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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2021 19:16:22 GMT -5
Chris Paul is available for Game 3 ... for the Clippers, Leonard remains out.
Game starts at 9PM EST on ESPN
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Post by cole on Jun 24, 2021 21:02:44 GMT -5
Chris Paul is available for Game 3 ... for the Clippers, Leonard remains out.
Game starts at 9PM EST on ESPN
Don't let La win, even the other La team BEAT LA! |
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Post by Admin on Jun 25, 2021 0:27:05 GMT -5
That's tough to do with Marcus Morris, Rondo, and Terrence Mann on that team. Especially with Doc (never liked him much - over rated) gone and his getting booted from the POs with the top-seeded Sixers in the East as his old Clippers are playing in the WCF something he could only dream about as HC of the Clippers. His losing again with the Sixers kind of clinches that Doc was never a great HC for me. As Solly would say, "the coach doesn't win games, but he gets credit for the losses." It all on the players except for losers like Doc who become the outlier of that statement when his old team advances to the WCF as soon as he's gone and his new team, expected to challenge in the ECF vs the Nets or Bucks for a go in the Finals gets bounced by the Hawks who had to fire their HC in March to turn it around and just qualify for the POs. Nice job Doc ... you'll go down in history as the HC that could only muster 1 championship with some of the best talent of your coaching career over nearly 20 yrs. Is there anyone else who had so much talent and won so little? I think not! But hey Solly ... go ahead and blame the players ... after all, they lost those games, not Doc, right?
PS: Oh yeah ... Clippers climb back into the series (sans Leonard) with a 106-92 win at home and trail 2-1 now with another game at home Saturday @ 9PM EST on ESPN.
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Post by sfbosfan on Jun 25, 2021 11:25:54 GMT -5
That's tough to do with Marcus Morris, Rondo, and Terrence Mann on that team. Especially with Doc (never liked him much - over rated) gone and his getting booted from the POs with the top-seeded Sixers in the East as his old Clippers are playing in the WCF something he could only dream about as HC of the Clippers. His losing again with the Sixers kind of clinches that Doc was never a great HC for me. As Solly would say, "the coach doesn't win games, but he gets credit for the losses." It all on the players except for losers like Doc who become the outlier of that statement when his old team advances to the WCF as soon as he's gone and his new team, expected to challenge in the ECF vs the Nets or Bucks for a go in the Finals gets bounced by the Hawks who had to fire their HC in March to turn it around and just qualify for the POs. Nice job Doc ... you'll go down in history as the HC that could only muster 1 championship with some of the best talent of your coaching career over nearly 20 yrs. Is there anyone else who had so much talent and won so little? I think not! But hey Solly ... go ahead and blame the players ... after all, they lost those games, not Doc, right?
PS: Oh yeah ... Clippers climb back into the series (sans Leonard) with a 106-92 win at home and trail 2-1 now with another game at home Saturday @ 9PM EST on ESPN.
I too am not a fan. As you said, he won only one championship and did it with our big 3, KG, PP & Allen in 2008. Had some great clubs with the Clippers but the nemesis at that time were the Warriors. And now losing again with Sixers and Embiid supposedly one of the 2 best centers along with Giannis. As I said, I am not a Doc lover. We had a 13 pt lead end of Qtr #3 game 7 ...2010. Yup, I know we lost Perkins in Game 6 and in the finals they got the egregious difference of 42 foul shots to our 18 and just 21 in critical Qtr #4. We had two 7 footers, Rashid Wallace and Garnett, but they seemed, especially Sheed, more interested in shooting 3s as we were losing the rebound advantage substantially, especially in the 4th Qtr. We had PP & Allen to do that with Rondo driving to the basket. They killed us with reb advantage 53 to 40 (I mean 13 extra chances) and only shot 38% and we did 42% but the extra chances killed us. Gasol schooled KG out rebounding him 18 to 3. What else was painful was that Kobe(GOD rest him) shoots 6 for 24 or 25% and was MVP. He’d been a goat had they lost. Sorry if any you feel I continue to cry about that game. Again, beating dead horse, it was because of the foul shot difference true but also because we were out rebounded. Had we won that Game 7 I’d been less hard on Doc. |
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Post by elvissurfs on Jun 26, 2021 8:55:56 GMT -5
That's tough to do with Marcus Morris, Rondo, and Terrence Mann on that team. Especially with Doc (never liked him much - over rated) gone and his getting booted from the POs with the top-seeded Sixers in the East as his old Clippers are playing in the WCF something he could only dream about as HC of the Clippers. His losing again with the Sixers kind of clinches that Doc was never a great HC for me. As Solly would say, "the coach doesn't win games, but he gets credit for the losses." It all on the players except for losers like Doc who become the outlier of that statement when his old team advances to the WCF as soon as he's gone and his new team, expected to challenge in the ECF vs the Nets or Bucks for a go in the Finals gets bounced by the Hawks who had to fire their HC in March to turn it around and just qualify for the POs. Nice job Doc ... you'll go down in history as the HC that could only muster 1 championship with some of the best talent of your coaching career over nearly 20 yrs. Is there anyone else who had so much talent and won so little? I think not! But hey Solly ... go ahead and blame the players ... after all, they lost those games, not Doc, right?
PS: Oh yeah ... Clippers climb back into the series (sans Leonard) with a 106-92 win at home and trail 2-1 now with another game at home Saturday @ 9PM EST on ESPN.
I too am not a fan. As you said, he won only one championship and did it with our big 3, KG, PP & Allen in 2008. Had some great clubs with the Clippers but the nemesis at that time were the Warriors. And now losing again with Sixers and Embiid supposedly one of the 2 best centers along with Giannis. As I said, I am not a Doc lover. We had a 13 pt lead end of Qtr #3 game 7 ...2010. Yup, I know we lost Perkins in Game 6 and in the finals they got the egregious difference of 42 foul shots to our 18 and just 21 in critical Qtr #4. We had two 7 footers, Rashid Wallace and Garnett, but they seemed, especially Sheed, more interested in shooting 3s as we were losing the rebound advantage substantially, especially in the 4th Qtr. We had PP & Allen to do that with Rondo driving to the basket. They killed us with reb advantage 53 to 40 (I mean 13 extra chances) and only shot 38% and we did 42% but the extra chances killed us. Gasol schooled KG out rebounding him 18 to 3. What else was painful was that Kobe(GOD rest him) shoots 6 for 24 or 25% and was MVP. He’d been a goat had they lost. Sorry if any you feel I continue to cry about that game. Again, beating dead horse, it was because of the foul shot difference true but also because we were out rebounded. Had we won that Game 7 I’d been less hard on Doc. Not to mention that Bill Russell had to hand the trophy over to LA instead of to the Celtics... |
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Post by cole on Jun 30, 2021 21:20:00 GMT -5
Clippers have 24min to pull a Houdini
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Post by elvissurfs on Jun 30, 2021 22:07:33 GMT -5
Clippers have 24min to pull a Houdini Well, since that was 20 minutes ago I assume they did not...I also assume Kawhi did not play or was rusty having not played in a month...pathetic and they deserve to lose...as much as I root for them over the Lakers...
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Post by kyceltic on Jun 30, 2021 22:35:29 GMT -5
A midget is taking the Suns to the promised land!! Patrick Beverly needs to be thrown out of the league!
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Post by sfbosfan on Jun 30, 2021 22:47:09 GMT -5
When I think Crowder was part of the trade with Isaiah Thomas to get Kyrie Irving it infuriates me. He is a starter on a team going to the finals. Got 16 pts first half & with 19 basically didn’t play any more. Morris in a losing cause has 26 pts to now. Wouldn’t it have been nice to have Tatum, Brown, Smart , Crowder & Morris, the last 2 instead of all the garbage we have on the bench and Williams as Center. We’d maybe have been in the finals. And I’d kept Isaiah Thomas too.
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Post by puddin on Jul 1, 2021 7:20:37 GMT -5
When I think Crowder was part of the trade with Isaiah Thomas to get Kyrie Irving it infuriates me. He is a starter on a team going to the finals. Got 16 pts first half & with 19 basically didn’t play any more. Morris in a losing cause has 26 pts to now. Wouldn’t it have been nice to have Tatum, Brown, Smart , Crowder & Morris, the last 2 instead of all the garbage we have on the bench and Williams as Center. We’d maybe have been in the finals. And I’d kept Isaiah Thomas too. I always liked role player Crowder. What he lacked in raw skills and finesse, he more than made up for in blue collar hustle and toughness, much like Smart does now. (Besides, Jae was part of the trade that mercifully sent R9R FAR, FAR AWAY.)
A quote from a month ago from one of our most active, obsessive, controversial posters: "I don’t understand the obsession with looking back on the role players that we now wish we had...all role players look better when they’re lead by great players.
Jae Crowder would be useless here"
I disagree and suggest that there is a awful lot that this poster has failed to "understand" over time.
Crowder and Morris both played important roles in Beantown and they played them very well.
Their leaving created holes yet to be filled in the Celtic roster.
Pud
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Post by solly on Jul 1, 2021 7:38:05 GMT -5
When I think Crowder was part of the trade with Isaiah Thomas to get Kyrie Irving it infuriates me. He is a starter on a team going to the finals. Got 16 pts first half & with 19 basically didn’t play any more. Morris in a losing cause has 26 pts to now. Wouldn’t it have been nice to have Tatum, Brown, Smart , Crowder & Morris, the last 2 instead of all the garbage we have on the bench and Williams as Center. We’d maybe have been in the finals. And I’d kept Isaiah Thomas too. I always liked role player Crowder. What he lacked in raw skills and finesse, he more than made up for in blue collar hustle and toughness, much like Smart does now. (Besides, Jae was part of the trade that mercifully sent R9R FAR, FAR AWAY.)
A quote from a month ago from one of our most active, obsessive, controversial posters: "I don’t understand the obsession with looking back on the role players that we now wish we had...all role players look better when they’re lead by great players.
Jae Crowder would be useless here"
I disagree and suggest that there is a awful lot that this poster has failed to "understand" over time.
Crowder and Morris both played important roles in Beantown and they played them very well.
Their leaving created holes yet to be filled in the Celtic roster.
Pud
Jae Crowder was here and they went to 0 NBA finals. The problem with the Celtiics wasnt that they were missing Jae Crowder, they were missing Chris Paul type players. Hes been to Cleveland, Utah, Memphis and Miami since he left and has won nothing. Hes a role player in which there are a million around the league. 3 and D is what he provides. Hes the fifth leading scorer on the roster, which like I said...He functions better when surrounded by great players. That is the truth. Nothing failed in understanding, talent and veteran leadership wins...Not middle of the roster players. Not sure what I say thats so controversial, I am just looking back at the history of the league and what succeeds. People like to ignore that for some reason. |
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Post by solly on Jul 1, 2021 7:52:18 GMT -5
When I think Crowder was part of the trade with Isaiah Thomas to get Kyrie Irving it infuriates me. He is a starter on a team going to the finals. Got 16 pts first half & with 19 basically didn’t play any more. Morris in a losing cause has 26 pts to now. Wouldn’t it have been nice to have Tatum, Brown, Smart , Crowder & Morris, the last 2 instead of all the garbage we have on the bench and Williams as Center. We’d maybe have been in the finals. And I’d kept Isaiah Thomas too. They wouldnt be in the finals, because they have no leadership on the court or at the top of the roster. Crowder was on the roster in 2016 and they didnt go to the finals. Hes not a difference maker to a roster, hes a middle of the roster player. Also at the time, trading IT for Kyrie was a no brainer in most people's eyes. The trade ended up not working, but Keeping Isaiah wouldnt have worked either. |
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Post by cole on Jul 1, 2021 8:47:17 GMT -5
When I think Crowder was part of the trade with Isaiah Thomas to get Kyrie Irving it infuriates me. He is a starter on a team going to the finals. Got 16 pts first half & with 19 basically didn’t play any more. Morris in a losing cause has 26 pts to now. Wouldn’t it have been nice to have Tatum, Brown, Smart , Crowder & Morris, the last 2 instead of all the garbage we have on the bench and Williams as Center. We’d maybe have been in the finals. And I’d kept Isaiah Thomas too. They wouldnt be in the finals, because they have no leadership on the court or at the top of the roster. Crowder was on the roster in 2016 and they didnt go to the finals. Hes not a difference maker to a roster, hes a middle of the roster player. Also at the time, trading IT for Kyrie was a no brainer in most people's eyes. The trade ended up not working, but Keeping Isaiah wouldnt have worked either. We would have a number 6 pick though |
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Post by rkarp1 on Jul 1, 2021 8:48:01 GMT -5
I think for the Suns, Crowder fits his role well. he is a leader on the team, with out commanding a lot of points, touches or even minutes against some teams
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Post by croc on Jul 1, 2021 9:19:52 GMT -5
Crowder is a nice complimentary piece not a key to a championship
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Post by solly on Jul 1, 2021 9:28:58 GMT -5
They wouldnt be in the finals, because they have no leadership on the court or at the top of the roster. Crowder was on the roster in 2016 and they didnt go to the finals. Hes not a difference maker to a roster, hes a middle of the roster player. Also at the time, trading IT for Kyrie was a no brainer in most people's eyes. The trade ended up not working, but Keeping Isaiah wouldnt have worked either. We would have a number 6 pick though I think that turned into number 8 Sexton right? Depending on who they wouldve taken...To me, thats not helping progress the team in that time span. That deal was still a no brainer for most |
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Post by cole on Jul 1, 2021 9:49:34 GMT -5
We would have a number 6 pick though I think that turned into number 8 Sexton right? Depending on who they wouldve taken...To me, thats not helping progress the team in that time span. That deal was still a no brainer for most Sexton is who Cleveland took. I thought at 6. Could be 8 Kind of like you said my thought at the time was well, I guess it makes sense. But then I'm not being paid millions of dollars to know these things am I? Would it be wrong to expect more from Danny? Especially when it comes to the personal issues around the players. Isaiah had way more reason to be upset with your organization but he always left the door open and he will always be a Celtic and loved by Boston. At least if we'd accept him, we wouldn't have Kyrie taking potshots at the city and organization. I think Danny can get some blame for that |
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 1, 2021 10:16:57 GMT -5
When I think Crowder was part of the trade with Isaiah Thomas to get Kyrie Irving it infuriates me. He is a starter on a team going to the finals. Got 16 pts first half & with 19 basically didn’t play any more. Morris in a losing cause has 26 pts to now. Wouldn’t it have been nice to have Tatum, Brown, Smart , Crowder & Morris, the last 2 instead of all the garbage we have on the bench and Williams as Center. We’d maybe have been in the finals. And I’d kept Isaiah Thomas too. They wouldnt be in the finals, because they have no leadership on the court or at the top of the roster. Crowder was on the roster in 2016 and they didnt go to the finals. Hes not a difference maker to a roster, hes a middle of the roster player. Also at the time, trading IT for Kyrie was a no brainer in most people's eyes. The trade ended up not working, but Keeping Isaiah wouldnt have worked either. you and your leadership theory. Needed but it is not everything. With the Hawks, your theory is quickly rejected. |
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 1, 2021 10:25:11 GMT -5
I always liked role player Crowder. What he lacked in raw skills and finesse, he more than made up for in blue collar hustle and toughness, much like Smart does now. (Besides, Jae was part of the trade that mercifully sent R9R FAR, FAR AWAY.)
A quote from a month ago from one of our most active, obsessive, controversial posters: "I don’t understand the obsession with looking back on the role players that we now wish we had...all role players look better when they’re lead by great players.
Jae Crowder would be useless here"
I disagree and suggest that there is a awful lot that this poster has failed to "understand" over time.
Crowder and Morris both played important roles in Beantown and they played them very well.
Their leaving created holes yet to be filled in the Celtic roster.
Pud
Jae Crowder was here and they went to 0 NBA finals. The problem with the Celtiics wasnt that they were missing Jae Crowder, they were missing Chris Paul type players. Hes been to Cleveland, Utah, Memphis and Miami since he left and has won nothing. Hes a role player in which there are a million around the league. 3 and D is what he provides. Hes the fifth leading scorer on the roster, which like I said...He functions better when surrounded by great players. That is the truth. Nothing failed in understanding, talent and veteran leadership wins...Not middle of the roster players. Not sure what I say thats so controversial, I am just looking back at the history of the league and what succeeds. People like to ignore that for some reason. leadership comes from above otherwise why would you explain cp3 didnt make it before? Now all of the sudden cp3 is a leader? Theory rejected. |
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Post by kyceltic on Jul 1, 2021 10:34:27 GMT -5
Booker, Chris Paul and Ayton are great, but replace their role players with the Celtics role players and they're home watching the playoffs!! Role players win championships! Ray Allen, Steve Kerr, John Paxon, Robert Horry the list goes on and on!!
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Post by cole on Jul 1, 2021 10:52:07 GMT -5
Booker, Chris Paul and Ayton are great, but replace their role players with the Celtics role players and they're home watching the playoffs!! Role players win championships! Ray Allen, Steve Kerr, John Paxon, Robert Horry the list goes on and on!! As they would say on Sesame Street, one of your list is not like the others. |
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Post by solly on Jul 1, 2021 10:54:54 GMT -5
They wouldnt be in the finals, because they have no leadership on the court or at the top of the roster. Crowder was on the roster in 2016 and they didnt go to the finals. Hes not a difference maker to a roster, hes a middle of the roster player. Also at the time, trading IT for Kyrie was a no brainer in most people's eyes. The trade ended up not working, but Keeping Isaiah wouldnt have worked either. you and your leadership theory. Needed but it is not everything. With the Hawks, your theory is quickly rejected. With the Hawks, in an aberration year it seems due to injuries. So because 1 team in the history of the league might make it to the finals...you all of a sudden dont need veteran leadership. Ask Phoenix how much Chris Paul helped Id much rather have on court leadership on my teams, given the leagues history of champions. Young teams generally do not win |
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Post by solly on Jul 1, 2021 10:59:52 GMT -5
Jae Crowder was here and they went to 0 NBA finals. The problem with the Celtiics wasnt that they were missing Jae Crowder, they were missing Chris Paul type players. Hes been to Cleveland, Utah, Memphis and Miami since he left and has won nothing. Hes a role player in which there are a million around the league. 3 and D is what he provides. Hes the fifth leading scorer on the roster, which like I said...He functions better when surrounded by great players. That is the truth. Nothing failed in understanding, talent and veteran leadership wins...Not middle of the roster players. Not sure what I say thats so controversial, I am just looking back at the history of the league and what succeeds. People like to ignore that for some reason. leadership comes from above otherwise why would you explain cp3 didnt make it before? Now all of the sudden cp3 is a leader? Theory rejected. What theory? That you need veteran leadership to win a championship? You reject that? We can go down the list of champions if youd like. CP3 didnt make it before because hes not good enough to carry a team as the best player on it...This year hes got a great team with another great player, along with the league being injured. Lets not act like Lebron, AD, Kawhi etc all being injured/out hasnt played a huge role in how the playoffs are being determined. |
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Post by solly on Jul 1, 2021 11:00:57 GMT -5
Booker, Chris Paul and Ayton are great, but replace their role players with the Celtics role players and they're home watching the playoffs!! Role players win championships! Ray Allen, Steve Kerr, John Paxon, Robert Horry the list goes on and on!! Lebron James, Michael Jordan, Kobe/Shaq. Do you think those players had a little more to do with it then the role players? Role players are on teams that win championships if the best players are good enough...Not the other way around |
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Post by kyceltic on Jul 1, 2021 11:03:32 GMT -5
Booker, Chris Paul and Ayton are great, but replace their role players with the Celtics role players and they're home watching the playoffs!! Role players win championships! Ray Allen, Steve Kerr, John Paxon, Robert Horry the list goes on and on!! As they would say on Sesame Street, one of your list is not like the others. Ray Allen at Miami was a role player! |
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