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Post by dfries13 on Aug 5, 2021 16:26:25 GMT -5
My recollection was the Brown pick was not so cut and dried, but he was by far the choice. There was some debate on who to take 3rd (even first before the trade) Tatum, Josh Jackson or Isaac. One question in all seriousness how many movable or crappy contracts do they need? Smart, Horford, Richardson, potentially RWill etc aren't enough? Brown was cut and dried by Boss Cabby and myself. Hedley joined in at the end. Not sure what the so called experts who get paid to pick the mock drafts picks.. I don't need to nitpick a few random posts on some thread i have a memory. To answer your other question.. I can't.. Don't think the management has a clue either is what scares me..... Rest assured there is a plan . It will resemble our. Heave a three and pray don't pass plan.. I'm pretty sure signing midgets or 6'0 SGs pretending to be Pgs has ended...
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 5, 2021 16:43:47 GMT -5
We have established one fact today..
If Stevens had not signed a long term contract its most likely true he would have left with AINGE.
It's just an experiment one who's financing is being cut short..
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Post by Admin on Aug 5, 2021 16:51:33 GMT -5
That had to be early assessment ...
Clearly you didn't find the thread where I compared Brown to Bias. Me & Cabby were all over Brown down the stretch and Dee got on board and I think Hedley too ... sure their were some that wanted Dunn and I wanted Murray originally but again days before you'll find a long thread where I went on a tangent how Brown could be the next Bias or Jordan even comparing stats.
I’m not even saying you were wrong, first thread I looked at. I’m sure you were on brown as well just that I think the majority thought there was a handful of guys who could e went
No question we were all over the potential pics early on right till draft night but here's the thread where a majority decided on Brown ... a real sense of pride here cuz when selected, the fans in the Garden all booed when the pick was announced. Oh, how opinions changed!
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Post by Admin on Aug 5, 2021 17:14:18 GMT -5
We have established one fact today.. If Stevens had not signed a long term contract its most likely true he would have left with AINGE. It's just an experiment one who's financing is being cut short..
He'll be gone within a year I bet ... and I still think Presti is dying to come back here and do his thing for the C's.
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 5, 2021 17:14:50 GMT -5
Ainge quit on Boston that is all that this boils down to.
Why? Because he was doing a great job? No.. Because he knew he fucked up and coudn't handle the heat that was growing like the wildfires in the West.
It don't take a baskeball genius to figuue this out.
Now WTH is Stevens doing? Role playing for the money... He did quit just like Ainge........ Somehow he still has a job.
I've been following sports for 60 years and this is the ist time i've seen anything that compares to this........
Maybe after an year or two of being embarrased he might be hoping WYC buys him out....
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 5, 2021 17:15:36 GMT -5
We have established one fact today.. If Stevens had not signed a long term contract its most likely true he would have left with AINGE. It's just an experiment one who's financing is being cut short..
He'll be gone within a year I bet ... and I still think Presti is dying to come back here and do his thing for the C's.
I said two a few days ago ...... But i was doped up..
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Post by cole on Aug 5, 2021 17:22:21 GMT -5
He'll be gone within a year I bet ... and I still think Presti is dying to come back here and do his thing for the C's.
I said two a few days ago ...... But i was doped up.. I said on the day Danny left and Brad was appointed to his new position, that he wouldn't last six months. Not that he couldn't, but he's going to go coach
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Post by solly on Aug 5, 2021 17:26:26 GMT -5
I’m not even saying you were wrong, first thread I looked at. I’m sure you were on brown as well just that I think the majority thought there was a handful of guys who could e went
No question we were all over the potential pics early on right till draft night but here's the thread where a majority decided on Brown ... a real sense of pride here cuz when selected, the fans in the Garden all booed when the pick was announced. Oh, how opinions changed!
Right, no doubt a lot of people liked brown. I’m sure there was a lot that liked bender, or Dunn, or hield, etc
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Post by cole on Aug 5, 2021 17:28:05 GMT -5
No question we were all over the potential pics early on right till draft night but here's the thread where a majority decided on Brown ... a real sense of pride here cuz when selected, the fans in the Garden all booed when the pick was announced. Oh, how opinions changed!
Right, no doubt a lot of people liked brown. I’m sure there was a lot that liked bender, or Dunn, or hield, etc Heild had a couple of fans here
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 5, 2021 17:31:41 GMT -5
I said two a few days ago ...... But i was doped up.. I said on the day Danny left and Brad was appointed to his new position, that he wouldn't last six months. Not that he couldn't, but he's going to go coach Yeah he will coach again.. Might be Kansas or OKC somewhere in the midwest.. I'm a strange person but even this affair approaches my outer limits. The heat will soon consume WYC. I'm not criticizing the folks in Boston.. As a matter of fact its a compliment. Wait till the Irish start drinking.
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Post by Admin on Aug 5, 2021 17:36:36 GMT -5
Ainge quit on Boston that is all that this boils down to. Why? Because he was doing a great job? No.. Because he knew he fucked up and coudn't handle the heat that was growing like the wildfires in the West. It don't take a baskeball genius to figuue this out. Now WTH is Stevens doing? Role playing for the money... He did quit just like Ainge........ Somehow he still has a job.I've been following sports for 60 years and this is the ist time i've seen anything that compares to this........ Maybe after an year or two of being embarrased he might be hoping WYC buys him out....
I'll be hoping someone buys both Stevens & Wyc out!
I think Wyc deserves as much blame as Ainge for this mess.
Ainge kept us out of tax payer status when the foundation called for excess spending to finish the product.
Ainge used his bully technique to win favorable deals but was forced to walk away from multiple opportunities cause he was too cheap or wanted more than he needed to improve the team.
As Drew pointed out, now isn't a time for creating cap space for free agents. To have assets for trade, a franchise needs contracts that can be flipped. And more than ever for top tier talent flipping involves utilizing the S&T to make all three parties happy.
But Wyc/Brad are living in the 90's when teams were punished for overspending. Not any more. If you want to have a chance at the next free agent or disgruntled star to want to be traded you damn well better have the assets to get him before your Division rival does. Being prepared today means having both picks & contracts of value or size for matching if not expiring.
Our current path is just wrong. Instead of fearing the hard cap we should embrace it and use the NT-MLE and the S&T to get the assets we need now or will need for that trade coming down the road. And if we go over the hard cap some, pay the damn bill and as usual the C's games will be sold out and the TV revenue will keep pouring in. Go ahead, take the conservative road and watch your team loose talent faster than that one free agent you might be able to sign. And if you don't, you just got worse for all that cost cutting ... Wyc/Danny (as consultant) have told Brad to take a right at the fork in the road when he s/b taking a left!
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Post by Admin on Aug 5, 2021 17:39:43 GMT -5
No question we were all over the potential pics early on right till draft night but here's the thread where a majority decided on Brown ... a real sense of pride here cuz when selected, the fans in the Garden all booed when the pick was announced. Oh, how opinions changed!
Right, no doubt a lot of people liked brown. I’m sure there was a lot that liked bender, or Dunn, or hield, etc
Nah, most here opted out of Bender. It was Murray, Brown or Dunn (everyone thought he'd be traded) with some on the Hield (a Fierce fav) bus ...
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 5, 2021 17:39:47 GMT -5
No question we were all over the potential pics early on right till draft night but here's the thread where a majority decided on Brown ... a real sense of pride here cuz when selected, the fans in the Garden all booed when the pick was announced. Oh, how opinions changed!
Right, no doubt a lot of people liked brown. I’m sure there was a lot that liked bender, or Dunn, or hield, etc I liked Dunn i admit. I liked Brown alot more. No one here wanted Bender to the best of my recollection Cole is right a couple wanted Hield.. Want a clue how the different minds work here?. Some like shinny objects i'm not among them.. . Some want offense and shooters like Fierce and care less about defense.. Others want a player who has more than one obvious talent...
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 5, 2021 17:41:34 GMT -5
What if James buys the Celtics boss?. Yeah i went there..
He will buy a team in the next couple years..
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Post by croc on Aug 5, 2021 17:41:54 GMT -5
Ainge quit on Boston that is all that this boils down to. Why? Because he was doing a great job? No.. Because he knew he fucked up and coudn't handle the heat that was growing like the wildfires in the West. It don't take a baskeball genius to figuue this out. Now WTH is Stevens doing? Role playing for the money... He did quit just like Ainge........ Somehow he still has a job.I've been following sports for 60 years and this is the ist time i've seen anything that compares to this........ Maybe after an year or two of being embarrased he might be hoping WYC buys him out....
I'll be hoping someone buys both Stevens & Wyc out!
I think Wyc deserves as much blame as Ainge for this mess.
Ainge kept us out of tax payer status when the foundation called for excess spending to finish the product.
Ainge used his bully technique to win favorable deals but was forced to walk away from multiple opportunities cause he was too cheap or wanted more than he needed to improve the team.
As Drew pointed out, now isn't a time for creating cap space for free agents. To have assets for trade, a franchise needs contracts that can be flipped. And more than ever for top tier talent flipping involves utilizing the S&T to make all three parties happy.
But Wyc/Brad are living in the 90's when teams were punished for overspending. Not any more. If you want to have a chance at the next free agent or disgruntled star to want to be traded you damn well better have the assets to get him before your Division rival does. Being prepared today means having both picks & contracts of value or size for matching if not expiring.
Our current path is just wrong. Instead of fearing the hard cap we should embrace it and use the NT-MLE and the S&T to get the assets we need now or will need for that trade coming down the road. And if we go over the hard cap some, pay the damn bill and as usual the C's games will be sold out and the TV revenue will keep pouring in. Go ahead, take the conservative road and watch your team loose talent faster than that one free agent you might be able to sign. And if you don't, you just got worse for all that cost cutting ... Wyc/Danny (as consultant) have told Brad to take a right at the fork in the road when he s/b taking a left!
Well they can do either.
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 5, 2021 17:43:34 GMT -5
Got any idea Croc when?
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Post by croc on Aug 5, 2021 17:45:52 GMT -5
Nope not at the moment. But they can either sign or do S&Ts with what they have on the roster. This is about flexibility in 2022
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 5, 2021 18:04:08 GMT -5
Nope not at the moment. But they can either sign or do S&Ts with what they have on the roster. This is about flexibility in 2022 Yeah i'm sure no one is arguing that its its 2022. Smart and Rwill contracts will have to be extended. No way we extend both.. Do we sign players who are friendly with Tatum? Looks to me like we will be catering to a 23 year old wishes... Have you noticed Brown never cuddles up to any other players? Putting Tatum on a pedestal will come back to haunt us.
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Post by Admin on Aug 5, 2021 18:17:50 GMT -5
What if James buys the Celtics boss?. Yeah i went there.. He will buy a team in the next couple years..
That would assure having access to players being managed by his friends/partners.
As long as he spends he would be embraced. Nobody loved Jordan or Lebron as players but we see them differently once retired. Papa's got a brand new bag and we like it!
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Post by croc on Aug 5, 2021 18:22:34 GMT -5
Nope not at the moment. But they can either sign or do S&Ts with what they have on the roster. This is about flexibility in 2022 Yeah i'm sure no one is arguing that its its 2022. Smart and Rwill contracts will have to be extended. No way we extend both.. Do we sign players who are friendly with Tatum? Looks to me like we will be catering to a 23 year old wishes... Have you noticed Brown never cuddles up to any other players? Putting Tatum on a pedestal will come back to haunt us. There's definitely a danger in putting their eggs in Tatum's basket. Tatum's working his way into the NBA inner circle. It could go really good too. There's a lot marching to his own beat with Brown. Brown's just on the outside, but his flight risk seems less. Is there an NBA counter culture? I think they will extend RWill. Smart looks more in a S&T mode.
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Post by croc on Aug 5, 2021 18:25:21 GMT -5
What if James buys the Celtics boss?. Yeah i went there.. He will buy a team in the next couple years..
That would assure having access to players being managed by his friends/partners.
As long as he spends he would be embraced. Nobody loved Jordan or Lebron as players but we see them differently once retired. Papa's got a brand new bag and we like it!
Owning a piece of the Sox and Celts. We can hope he'd bring his guys in ....Jordan hasn't done very much
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 5, 2021 18:53:14 GMT -5
That would assure having access to players being managed by his friends/partners.
As long as he spends he would be embraced. Nobody loved Jordan or Lebron as players but we see them differently once retired. Papa's got a brand new bag and we like it!
Owning a piece of the Sox and Celts. We can hope he'd bring his guys in ....Jordan hasn't done very much well i don't get pleasant surprises often these day. James Brown Cool . I've been all over Jordan sense he bought the Hornests.. He's made a ton of poor decisions especially turning down 6 picks for Winslow. That was the turning point of my love affair with Ainge also.. Looks like Jordan learned fron his mistakes the team is trending up now i believe. Unlike most here i don't hate James and i wasn't joking about buying the team. He's a little brighter than Jordan on how to construct a team. No one else has ever won a title in three different cities. I think he wants LA instead of Boston doubtful he uproots his family and friends there and goes East. After setting back and watch the whole world turned upside down the past few years. I never say never anymore..
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Post by elvissurfs on Aug 5, 2021 19:52:18 GMT -5
Not sure I understand the distain for Smart by some here myself. two time all defense first team in the NBA. list of Celtic players who made the team twice or more? Garnett- 3 times as a celtic R. Rondo K. McHale- 3 times P. Silas Havlicek- 3 times 1968 was the first year for all-defensive teams so Russell only made one team his final year. Silas and Rondo are the only ones from that list not in the hall of fame. now i am NOT saying Smart is a HOF player...LOL. but he's also not an average NBA role player either...please! KyCeltic has been poisoning the Marcus Smart well for years for reasons known only to God.
That's his raison d'etre, Ky's singular contribution to this forum.
Others will pick up on this line from time to time and run with it.
Some posters really get off on trolling and mercurial, emotional, tough as nails Smart seems to be an easy target.
Maybe its that simple.
To the pudster, Marcus Smart is a natural born 6th man and team leader, epitomizing rugged Celtic style physical basketball of years gone by. (A pretty boy he is not.) When the game is decided, you want Smart to be on the floor.
MS should be resigned and elevated to team captain status.... but he needs to be challenged by the new HC every day to fill that role. Otherwise, he needs to be traded to a team who can appreciate what Marcus brings to the table.
If Smart is traded, I am likely to go with him and I've been a Celtic fan since the glory days of Cousy and Russell.
Pud Say it aint so!...You cant leave with Smart...and you are dang right, WHEN THE GAME IS BEING DECIDED, YOU WANT SMART TO BE ON THE FLOOR!...
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Post by Admin on Aug 5, 2021 19:55:34 GMT -5
Owning a piece of the Sox and Celts. We can hope he'd bring his guys in ....Jordan hasn't done very much well i don't get pleasant surprises often these day. James Brown Cool . I've been all over Jordan sense he bought the Hornets.. He's made a ton of poor decisions especially turning down 6 picks for Winslow. That was the turning point of my love affair with Ainge also.. Looks like Jordan learned from his mistakes the team is trending up now i believe.Unlike most here i don't hate James and i wasn't joking about buying the team. He's a little brighter than Jordan on how to construct a team. No one else has ever won a title in three different cities. I think he wants LA instead of Boston doubtful he uproots his family and friends there and goes East. After setting back and watch the whole world turned upside down the past few years. I never say never anymore..
No arguments there ... in fact:
Hornets Considering Offer Sheet For Lauri Markkanen by Luke Adams
The Hornets, one of the NBA’s only teams that still has cap space available, have “strong” interest in a potential offer sheet for Bulls restricted free agent forward Lauri Markkanen, reports Shams Charania of The Athletic (Twitter link).
By my unofficial count, Charlotte currently has about $14MM in projected cap room and could increase that number slightly by waiving one or more of the non-guaranteed contracts on the team’s books (Cody Martin, Caleb Martin, and Jalen McDaniels). That would likely be enough space to make a competitive bid for Markkanen and put pressure on the Bulls, who have the ability to match any offer sheet he signs.
Chicago will be hard-capped as a result of the club’s sign-and-trade deals for Lonzo Ball and DeMar DeRozan. Accommodating a significant salary for Markkanen would potentially push the club into the tax and close to that hard cap. ESPN’s Bobby Marks (Twitter link) said following the DeRozan agreement on Tuesday that the Bulls’ team salary was about $19.5MM below the tax line and $26MM below the hard cap, with six open roster spots.
The seventh overall pick in the 2017 draft, Markkanen showed a ton of promise during his first two NBA seasons, posting a career-high 18.7 PPG and 9.0 RPG on .430/.361/.872 shooting in 52 games (32.3 MPG) in 2018/19. However, his development trajectory has leveled off since then, as he has battled a series of injuries and given the Bulls up-and-down production.
Still, the Finnish forward is only 24 years old and is a legitimate floor-spacing big man, having knocked down 40.2% of his three-point attempts this past season. Charlotte has plenty of talent in its backcourt (LaMelo Ball, Terry Rozier, James Bouknight) and on the wing (Gordon Hayward, Miles Bridges, P.J. Washington) and may view Markkanen as a nice fit up front.
If the Hornets is worried about a potential offer sheet being matched and the Bulls don’t want to risk losing Markkanen for nothing, the two sides could engage in sign-and-trade talks to ensure the seven-footer ends up in Charlotte and Chicago gets a minor asset or two in return for agreeing to let him walk. However, if Markkanen officially signs an offer sheet with the Hornets, a sign-and-trade would no longer be possible.
A restricted free agent can sign an offer sheet during the moratorium period, but the two-day matching clock doesn’t begin until the moratorium ends, so there’s no rush for Charlotte to get Markkanen to sign on the dotted line today.
For what it’s worth, a report earlier this week stated that the Spurs had interest in Markkanen in the DeRozan sign-and-trade, but weren’t comfortable meeting his asking price.
Comment: So why don't we offer a pick/s along with a prospect like GWill and Edwards or even Fernando for a S&T of Markkanen which gets the Bulls back a nice TPE as well?
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Post by elvissurfs on Aug 5, 2021 19:59:26 GMT -5
To be clear - I dont want to trade Smart, and fully agree that we seem to lose a lot of games when he isnt around. Hes an underrated PG. If you look at some stats, like Jaylen Browns fg% when Marcus is on the court vs when he isnt - you'll see that despite the misses (which are frustrating), Smart is actually an underrated facilitator. Im not exactly sure how, but the sample size is quite large and quite convincing. The only way I would have traded him is because first and foremost you win in the NBA by scoring, and we dont have enough scoring. But we also dont have enough playmaking, so moving smart for pts kind of opens a hole to plug another. At this pt, I dont think there is a player available that would be worth moving Smart. Maybe a S+T w the clippers for Kahwi? Then you'd punt this year adn try to find a PG in the offseason to play w Kawhi, Tatum, and Brown after this upcoming year. But I dont think Kahwi has any intention of leaving LA. Correct...Smart is underappreciated, and also correct in that Kawhi ain't leaving the Clippers...he is a Southern California boy...
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