mills and Aldridge and sign G league guys we'd be a much better team than we are now! I'm not blaming IUD yet because we just don't have a good enough team for anyone to be a successful coach.
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 12:29:23 GMT -5
This is what I would like to see.
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 12:44:13 GMT -5
The thing about trading the J's is no matter what two you bring back, the same pitifull supporting cast will still be in place! When Gwill and Langford are your best 3 point shooters, and your game plan is to shoot 3's you're in a world of Hurt! If we could trade all our bums for Murray, Patty Mills and Aldridge and sign G league guys we'd be a much better team than we are now! I'm not blaming IUD yet because we just don't have a good enough team for anyone to be a successful coach. Looks like Schroder is coming back down to 🌎.
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 12:46:36 GMT -5
The Jays are not 100%.
That's why they need to work on their catch and shoot.
I understand they have career goals of being all stars and that is hard to achieve if you don't play and heal up.
It's a tough one.
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 27, 2021 12:50:24 GMT -5
The thing about trading the J's is no matter what two you bring back, the same pitifull supporting cast will still be in place! When Gwill and Langford are your best 3 point shooters, and your game plan is to shoot 3's you're in a world of Hurt! If we could trade all our bums for Murray, Patty Mills and Aldridge and sign G league guys we'd be a much better team than we are now! I'm not blaming IUD yet because we just don't have a good enough team for anyone to be a successful coach. Looks like Schroder is coming back down to 🌎. He's just another guy that can't shoot, that fits right in with all the others we have that can't shoot! I guess you could call us, the team that don't shoot straight!!
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 27, 2021 13:01:51 GMT -5
Even this would be a better offense
Tatum, Brown, Smart, GWill, Al Horford, Kanter.
They can all do it.
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Post by puddin on Nov 27, 2021 13:14:17 GMT -5
The thing about trading the J's is no matter what two you bring back, the same pitifull supporting cast will still be in place! When Gwill and Langford are your best 3 point shooters, and your game plan is to shoot 3's you're in a world of Hurt! If we could trade all our bums for Murray, Patty Mills and Aldridge and sign G league guys we'd be a much better team than we are now! I'm not blaming IUD yet because we just don't have a good enough team for anyone to be a successful coach. And if the Cs trade all our "bums" for a better bench, that bench is still saddled with a pair of immature, young, detached "sacred cows" who display not only a strong sense of entitlement but who may already be antsy to move on to higher wattage playing venues.
If what they say about fish also applies to franchise players and their ego-fueled pecking orders...
...well, in this case, it is a two headed fish...
...that may continue to stink up the joint.
Pud
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