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Post by croc on Jan 13, 2021 9:00:30 GMT -5
I think he needs to stop doing that. He should stay in his lane. Plays. Position assignments. Strategy. Not scouting and projection of abilities. Ya I dont think thats ever gonna happen. He has full control of the organization, no reason to give it up Supposedly a light has gone on in his head - ya we'll see. Per Bedard at BSJ BB had to do a real sell job for Ziegler to stay on If that's accurate there is some hope. His buddy Saban is putting most of his eggs in the O basket now. He has some excellent WR and other athletes in the draft. Even if BB goes with one/some of them, he probably does well. |
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Post by solly on Jan 13, 2021 10:42:10 GMT -5
Ya I dont think thats ever gonna happen. He has full control of the organization, no reason to give it up Supposedly a light has gone on in his head - ya we'll see. Per Bedard at BSJ BB had to do a real sell job for Ziegler to stay on If that's accurate there is some hope. His buddy Saban is putting most of his eggs in the O basket now. He has some excellent WR and other athletes in the draft. Even if BB goes with one/some of them, he probably does well. Ya begging to keep a Yes man on the staff. Kidding but seriously who knows. Saban definitely has gone full offense in recruiting, etc. |
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Post by croc on Jan 15, 2021 13:58:06 GMT -5
There's no doubting who Teddy B would bring in to be the QB “This is why I think it is going to be so difficult and I think maybe Jimmy Garoppolo is the way to go because he’s been in New England before and played under Tom Brady and been in the stadium with all those banners to look up to and know he was somewhat part of it,” Bruschi said.
I'd put it simpler he knows and can run the play book better than anyone else but Brady.
As for obtaining him, that may not be easy. SF has him under contract. Depending on what you read they might look in another direction, but they'd need another QB too. I'm guessing SF will eventually move on in a trade. Pats aren't the only team needing a QB. BB won't be held over a barrel. If JG is who he wants he'll have a price tag in mind and won't go over.
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Post by croc on Jan 24, 2021 10:25:32 GMT -5
Per Schefter and others Stafford and the Lions are moving on from each other. It's been reported in Detroit SF and Det have had talks. ...If that happens JG is on the market.
A few problems the asking price for Stafford sounds like a first and a 3rd rd pick. SF isn't doing that, but a team like Indy or Carolina might. Pats won't go near this.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 25, 2021 13:32:29 GMT -5
I think Cam is coming back.
I think him and Belichick have a handshake.
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Post by croc on Jan 25, 2021 16:31:00 GMT -5
Not a snowballs chance in hell. I'd agree they had a handshake in 2020 for him to start and make his incentives (~$6M). Can't have a repeat of last year, that means no round pegs (Cam) for a square hole (Pats system). There's even a better chance Jimmy G will be back. Watson and Rodgers also will be moved somewhere, and SF stand a great chance to get Stafford who they really want. Watson and Rodgers will be huge trades if they go down. Stafford and JG lesser deals, but may be better trades.
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Post by solly on Jan 25, 2021 18:06:18 GMT -5
Stafford/Jimmy is definitely a long shot. At this point, its time to just restart the thing and draft a guy they like. If somehow they can get Stafford for a 2nd then id do it. They are just in such a weak position in terms of the league in this market. So many teams need quarterbacks, and im sure one of them will over pay
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Post by croc on Jan 25, 2021 20:28:23 GMT -5
I don't think JG is any long shot. SF wants more of a deep passer. Stafford is that. One way or another they're likely moving on. The idea would be to trade for JG and draft a developmental QB. Someone like Stidham who actually has stones. Stidham has the talent, he doesn't have the inner make up. That was his knock entering college. He was a top rated QB coming out of HS.
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Post by solly on Jan 26, 2021 10:34:12 GMT -5
I don't think JG is any long shot. SF wants more of a deep passer. Stafford is that. One way or another they're likely moving on. The idea would be to trade for JG and draft a developmental QB. Someone like Stidham who actually has stones. Stidham has the talent, he doesn't have the inner make up. That was his knock entering college. He was a top rated QB coming out of HS. Right, not saying he wont be available, just that there is going to be a lot of teams looking for a quarterback and I am sure one of them will offer something more than what the Patriots will for Jimmy. Maybe they will be the top offer, Id have to see it to believe it though. |
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Post by croc on Jan 26, 2021 12:54:42 GMT -5
I don't think JG is any long shot. SF wants more of a deep passer. Stafford is that. One way or another they're likely moving on. The idea would be to trade for JG and draft a developmental QB. Someone like Stidham who actually has stones. Stidham has the talent, he doesn't have the inner make up. That was his knock entering college. He was a top rated QB coming out of HS. Right, not saying he wont be available, just that there is going to be a lot of teams looking for a quarterback and I am sure one of them will offer something more than what the Patriots will for Jimmy. Maybe they will be the top offer, Id have to see it to believe it though. That's true there will be teams out there. Three - four of them will be high draft picks. Some will sign or trade someone. Watson is trying to shoot his way out of town. Houston is in cap hell with no picks. He gives them a way to retool. Sort of a Mookie Betts scenario. Stafford wants out. Panthers and SF want to move on from Bridgewater and JG. So that's 3-4 from the draft and 4 vets available. There's always Dak who's a FA but is about 95% likely to return to Dallas. If SF trades for Stafford they'll need to move JG right away. I haven't heard any other team looking at JG who's a precision passer, not someone with a lazer arm. He fits the Pats more than most teams. BB and Lynch have a good relationship |
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Post by croc on Jan 30, 2021 7:48:48 GMT -5
Multiple reports have Stafford being resolved by the Super Bowl. It gets interesting if he goes to SF, which is very involved. SF and Indy are the two most interested teams. JG is then available (Det has no interest). The Pats and Bears are the two teams looking at JG.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 30, 2021 14:55:09 GMT -5
I would be happy to get Jimmy G back.
At the very least dude has charisma.
He took that lovely porn star out on a date.
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Post by croc on Jan 30, 2021 15:05:08 GMT -5
The other team that's looking major QBs is the Rams. Goff is due a fair amount of money, some of which LAR would have to absorb. They are said to be in on Stafford, and would be in on Watson too. They'd really be morgaging the future.
...Anyways if LAR can move on Goff would be pretty cheap in terms of talent to send just by absorbing his salary and cap. He's not been the same since BB exposed him in SB 53, he did have a bounce back or sorts last year until the playoffs. Shrug: If they exposed him maybe they can 'fix' him.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 30, 2021 15:14:09 GMT -5
You know me. I think they are rolling with Cam and better recievers.
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Post by croc on Jan 30, 2021 15:27:24 GMT -5
It will be someone else even if it's Fitzmagic
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Post by solly on Feb 1, 2021 11:27:47 GMT -5
Stafford didnt want to be traded the NE. That really hurts because of the ricochet effect with SF as well. He didnt go to SF, making Jimmy expendable. Maybe something will happen here that will allow SF to part ways with Jimmy
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Post by croc on Feb 2, 2021 9:01:52 GMT -5
Stafford didnt want to be traded the NE. That really hurts because of the ricochet effect with SF as well. He didnt go to SF, making Jimmy expendable. Maybe something will happen here that will allow SF to part ways with Jimmy Word out of Detroit is he has an issue with Patricia. I wouldn't read too much into him not wanting NE. That's for sports talk shows. Not going to SF is a bigger deal. SF still wants an upgrade. It sounds like the Rams gave up a lot. They did but future picks are less valuable than this years picks. Plus Goff's contract is a huge negative. That 3rd Rd pick in this years draft may not even cover that. It's more like they traded 2 high second rd picks for Stafford. ...Getting 2 1st rd picks sounds sexier, and I don't discount that. |
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Post by solly on Feb 2, 2021 11:09:51 GMT -5
Stafford didnt want to be traded the NE. That really hurts because of the ricochet effect with SF as well. He didnt go to SF, making Jimmy expendable. Maybe something will happen here that will allow SF to part ways with Jimmy Word out of Detroit is he has an issue with Patricia. I wouldn't read too much into him not wanting NE. That's for sports talk shows. Not going to SF is a bigger deal. SF still wants an upgrade. It sounds like the Rams gave up a lot. They did but future picks are less valuable than this years picks. Plus Goff's contract is a huge negative. That 3rd Rd pick in this years draft may not even cover that. It's more like they traded 2 high second rd picks for Stafford. ...Getting 2 1st rd picks sounds sexier, and I don't discount that. Ya im not even talking about him not wanting to come, just strictly that he didnt go to SF besides the fact. The only way I see SF moving on from Jimmy is if they draft a guy. Itll be hard because they have been successful with Jimmy. I am trying to visualize options for the Patriots at qb next year. It seems draft/Cam is most likely now. |
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Post by croc on Feb 2, 2021 17:42:04 GMT -5
Word out of Detroit is he has an issue with Patricia. I wouldn't read too much into him not wanting NE. That's for sports talk shows. Not going to SF is a bigger deal. SF still wants an upgrade. It sounds like the Rams gave up a lot. They did but future picks are less valuable than this years picks. Plus Goff's contract is a huge negative. That 3rd Rd pick in this years draft may not even cover that. It's more like they traded 2 high second rd picks for Stafford. ...Getting 2 1st rd picks sounds sexier, and I don't discount that. Ya im not even talking about him not wanting to come, just strictly that he didnt go to SF besides the fact. The only way I see SF moving on from Jimmy is if they draft a guy. Itll be hard because they have been successful with Jimmy. I am trying to visualize options for the Patriots at qb next year. It seems draft/Cam is most likely now. I believe Cam and the Pats have moved on. He doesn't fit what they do, nor do they fit what he can do. If it's not JG is can see them drafting high, maybe Mac Jones and bringing in a vet like Alex Smith or Fitzmagic. Just a short term bridge and mentor. ...BTW I heard a podcast out of SF. The 49ers didn't even make a formal offer for Stafford. They considered him a marginal upgrade not worth the price tag. They though Cousins was a better fit, if the Vikings move on from him. |
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Post by croc on Feb 2, 2021 17:44:59 GMT -5
By they I mean the podcast crew.
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Post by solly on Feb 2, 2021 18:53:28 GMT -5
Ya im not even talking about him not wanting to come, just strictly that he didnt go to SF besides the fact. The only way I see SF moving on from Jimmy is if they draft a guy. Itll be hard because they have been successful with Jimmy. I am trying to visualize options for the Patriots at qb next year. It seems draft/Cam is most likely now. I believe Cam and the Pats have moved on. He doesn't fit what they do, nor do they fit what he can do. If it's not JG is can see them drafting high, maybe Mac Jones and bringing in a vet like Alex Smith or Fitzmagic. Just a short term bridge and mentor. ...BTW I heard a podcast out of SF. The 49ers didn't even make a formal offer for Stafford. They considered him a marginal upgrade not worth the price tag. They though Cousins was a better fit, if the Vikings move on from him. Ya Shanahan always liked Cousins. And like you said, the upgrade from Stafford to Jimmy wouldve been minimal if any. I guess durability would be the biggest, but they win while hes the quarterback. I dont think they rush to get rid of him. I am totally for drafting somebody this year. Id rather not have it be Mac Jones, but I will be the first to tell you I dont watch CFB and have literally never seen him play. I would much rather have them target a young player, and watch him develop even if they are bad early on |
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Post by croc on Feb 7, 2021 13:42:34 GMT -5
SF is kicking tires on a starting QB is a big way. Pretty much any move SF does for a starting QB puts the Pats in the mix for JG
SF is also 'in' on Wentz although not what Philly wants (their first rd pick 12th pick plus). Wentz has a horrible contract. Per Bedard the Jets are not on Watson's wish list. The Jets will almost certainly select Wilson or Fields. That makes Darnold who's still on his rookie contract available.
A lot of people think Darnold is very salvageable in a good system. Jets won't deal with the Pats. If SF would consider Wentz, they'd likely consider Darnold. He would be worth a first rd pick, maybe not as high as 12, but SF could either trade out of that, move up from #43 their second Rd pick, or combine that with another pick.
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Post by DaCeltics on Feb 7, 2021 17:11:00 GMT -5
I like Mac Jones, JOK, Rhamondre Stevenson, Tyler Shelvin and Tylan Wallace in the draft for this team.
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Post by croc on Feb 8, 2021 5:05:52 GMT -5
Pats DL could use Shelvin. If they get JG the QB won't be until the 3rd rd. Some of the guys who showed up in the Senior Bowl will be around then. If not it may be Mac Jones with the first pick.
I wouldn't expect a lot of O draft picks until they get to later rounds. Most likely they trade or sign O help and draft D help. Michah appears on several mocks. He'd be an oustanding addition to the LB group with Tower probably returning, Uche continuing to grow and Wino kicked inside a lot.
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Post by DaCeltics on Feb 8, 2021 8:12:17 GMT -5
Micah Parsons and JOK just hit differently.
The speed is different. Parsons is a good consultation prize.
He is deeply the #2 LB in this draft. Not even close for me.
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