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Post by hedleylamarr on Oct 9, 2020 10:44:47 GMT -5
The fact that Ainge didn't reach out to Morris in free agency does NOT mean Morris was unhappy here. I would say, if he mentioned that he was upset he wasn't reached out to, then maybe he WANTED to re-sign here. If he was unhappy, doesn't it make sense, that he would say, "good, I didn't want to re-sign here anyway?" But, he said he was unhappy that Danny didn't reach out. To me, that doesn't make him an unhappy camper.............
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Post by drewski6 on Oct 9, 2020 10:46:59 GMT -5
Here's what I would do 1) Trade Hayward and Theis and our second first round pick for PG13 and Morris. 2) On draft night, call up Ind and ask who they want at pick 14 (you want to make the pick and then trade the player, rather than trading the pick because then it counts for salary match) 3) Grab whomever Ind selects, trade that player + Langford + Kanter + Poirier for Myles Turner 4) Use MLE to bring back Wannamaker 5) Package next year's pick + our third first round pick to move some spots and grab the best shooter available (hopefully saddiq bey). Kemba PG13 JB Tatum Turner Bench guards: Wannamaker Smart Bey forwards: Morris GWill Semi Centers: RWill Tacko Walker and PG13 both cant start Drew.. Our biggest mistake last year was to give Walker 30+ mil. Unless we can trade him were going nowhere. I'll take Paul for one year if we can unload Walker he can distribute the ball. That is just one hole that needs to be fixed. Turner likely isn't coming to Boston GWS and a couple other teams has much better to offer. Fierce is right Morris wasn't a happy camper his last year here.... Your first line confuses me. Walker is a point-guard, Paul George (PG13) is a SG/SF. He's closer to Brown than he is to Walker. I think you might be getting a bit confused because his name is Paul George (PG). So when I say PG13 - I mean Paul George 13, not point-guard 13. You might be confusing Paul George with Chris Paul. It would be easy to do, since they both have paul in their name and both go by monikers of their initials + a number.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 10:51:14 GMT -5
AD was too expensive for a one year rental. Danny wants to be good for a long time, not just for one year. I'm not sure I would be happy if we traded for AD. It's true, they don't grow on trees, but I want a guy who will be here and help us be good for many years Be good for a long time? Your joking...We've been meh for a long time you mean. Yeah 7 years of not going to the championships and coming in 2nd 3rd and 4th place is just great with you.? I would venture you have been a loser all your life and no nothing of winning..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 10:52:32 GMT -5
Walker and PG13 both cant start Drew.. Our biggest mistake last year was to give Walker 30+ mil. Unless we can trade him were going nowhere. I'll take Paul for one year if we can unload Walker he can distribute the ball. That is just one hole that needs to be fixed. Turner likely isn't coming to Boston GWS and a couple other teams has much better to offer. Fierce is right Morris wasn't a happy camper his last year here.... Your first line confuses me. Walker is a point-guard, Paul George (PG13) is a SG/SF. He's closer to Brown than he is to Walker. I think you might be getting a bit confused because his name is Paul George (PG). So when I say PG13 - I mean Paul George 13, not point-guard 13. You might be confusing Paul George with Chris Paul. It would be easy to do, since they both have paul in their name and both go by monikers of their initials + a number. I was i edited it..
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Post by drewski6 on Oct 9, 2020 10:56:37 GMT -5
I dont buy that Walker is so bad, that merely having him on your team makes you unlikely to go anywhere. I dont think there is any player in the NBA like that.
I also dont buy that his contract is a killer because of the financial structure of the NBA. Even if we shipped him out of town, we still wouldnt be able to get a max player in FA cuz of contract holds on Tatum.
I do agree that the fact that Kemba never really healed (despite having a ton of time) + his age is a concern. Thats why I prioritize bringing back Wanna, who is a very solid backup pg.
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Post by drewski6 on Oct 9, 2020 10:57:28 GMT -5
Your first line confuses me. Walker is a point-guard, Paul George (PG13) is a SG/SF. He's closer to Brown than he is to Walker. I think you might be getting a bit confused because his name is Paul George (PG). So when I say PG13 - I mean Paul George 13, not point-guard 13. You might be confusing Paul George with Chris Paul. It would be easy to do, since they both have paul in their name and both go by monikers of their initials + a number. I was i edited it.. Ive seen many confuse the two "pauls" - cool.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 11:00:56 GMT -5
I dont buy that Walker is so bad, that merely having him on your team makes you unlikely to go anywhere. I dont think there is any player in the NBA like that. I also dont buy that his contract is a killer because of the financial structure of the NBA. Even if we shipped him out of town, we still wouldnt be able to get a max player in FA cuz of contract holds on Tatum. I do agree that the fact that Kemba never really healed (despite having a ton of time) + his age is a concern. Thats why I prioritize bringing back Wanna, who is a very solid backup pg. Walker is not worth 30+ mil. Hayward is not worth 30 + mil. Neither one is bad but,,, What other team has two 30 + players that are not tier one players.? None Were backed in a corner. Both are almost untradeable.. Bringing back Wanna is almost a givin i agree
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 11:24:27 GMT -5
I would take this deal sense Aldridge has only one year at 26 mil remaining.
Aldridge isn't the player he once was but were not sucked in for 3 years. With Hayward and Aldridge both leaving in 21 it frees up a lot of cap space.
Winning a championship next year is dim at best making the finals is our best hope...
According to NBA trade rumors, there is a possibility that the Boston Celtics will be looking to trade Kemba Walker if a respectable offer comes through. It is an open secret that the Celtics desperately need a frontcourt player, and they can be strong-handed in a lopsided trade because of that reason.
The San Antonio Spurs can be a landing destination for Kemba Walker, as Gregg Popovich is on the hunt for a reliable backcourt partner for DeMar DeRozan. The Spurs will be sending LaMarcus Aldridge the other way, who will instantly improve the Celtics' starting lineup
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Post by cole on Oct 9, 2020 11:30:09 GMT -5
I dont buy that Walker is so bad, that merely having him on your team makes you unlikely to go anywhere. I dont think there is any player in the NBA like that. I also dont buy that his contract is a killer because of the financial structure of the NBA. Even if we shipped him out of town, we still wouldnt be able to get a max player in FA cuz of contract holds on Tatum. I do agree that the fact that Kemba never really healed (despite having a ton of time) + his age is a concern. Thats why I prioritize bringing back Wanna, who is a very solid backup pg. Walker is not worth 30+ mil. Hayward is not worth 30 + mil. Neither one is bad but,,, What other team has two 30 + players that are not tier one players.? None Were backed in a corner. Both are almost untradeable.. Bringing back Wanna is almost a givin i agree I feel like OKC might bite on a Walker for CP3 trade. I personally think it's a better fit for this team and equal for okc. I believe cp3 will expire sooner. On Hayward, he had some times where he looked pretty good. His ankle will be a year better, and with his injuries you've gotta say, two unrelated issues. The reaching arm thing and then the ankle seem like just bad breaks. It's when a person always has the same, like kyrie's knee, that I start to balk. Going forward I'd rather lose Kemba than Hayward and I think Hayward probably actually has a value close to his pay, if you knew the open market. I'm ok with LMA. Maybe we can catch lightning in a bottle with the guy. He can sure be good, when he's good.
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Post by sfbosfan on Oct 9, 2020 11:51:13 GMT -5
We need to learn from the Lakers. The pattern is very clear. When it was Kobe and Kwame Brown, the Lakers missed the playoffs. Lebron and McGee, Lakers also missed the playoffs. When the Lakers got Pau Gasol, the Lakers won back to back championships. Just last summer the Lakers got AD and Lebron is going to win a championship with the Lakers. Celts also won when Ainge got KG. The formula for winning a championship is very obvious. If you have an elite big man, you're championship material, regardless of who's coaching. Celts never reached the Finals with the likes of Tony Battie and Daniel Theis. Only way is the Celts get that big man to help out Tatum and Brown. Re: "When the Lakers got Pau Gasol, the Lakers won back to back championships.” He was supposed to be “Soft”...HA! We won in 2008 with the big 3 & was the last time we beat LeBron in a 7 game semi with Cleveland and Pierce scored 41 pts and LeBron 45. Then we went on to beat the Lakers in 6 games in the finals. But keep in mind yup we had KG a 7 footer b ut the muscle under the basket was Perkins sort of like Bogut with GS. Now in 2010 finals we lost Perkins in Game 6 We had two 7 footers, Rashid Wallace and Garnett, but they seemed, especially Sheed, more interested in shooting 3s as we were losing the rebound advantage substantially, especially in the 4th Qtr. We had PP & Allen to do that with Rondo driving to the basket. They killed us with reb advantage 53 to 40 (I mean 13 extra chances) and only shot 38% and we did 42% but the extra chances killed us. Gasol schooled KG out rebounding him 18 to 3. So, it was really missing Perkins in the post in Game 7 which was the main difference I think.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 11:53:16 GMT -5
Walker is not worth 30+ mil. Hayward is not worth 30 + mil. Neither one is bad but,,, What other team has two 30 + players that are not tier one players.? None Were backed in a corner. Both are almost untradeable.. Bringing back Wanna is almost a givin i agree I feel like OKC might bite on a Walker for CP3 trade. I personally think it's a better fit for this team and equal for okc. I believe cp3 will expire sooner. On Hayward, he had some times where he looked pretty good. His ankle will be a year better, and with his injuries you've gotta say, two unrelated issues. The reaching arm thing and then the ankle seem like just bad breaks. It's when a person always has the same, like kyrie's knee, that I start to balk. Going forward I'd rather lose Kemba than Hayward and I think Hayward probably actually has a value close to his pay, if you knew the open market. I'm ok with LMA. Maybe we can catch lightning in a bottle with the guy. He can sure be good, when he's good. I would rather lose Walker also.. Hayward might resign for a whole lot less than the 32 mil we'll be paying Walker. Couldn't we restructure Hayward for 3 or 4 years? Stevens would be a lot more comfortable maybe Hayward also. I'm ok with Paul for one year also. Aldridge was about 19 pts and 7.5 boards and wasn't 100% . 1.6 blocks Hopefully surgery works on his cuff it's usually successful.. His best year shooting threes at 38.5 % might be inline with Stevens game plan..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 12:05:24 GMT -5
Favor's Extension
2016-17 — $22,116,750 (2016-17 bottom-tier maximum) 2017-18 — $22,236,744 (7.5 percent decrease in final year of original contract) 2018-19 — $13,342,046 (40 percent maximum decrease in first year of extension) 2019-20 — $12,341,393 (7.5 percent decrease, based on first year of extension)
Keep Hayward say for 4 years at 90 to 100 mil? I could live with this. He seems like he's happy in Boston can Stevens talk him into taking one for the team?
I could live with this.....
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Post by kyceltic on Oct 9, 2020 12:19:17 GMT -5
Say no to Paul George. Same for Derozen and Aldridge!! Turner is who we need, and we have smart or Hayward to trade for him! Even better would be trading Smart and Hayward for Oladipo and Turner!! Throw in Romeo and our late picks, not the 14th pick!! May have to give RWill or Theis, to get it done! Sign IT to come off the bench, draft the guy from Vandy with our 14th pick!! I don't see anyone giving the Pacers more!! We'd have the best starting line-up in the league!!
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Post by DaCeltics on Oct 9, 2020 12:55:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure but I think Theis is a better pick-and-roll defender than Turner.
Turner seems to have slow feet without the SUPER reach of a TacKo Fall(which makes up for slowish feet)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 13:26:21 GMT -5
Say no to Paul George. Same for Derozen and Aldridge!! Turner is who we need, and we have smart or Hayward to trade for him! Even better would be trading Smart and Hayward for Oladipo and Turner!! Throw in Romeo and our late picks, not the 14th pick!! May have to give RWill or Theis, to get it done! Sign IT to come off the bench, draft the guy from Vandy with our 14th pick!! I don't see anyone giving the Pacers more!! We'd have the best starting line-up in the league!! Coal Dust in your eyes or is the mask mandate in KY takin away your oxygen? GWS wants Turner rather bad they have the 2nd pick in the draft. Off my cuff i expect at least 5 other teams that might show serious interest in Turner. I would take Turner and Oladipo for Smart and Hayward. Indy won't . We can't trade Theis or R WILL or were back to where we started besides both are cheap..... Maybe twist their arm to take Kanter ... Hayward is a one year rental at 30 some mil, Indy already has 124 mil in guaranteed contracts next year. Smart is worth less than the two pick who is likely Edwards which they can really use if Oladipo leaves which seems to be probable... Late picks? Not worth much this year especially. Lansford showed he get hurt alot. Nothng else. Worth some magic beans to a man named Jack maybe. IT coming back.> We can field 4 midgets Walker IT Edward and Waters maybe you can make the 5th? Little man's disease has ate you up...
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Post by kyceltic on Oct 9, 2020 15:12:22 GMT -5
Coal Dust in your eyes or is the mask mandate in KY takin away your oxygen? GWS wants Turner rather bad they have the 2nd pick in the draft. Off my cuff i expect at least 5 other teams that might show serious interest in Turner. I would take Turner and Oladipo for Smart and Hayward. Indy won't . We can't trade Theis or R WILL or were back to where we started besides both are cheap..... Maybe twist their arm to take Kanter ... Hayward is a one year rental at 30 some mil, Indy already has 124 mil in guaranteed contracts next year. Smart is worth less than the two pick who is likely Edwards which they can really use if Oladipo leaves which seems to be probable... Late picks? Not worth much this year especially. Lansford showed he get hurt alot. Nothng else. Worth some magic beans to a man named Jack maybe. IT coming back.> We can field 4 midgets Walker IT Edward and Waters maybe you can make the 5th? Little man's disease has ate you up... Dee my man!! The warriors can draft Wiseman, no need for them to try and trade for Turner! Carsen and Waters need to be put in a trade pkg, or in Waters case just release him! IT could come in for Kemba, no need to play both together! The Pacers don't need Turner and they need to get as much for Oladipo as possible! Smart and Hayward plus fillers is a pretty good haul for them!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 15:37:43 GMT -5
How about some crazy ideas.
1) No, not Wannamaker. How about Lonzo Ball? His size and play making could really help the Celts backup unit. Is there a place for him on the Pelicans, behind Jrue Holliday?
2) Who all here think that Drummond is going to get anything more than MLE? I don't. He is not the head case that Boogie was. But he is not as talented either. Then there is the whole Covid situation and the future financial structure of the league in play. Drummond will be better than Kanter. Can we work a deal for Drummond? MLE?
The moves improve your rotation and add a lot of versatility. Basically, target incremental improvement at 5 as other options don't seem feasible. Look for size and ability in backup 1 to compensate for Kemba getting bullied.
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Post by cole on Oct 9, 2020 15:56:11 GMT -5
I think if you had Lonzo and Kemba, lots of Whitney's the ball and Kimba would have to play the two and I just don't see that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 15:59:27 GMT -5
I think if you had Lonzo and Kemba, lots of Whitney's the ball and Kimba would have to play the two and I just don't see that. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ?!!!! Didn’t get any of the references.
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Post by drewski6 on Oct 9, 2020 17:01:51 GMT -5
Lonzo Ball is Robin Lopez. Lamello is the one you want.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 17:08:35 GMT -5
Dee my man!! The warriors can draft Wiseman, no need for them to try and trade for Turner! Carsen and Waters need to be put in a trade pkg, or in Waters case just release him! IT could come in for Kemba, no need to play both together! The Pacers don't need Turner and they need to get as much for Oladipo as possible! Smart and Hayward plus fillers is a pretty good haul for them! You need to convince GS to take Wiseman not me. They have expressed no interest according to reports.. Looking to trade down and move Wiggins on a three team deal and get a pick in the top 10. Hawks have been mentioned with pick 6 IT you need to convince he's a second team lock not World Free also.. Hayward runs Steven's offense better than anyone on the team. You'll need to convince Stevens. Here is what ii see as a plus . Smart replaces Oladipo for 7 mil less that is a plus i'll give ya that..Hayward is from Indy maybe he stays nd finishes his career there... I'll take the trade just for Turner Oladipo will fly way after one year and open up cap space. With Hayward and Oladipo both gone that opens up about 50 in the next two years..
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Post by kyceltic on Oct 9, 2020 17:20:45 GMT -5
Dee my man!! The warriors can draft Wiseman, no need for them to try and trade for Turner! Carsen and Waters need to be put in a trade pkg, or in Waters case just release him! IT could come in for Kemba, no need to play both together! The Pacers don't need Turner and they need to get as much for Oladipo as possible! Smart and Hayward plus fillers is a pretty good haul for them! You need to convince GS to take Wiseman not me. They have expressed no interest according to reports.. IT you need to convince he's a second team lock not World Free also.. Hayward runs Steven's offense better than anyone on the team. You'll need to convince Stevens. Here is what ii see as a plus . Smart replaces Oladipo for 7 mil less that is a plus i'll give ya that..Hayward is from Indy maybe he stays nd finishes his career there... I'll take the trade just for Turner Oladipo will fly way after one year and open up cap space. With Hayward and Oladipo both gone that opens up about 50 in the next two years.. I really just need to convince Ainge! I think I'll let Fierce talk to Ainge, he has more pull then I do!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 17:25:03 GMT -5
You need to convince GS to take Wiseman not me. They have expressed no interest according to reports.. IT you need to convince he's a second team lock not World Free also.. Hayward runs Steven's offense better than anyone on the team. You'll need to convince Stevens. Here is what ii see as a plus . Smart replaces Oladipo for 7 mil less that is a plus i'll give ya that..Hayward is from Indy maybe he stays nd finishes his career there... I'll take the trade just for Turner Oladipo will fly way after one year and open up cap space. With Hayward and Oladipo both gone that opens up about 50 in the next two years.. I really just need to convince Ainge! I think I'll let Fierce talk to Ainge, he has more pull then I do!! There you go... Worked fine for Fultz .
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Post by drewski6 on Oct 9, 2020 17:26:46 GMT -5
I dont think Ind wants to shed money. Theyll never get a max guy to sign there. There best bet of assembling a quality team is on the trade front, and you need contracts to trade for contracts.
Like I keep saying, you dont want to shed money in the NBA. You want to hoard all your contracts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 17:36:21 GMT -5
How about some crazy ideas. 1) No, not Wannamaker. How about Lonzo Ball? His size and play making could really help the Celts backup unit. Is there a place for him on the Pelicans, behind Jrue Holliday? 2) Who all here think that Drummond is going to get anything more than MLE? I don't. He is not the head case that Boogie was. But he is not as talented either. Then there is the whole Covid situation and the future financial structure of the league in play. Drummond will be better than Kanter. Can we work a deal for Drummond? MLE? The moves improve your rotation and add a lot of versatility. Basically, target incremental improvement at 5 as other options don't seem feasible. Look for size and ability in backup 1 to compensate for Kemba getting bullied. MLE? Not next year Two-time All-Star Andre Drummond says he plans to pick up his player option that will keep him in Cleveland for another year. Drummond, who was traded to the Cavaliers by the Detroit Pistons in February, has a $28.75 million option for the 2020-21 season
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