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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 17:44:01 GMT -5
I dont think Ind wants to shed money. Theyll never get a max guy to sign there. There best bet of assembling a quality team is on the trade front, and you need contracts to trade for contracts. Like I keep saying, you dont want to shed money in the NBA. You want to hoard all your contracts. Yeah of course but....They want to trade Victor and his soon to be large contract. Hayward if he puts up 20 pts 6 boards and 5 assists next year at Indy which is possible will get close to the max from Indy. Ya right no one else in their right mind will sign there. Smart will make a ton less then Vic they will take that savings....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 17:56:09 GMT -5
Probably needs repeating for the folks that think Drummond is playin for the MLE next year. Forget it....... Virus or no virus India and Fierce.
Two-time All-Star Andre Drummond says he plans to pick up his player option that will keep him in Cleveland for another year. Drummond, who was traded to the Cavaliers by the Detroit Pistons in February, has a $28.75 million option for the 2020-21 season
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Post by cole on Oct 9, 2020 17:58:26 GMT -5
I think if you had Lonzo and Kemba, lots of Whitney's the ball and Kimba would have to play the two and I just don't see that. ?!!!! Didn’t get any of the references. Sorry I'm driving. Bad voice recognition. I was trying to say Lonzo needs the ball and Kimba would have to play off of it
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Post by drewski6 on Oct 9, 2020 18:01:26 GMT -5
I dont think Ind wants to shed money. Theyll never get a max guy to sign there. There best bet of assembling a quality team is on the trade front, and you need contracts to trade for contracts. Like I keep saying, you dont want to shed money in the NBA. You want to hoard all your contracts. Yeah of course but....They want to trade Victor and his soon to be large contract. Hayward if he puts up 20 pts 6 boards and 5 assists next year at Indy which is possible will get close to the max from Indy. Ya right no one else in their right mind will sign there. Smart will make a ton less then Vic they will take that savings.... Good point. From that perspective, they prob want to trade his max contract for one with more term....cuz if he walks, they wont be able to replace him.
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Post by fierce on Oct 9, 2020 18:16:47 GMT -5
The fact that Ainge didn't reach out to Morris in free agency does NOT mean Morris was unhappy here. I would say, if he mentioned that he was upset he wasn't reached out to, then maybe he WANTED to re-sign here. If he was unhappy, doesn't it make sense, that he would say, "good, I didn't want to re-sign here anyway?" But, he said he was unhappy that Danny didn't reach out. To me, that doesn't make him an unhappy camper.............
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Post by fierce on Oct 9, 2020 18:26:02 GMT -5
Probably needs repeating for the folks that think Drummond is playin for the MLE next year. Forget it....... Virus or no virus India and Fierce. Two-time All-Star Andre Drummond says he plans to pick up his player option that will keep him in Cleveland for another year. Drummond, who was traded to the Cavaliers by the Detroit Pistons in February, has a $28.75 million option for the 2020-21 season Smart move for Drummond as he will not get big money in free-agency because of the virus.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 18:46:04 GMT -5
Probably needs repeating for the folks that think Drummond is playin for the MLE next year. Forget it....... Virus or no virus India and Fierce. Two-time All-Star Andre Drummond says he plans to pick up his player option that will keep him in Cleveland for another year. Drummond, who was traded to the Cavaliers by the Detroit Pistons in February, has a $28.75 million option for the 2020-21 season Smart move for Drummond as he will not get big money in free-agency because of the virus. Yeah and i just noticed this today myself. I might would have entertained maybe signing him. Put together almost 18/16 last year. We could live off about half of that...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 18:47:00 GMT -5
Yeah of course but....They want to trade Victor and his soon to be large contract. Hayward if he puts up 20 pts 6 boards and 5 assists next year at Indy which is possible will get close to the max from Indy. Ya right no one else in their right mind will sign there. Smart will make a ton less then Vic they will take that savings.... Good point. From that perspective, they prob want to trade his max contract for one with more term....cuz if he walks, they wont be able to replace him. Yep....
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Post by fierce on Oct 9, 2020 19:29:53 GMT -5
Good read. Here: www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/exploring-celtics-three-options-solve-gordon-hayward-conundrumTRADE HAYWARD
If the Celtics determine their best path forward does not involve Hayward or they simply cannot commit the resources to keep him long term, they should consider trying to move him before next season’s trade deadline.
That’s no easy task considering Hayward’s bulky salary in a year the cap might stay flat and his value is lessened from his injury woes. All that said, he’s a monster expiring contract coming off a team’s books right before potentially one of the best free-agent crops in recent memory.
The Celtics can’t benefit from that but another team certainly can. And if it appears the Bucks are going to watch Giannis EuroStep his way out of Milwaukee, there will be plenty of teams trying to maneuver for max cap space to make a pursuit.
Go ahead and pull up a list of the highest-paid players in the NBA and start daydreaming. Take on an extra season of Blake Griffin so the Pistons can create even more cap space? Call the Magic about Nicola Vucevic, who has three years left but at a descending value and try to convince them their best path forward is to shake up their own core?
It’s hard to make big-salary moves during the season. And yet teams that realize they have no hope early next season will turn their attention to 2021 free agency. The Celtics could be additionally motivated to lower their tax bill if this team fizzles for any reason.
There are no easy answers here for the Celtics, but Hayward’s future is going to dominate the offseason chatter.
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Post by fierce on Oct 9, 2020 19:47:50 GMT -5
Hayward or Smart.
Can't keep both.
One of the best 5 players on your team has to be a big man.
There's just no way around that.
Tatum, Brown, Kemba, a big man, and Smart or Hayward.
There's just no way a 5-man team composed of Tatum, Brown, Kemba, Smart, and Hayward will be able to beat the elite teams in crunch time.
We've already seen how Jimmy Butler repeatedly abused Kemba if Kemba is switched on Jimmy.
What more if it's Giannis!
Smart on Giannis might work sometimes, but not all the time.
I think Hayward is the one that should be moved.
According to the article, Hayward's big expiring contract has value because the FA crop of 2021 includes Giannis, Lebron, and Kawhi.
Some are asking who is that big man the Celts should get, another name that I think is a possibility is Vucevic.
So there are lots of options out there.
The key is moving Hayward.
It's time we move on from "small ball".
GSW's dynasty was one of a kind.
Ainge tried to replicate it and it didn't work out for the Celtics.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Oct 9, 2020 19:47:55 GMT -5
The fact that Ainge didn't reach out to Morris in free agency does NOT mean Morris was unhappy here. I would say, if he mentioned that he was upset he wasn't reached out to, then maybe he WANTED to re-sign here. If he was unhappy, doesn't it make sense, that he would say, "good, I didn't want to re-sign here anyway?" But, he said he was unhappy that Danny didn't reach out. To me, that doesn't make him an unhappy camper............. sounds REAL unhappy to me..........................good grief.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Oct 9, 2020 19:50:48 GMT -5
Dee my man!! The warriors can draft Wiseman, no need for them to try and trade for Turner! Carsen and Waters need to be put in a trade pkg, or in Waters case just release him! IT could come in for Kemba, no need to play both together! The Pacers don't need Turner and they need to get as much for Oladipo as possible! Smart and Hayward plus fillers is a pretty good haul for them! You need to convince GS to take Wiseman not me. They have expressed no interest according to reports.. Looking to trade down and move Wiggins on a three team deal and get a pick in the top 10. Hawks have been mentioned with pick 6 IT you need to convince he's a second team lock not World Free also.. Hayward runs Steven's offense better than anyone on the team. You'll need to convince Stevens. Here is what ii see as a plus . Smart replaces Oladipo for 7 mil less that is a plus i'll give ya that..Hayward is from Indy maybe he stays nd finishes his career there... I'll take the trade just for Turner Oladipo will fly way after one year and open up cap space. With Hayward and Oladipo both gone that opens up about 50 in the next two years.. I feel like I should save this trade proposal, along with the Morris clip, and bring it up at some random time in the future to prove people wrong.......you know, like Ainge never helped Delonte West? Yeah, those kinds of things
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Post by fierce on Oct 9, 2020 19:53:02 GMT -5
sounds REAL unhappy to me..........................good grief. I'm not against getting Morris back, but I think that's not the priority. Morris was very good for the Cs. He's one of those tough guys you need to have on your team. But right now the most urgent need is a big man. It's very frustrating watching guys like Nurkic and Sabonis abusing the Celts inside the paint. Those two are not even the likes of AD and Giannis.
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Post by fierce on Oct 9, 2020 19:54:19 GMT -5
You need to convince GS to take Wiseman not me. They have expressed no interest according to reports.. Looking to trade down and move Wiggins on a three team deal and get a pick in the top 10. Hawks have been mentioned with pick 6 IT you need to convince he's a second team lock not World Free also.. Hayward runs Steven's offense better than anyone on the team. You'll need to convince Stevens. Here is what ii see as a plus . Smart replaces Oladipo for 7 mil less that is a plus i'll give ya that..Hayward is from Indy maybe he stays nd finishes his career there... I'll take the trade just for Turner Oladipo will fly way after one year and open up cap space. With Hayward and Oladipo both gone that opens up about 50 in the next two years.. I feel like I should save this trade proposal, along with the Morris clip, and bring it up at some random time in the future to prove people wrong.......you know, like Ainge never helped Delonte West? Yeah, those kinds of things Ain't that creepy?
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Post by elvissurfs on Oct 9, 2020 20:14:15 GMT -5
Here's what I would do 1) Trade Hayward and Theis and our second first round pick for PG13 and Morris. 2) On draft night, call up Ind and ask who they want at pick 14 (you want to make the pick and then trade the player, rather than trading the pick because then it counts for salary match) 3) Grab whomever Ind selects, trade that player + Langford + Kanter + Poirier for Myles Turner 4) Use MLE to bring back Wannamaker 5) Package next year's pick + our third first round pick to move some spots and grab the best shooter available (hopefully saddiq bey). Kemba PG13 JB Tatum Turner Bench guards: Wannamaker Smart Bey forwards: Morris GWill Semi Centers: RWill Tacko Love your posts McGillicudy, but when your first two words on a trade idea are 'Trade Hayward' you are smoking crack...
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Post by hedleylamarr on Oct 9, 2020 20:19:16 GMT -5
I feel like I should save this trade proposal, along with the Morris clip, and bring it up at some random time in the future to prove people wrong.......you know, like Ainge never helped Delonte West? Yeah, those kinds of things Ain't that creepy? Yes, and I would not do it, that is the point
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Post by hedleylamarr on Oct 9, 2020 20:19:55 GMT -5
sounds REAL unhappy to me..........................good grief. I'm not against getting Morris back, but I think that's not the priority. Morris was very good for the Cs. He's one of those tough guys you need to have on your team. But right now the most urgent need is a big man. It's very frustrating watching guys like Nurkic and Sabonis abusing the Celts inside the paint. Those two are not even the likes of AD and Giannis. I disagree. I think if we had JUST Morris, we'd still be playing............just my opinion
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Post by fierce on Oct 9, 2020 20:29:30 GMT -5
I'm not against getting Morris back, but I think that's not the priority. Morris was very good for the Cs. He's one of those tough guys you need to have on your team. But right now the most urgent need is a big man. It's very frustrating watching guys like Nurkic and Sabonis abusing the Celts inside the paint. Those two are not even the likes of AD and Giannis. I disagree. I think if we had JUST Morris, we'd still be playing............just my opinion I don't disagree with you on that. It's true that maybe we'd still be playing if we had Morris. But I'm looking at the long term. I thought Miami would not be a problem for the Cs, but I didn't think the Cs would be able to beat the Bucks, Morris or no Morris.
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Post by fierce on Oct 9, 2020 20:37:03 GMT -5
Also, Morris is not the 5m per year guy anymore.
So he's out of the Celts' price range.
Ainge also couldn't trade for Morris at the trade deadline because Morris' salary is 15m for this season.
I think it's time we look at the long term and move on from this season's playoff exit.
What do the Celts need to do to help out Brown and Tatum?
I think it's very obvious, a big man who can help contain or neutralize the opposing big man of the opponent.
Can't ask Brown or Smart to cover Adebayo, Giannis, or AD.
That's just too much of a mismatch.
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Post by fierce on Oct 9, 2020 20:52:55 GMT -5
Even if we get Morris back, who would be playing in the last 5 mins of the 4th?
Tatum Brown Kemba Smart Hayward Morris
That's 6 guys and none of them can guard Giannis, AD, or Bam.
Again, plug the hole in the middle first before we add depth to the team.
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Post by sfbosfan on Oct 9, 2020 21:39:27 GMT -5
Yup, know this is not a baseball forum. In addition to being a Laker hater I am a Yankee hater too. I feared both those teams winning titles this year. Tampa has been a Yankee killer all year and now just won the 3rd out of 5. Whew! What a game and pitching match with both teams getting only 3 hits. Judge got Yankee homer and then 2 other Rays got homers and they won 2-1.
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Post by elvissurfs on Oct 9, 2020 21:40:38 GMT -5
?!!!! Didn’t get any of the references. Sorry I'm driving. Bad voice recognition. I was trying to say Lonzo needs the ball and Kimba would have to play off of it How did it go in Lombock?...Did you go see the memorial site?...
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Post by elvissurfs on Oct 9, 2020 21:41:59 GMT -5
Yup, know this is not a baseball forum. In addition to being a Laker hater I am a Yankee hater too. I feared both those teams winning titles this year. Tampa has been a Yankee killer all year and now just won the 3rd out of 5. Whew! What a game and pitching match with both teams getting only 3 hits. Judge got Yankee homer and then 2 other Rays got homers and they won 2-1. Epic!!!...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 23:26:34 GMT -5
So those who saw game 5 saw what it takes to win. Focus and grit. I felt that the Celts were a little too cool inside the bubble. That is why want these young guys to hear it. This time it was not OK.
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Post by cole on Oct 9, 2020 23:29:43 GMT -5
Sorry I'm driving. Bad voice recognition. I was trying to say Lonzo needs the ball and Kimba would have to play off of it How did it go in Lombock?...Did you go see the memorial site?... I'm in a hotel. Playing tomorrow at 1. Think I'll try to see the buddy Holly exhibit first.
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