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Post by fierce on Jan 26, 2021 11:02:21 GMT -5
I don't know about that. Against Miami, GWill only averaged 8 minutes per game. The most minutes he got in one game was 10 minutes. and that was the criticisim of many not only here but around the nba. Brad could have used GW much more than what he did proving in favor of his ability to manage adebayo. The numbers don't support your theory. Against the Sixers in the 1st round, GWill averaged 10 minutes per game. In the 2nd round versus Toronto, GWill averaged 11.6 minutes per game. GWill got the least amount of playing time against the Heat, 8 minutes per game. The good news is there's still time this season. GWill can prove doubters wrong until the trade deadline. But some here, including Admin, would trade GWill and keep Semi.
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 26, 2021 11:18:27 GMT -5
Smart ... he will lead the green team and PP will be Kemba's backup. Teague will be relegated the bench backup until the next injury occurs. I hope you're right,because that's how it should be, but I'll believe it when I see it!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 26, 2021 11:21:17 GMT -5
Ive also been thinking about Kemba as sixth man. Smart appears to be the chemistry-with-the-passes. More of a facilitator. And he's not shooting enough to kill us. Plus everything else he brings. Kemba could run the second unit. But I dont think Theis/TT on the court together for big minutes is a long-term thing. Like others have said, certain matchups, sure. But if we want to win, thats a lot of mediocrity to be putting out there night in/night out. You can get away with it agianst the Bulls. In the long run, they wont pay Kemba that much money and bring him off the bench. Maybe itll work while hes coming back from the knee injury, but he will be in the starting lineup when his restrictions are off would be my guess. Agree on TT/Theis. Just not enough scoring/shooting ability against great teams, especially in the half court with those guys on the floor. I agree with you. In THEORY it's a great idea to keep up the bench scoring. But he's always been a starter, and I think will continue to be.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 26, 2021 11:24:55 GMT -5
I'm not for trading Kemba. I don't think he's the problem, number 1, and number 2, I don't see who we could get of equal value that will give us his production.
Use the TPE on a veteran scoring option off the bench. Pritchard, Nesmith, Romeo et al may be fine in the regular season, but we need someone to help come playoff time
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 26, 2021 11:28:01 GMT -5
Where's Solly?? Oh i forgot this is only regular season! Sorry as an adult with responsibilities I couldnt catch the 9pm game against the Chicago Bulls! Im a bad fan! What are doing, working second shift down at the factory??
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Post by fierce on Jan 26, 2021 11:28:44 GMT -5
I'm not for trading Kemba. I don't think he's the problem, number 1, and number 2, I don't see who we could get of equal value that will give us his production. Use the TPE on a veteran scoring option off the bench. Pritchard, Nesmith, Romeo et al may be fine in the regular season, but we need someone to help come playoff time Agree with you on Kemba, we just won't get equal value. I think part of the TPE should be used on PJ Tucker. What you think of Tucker?
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 26, 2021 11:35:39 GMT -5
We can all have wish lists but lets not forget that other teams have their wish lists as well. We might not have Adebayo as a PF but we have JB and JT in other spots. We have a very solid team that is and has been inconsistent for years. I keep saying, its on brad or on these two stars to make it work. IMO we could cruise at least to the conference finals if this group got into the habit of sharing the ball. Then I see Kemba come in and do his cardiac moves and it defies the purpose of that team ball. Yesterday it was JB and JT on other ocassions. Rookie is three of three from the 3 wide open and doesnt get the ball. Is shit like that that stops us. Is not not having that ideal PF or that ideal Center. Its on the team, the culture. Having said that, i think they are playing better than last year. Agree with you on sharing the ball. Lakers look dominant right now because they play excellent team ball. I think the Celts just lack maturity. Hopefully they will mature this season. The Lakers have shooters at every position, it's easy to share the ball! Brown, Kemba and Tatum don't have that luxury yet!
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Post by fierce on Jan 26, 2021 11:38:51 GMT -5
Agree with you on sharing the ball. Lakers look dominant right now because they play excellent team ball. I think the Celts just lack maturity. Hopefully they will mature this season. The Lakers have shooters at every position, it's easy to share the ball! Brown, Kemba and Tatum don't have that luxury yet! True. Redick and Tucker or Thad Young fit the TPE.
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 26, 2021 12:16:24 GMT -5
The Lakers have shooters at every position, it's easy to share the ball! Brown, Kemba and Tatum don't have that luxury yet! True. Redick and Tucker or Thad Young fit the TPE. I'm holding out for Barnes and Bjelica! Otherwise we should have taken Turner and McDermott!
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Post by drewski6 on Jan 26, 2021 12:45:01 GMT -5
Ive also been thinking about Kemba as sixth man. Smart appears to be the chemistry-with-the-passes. More of a facilitator. And he's not shooting enough to kill us. Plus everything else he brings. Kemba could run the second unit. But I dont think Theis/TT on the court together for big minutes is a long-term thing. Like others have said, certain matchups, sure. But if we want to win, thats a lot of mediocrity to be putting out there night in/night out. You can get away with it agianst the Bulls.True. That's why it's a good thing the Celts didn't pull the trigger on Indy's offer. The TPE will be the solution to the mediocrity that you're talking about. If its Vooch, hell yeah, it will.
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Post by drewski6 on Jan 26, 2021 12:46:03 GMT -5
Dont know why the bad vibe against GW. He is actually a decent player. He does the little things. Yesterday he had a good stint towards the end. He has had bad games but he will continue to improve and be more consistent as we go on further into the season. Just like Rozier when he was here. He got all the bashing during regular season but was the most consistent player in the playoffs. Expect the same from GW. Its that guys like Green and Nesmith are doing more with their minutes.
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Post by drewski6 on Jan 26, 2021 12:49:27 GMT -5
Yeah, they are not paying Kemba 34m to be a bench player...plus it would radically affect the ability to trade him...a trade can be justified now because we have potentially a young inexpensive option in Pritchard... Ya, Kemba is still valuable because he can create his own shot and is still a solid scoring option. The offense gets stagnant in the halfcourt of these playoff series because their 3 best scorers (Kemba, Tatum, Brown) are all ball in their hands, iso scorers. And if they arent on their game, they dont get many easy shots in crunch time. I think theyd benefit from a true, get in the paint on the Pick and Roll and distribute type point guard. Id be all for trading him, but Pritchard is not a guy id fall back on just yet. I agree. Im not trying to demote Kemba to the bench, just freeing him up to be a high volume scorer while leaving the facilitator (Smart) in there with the big guns. At the end of big games, it really should be Smart, Kemba, Jaylen, Tatum, Center. With the exception of certain matchups where youd want to go big. But I dont know who you take out if you are starting 2 bigs. Kemba vs Smart. Regardless of whom is paid what, you want to win games. My guess is neither and the days of the 2 big lineups are numbered.
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Post by solly on Jan 26, 2021 12:54:59 GMT -5
Sorry as an adult with responsibilities I couldnt catch the 9pm game against the Chicago Bulls! Im a bad fan! What are doing, working second shift down at the factory?? Yep thats the only other thing I could be doing!!!!
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Post by cole on Jan 26, 2021 13:24:27 GMT -5
Ya, Kemba is still valuable because he can create his own shot and is still a solid scoring option. The offense gets stagnant in the halfcourt of these playoff series because their 3 best scorers (Kemba, Tatum, Brown) are all ball in their hands, iso scorers. And if they arent on their game, they dont get many easy shots in crunch time. I think theyd benefit from a true, get in the paint on the Pick and Roll and distribute type point guard. Id be all for trading him, but Pritchard is not a guy id fall back on just yet. I agree. Im not trying to demote Kemba to the bench, just freeing him up to be a high volume scorer while leaving the facilitator (Smart) in there with the big guns. At the end of big games, it really should be Smart, Kemba, Jaylen, Tatum, Center. With the exception of certain matchups where youd want to go big. But I dont know who you take out if you are starting 2 bigs. Kemba vs Smart. Regardless of whom is paid what, you want to win games. My guess is neither and the days of the 2 big lineups are numbered. Personally I like the idea of bringing him off the bench like Crawford.
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 26, 2021 13:33:31 GMT -5
I'm ready to move Nesmith I'm front of Semi and Gwill in the pecking order!
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Post by solly on Jan 26, 2021 13:36:32 GMT -5
I agree. Im not trying to demote Kemba to the bench, just freeing him up to be a high volume scorer while leaving the facilitator (Smart) in there with the big guns. At the end of big games, it really should be Smart, Kemba, Jaylen, Tatum, Center. With the exception of certain matchups where youd want to go big. But I dont know who you take out if you are starting 2 bigs. Kemba vs Smart. Regardless of whom is paid what, you want to win games. My guess is neither and the days of the 2 big lineups are numbered. Personally I like the idea of bringing him off the bench like Crawford. I think realistically, just based on skillset that this team benefits with him on the bench. I just dont think they value him/contract that way
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 26, 2021 13:56:46 GMT -5
I'm not for trading Kemba. I don't think he's the problem, number 1, and number 2, I don't see who we could get of equal value that will give us his production. Use the TPE on a veteran scoring option off the bench. Pritchard, Nesmith, Romeo et al may be fine in the regular season, but we need someone to help come playoff time Agree with you on Kemba, we just won't get equal value. I think part of the TPE should be used on PJ Tucker. What you think of Tucker? I think he's a 35 yr old GWill, and we can do better
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 26, 2021 13:57:37 GMT -5
True. Redick and Tucker or Thad Young fit the TPE. I'm holding out for Barnes and Bjelica! Otherwise we should have taken Turner and McDermott! A man I agree with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 13:58:51 GMT -5
The Celts are starting to remind me of the Warriors in 2015. The Js are showing the same kind of ascension as the Splash Brothers. I really like the starting 5 of Kemba, JB, JT, Theis and TT. There are no offensive problems with this line up provided Theis continues to get comfortable at 4. I am starting to see that. JT and JB bring it on defense and this group will be able to hide Kemba's defensive liability.
Smart should be the 6th man and RWill the bench big. We could use another big wing but who will want to be here and be at the fringe of the rotation? That is the obvious hole. We can always hope that the competition pushes one or both of Langford and Nesmith to become good contributor. That will be a fantastic development for the Celts.
Pritchard, GWill and Semi are the insurance policies. It will be great to bring in Aaron Baynes back for spot duty and insurance big.
I see that the roster seems pretty much set. Yes, there are unknowns. I suggest that we take the chance that one of Langford/Nesmith will become a solid #8 man in the rotation. Just bring in Baynes using the TPE and pray to the injury gods.
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Post by Cabutan on Jan 26, 2021 14:20:37 GMT -5
and that was the criticisim of many not only here but around the nba. Brad could have used GW much more than what he did proving in favor of his ability to manage adebayo. The numbers don't support your theory. Against the Sixers in the 1st round, GWill averaged 10 minutes per game. In the 2nd round versus Toronto, GWill averaged 11.6 minutes per game. GWill got the least amount of playing time against the Heat, 8 minutes per game. The good news is there's still time this season. GWill can prove doubters wrong until the trade deadline. But some here, including Admin, would trade GWill and keep Semi. is not a theory. It was a fact. It was presented on last years playoffs broken down in numbers that gw was doing a better job on adebayo. So stop downplaying it. Just because you dont like it does not mean that it actually did not take place. You just have to deal with it
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 26, 2021 14:21:27 GMT -5
The Celts are starting to remind me of the Warriors in 2015. The Js are showing the same kind of ascension as the Splash Brothers. I really like the starting 5 of Kemba, JB, JT, Theis and TT. There are no offensive problems with this line up provided Theis continues to get comfortable at 4. I am starting to see that. JT and JB bring it on defense and this group will be able to hide Kemba's defensive liability. Smart should be the 6th man and RWill the bench big. We could use another big wing but who will want to be here and be at the fringe of the rotation? That is the obvious hole. We can always hope that the competition pushes one or both of Langford and Nesmith to become good contributor. That will be a fantastic development for the Celts. Pritchard, GWill and Semi are the insurance policies. It will be great to bring in Aaron Baynes back for spot duty and insurance big. I see that the roster seems pretty much set. Yes, there are unknowns. I suggest that we take the chance that one of Langford/Nesmith will become a solid #8 man in the rotation. Just bring in Baynes using the TPE and pray to the injury gods. Agree with everything you said, except Baynes. He won't move the needle for us, but I loved him when he was here. Fill the obvious hole, as you alluded to earlier, and we're good
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 15:22:29 GMT -5
The Celts are starting to remind me of the Warriors in 2015. The Js are showing the same kind of ascension as the Splash Brothers. I really like the starting 5 of Kemba, JB, JT, Theis and TT. There are no offensive problems with this line up provided Theis continues to get comfortable at 4. I am starting to see that. JT and JB bring it on defense and this group will be able to hide Kemba's defensive liability. Smart should be the 6th man and RWill the bench big. We could use another big wing but who will want to be here and be at the fringe of the rotation? That is the obvious hole. We can always hope that the competition pushes one or both of Langford and Nesmith to become good contributor. That will be a fantastic development for the Celts. Pritchard, GWill and Semi are the insurance policies. It will be great to bring in Aaron Baynes back for spot duty and insurance big. I see that the roster seems pretty much set. Yes, there are unknowns. I suggest that we take the chance that one of Langford/Nesmith will become a solid #8 man in the rotation. Just bring in Baynes using the TPE and pray to the injury gods. Agree with everything you said, except Baynes. He won't move the needle for us, but I loved him when he was here. Fill the obvious hole, as you alluded to earlier, and we're good Baynes is our Kanter replacement against Embiid. Bang and bang and bang so the Embiid is tired in Q4. Also an insurance policy against RWill or TT getting hurt.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 26, 2021 15:56:53 GMT -5
Feb. 6: most players who signed free-agent contracts in the offseason can begin to be traded. A team that is expected to be prominent in the trade market picture, rival teams expect: The New Orleans Pelicans. The franchise is off to an uneven 5-10 start to the season. New Orleans has been receiving calls about the availability of Lonzo Ball and JJ Redick and has shown an openness to discussing trades around both with interested teams, sources tell The Athletic. A move would create a clearer pathway for young guards Nickeil Alexander-Walker and Kira Lewis in the Pelicans’ rotation. – via Shams Charania @ The Athletic Top Rumors, Trade, JJ Redick, Kira Lewis, Lonzo Ball, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, New Orleans Pelicans
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 26, 2021 15:57:26 GMT -5
New York and the Clippers are among interested teams in Pistons guard Derrick Rose, sources said. Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau has a long history with Rose, coaching the former league MVP in Chicago and Minnesota. – via Shams Charania @ The Athletic Top Rumors, Tom Thibodeau, Trade, Derrick Rose, Detroit Pistons, Los Angeles Clippers, New York Knicks
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 26, 2021 15:57:52 GMT -5
The Warriors and Pelicans discussed a potential deal involving Kelly Oubre Jr., sources said. There isn’t traction as of yet. Like many conversations around this time, it is a scenario. – via Shams Charania @ The Athletic Top Rumors, Trade, Kelly Oubre, Golden State Warriors, New Orleans Pelicans
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