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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 9:42:01 GMT -5
Cha is not about Hayward or some future big they might trade for. They are dangerous because LaMello. Hayward cannot carry a team to a championship. In 3 years, LaMello may. See my last post I agree..
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 17, 2021 9:43:06 GMT -5
I agree though, the swap of Hayward for TT was never going to make the Celtics better. That was homerism talk Agree. But so is the thought that Hayward for Turner would have made us better. Hayward isnt a top 10 wing in the league. But hes still better then every single center in the league. I agree that the Turner deal doesnt make them better either...But it was the best option available in return, which is why I wouldve done that deal No, the best option available was Hayward returning which was very much on the table until Jordan swept in with a blow away offer. Which is why I wouldnt have done it. Of course, with the benefit of hindsight (knowing we were going to lose Hay for nothing) - I would have done it. But at the time, nobody saw CHa coming. We were more worried about Atl, or NYK swooping in, then when that appeared unlikely (they signed other players), literally Cha was teh last team with enough cap room to screw us over. And probably they shouldnt have. It was a bonehead move for a team that far out. Then they got super lucky with LaMello falling into their lap. And now they look like they had this master plan. But honestly, without LaMello falling to them, they are lost/rudderless.
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 17, 2021 9:43:24 GMT -5
Cha is going to be very good very soon. Because of LaMello Ball. Like Ive been trying to tell you guys since last year. He's a franchise altering player, and there is no freaking way he should have went 3. He should have went 1. Everyone was daydreaming about Wiseman because size, size, size, size, size. And dont get me wrong Wiseman would have made a fine #1 pick most years. But LaMello is special, and Cha is going to be really good, they need to do a little rebalancing (3 point guards) The biggest reason is Ball correct. He makes the whole team better. He's one young smart player.. Rozier and Hayward are complimates not the driving force.. Agreed 100%.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 9:45:48 GMT -5
They don't choose Boston is all that matters. I don't givea f**k where they were born Durrant home town wasn't NY..Neither was Harden's Right, Durant and Kyrie had this planned a year in advance. Kyrie set that up, Harden tagged along after they were already great. He was icing. I dont agree with the players choosing the markets, I think its idiotic...But theres no doubt that Boston is not a desirable destination for a majority of the league I don't agree either with the players chosing. The fact is they do i agree,. The other fact is.. They arn't picking Boston. More to it than warm weather. NY isn't any better than Boston..
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Post by solly on Mar 17, 2021 9:46:47 GMT -5
I agree that the Turner deal doesnt make them better either...But it was the best option available in return, which is why I wouldve done that deal No, the best option available was Hayward returning which was very much on the table until Jordan swept in with a blow away offer. Which is why I wouldnt have done it. Of course, with the benefit of hindsight (knowing we were going to lose Hay for nothing) - I would have done it. But at the time, nobody saw CHa coming. We were more worried about Atl, or NYK swooping in, then when that appeared unlikely (they signed other players), literally Cha was teh last team with enough cap room to screw us over. And probably they shouldnt have. It was a bonehead move for a team that far out. Then they got super lucky with LaMello falling into their lap. And now they look like they had this master plan. But honestly, without LaMello falling to them, they are lost/rudderless. Sure, at the end of the day the team wouldve been best off with him back...It seems like he didnt like the fit here, not sure if he ever wouldve accepted an offer. At this point we would have to ask him
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Post by solly on Mar 17, 2021 9:49:12 GMT -5
Right, Durant and Kyrie had this planned a year in advance. Kyrie set that up, Harden tagged along after they were already great. He was icing. I dont agree with the players choosing the markets, I think its idiotic...But theres no doubt that Boston is not a desirable destination for a majority of the league I don't agree either with the players chosing. The fact is they do i agree,. The other fact is.. They arn't picking Boston. More to it than warm weather. NY isn't any better than Boston.. BKN is Kyries hometown, to me that explains the BKN aspect. Plus MSG and NY is simply a more high profile city than Boston. Its much easier to build a brand in NYC than it is in Boston. I dont think its just one thing or the other. I think it could be a factor of weather, city life, exposure of a brand, roots, etc. Boston is just not desirable and it is frustrating, its a great basketball town. But in todays NBA thats low on the list
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Post by elvissurfs on Mar 17, 2021 9:53:09 GMT -5
Cha is going to be very good very soon. Because of LaMello Ball. Like Ive been trying to tell you guys since last year. He's a franchise altering player, and there is no freaking way he should have went 3. He should have went 1. Everyone was daydreaming about Wiseman because size, size, size, size, size. And dont get me wrong Wiseman would have made a fine #1 pick most years. But LaMello is special, and Cha is going to be really good, they need to do a little rebalancing (3 point guards) The biggest reason is Ball correct. He makes the whole team better. He's one young smart player.. Rozier and Hayward are complimates not the driving force.. Yeah, we could really use a guard who can facilitate playmaking...with all the guards Danny has drafted and traded for, how is it that we dont have one?...
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Post by puddin on Mar 17, 2021 9:58:10 GMT -5
I have no love for Jordan.. None.. He's a conceited prick who has never used his money to help the disadvantaged.. Didn't say he was good. He looks better than Ainge as we speak.. One good player will put Cha in the elite.. One good player will give us a higher draft pick. Disagree with them being a player away from being elite. Depending on how good the player is. Same could be said for the Celtics Turns out its really hard to be elite in the NBAIts really not that doggone hard.
Beat the Celtics handily... and you are on your way.
This isn't rocket science, amigo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 9:58:54 GMT -5
Not sure why i'm even arguing Solly..
I stopped Karen .. It's no two or three year widow for the Celts. We pissed it away..
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Post by elvissurfs on Mar 17, 2021 10:02:09 GMT -5
Not sure why i'm even arguing Solly.. I stopped Karen .. It's no two or three year widow for the Celts. We pissed it away.. And just wait until Brown or Tatum leaves out of frustration...Coach needs to play the heck out of RWill and Pritchard and Nesmith and hope they all catch fire by getting some experience fast...
TT needs to go, he is taking minutes away from the Timelord...
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Post by puddin on Mar 17, 2021 10:06:28 GMT -5
Right, Durant and Kyrie had this planned a year in advance. Kyrie set that up, Harden tagged along after they were already great. He was icing. I dont agree with the players choosing the markets, I think its idiotic...But theres no doubt that Boston is not a desirable destination for a majority of the league I don't agree either with the players chosing. The fact is they do i agree,. The other fact is.. They arn't picking Boston. More to it than warm weather. NY isn't any better than Boston.. Time for a new PR messaging campaign about the joys of living in Beantown?
You bet!!!
(Just ignore the silly parts about Denver and LA, BTW)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 10:07:12 GMT -5
''''TT needs to go, he is taking minutes away from the Timelord.''''
Stevens has done a fine job of that without TT.. He holding back NaSmith it seems also..
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Post by solly on Mar 17, 2021 10:09:19 GMT -5
Not sure why i'm even arguing Solly.. I stopped Karen .. It's no two or three year widow for the Celts. We pissed it away.. its not arguing, just a friendly discussion. We can bash the sox when they are 10 games under too. Dont worry Im excited for them to begin.
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Post by petey62 on Mar 17, 2021 10:13:57 GMT -5
Jordan used to be the laughingstock of NBA personnel decisions but he sure has CHA headed in the right direction.
He's got six players scoring in double figures with 2 more at 9.7 and 9.6 PPG. He has developed a solid core of young guys with some veteran players and they're playing great led by LaMelo.
Think about it, LaMelo is the straw that stirs the drink but the complimates (Hayward, Rozier) are both averaging at least 20 PPG and so many others can score and provide depth (Bridges, Washington, Graham, Monk). That's 8 solid wing players that would get significant minutes if they were in Boston. Any of those players, on our roster, makes us better than we are with our current role players.
You have to give him credit for creating this roster. Honestly, CHA is sitting in a much better long-term position that are the Celtics.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 10:18:55 GMT -5
I don't agree either with the players chosing. The fact is they do i agree,. The other fact is.. They arn't picking Boston. More to it than warm weather. NY isn't any better than Boston.. Time for a new PR messaging campaign about the joys of living in Beantown?
You bet!!!
(Just ignore the silly parts about Denver and LA, BTW)
Pud
That is the only song i like by him.. Never cared for Loggins & Messina either.. Stay outa the message parlors please your cannabis eyes might be mistaken for Asian..
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Post by solly on Mar 17, 2021 10:19:06 GMT -5
Jordan used to be the laughingstock of NBA personnel decisions but he sure has CHA headed in the right direction. He's got six players scoring in double figures with 2 more at 9.7 and 9.6 PPG. He has developed a solid core of young guys with some veteran players and they're playing great led by LaMelo. Think about it, LaMelo is the straw that stirs the drink but the complimates (Hayward, Rozier) are both averaging at least 20 PPG and so many others can score and provide depth (Bridges, Washington, Graham, Monk). That's 8 solid wing players that would get significant minutes if they were in Boston. Any of those players, on our roster, makes us better than we are with our current role players. You have to give him credit for creating this roster. Honestly, CHA is sitting in a much better long-term position that are the Celtics.I dont know about that last part. I think the Celtics have 2 future elite scorers, while the Hornets dont look to have any. Sure Lamelo is a great playmaker, who will develop...But hes not a great iso scorer. In playoff series that is needed, and its the hardest ability to find. There arent many of them out there I think the Celtics could benefit from a point guard with LaMelos skill set though, like a Rondo...Who can get these guys some easier shots
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 10:22:38 GMT -5
Not sure why i'm even arguing Solly.. I stopped Karen .. It's no two or three year widow for the Celts. We pissed it away.. its not arguing, just a friendly discussion. We can bash the sox when they are 10 games under too. Dont worry Im excited for them to begin. me too.. So much i think i'll travel to Boston for a game or two if i can before i leave.. Might hang out around Marblehead for a couple days .
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Post by puddin on Mar 17, 2021 10:30:17 GMT -5
Time for a new PR messaging campaign about the joys of living in Beantown?
You bet!!!
(Just ignore the silly parts about Denver and LA, BTW)
Pud
That is the only song i like by him.. Never cared for Loggins & Messina either.. Stay outa the message parlors please your cannabis eyes might be mistaken for Asian.. Age restrictions for viewing? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ?
Hmmmmm.... old age is a bitch, PeeWee!
Pud
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 17, 2021 10:33:46 GMT -5
I think the Turner deal would have made us better for two reasons" 1. It also included McBuckets. He's averaging 13.4 this season, and watching our bench last night, I think another 13 points would have helped. 2. Thompson - we wouldn't have him, we'd have Turner, and that MLE (although smaller) could have been used on another player, preferably one who can shoot.
Having this big TPE right now isn't helping us. And if I have to wait until the end of the year.............well, I'll be pissed.
BTW - Happy St. Patrick's Day to all Celtics fans!!
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Post by petey62 on Mar 17, 2021 10:36:18 GMT -5
Jordan used to be the laughingstock of NBA personnel decisions but he sure has CHA headed in the right direction. He's got six players scoring in double figures with 2 more at 9.7 and 9.6 PPG. He has developed a solid core of young guys with some veteran players and they're playing great led by LaMelo. Think about it, LaMelo is the straw that stirs the drink but the complimates (Hayward, Rozier) are both averaging at least 20 PPG and so many others can score and provide depth (Bridges, Washington, Graham, Monk). That's 8 solid wing players that would get significant minutes if they were in Boston. Any of those players, on our roster, makes us better than we are with our current role players. You have to give him credit for creating this roster. Honestly, CHA is sitting in a much better long-term position that are the Celtics.I dont know about that last part. I think the Celtics have 2 future elite scorers, while the Hornets dont look to have any. Sure Lamelo is a great playmaker, who will develop...But hes not a great iso scorer. In playoff series that is needed, and its the hardest ability to find. There arent many of them out there I think the Celtics could benefit from a point guard with LaMelos skill set though, like a Rondo...Who can get these guys some easier shots We don't have great iso scorers now, not yet. When you look at the production of our Jays, last night, for instance, their play resulted in several quarters with just 1 FG by one of them, which is unacceptable. LaMelo gets everyone involved and that's evident by the fact that almost 8 players are in double figure scoring. All it takes to derail us is to double JT or JB and " you got us figured out". You can't do that with the depth CHA has. Having two " soon-to-be" elite scorers (2 years out) still might not be better than having 8 " capable" ones and a " soon-to-be" elite ball distributor. The Jays had 29 and 28 last night, respectively, even with each of them having at least a quarter in which they scored only 1 FG. With an elite distributor like LaMelo distributing the ball to 7 other, capable players, they won't be as impacted by "elite scorers" having 1 FG quarters like we encounter on a frequent basis.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 10:37:23 GMT -5
Old and in the way Pud i admit..
Just a trick by You Tube to sign in with FB or an email.. Nothing obscene/
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 17, 2021 10:40:29 GMT -5
A little Irish humor for you all: Many many nights spent at the Irish Village in West Yarmouth
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 10:48:59 GMT -5
I dont know about that last part. I think the Celtics have 2 future elite scorers, while the Hornets dont look to have any. Sure Lamelo is a great playmaker, who will develop...But hes not a great iso scorer. In playoff series that is needed, and its the hardest ability to find. There arent many of them out there I think the Celtics could benefit from a point guard with LaMelos skill set though, like a Rondo...Who can get these guys some easier shots We don't have great iso scorers now, not yet. When you look at the production of our Jays, last night, for instance, their play resulted in several quarters with just 1 FG by one of them, which is unacceptable. LaMelo gets everyone involved and that's evident by the fact that almost 8 players are in double figure scoring. All it takes to derail us is to double JT or JB and " you got us figured out". You can't do that with the depth CHA has. Having two " soon-to-be" elite scorers (2 years out) still might not be better than having 8 " capable" ones and a " soon-to-be" elite ball distributor. The Jays had 29 and 28 last night, respectively, even with each of them having at least a quarter in which they scored only 1 FG. With an elite distributor like LaMelo distributing the ball to 7 other, capable players, they won't be as impacted by "elite scorers" having 1 FG quarters like we encounter on a frequent basis. Your last para makes a lot of sense.. Smart has had only two assists the past two games. Lets hope he picks it up.. Walker won't
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Post by petey62 on Mar 17, 2021 10:53:01 GMT -5
But che, that distributor has to have more than JT and JB to pass the ball to who are capable of getting buckets.
That's a big problem we have. LaMelo dishing to GWill or Semi or Theis isn't necessarily going to result in better production because those guys aren't Washington, Hayward, Rozier, Bridges, Graham, or Monk.
The distributor is successful because the distributee can convert the assist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 10:54:05 GMT -5
Damn Patty,, Should have figured you like Irish traditional..
I have 000% Irish but i'm in love with ZOE
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