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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 14, 2021 21:33:18 GMT -5
Perhaps there is something to Tatum not feeling 100% after Covid. Many factors in play here. Yes, I agree with this. I posted a link, I believe, where he said the same thing
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 14, 2021 21:33:45 GMT -5
So maybe crusty old, blunt talking, high cred, media savvy Perk could teach solly too a little something about the ABC's of motivating players.
On 2nd thought... probably not!
Pud Teams been to 3/4 ECFs. Apparently Brad knows how to motivate players on some level AMEN!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 21:34:05 GMT -5
Too simplistic Hedly. East is stacked. Last year's team may not have made it to the finals this year.
Lets just hope that we can enjoy the rest of the season as fans. And Fierce and Cab come back soon.
It IS that simple. You said East is stacked. It wasn't last year, and we didn't keep up. Therefore, we cannot possibly be as good as we were. Sometimes simple is the answer Ah, the teacher speaks. Relative vs absolute scale. Yes, makes sense in relative scale. I was talking on absolute scale.
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Post by solly on Apr 14, 2021 21:34:46 GMT -5
Teams been to 3/4 ECFs. Apparently Brad knows how to motivate players on some level
Honestly, do you think the players from those teams needed motivation?
2015-16'
IT Bradley Crowder Smart
Olynyk Rozier Jerebko Amir Johnson
2016-17'
IT
Bradley Brown Crowder Horford Smart Rozier Amir Johnson Olynyk Jerebko
2017-18' (The Big Fiasco)
Tatum Theis Brown Baynes Horford Irving Hayward
Morris Smart
Rozier
2018-19'
Same Team
2019-20'
Kemba Hayward Brown Tatum Smart
Theis Kanter
Note how we started this run with 8 core talented/motivated players, then 10 for 3 yrs only to drop off to 6-7 last season as the team replaced talented vets with prospects. Instead of increasing talent we opted to save $ and replace our core with unproven prospects like Rob, Grant, Romeo, Semi, Javonte, Edwards and more. Hardly the way to build upon our window of opportunity ... more like a quiet rebuild.
I don’t think any players should need motivation to give effort, that’s kind of my point. Not sure what giving me the rosters is supposed to tell me here. The talent on the back half of this roster is meaningless in this discussion. It’s about getting effort out of a roster, and he’s done so for a majority of his tenure. It’s pretty simple, the players on the team follow the lead of the best player, this year it’s Tatum and the other year they woefully underachieved it was Kyrie. The on court leadership is much more important than the coaching motivation imo
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 14, 2021 21:36:26 GMT -5
We have more talent than those teams. We were the team underperforming, not those Brad coached Celtics teams have over performed for a majority of his stint. What changed in this one year? I agree. It really doesn't matter how we are playing now. We have shown that we can play better once we make the playoffs. The guy knows what he's doing, and I wish people would get off his back. The GM is the problem
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Post by solly on Apr 14, 2021 21:40:32 GMT -5
Brad coached Celtics teams have over performed for a majority of his stint. What changed in this one year? I agree. It really doesn't matter how we are playing now. We have shown that we can play better once we make the playoffs. The guy knows what he's doing, and I wish people would get off his back. The GM is the problem I just don’t see how a coaches gets the blame for lack of effort, when history shows his teams are usually high effort. The only thing changing is the rosters, on floor leaders. I am not pro Brad, even though it may seem it. I think he’s a fine coach, but I really don’t put much stock in the coaching regardless of who it is
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Post by cole on Apr 14, 2021 22:01:42 GMT -5
We have more talent than those teams. We were the team underperforming, not those Brad coached Celtics teams have over performed for a majority of his stint. What changed in this one year? It's what happens when you go from being the underdog to a favorite sometimes. When Brad picked up a lot of Flotsam and Jetsam, those guys were really desperate to play in the league. His strength seems to be making something out of nothing. He's yet to prove that he can take a good team and make it great. If he can I'll be as happy as anyone
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2021 22:09:28 GMT -5
Honestly, do you think the players from those teams needed motivation?
2015-16'
IT Bradley Crowder Smart
Olynyk Rozier Jerebko Amir Johnson
2016-17'
IT
Bradley Brown Crowder Horford Smart Rozier Amir Johnson Olynyk Jerebko
2017-18' (The Big Fiasco)
Tatum Theis Brown Baynes Horford Irving Hayward
Morris Smart
Rozier
2018-19'
Same Team
2019-20'
Kemba Hayward Brown Tatum Smart
Theis Kanter
Note how we started this run with 8 core talented/motivated players, then 10 for 3 yrs only to drop off to 6-7 last season as the team replaced talented vets with prospects. Instead of increasing talent we opted to save $ and replace our core with unproven prospects like Rob, Grant, Romeo, Semi, Javonte, Edwards and more. Hardly the way to build upon our window of opportunity ... more like a quiet rebuild.
I don’t think any players should need motivation to give effort, that’s kind of my point. Not sure what giving me the rosters is supposed to tell me here. The talent on the back half of this roster is meaningless in this discussion. It’s about getting effort out of a roster, and he’s done so for a majority of his tenure. It’s pretty simple, the players on the team follow the lead of the best player, this year it’s Tatum and the other year they woefully underachieved it was Kyrie. The on court leadership is much more important than the coaching motivation imo
That's where we disagree ... Most players on those rosters where hungry or had something to prove. IT was born with a chip on his shoulder. Hayward wanted to win a big one with Brad. Johnson was paid big $ for a s/t contract to provide leadership, defense and toughness in the paint despite his stature. There's one talented player on the list above that everyone would imagine was motivated but I think not and that's why the 2017-18' team failed despite the loss of Hayward ... Irving was traded to BOS and he had little or no input into where he was traded. I don't think he wanted to help us win. He acted indifferent and disengaged. I think he felt like we derailed his winning in Cleveland and LeBron may have departed CLE for MIA because of it. He wanted to captain his own ship just like LeBron and that wasn't gonna happen in a structured team like BOS. He never played with any ambition to win or prove something. Against the Bucks he launched shots as though aim wasn't important and he seemed to have little trust in his teammates. He even wished the Bucks well!
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Post by sfbosfan on Apr 14, 2021 23:02:29 GMT -5
Red Sox won 9 in a row after first 3 losss. Oops, am I on the wrong board or will some of you Sox fans forgive me. In first place at 9-3 and I’m doubly happy Yankees are at 5-7. As I do in baseball, I do in basketball, love the Celtics, hate the Lakers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 0:33:27 GMT -5
I don’t think any players should need motivation to give effort, that’s kind of my point. Not sure what giving me the rosters is supposed to tell me here. The talent on the back half of this roster is meaningless in this discussion. It’s about getting effort out of a roster, and he’s done so for a majority of his tenure. It’s pretty simple, the players on the team follow the lead of the best player, this year it’s Tatum and the other year they woefully underachieved it was Kyrie. The on court leadership is much more important than the coaching motivation imo
That's where we disagree ... Most players on those rosters where hungry or had something to prove. IT was born with a chip on his shoulder. Hayward wanted to win a big one with Brad. Johnson was paid big $ for a s/t contract to provide leadership, defense and toughness in the paint despite his stature. There's one talented player on the list above that everyone would imagine was motivated but I think not and that's why the 2017-18' team failed despite the loss of Hayward ... Irving was traded to BOS and he had little or no input into where he was traded. I don't think he wanted to help us win. He acted indifferent and disengaged. I think he felt like we derailed his winning in Cleveland and LeBron may have departed CLE for MIA because of it. He wanted to captain his own ship just like LeBron and that wasn't gonna happen in a structured team like BOS. He never played with any ambition to win or prove something. Against the Bucks he launched shots as though aim wasn't important and he seemed to have little trust in his teammates. He even wished the Bucks well!
While the details can be debated, I completely agree that each player is different and each has his own agenda. Whether they engage and give effort depends upon a complex set of factors, different for each individual. After all every body is way too familiar with contract year performances. Right?
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Post by cole on Apr 15, 2021 6:23:55 GMT -5
I don’t think any players should need motivation to give effort, that’s kind of my point. Not sure what giving me the rosters is supposed to tell me here. The talent on the back half of this roster is meaningless in this discussion. It’s about getting effort out of a roster, and he’s done so for a majority of his tenure. It’s pretty simple, the players on the team follow the lead of the best player, this year it’s Tatum and the other year they woefully underachieved it was Kyrie. The on court leadership is much more important than the coaching motivation imo
That's where we disagree ... Most players on those rosters where hungry or had something to prove. IT was born with a chip on his shoulder. Hayward wanted to win a big one with Brad. Johnson was paid big $ for a s/t contract to provide leadership, defense and toughness in the paint despite his stature. There's one talented player on the list above that everyone would imagine was motivated but I think not and that's why the 2017-18' team failed despite the loss of Hayward ... Irving was traded to BOS and he had little or no input into where he was traded. I don't think he wanted to help us win. He acted indifferent and disengaged. I think he felt like we derailed his winning in Cleveland and LeBron may have departed CLE for MIA because of it. He wanted to captain his own ship just like LeBron and that wasn't gonna happen in a structured team like BOS. He never played with any ambition to win or prove something. Against the Bucks he launched shots as though aim wasn't important and he seemed to have little trust in his teammates. He even wished the Bucks well!
It took me a minute to figure out Johnson is Thompson. What I remember of the Kyrie trade is he demanded out. He demanded out and he said good things about Boston because he wanted Boston to pick him up. He didn't necessarily ask to go to Boston a month takers, but he wasn't like Anthony Davis demanding a certain place because he knew he had time to kill before KD could join him anyway He started out well but then he got injured. He got to thinking again about his original wish to go sign with KD and gave up about six months into his stay here. Maybe he wished a different team would pick him up but there was no one really available to take him where he wanted to go. It was always just get me out of here and I'll figure it out later.
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Post by solly on Apr 15, 2021 6:38:17 GMT -5
Brad coached Celtics teams have over performed for a majority of his stint. What changed in this one year? It's what happens when you go from being the underdog to a favorite sometimes. When Brad picked up a lot of Flotsam and Jetsam, those guys were really desperate to play in the league. His strength seems to be making something out of nothing. He's yet to prove that he can take a good team and make it great. If he can I'll be as happy as anyone Right I agree with that, but essentially what you’re saying is the players egos, right now are too big. I don’t think any one person can change that right away. That takes years in the league, and accomplishing all the meaningless stats the players want before they realize they want to win
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Post by cole on Apr 15, 2021 6:44:34 GMT -5
It's what happens when you go from being the underdog to a favorite sometimes. When Brad picked up a lot of Flotsam and Jetsam, those guys were really desperate to play in the league. His strength seems to be making something out of nothing. He's yet to prove that he can take a good team and make it great. If he can I'll be as happy as anyone Right I agree with that, but essentially what you’re saying is the players egos, right now are too big. I don’t think any one person can change that right away. That takes years in the league, and accomplishing all the meaningless stats the players want before they realize they want to win Yeah I get it. You think that greatness has to come within and I believe the coach's job is to help players find their greatness. I'm sure two sports psychologist could argue about it all day. But like I said from the beginning I'm not really mad at Brad. I'm mad at Danny. We should have a really good Center or some kind of a good big man now while our team is together. We should have either Tristan Thompson or Robert Williams as the backup
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Post by solly on Apr 15, 2021 6:45:23 GMT -5
I don’t think any players should need motivation to give effort, that’s kind of my point. Not sure what giving me the rosters is supposed to tell me here. The talent on the back half of this roster is meaningless in this discussion. It’s about getting effort out of a roster, and he’s done so for a majority of his tenure. It’s pretty simple, the players on the team follow the lead of the best player, this year it’s Tatum and the other year they woefully underachieved it was Kyrie. The on court leadership is much more important than the coaching motivation imo
That's where we disagree ... Most players on those rosters where hungry or had something to prove. IT was born with a chip on his shoulder. Hayward wanted to win a big one with Brad. Johnson was paid big $ for a s/t contract to provide leadership, defense and toughness in the paint despite his stature. There's one talented player on the list above that everyone would imagine was motivated but I think not and that's why the 2017-18' team failed despite the loss of Hayward ... Irving was traded to BOS and he had little or no input into where he was traded. I don't think he wanted to help us win. He acted indifferent and disengaged. I think he felt like we derailed his winning in Cleveland and LeBron may have departed CLE for MIA because of it. He wanted to captain his own ship just like LeBron and that wasn't gonna happen in a structured team like BOS. He never played with any ambition to win or prove something. Against the Bucks he launched shots as though aim wasn't important and he seemed to have little trust in his teammates. He even wished the Bucks well!
Right, so these Celtics players have nothing to prove? That mindset is on the players, their egos are too big. Tatum and brown walk around like they have already won 5 championships. Brown even said it a couple years ago. To me, I don’t think you can just motivate an ego out of somebody, that takes years of massaging and realizing how to play team ball
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Post by solly on Apr 15, 2021 6:47:31 GMT -5
Right I agree with that, but essentially what you’re saying is the players egos, right now are too big. I don’t think any one person can change that right away. That takes years in the league, and accomplishing all the meaningless stats the players want before they realize they want to win Yeah I get it. You think that greatness has to come within and I believe the coach's job is to help players find their greatness. I'm sure two sports psychologist could argue about it all day. But like I said from the beginning I'm not really mad at Brad. I'm mad at Danny. We should have a really good Center or some kind of a good big man now while our team is together. We should have either Tristan Thompson or Robert Williams as the backup Right, that’s fair. I understand why a lot of people are mad at Danny as well. I’m not, simply because I don’t think there’s much he could do to elevate this team to a championship level. I think it just depends on how good Tatum and brown get, and then build from there. There’s trades I think he should’ve done as well, but at the end of the day...to me, they wouldn’t have changed the general outcome of the season
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Post by cole on Apr 15, 2021 7:23:47 GMT -5
Yeah I get it. You think that greatness has to come within and I believe the coach's job is to help players find their greatness. I'm sure two sports psychologist could argue about it all day. But like I said from the beginning I'm not really mad at Brad. I'm mad at Danny. We should have a really good Center or some kind of a good big man now while our team is together. We should have either Tristan Thompson or Robert Williams as the backup Right, that’s fair. I understand why a lot of people are mad at Danny as well. I’m not, simply because I don’t think there’s much he could do to elevate this team to a championship level. I think it just depends on how good Tatum and brown get, and then build from there. There’s trades I think he should’ve done as well, but at the end of the day...to me, they wouldn’t have changed the general outcome of the season I'm not mad at Danny about the trade deadline. Honestly I think we did pretty well. I'm mad about the last couple of off seasons
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Post by solly on Apr 15, 2021 7:25:37 GMT -5
Right, that’s fair. I understand why a lot of people are mad at Danny as well. I’m not, simply because I don’t think there’s much he could do to elevate this team to a championship level. I think it just depends on how good Tatum and brown get, and then build from there. There’s trades I think he should’ve done as well, but at the end of the day...to me, they wouldn’t have changed the general outcome of the season I'm not mad at Danny about the trade deadline. Honestly I think we did pretty well. I'm mad about the last couple of off seasons Right, I just lump them all together. All of his moves, etc
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Post by puddin on Apr 15, 2021 7:42:52 GMT -5
So maybe crusty old, blunt talking, high cred, media savvy Perk could teach solly too a little something about the ABC's of motivating players.
On 2nd thought... probably not!
Pud Teams been to 3/4 ECFs. Apparently Brad knows how to motivate players on some level A "thank you" note from CBS to Perk might seem to be in order.
Who knows.... maybe Perk can be of kind assistance again!
You just never know!!!
Pud
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Post by solly on Apr 15, 2021 7:48:42 GMT -5
Teams been to 3/4 ECFs. Apparently Brad knows how to motivate players on some level A "thank you" note from CBS to Perk might seem to be in order.
Who knows.... maybe Perk can be of kind assistance again!
You just never know!!!
Pud
Im sure Perk deserves an award for motivating 4 wins in a row in the regular season. Legendary
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Post by cole on Apr 15, 2021 8:14:05 GMT -5
A "thank you" note from CBS to Perk might seem to be in order.
Who knows.... maybe Perk can be of kind assistance again!
You just never know!!!
Pud
Im sure Perk deserves an award for motivating 4 wins in a row in the regular season. Legendary You sure can't argue with what he told our golden boy
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Post by solly on Apr 15, 2021 8:24:15 GMT -5
Im sure Perk deserves an award for motivating 4 wins in a row in the regular season. Legendary You sure can't argue with what he told our golden boy Im happy he said it, Im happy it looks like Tatum listened for now that's for sure. Sad that it takes twitter beef to get Tatum to acknowledge effort
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Post by elvissurfs on Apr 15, 2021 9:07:17 GMT -5
Red Sox won 9 in a row after first 3 losss. Oops, am I on the wrong board or will some of you Sox fans forgive me. In first place at 9-3 and I’m doubly happy Yankees are at 5-7. As I do in baseball, I do in basketball, love the Celtics, hate the Lakers. Thanks for the update...I mentioned in a thread or two back that the C's and the B's are what I am focused on now, but I do keep a bit of a watch on the Sox...also the Padres are looking quite good which is the big news down here in San Diego...big series with the Dodgers this weekend...
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Post by petey62 on Apr 15, 2021 10:01:55 GMT -5
Wow, Lamarcus Aldridge RETIRES immediately. He's done.
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LaMarcus Aldridge Announces Retirement Following Health Scareby Luke Adams![](https://cdn.hoopsrumors.com/files/2021/04/LaMarcus-Aldridge-Nets-200x300.jpg) Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
Nets big man LaMarcus Aldridge has retired as an NBA player, announcing his decision in a statement on Twitter. As Aldridge explains, he made the decision after experiencing an irregular heartbeat during his most recent game.
“Though I’m better now, what I felt with my heart that night was still one of the scariest things I’ve experienced,” Aldridge said in his statement. “With that being said, I’ve made the difficult decision to retire from the NBA. For 15 years, I’ve put basketball first, and now, it is time to put my health and family first.”
Aldridge’s irregular heartbeat last Saturday wasn’t the first time he has dealt with a heart-related health issue. He was diagnosed with Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome as a rookie in 2007 and missed time in 2017 due to a hearth arrhythmia. Jeff McDonald of The San Antonio Express-News wrote more in ’17 about Aldridge’s heart history.
Aldridge, who gave up a significant chunk of his remaining 2020/21 salary in a buyout agreement with the Spurs last month, joined the Nets as a free agent in the hopes of earning his first championship ring. However, the 35-year-old was only able to appear in five games for Brooklyn before making the decision to call it a career.
Nets general manager Sean Marks said in a statement of his own today that the franchise fully supports Aldridge’s decision, as Ian Begley of SNY.tv relays (via Twitter).
“While we value what he has brought to our team during his short time in Brooklyn, his health and well-being are far more important than the game of basketball,” Marks said. “We know this was not an easy decision for him, but after careful consideration and consultation with numerous medical experts, he made the best decision for him, his family, and his life after basketball.”
Aldridge, the second overall pick in the 2006 draft out of Texas, averaged 19.4 points and 8.2 rebounds in 1,029 career NBA regular season games for the Trail Blazers, Spurs, and Nets. He contributed 20.8 PPG and 8.5 RPG in another 72 postseason contests.
Aldridge was named to the NBA All-Star team seven times over the course of his 15-year career, earning All-NBA honors five times — twice as a member of the Second Team and three times as part of the Third Team.
While Aldridge’s health is the Nets’ primary concern for now, it’s worth noting that his retirement will have a significant impact on Brooklyn’s frontcourt rotation as the team pursues a title. Aldridge had started all five games he played for the club. Nicolas Claxton and DeAndre Jordan will handle the majority of the minutes at center with Aldridge no longer in the mix.
Whether or not Aldridge remains on Brooklyn’s roster for the rest of the season, he’ll earn his remaining salary, so the team will likely release him in a procedural move in order to sign a 15th man for the postseason.
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Post by cole on Apr 15, 2021 10:02:58 GMT -5
Wow, Lamarcus Aldridge RETIRES immediately. He's done. I'm shocked, but not shocked.
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Post by petey62 on Apr 15, 2021 10:15:47 GMT -5
Irregular heartbeat. You definitely don't wanna mess with that.
Celtics fans know what that can cause.
All the best to Lamarcus.
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