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Post by cole on Apr 14, 2021 17:40:45 GMT -5
It could be that Jayson needs someone to motivate him when he becomes indifferent to losses and his own lackadaisical play from time to time. Apparently Brad isn't the one to light a fire under his ass or embarrass him with constructive criticism to help motivate him. If Evan Turner can't get a positive response, maybe the C's need to employ Perkins. So maybe I should take back the credit I gave to Stevens and give it to perk. Our team could use him that's for sure. Not as a player but some of his attitude
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Post by puddin on Apr 14, 2021 17:44:09 GMT -5
Perk said:
"Jayson Tatum, you got paid the big bucks! You have the body language and energy level of an underpaid player and it’s hurtin the team. Time to step up and live up to your role, straight up. Carry on..."
Pud sez: Underpaid or overpaid?
Hmmmmmm......?
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Post by puddin on Apr 14, 2021 18:03:37 GMT -5
It could be that Jayson needs someone to motivate him when he becomes indifferent to losses and his own lackadaisical play from time to time. Apparently Brad isn't the one to light a fire under his ass or embarrass him with constructive criticism to help motivate him. If Evan Turner can't get a positive response, maybe the C's need to employ Perkins. It's not the job of the coach to motivate.
If a player is not self-motivated, there is little coach can do!
Right?
So job falls to mean, old, crusty, blunt spoken, tv sports personality Perk?
But you can't employ him to light fires... that not what coaches do.
How about as a "been there, done that wise old fart down/dirty team philosopher?"
Pud
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2021 18:08:57 GMT -5
It could be that Jayson needs someone to motivate him when he becomes indifferent to losses and his own lackadaisical play from time to time. Apparently Brad isn't the one to light a fire under his ass or embarrass him with constructive criticism to help motivate him. If Evan Turner can't get a positive response, maybe the C's need to employ Perkins. It's not the job of the coach to motivate.
If a player is not self-motivated, there is little coach can do!
Right?
So job falls to mean, old, crusty, blunt spoken, tv sports personality Perk?
But you can't employ him to light fires... that not what coaches do.
How about as a "been there, done that wise old fart down/dirty team philosopher?"
Pud
Better see if Hedley will sign off on a "pyromaniac" being employed as an assistant to Brad first!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 18:14:01 GMT -5
It could be that Jayson needs someone to motivate him when he becomes indifferent to losses and his own lackadaisical play from time to time. Apparently Brad isn't the one to light a fire under his ass or embarrass him with constructive criticism to help motivate him. If Evan Turner can't get a positive response, maybe the C's need to employ Perkins. So maybe I should take back the credit I gave to Stevens and give it to perk. Our team could use him that's for sure. Not as a player but some of his attitude Give credit all over. Distribute it. Stevens, Perkins, Tatum AND TT. Don't forget TT 'cause he came back. And Fournier 'cause he had a couple of good games before getting hit by Covid. To Tatum as well as he has found belief from some place.
In the end all this talk is for us. Really, it takes some weird set of things to happen for people to decide that they will focus, give extraordinary effort and compete. I am glad that the Celts appear to be on a positive swing there.
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Post by solly on Apr 14, 2021 19:25:10 GMT -5
It could be that Jayson needs someone to motivate him when he becomes indifferent to losses and his own lackadaisical play from time to time. Apparently Brad isn't the one to light a fire under his ass or embarrass him with constructive criticism to help motivate him. If Evan Turner can't get a positive response, maybe the C's need to employ Perkins. It's not the job of the coach to motivate.
If a player is not self-motivated, there is little coach can do!
Right?
So job falls to mean, old, crusty, blunt spoken, tv sports personality Perk?
But you can't employ him to light fires... that not what coaches do.
How about as a "been there, done that wise old fart down/dirty team philosopher?"
Pud
Players care about Social media and national media, I’m sure Stevens has told Tatum exactly what perk told him. He chose to listen to perk. Like I have been saying, it’s in the adult to make adult decisions. Glad he listened to somebody
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Post by cole on Apr 14, 2021 19:50:00 GMT -5
It's not the job of the coach to motivate.
If a player is not self-motivated, there is little coach can do!
Right?
So job falls to mean, old, crusty, blunt spoken, tv sports personality Perk?
But you can't employ him to light fires... that not what coaches do.
How about as a "been there, done that wise old fart down/dirty team philosopher?"
Pud
Players care about Social media and national media, I’m sure Stevens has told Tatum exactly what perk told him. He chose to listen to perk. Like I have been saying, it’s in the adult to make adult decisions. Glad he listened to somebody Or maybe I was right...it took a voice with credibility What if Brad told perk to make the post? Now that would be genius coaching
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Post by puddin on Apr 14, 2021 20:00:03 GMT -5
It's not the job of the coach to motivate.
If a player is not self-motivated, there is little coach can do!
Right?
So job falls to mean, old, crusty, blunt spoken, tv sports personality Perk?
But you can't employ him to light fires... that not what coaches do.
How about as a "been there, done that wise old fart down/dirty team philosopher?"
Pud
Players care about Social media and national media, I’m sure Stevens has told Tatum exactly what perk told him. He chose to listen to perk. Like I have been saying, it’s in the adult to make adult decisions. Glad he listened to somebody So maybe crusty old, blunt talking, high cred, media savvy Perk could teach CBS a little something about the ABC's of motivating players.
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Post by solly on Apr 14, 2021 20:01:38 GMT -5
Players care about Social media and national media, I’m sure Stevens has told Tatum exactly what perk told him. He chose to listen to perk. Like I have been saying, it’s in the adult to make adult decisions. Glad he listened to somebody Or maybe I was right...it took a voice with credibility What if Brad told perk to make the post? Now that would be genius coaching Sure, he probably thinks more highly of perk then he does Brad. If two people are telling you to do the same thing, and you ignore the first for a year. Who’s problem is it?
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Post by solly on Apr 14, 2021 20:02:55 GMT -5
Players care about Social media and national media, I’m sure Stevens has told Tatum exactly what perk told him. He chose to listen to perk. Like I have been saying, it’s in the adult to make adult decisions. Glad he listened to somebody So maybe crusty old, blunt talking, high cred, media savvy Perk could teach CBS a little something about the ABC's of motivating players.
Pud
Sure, the next time Tatum becomes a lazy player we will see what perk can do. It will happen again, cause Tatum isn’t a self motivated player Perk should coach the Spurs and warriors too, maybe the raptors
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Post by cole on Apr 14, 2021 20:10:23 GMT -5
So maybe crusty old, blunt talking, high cred, media savvy Perk could teach CBS a little something about the ABC's of motivating players.
Pud
Sure, the next time Tatum becomes a lazy player we will see what perk can do. It will happen again, cause Tatum isn’t a self motivated player Perk should coach the Spurs and warriors too, maybe the raptors We have more talent than those teams. We were the team underperforming, not those
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Post by solly on Apr 14, 2021 20:16:38 GMT -5
Sure, the next time Tatum becomes a lazy player we will see what perk can do. It will happen again, cause Tatum isn’t a self motivated player Perk should coach the Spurs and warriors too, maybe the raptors We have more talent than those teams. We were the team underperforming, not those Brad coached Celtics teams have over performed for a majority of his stint. What changed in this one year?
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2021 20:32:28 GMT -5
Or maybe I was right...it took a voice with credibility What if Brad told perk to make the post? Now that would be genius coaching Sure, he probably thinks more highly of perk then he does Brad. If two people are telling you to do the same thing, and you ignore the first for a year. Who’s problem is it?
In most cases the 1st person would have a serious problem but in this case he is teflon ...
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Post by solly on Apr 14, 2021 20:36:48 GMT -5
Sure, he probably thinks more highly of perk then he does Brad. If two people are telling you to do the same thing, and you ignore the first for a year. Who’s problem is it?
In most cases the 1st person would have a serious problem but in this case he is teflon ...
You can fire him and replace him, but that doesn’t mean he’s the problem. If you are preaching the correct things, up to the players if they want to listen
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Post by puddin on Apr 14, 2021 20:42:07 GMT -5
So maybe crusty old, blunt talking, high cred, media savvy Perk could teach CBS a little something about the ABC's of motivating players.
Pud
Sure, the next time Tatum becomes a lazy player we will see what perk can do. It will happen again, cause Tatum isn’t a self motivated player Perk should coach the Spurs and warriors too, maybe the raptors So maybe crusty old, blunt talking, high cred, media savvy Perk could teach solly too a little something about the ABC's of motivating players.
On 2nd thought... probably not!
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2021 20:45:54 GMT -5
We have more talent than those teams. We were the team underperforming, not those Brad coached Celtics teams have over performed for a majority of his stint. What changed in this one year?
Our eastern foes have added more talent than us and while we were once a "gritty," determined bunch, willing to break through walls to advance, it is now our opponents with that motivation while we have been there and are now getting paid for our past accomplishments.
It's been said before but some continue to ignore the fact that the east was a very weak conference 4 yrs ago and the C's had little if any (aside from LeBron's teams) challengers to get to the ECF. The Bucks and Sixers changed that the last few years and now the Heat, Hornets, Knicks and Hawks are catching up too. I blame Ainge for not trading an abundance of assets for key pieces when available to fill the holes and open the window more to our core who could have put some space between themselves and their opponents with 1 very good player in trade for 3 prospects and/or picks.
Now those teams have guessed right on drafting, spent on FAs when opportunity presented itself and made trades that DA would walk away from to catch up while we slow walk our way to the next bargain ... we may have gotten one in Fournier but is it too little too late?
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Post by solly on Apr 14, 2021 20:47:10 GMT -5
Sure, the next time Tatum becomes a lazy player we will see what perk can do. It will happen again, cause Tatum isn’t a self motivated player Perk should coach the Spurs and warriors too, maybe the raptors So maybe crusty old, blunt talking, high cred, media savvy Perk could teach solly too a little something about the ABC's of motivating players.
On 2nd thought... probably not!
Pud Teams been to 3/4 ECFs. Apparently Brad knows how to motivate players on some level
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2021 20:51:53 GMT -5
In most cases the 1st person would have a serious problem but in this case he is teflon ...
You can fire him and replace him, but that doesn’t mean he’s the problem. If you are preaching the correct things, up to the players if they want to listen
Maybe Danny and/or Brad made a mistake when they hired Evan Turner?
Our bigs need direction from a veteran and the team someone that knows what it means to be motivated and accomplish goals but rather than a Perk or KG we got Turner? That's the best we could do to have Even Stevens get to his players when he obviously could use some help from an experienced vet that would have instant credibility from someone that's been on the front lines?
Seems like another half hearted effort by Danny to me ... just like his trade deadline additions.
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Post by solly on Apr 14, 2021 20:52:06 GMT -5
Brad coached Celtics teams have over performed for a majority of his stint. What changed in this one year?
Our eastern foes have added more talent than us and while we were once a "gritty," determined bunch, willing to break through walls to advance, it is now our opponents with that motivation while we have been there and our getting paid for our past accomplishments.
It's been said before but some continue to ignore the fact that the east was a very weak conference 4 yrs ago and the C's had little if any (aside from LeBron's teams) challengers to get to the ECF. The Bucks and Sixers changed that the last few years and now the Heat, Hornets, Knicks and Hawks are catching up too. I blame Ainge for not trading an abundance of assets for key pieces when available to fill the holes and open the window more to our core who could have put some space between themselves and their opponents with 1 very good player in trade for 3 prospects and/or picks.
Now those teams have guessed right on drafting, spent on FAs when opportunity presented itself and made trades that DA would walk away from to catch up while we slow walk our way to the next bargain ... we may have gotten one in Fournier but is it too little too late?
I don’t disagree with a lot of that, the east was weak. But that doesn’t change the fact that the team over achieved for an amount of time. Those teams gave max effort, without a ton of talent. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the teams led by Tatum and Kyrie have been the two that underachieved so far.
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Post by solly on Apr 14, 2021 20:55:30 GMT -5
You can fire him and replace him, but that doesn’t mean he’s the problem. If you are preaching the correct things, up to the players if they want to listen
Maybe Danny and/or Brad made a mistake when they hired Evan Turner?
Our bigs need direction from a veteran and the team someone that knows what it means to be motivated and accomplish goals but rather than a Perk or KG we got Turner? That's the best we could do to have Even Stevens get to his players when he obviously could use some help from an experienced vet that would have instant credibility from someone that's been on the front lines?
Seems like another half hearted effort by Danny to me ... just like his trade deadline additions.
They need a leader on the floor, who’s also incredibly skilled...like a KG. Unfortunately those don’t grow on trees.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 21:07:41 GMT -5
Perhaps there is something to Tatum not feeling 100% after Covid. Many factors in play here.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 14, 2021 21:24:49 GMT -5
We were two wins away from the Finals last year. So, if we don't make the Finals this year, how can we be better? Too simplistic Hedly. East is stacked. Last year's team may not have made it to the finals this year.
Lets just hope that we can enjoy the rest of the season as fans. And Fierce and Cab come back soon.
It IS that simple. You said East is stacked. It wasn't last year, and we didn't keep up. Therefore, we cannot possibly be as good as we were. Sometimes simple is the answer
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 14, 2021 21:25:33 GMT -5
We were two wins away from the Finals last year. So, if we don't make the Finals this year, how can we be better? Because other teams are "MORE BETTER" to include Philly, Milwaukee, Brooklyn, the Knicks, Atlanta and even still Miami. Even Charlotte has improved much more than we have. If BKN beats us in the 2nd round, that means we would not be two wins from the Finals. But having not made it to the ECF would not be an indicator that we are better or not better than last year. I disagree.
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2021 21:26:50 GMT -5
So maybe crusty old, blunt talking, high cred, media savvy Perk could teach solly too a little something about the ABC's of motivating players.
On 2nd thought... probably not!
Pud Teams been to 3/4 ECFs. Apparently Brad knows how to motivate players on some level
Honestly, do you think the players from those teams needed motivation?
2015-16'
IT Bradley Crowder Smart
Olynyk Rozier Jerebko Amir Johnson
2016-17'
IT
Bradley Brown Crowder Horford Smart Rozier Amir Johnson Olynyk Jerebko
2017-18' (The Big Fiasco)
Tatum Theis Brown Baynes Horford Irving Hayward
Morris Smart
Rozier
2018-19'
Same Team
2019-20'
Kemba Hayward Brown Tatum Smart
Theis Kanter
Note how we started this run with 8 core talented/motivated players, then 10 for 3 yrs only to drop off to 6-7 last season as the team replaced talented vets with prospects. Instead of increasing talent we opted to save $ and replace our core with unproven prospects like Rob, Grant, Romeo, Semi, Javonte, Edwards and more. Hardly the way to build upon our window of opportunity ... more like a quiet rebuild.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 14, 2021 21:31:51 GMT -5
It's not the job of the coach to motivate.
If a player is not self-motivated, there is little coach can do!
Right?
So job falls to mean, old, crusty, blunt spoken, tv sports personality Perk?
But you can't employ him to light fires... that not what coaches do.
How about as a "been there, done that wise old fart down/dirty team philosopher?"
Pud
Better see if Hedley will sign off on a "pyromaniac" being employed as an assistant to Brad first!
He or she can be a screamer or not. But as long as they trust he knows what he's doing, they will listen.
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