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Post by Cabutan on Jul 1, 2021 16:43:22 GMT -5
Didnt i read that Ime Udoka while a nets assistant read ahead the plays stevens was making? You dont think that plays a role?
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Post by solly on Jul 1, 2021 17:20:01 GMT -5
What are you talking about? I am avoiding nothing, theres no Hawks mentioned in our last posts...How am I supposed to answer a question that wasnt asked. I never called Mcmillan a bad or great coach. Hes a coach. And in his 17 years has been to ZERO, 0, Cero...Finals...Now because one of his teams is in the ECF hes a great coach. You dont make much sense. Lebron went to the finals with 4 coaches this decade. It doesnt matter at all. Youve ignored every point I made in the last 2 posts and just answered with irrelevant drivel I know youre being backed into a wall with examples across the leagues history...Itd be nice if you could provide some to help prove your point. fierce mcmillan hasnt won anything, alot of good coaches have not won anything. thats not the point here bitch. The point is that you want to make it all about a player and its leadership but refuse to acknowledge that it takes more than that. You also refuse to acknowledge that leadership comes from top down. You have mentioned all along that coaches dont need to call plays. That players do. You claim that players dont respond to coaches when in reality they do. I say is a combination of things but coaches do play a role. Lebron has always always teamed up. His finals have nothing to do with him being the leader and winning it all. Why do the league have coaches??? Just to show off? A good coached team with the a good core and good role players is what it takes. Not a player leader because it would have mattered nothing if CP3 was in Boston. Or do you think we would be seeing Boston and phoenix out of the playoffs?? Get real. Where is atlantas player leader? Where? Where is Milwaukees leader?? Who was in the clips? So Mcmillan is a good leader based on what? Hes one of a zillion coaches to be in the Conference finals. Again, for the millionth time...I can show you great coaches that have become irrelevant as soon as his elite players are gone. You keep saying Lebron teams up...Ya with good players. Hes been to the finals with four coaches just this decade. That couldve been me or you and hes still going to the finals. He proves my point. If CP3 was on the Celtics I think they have a much better shot at being in the ECF then they did without him. The bottom line is how good a coach is...Is determined by how good his players are. Thats it...And unlike you I can provide never ending examples of this, while you hang onto Monty Williams and Nate Mcmillan leading their teams to championships.
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Post by solly on Jul 1, 2021 17:23:00 GMT -5
I answered that...CP3 is not a superstar level player at the caliber where he can carry teams to a championship as the best player. But hes good enough to be a leader on the team that has other really good players if the mix is good enough. Again, this is also a down year for the league due to injuries. If CP3 was on the Celtics he wouldnt be the best player on the team, but hed be still really good and be able to lead in the locker room. Which clearly hes doing in PHX. Its bizarre how your logic is saying where was CP3 last year...but just completely ignore the fact that Mcmillian and Monty have done jack shit as coaches...But theyre great leaders lmao Again, Lebron can be labeled as a ring chaser in your opinion...He definitely wasnt chasing coaches. He wanted the best roster, he didnt give a shit who the coach was. Theres a reason for that. And the Suns were below .500. Booker and Ayton were still there. Along with a lot of core pieces on the team. Under the rule of Monty. They werent a good team, but if you think its because the players growing and Ayton getting healthy was a huge help...Then why does Monty get any credit? That player driven success monty gets the credit to make them play as a team asswipe. Not sure why youre calling me an asswipe...But still you provide no examples. Monty shouldve been fired after last year...He couldnt get them to play as a team. Here is Cabutan logic. But we ignore last year because.... Wonder if CP3 helped. Considering Ayton literally said it was the most important thing that has happened in his career.
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Post by solly on Jul 1, 2021 17:23:47 GMT -5
Didnt i read that Ime Udoka while a nets assistant read ahead the plays stevens was making? You dont think that plays a role? I think the Nets best players are Durant, Harden and Irving. That plays a role
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 1, 2021 17:47:00 GMT -5
I dont need to present you any example if i dont want to. You dont tell me what to do. A coach job amongst others is to provide the leadership to help their players excel and play their best. Put players in a role for success. Motivate them so they can achieve abd maximize their potential. Thats leadership from a coaching standpoint. You dont believe in that. Harden, durant and irving ended up nowhere. Nowhere. Durant has never been a leader same with irving. I also mentioned the bucks and clips and you couldnt mention their leader. So dont act like i am stuck with the hawks and monty. We can go on to the celtics who underachieved as well. They showed zero connection with their coach. That relationship was burnt. No motivation etc. Is becoming redundant fierce. You aint making a point. Why do we have coaches??? Never answered that either
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 1, 2021 17:47:57 GMT -5
Didnt i read that Ime Udoka while a nets assistant read ahead the plays stevens was making? You dont think that plays a role? I think the Nets best players are Durant, Harden and Irving. That plays a role didnt ask for the best players. What happen there? You are under the thought that players win it all.
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Post by solly on Jul 1, 2021 17:51:07 GMT -5
I think the Nets best players are Durant, Harden and Irving. That plays a role didnt ask for the best players. What happen there? You are under the thought that players win it all. They do, it’s a players dominated league.
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Post by solly on Jul 1, 2021 17:53:32 GMT -5
I dont need to present you any example if i dont want to. You dont tell me what to do. A coach job amongst others is to provide the leadership to help their players excel and play their best. Put players in a role for success. Motivate them so they can achieve abd maximize their potential. Thats leadership from a coaching standpoint. You dont believe in that. Harden, durant and irving ended up nowhere. Nowhere. Durant has never been a leader same with irving. I also mentioned the bucks and clips and you couldnt mention their leader. So dont act like i am stuck with the hawks and monty. We can go on to the celtics who underachieved as well. They showed zero connection with their coach. That relationship was burnt. No motivation etc. Is becoming redundant fierce. You aint making a point. Why do we have coaches??? Never answered that either The nets ended up nowhere because harden and Kyrie were hurt. That is pretty obvious. Kawhi also is hurt. So that leaves the bucks who have a multiple time mvp…unless you think it’s coach bud pulling the strings You don’t need examples you to don’t want…it’s because you have none. Coaches who were successful without elite players.
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 1, 2021 17:55:05 GMT -5
I dont need to present you any example if i dont want to. You dont tell me what to do. A coach job amongst others is to provide the leadership to help their players excel and play their best. Put players in a role for success. Motivate them so they can achieve abd maximize their potential. Thats leadership from a coaching standpoint. You dont believe in that. Harden, durant and irving ended up nowhere. Nowhere. Durant has never been a leader same with irving. I also mentioned the bucks and clips and you couldnt mention their leader. So dont act like i am stuck with the hawks and monty. We can go on to the celtics who underachieved as well. They showed zero connection with their coach. That relationship was burnt. No motivation etc. Is becoming redundant fierce. You aint making a point. Why do we have coaches??? Never answered that either The nets ended up nowhere because harden and Kyrie were hurt. That is pretty obvious. Kawhi also is hurt. So that leaves the bucks who have a multiple time mvp…unless you think it’s coach bud pulling the strings You don’t need examples you to don’t want…it’s because you have none. Coaches who were successful without elite players. injuries are a bad excuse.
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 1, 2021 17:56:45 GMT -5
Cant you say phoenix was the better team? Cant you say bucks were a better team?
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 1, 2021 17:57:27 GMT -5
At least
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Post by solly on Jul 1, 2021 18:12:11 GMT -5
The nets ended up nowhere because harden and Kyrie were hurt. That is pretty obvious. Kawhi also is hurt. So that leaves the bucks who have a multiple time mvp…unless you think it’s coach bud pulling the strings You don’t need examples you to don’t want…it’s because you have none. Coaches who were successful without elite players. injuries are a bad excuse. That’s honestly pretty ridiculous…when 2 of your 3 best players are hurt then that’s essentially a momentous loss That’d be like saying the 2009 Celtics were a worse team then Orlando because KG got hurt mid year. That had a huge effect.
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Post by solly on Jul 1, 2021 18:56:52 GMT -5
Cant you say phoenix was the better team? Cant you say bucks were a better team? Phoenix was definitely better then the clippers as constructed. Of course, the clippers best player was hurt so we will never know
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Post by sfbosfan on Jul 1, 2021 22:00:56 GMT -5
We could have gotten Brooks Lopez cheaply a couple of years ago but many comments didn’t want him. He’s a backup to Giannis and scores about 15 pts. Tonight Giannis not playing & he scored 33. Would have been better than any of the crap centers we’ve had especially Tristan.
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Post by elvissurfs on Jul 1, 2021 23:09:10 GMT -5
We could have gotten Brooks Lopez cheaply a couple of years ago but many comments didn’t want him. He’s a backup to Giannis and scores about 15 pts. Tonight Giannis not playing & he scored 33. Would have been better than any of the crap centers we’ve had especially Tristan. Agree...Lopez is a beast...
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Post by elvissurfs on Jul 1, 2021 23:10:21 GMT -5
injuries are a bad excuse. That’s honestly pretty ridiculous…when 2 of your 3 best players are hurt then that’s essentially a momentous loss That’d be like saying the 2009 Celtics were a worse team then Orlando because KG got hurt mid year. That had a huge effect. Well, you say the Celtics suck but Kemba, Brown, and RWill were hurt...oh, that doesnt count...
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Post by Admin on Jul 2, 2021 2:10:12 GMT -5
I regret losing Marcus Morris, Sr. (LOL)
Damn! He's been good and think how he could have solved a few problems here unless he was trouble in the clubhouse with the young guys.
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Post by solly on Jul 2, 2021 6:29:10 GMT -5
That’s honestly pretty ridiculous…when 2 of your 3 best players are hurt then that’s essentially a momentous loss That’d be like saying the 2009 Celtics were a worse team then Orlando because KG got hurt mid year. That had a huge effect. Well, you say the Celtics suck but Kemba, Brown, and RWill were hurt...oh, that doesnt count... When did I say that doesn’t count? They were bad when they played as well unfortunately. Though I know you loved Kemba and thought he was great
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Post by kyceltic on Jul 2, 2021 9:25:25 GMT -5
Well, you say the Celtics suck but Kemba, Brown, and RWill were hurt...oh, that doesnt count... When did I say that doesn’t count? They were bad when they played as well unfortunately. Though I know you loved Kemba and thought he was great Elvis did love him some Kemba!!
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Post by kyceltic on Jul 2, 2021 9:28:29 GMT -5
I regret losing Marcus Morris, Sr. (LOL) Damn! He's been good and think how he could have solved a few problems here unless he was trouble in the clubhouse with the young guys. I don't remember ever hearing that he was trouble! We should have found a way to have kept him!
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Post by elvissurfs on Jul 2, 2021 9:55:10 GMT -5
When did I say that doesn’t count? They were bad when they played as well unfortunately. Though I know you loved Kemba and thought he was great Elvis did love him some Kemba!! Yeah, I loved him for his great veteran leadership, usually from the bench...
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Post by elvissurfs on Jul 2, 2021 9:57:57 GMT -5
Well, you say the Celtics suck but Kemba, Brown, and RWill were hurt...oh, that doesnt count... When did I say that doesn’t count? They were bad when they played as well unfortunately. Though I know you loved Kemba and thought he was great You say it every day...it is all on the players, coach is irrelevant...yet you dont acknowledge that we played hurt, injured, covid stricken all season...you just say our players suck...
I think we had a pretty decent team, surely better than the end result...unfortunately Kemba was not able to provide the leadership he was brought here for, and our coach hindered player development...
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Post by solly on Jul 2, 2021 10:23:18 GMT -5
When did I say that doesn’t count? They were bad when they played as well unfortunately. Though I know you loved Kemba and thought he was great You say it every day...it is all on the players, coach is irrelevant...yet you dont acknowledge that we played hurt, injured, covid stricken all season...you just say our players suck...
I think we had a pretty decent team, surely better than the end result...unfortunately Kemba was not able to provide the leadership he was brought here for, and our coach hindered player development...
I didn’t say the players suck…going to back to when I first posted here, I said I don’t believe the young players on the team are ready to lead a championship team. And they aren’t superstars. young players in the nba generally do not lead championship winning teams. And it’s easy to see why as we watched this season play out. The reporting of the Celtics being the worst offenders of covid protocols is all you need to know. It takes time for them to develop. You could’ve had Red in his prime coaching this team and they don’t win. That’s my point, the coach didn’t determine the outcome of the season. The roster, maturity and talent level did. The team, when healthy wasn’t very good either way…Brooklyn was great all year during injuries…their 2 of 3 best players were hurt…I’d say that hinders any team. Their ceiling was clearly much higher and they suffered injuries during the playoffs. I’m just not sure how the coach hinders player development if both Tatum, brown and Rwill all got better yearly. I’d need you to explain that one to me
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Post by sfbosfan on Jul 2, 2021 10:58:32 GMT -5
I regret losing Marcus Morris, Sr. (LOL) Damn! He's been good and think how he could have solved a few problems here unless he was trouble in the clubhouse with the young guys. I don't remember ever hearing that he was trouble! We should have found a way to have kept him! When I think Crowder was part of the trade with Isaiah Thomas to get Kyrie Irving it infuriates me. He is a starter on a team going to the finals. Last night got 16 pts first half & with 19 total basically didn’t play any more. Morris in a losing cause scored 26 pts . Wouldn’t it have been nice to have Tatum, Brown, Smart , Crowder & Morris, the last 2 instead of Edwards, Fournier, Langford, Nesmith, Ojeleye, Parker, Thompson, Waters, G.Williams and then Williams & Tacko for Centers and kept Isaiah Thomas to play 15 min a game. Maybe have even gotten rid of Smart for another Center of PF as Crowder is a similar feisty fighter & a better shooter. Morris is the same type of fighter under the basket as is Horford both at 6’9”.
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Post by kyceltic on Jul 2, 2021 11:21:39 GMT -5
I don't remember ever hearing that he was trouble! We should have found a way to have kept him! When I think Crowder was part of the trade with Isaiah Thomas to get Kyrie Irving it infuriates me. He is a starter on a team going to the finals. Last night got 16 pts first half & with 19 total basically didn’t play any more. Morris in a losing cause scored 26 pts . Wouldn’t it have been nice to have Tatum, Brown, Smart , Crowder & Morris, the last 2 instead of Edwards, Fournier, Langford, Nesmith, Ojeleye, Parker, Thompson, Waters, G.Williams and then Williams & Tacko for Centers and kept Isaiah Thomas to play 15 min a game. Maybe have even gotten rid of Smart for another Center of PF as Crowder is a similar feisty fighter & a better shooter. Morris is the same type of fighter under the basket as is Horford both at 6’9”. I still have some hope for Nesmith and Langford! Would have loved to have kept Morris!
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