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Post by hedleylamarr on Oct 31, 2019 21:16:06 GMT -5
I take it game by game. Last night our bench gave us nothing. That is merely a fact echoed by many others on this board. Perhaps next game our bench will be great. I never said we have NO bench. I said last night our bench gave us nothing........spinning my words seems to be a habit of people around here. And, NO MORE personal info..............
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Post by cole on Oct 31, 2019 21:31:37 GMT -5
I disagree. I think the bench played very good d, especially grant williams.
I mean, the bench was like wannamaker and semi last night anyway
also expect the starters to stagger through the rotations and take most of the shots, sans carsen
i would say the guys out there knew their roles and stayed within themselves
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Post by fierce on Oct 31, 2019 22:30:07 GMT -5
I take it game by game. Last night our bench gave us nothing. That is merely a fact echoed by many others on this board. Perhaps next game our bench will be great. I never said we have NO bench. I said last night our bench gave us nothing........spinning my words seems to be a habit of people around here. And, NO MORE personal info.............. If Celts want more bench scoring then move Brown to the bench. Let Brown be the man on the 2nd unit. Smart plays well with the starters. Moving Jaylen to the bench will benefit both Brown and the Celtic bench. The starting 5 already has lots of offense with Kemba, Tatum, and Hayward.
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Post by Admin on Oct 31, 2019 23:27:43 GMT -5
I take it game by game. Last night our bench gave us nothing. That is merely a fact echoed by many others on this board. Perhaps next game our bench will be great. I never said we have NO bench. I said last night our bench gave us nothing........spinning my words seems to be a habit of people around here. And, NO MORE personal info.............. If Celts want more bench scoring then move Brown to the bench. Let Brown be the man on the 2nd unit. Smart plays well with the starters. Moving Jaylen to the bench will benefit both Brown and the Celtic bench. The starting 5 already has lots of offense with Kemba, Tatum, and Hayward. I have to disagree ...
the intent is to play Smart along with Kanter off the bench. Kanter providing the offense and Smart the defense to help Kanter with perimeter & rim protection. Brown needs to remain as a starter to continue the inside/outside game between him & Tatum giving defenses hangovers trying to stop or even slow down the tandem.
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Post by fierce on Oct 31, 2019 23:51:42 GMT -5
If Celts want more bench scoring then move Brown to the bench. Let Brown be the man on the 2nd unit. Smart plays well with the starters. Moving Jaylen to the bench will benefit both Brown and the Celtic bench. The starting 5 already has lots of offense with Kemba, Tatum, and Hayward. I have to disagree ...
the intent is to play Smart along with Kanter off the bench. Kanter providing the offense and Smart the defense to help Kanter with perimeter & rim protection. Brown needs to remain as a starter to continue the inside/outside game between him & Tatum giving defenses hangovers trying to stop or even slow down the tandem.
Celts already have a great tandem in Tatum and Hayward. I think Jaylen can be what Iggy was to the Warriors. Both games Hayward scored over 20 was when Brown had limited playing time or Brown was out. Same thing with Jaylen, when Hayward didn't score a lot, Jaylen scored plenty. They're in each other's way. Last season the Celts played well when Smart was starting and Jaylen was coming off the bench. So it's proven that Smart starting and Jaylen off the bench works. We also saw a preview of Smart in the starting lineup this season. And it worked as Smart scored lots of points and the Celts ended up beating the Bucks.
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Post by fierce on Nov 1, 2019 5:44:03 GMT -5
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Post by cole on Nov 1, 2019 8:10:10 GMT -5
the closer is going to be walker. if not, why even bring him in? it will be walker creating and tatum as the outlet most of the time.
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Post by fierce on Nov 1, 2019 9:06:37 GMT -5
the closer is going to be walker. if not, why even bring him in? it will be walker creating and tatum as the outlet most of the time. We already saw it in this game. End of 3rd qtr. Brad went with Tatum. Same thing in the 4th, Tatum hit big shots that prevented the Bucks from making a comeback. Kemba was brought in for star power and scoring. But in the clutch, even Popovich went with Tatum when the game was on the line against Turkey.
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Post by puddin on Nov 1, 2019 10:16:22 GMT -5
Smart and Greek Freak.... the takedown.
Freak looked a bit surprised as bodies were separated!
ADVANTAGE: Smart
Pud
How Smart's D on Giannis sparked C's rally
BOSTON — Marcus Smart jammed his posterior into the lower body of Giannis Antetokounmpo even before Pat Connaughton elevated with a 3-point attempt. By the time the ball got to the rim, Smart had driven the reigning MVP out of the restricted area to allow Kemba Walker to swoop in for the rebound.
An annoyed Antetokounmpo, his right arm tangled with Smart, wrapped his free arm around Smart’s back and fell backwards, seemingly intent on drawing a foul call. Smart, well versed in the art of whistle grifting, raised his hands towards a nearby referee to demonstrate that what was about to happen wasn’t Smart’s fault.
Antetokounmpo crashed to the floor in front fo the Bucks’ bench and Smart — arms still outstretchd — splashed on top of him like Jimmy Snuka coming off the cage against Don Muraco. As players rushed over in fear of a scuffle, Smart calmly disengaged and pleaded his case to referee Marc Davis, who charged Antetokounmpo with the loose-ball foul.
“That right there,” Smart said, referencing the tumble, when asked how he knew he was getting under Antetokounmpo’s skin. "Every time I’m boxing him out, he’s trying to throw me out the way. It lets me know he’s frustrated, I’m getting to him, especially when he’s not getting to the ball, or he’s not getting to the rim, or he’s not getting the shots that he usually gets.”
The Celtics, shorthanded after Jaylen Brown was a late scratch due to illness and playing their fourth straight game without one of their primary centers, dispatched Smart as a starter Wednesday night. Coach Brad Stevens, likely emboldened after watching Smart joust with Antetokounmpo at the FIBA World Championships in China in August, tasked his 6-foot-4 guard with being the primary defender on the 6-foot-11 Antetokounmpo.
The late-game tumble ought to tell you how the matchup played out but the NBA’s matchup-tracking data confirms Smart’s absurd efforts in limiting the MVP.
NBA’s matchup data had Marcus Smart logging most minutes defending Giannis. Allowed only one field goal and created three turnovers in 17 possessions defended. pic.twitter.com/sUr7rlxGx9 — Chris Forsberg (@chrisforsberg_) October 31, 2019
Smart was credited with defending Antetokounmpo for a team-high 4 minutes, 26 seconds. Over the course of 17 possessions, Antetokounmpo generated just 5 points on 1-of-2 shooting while committing three turnovers. Boston’s other so-called Giannis Stopper, third-year wing Semi Ojeleye, logged 15 defensive possessions over 3:28 and limited Antetokounmpo to 2 points on 1-of-2 shooting.
Smart hadn’t spent more than 3:06 defending any other player in Boston’s first three games but spent much of this night glued to Antetokounmpo. Smart very much enjoyed the challenge.
“Oh, I love it. I’m ecstatic about it every single time I get the opportunity,” said Smart. "Giannis is a great player, and rightfully so. He dictates that much attention from a team. We played really good as a team tonight it took everybody and they all helped.”
Undeniably, the Celtics sent a lot of bodies at Antetokounmpo and everybody played a part in walling off the paint and preventing easy drives, especially after Antetokounmpo got to the rim a couple times in the opening minutes while Milwaukee built a 19-point lead.
But it was Smart who played primary antagonist as Antetokounmpo settled for a 22-point, 14-rebound night — modest by his MVP standards. Smart further offset Antetokounmpo’s impact by chipping in 19 points and six assists of his own. Smart finished 5-of-11 shooting beyond the 3-point arc.
"Over the years, playing against that man, he’s just a tough guy. He never shies away from the moment,” said Celtics newcomer Kemba Walker. “He made some huge shots. At one point, when we were all struggling, he was the one keeping us in the game making all the right plays.”
Smart frustrated Antetokounmpo from the jump, forcing a jump ball early in the first quarter. Late in the third frame, Smart took a charge when Antetokounmpo plowed into him with a spin move. Smart thought he deserved a similar call late in the fourth and earned a technical foul when he protested to a nearby official.
Then came the tumble with Antetokounmpo. This time he got the whistle he wanted. Though his mind was on other matters as the two slammed to the ground.
"At that moment, don’t lose any more money for me,” joked Smart. "But me and Giannis been battling the whole night. A couple calls didn’t go our way early on but we just stayed with it so I kept my hands up and when I got the call I just — that was everything we needed. It was a momentum-changer for us, it kept us with the momentum, it got the team going and it got me going.”
Truth be told, Smart was already going. He’d been going pretty much the whole night. And the Celtics don’t win that game without his efforts to keep them afloat whenever the Bucks threatened to rip the game open.
Smart staked an early claim to earning another All-Defense first-team nod. If he keeps embracing the challenge of defending All-Star bigs, maybe he’ll be the rare guard to get some consideration for Defensive Player of the Year.
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Post by cole on Nov 1, 2019 10:29:29 GMT -5
yesterday was surely one of smart's best games on record
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 10:37:55 GMT -5
If Celts want more bench scoring then move Brown to the bench. Let Brown be the man on the 2nd unit. Smart plays well with the starters. Moving Jaylen to the bench will benefit both Brown and the Celtic bench. The starting 5 already has lots of offense with Kemba, Tatum, and Hayward. I have to disagree ...
the intent is to play Smart along with Kanter off the bench. Kanter providing the offense and Smart the defense to help Kanter with perimeter & rim protection. Brown needs to remain as a starter to continue the inside/outside game between him & Tatum giving defenses hangovers trying to stop or even slow down the tandem.
It's obvious to everyone here and Ainge didn't give Brown over 100 mil to be a bench player. Smart works better off the bench with Kanter and sense we found our true PG in '''Hayward''it's even more evidence. For the record. Tatum took 10 shots in the first half and 12 in the second. Ainge was going with him from the tip off. Hayward took control in the 3rd that was the difference maker. It's also quite comforting to know we paid a 5'11'' shooting guard 30 mil. Like IT Walker will be exposed playoff time. Fierce is one fucked up individual .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 10:39:26 GMT -5
yesterday was surely one of smart's best games on record Bet ya his shooting % never gets above 40% this year and his threes not above 33%...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 10:54:23 GMT -5
I disagree. I think the bench played very good d, especially grant williams. I mean, the bench was like wannamaker and semi last night anyway also expect the starters to stagger through the rotations and take most of the shots, sans carsen i would say the guys out there knew their roles and stayed within themselves Yea the bench was short with Brown and Kanter out. I thought that was obvious... One would need to keep up with he team to realize that the bench was gutted. I'm just hoping that fire burns LA to the ground and takes our resident faker fan with it.......
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Post by fierce on Nov 1, 2019 11:30:07 GMT -5
I have to disagree ...
the intent is to play Smart along with Kanter off the bench. Kanter providing the offense and Smart the defense to help Kanter with perimeter & rim protection. Brown needs to remain as a starter to continue the inside/outside game between him & Tatum giving defenses hangovers trying to stop or even slow down the tandem.
It's obvious to everyone here and Ainge didn't give Brown over 100 mil to be a bench player. Smart works better off the bench with Kanter and sense we found our true PG in '''Hayward''it's even more evidence. For the record. Tatum took 10 shots in the first half and 12 in the second. Ainge was going with him from the tip off. Hayward took control in the 3rd that was the difference maker. It's also quite comforting to know we paid a 5'11'' shooting guard 30 mil. Like IT Walker will be exposed playoff time. Fierce is one fucked up individual . Ainge gave Brown 100m to produce, off the bench or as a starter. If we go by your logic then HOFer would've been no good because he was winning 6th man of the year awards. Until the playoffs come, enjoy the grilling because Kemba and Carsen will punch you in the grill, left and right, up and down!
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Post by fierce on Nov 1, 2019 11:32:16 GMT -5
Smart works better off the bench with Kanter
That statement is pure speculation because Kanter has only played in 1 game and he was a starter in that game. So we haven't seen both Smart and Kanter come of the bench yet this season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 11:39:26 GMT -5
It's obvious to everyone here and Ainge didn't give Brown over 100 mil to be a bench player. Smart works better off the bench with Kanter and sense we found our true PG in '''Hayward''it's even more evidence. For the record. Tatum took 10 shots in the first half and 12 in the second. Ainge was going with him from the tip off. Hayward took control in the 3rd that was the difference maker. It's also quite comforting to know we paid a 5'11'' shooting guard 30 mil. Like IT Walker will be exposed playoff time. Fierce is one fucked up individual . Ainge gave Brown 100m to produce, off the bench or as a starter. If we go by your logic then HOFer would've been no good because he was winning 6th man of the year awards. Until the playoffs come, enjoy the grilling because Kemba and Carsen will punch you in the grill, left and right, up and down! I wish one of the midgets would show up. My grill is waiting. I've stepped on and over tougher men looking for a fight.....
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Post by fierce on Nov 1, 2019 11:39:31 GMT -5
I think you can open a restaurant, dee.
You should name it "dee's grill" powered by midgets. I think it would be a best seller.
I predicted Celts would win 56 games this season. Imagine if Kemba and Carsen would play well in those 40 wins. I mean dee would have no teeth left after all the grilling!
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Post by fierce on Nov 1, 2019 11:42:18 GMT -5
Ainge gave Brown 100m to produce, off the bench or as a starter. If we go by your logic then HOFer would've been no good because he was winning 6th man of the year awards. Until the playoffs come, enjoy the grilling because Kemba and Carsen will punch you in the grill, left and right, up and down! I wish one of the midgets would show up. My grill is waiting. I've stepped on and over tougher men looking for a fight..... In case you're not watching the games, Celts have already won 3 straight games and Kemba averaged 28.7 ppg in those 3 games. Like I said, just because some players are smaller than other players, it doesn't mean they're automatically no good. It's going to be a long season for you, dee.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 12:00:13 GMT -5
I wish one of the midgets would show up. My grill is waiting. I've stepped on and over tougher men looking for a fight..... In case you're not watching the games, Celts have already won 3 straight games and Kemba averaged 28.7 ppg in those 3 games. Like I said, just because some players are smaller than other players, it doesn't mean they're automatically no good. It's going to be a long season for you, dee. Yea Edwards is shooting 22% His per is below 7 He can't hit the ocean. Of course Walker will put up 25 a game. He did that for 7 losing seasons in Carolina. Folks just south of me don't speak so highly of him. Jordan being the fool he is took 7 years to figure this out. From Greensboro, to NC→Charlotte, NC are burning his jersey. I can see the smoke drifting over the mountains.
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Post by fierce on Nov 1, 2019 12:07:32 GMT -5
That's because Jordan was relying too much on Kemba.
With the Celts, Kemba will not be doing the heavy lifting.
You're thinking Boston is Charlotte. Boston is not Charlotte. Charlotte never had guys like Tatum, Hayward, Smart, and Brown.
It's very clear your logic is flawed. Your dislike for midgets is clouding your judgement.
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Post by fierce on Nov 1, 2019 12:09:42 GMT -5
If Kemba puts up 25 a game, Celts will easily win 50 games.
Carsen's time will come. Give him 20 games before coming to a conclusion.
By season's end it will be the smoke of your grill drifting over the mountains.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 1, 2019 12:22:52 GMT -5
I use to want to move Hayward to the bench, because I love the idea of him at PG of the second unit. But Smart has really improved offensively, so now Im not so sure. No need to move Jaylen to the bench, the problem with the bench are currently Edwards and Wannamaker. Offense slows down to a crawl when they are in the game. When Jaylens back, and Smart moves back to the bench, the problem will fix itself.
Before this year, I never saw Smart as a PG. He's changed my mind this year. His playmaking aptitude (decision making) has really improved.
In all honesty, it doesnt really matter who starts. It really matters who closes. This is when the decision Jaylen vs Smart gets tricky. Cuz I want them both in late in the 4th during a tight game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 12:59:18 GMT -5
I use to want to move Hayward to the bench, because I love the idea of him at PG of the second unit. But Smart has really improved offensively, so now Im not so sure. No need to move Jaylen to the bench, the problem with the bench are currently Edwards and Wannamaker. Offense slows down to a crawl when they are in the game. When Jaylens back, and Smart moves back to the bench, the problem will fix itself. Before this year, I never saw Smart as a PG. He's changed my mind this year. His playmaking aptitude (decision making) has really improved. In all honesty, it doesnt really matter who starts. It really matters who closes. This is when the decision Jaylen vs Smart gets tricky. Cuz I want them both in late in the 4th during a tight game. I agree except Smart has just had one good game on offense. He's the best passer on the team but his IQ is no where near Hayward's never will be. He takes a lot of bad shots.. Walker can't run the offense that is clear. We paid 30 mil for a 5'11 shooting guard. He will ever be a good or great shooter. Never . He will also hurt himself like he does every season.... Mirrors are good for doing lines not for punching....
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Post by hedleylamarr on Nov 1, 2019 14:07:16 GMT -5
I use to want to move Hayward to the bench, because I love the idea of him at PG of the second unit. But Smart has really improved offensively, so now Im not so sure. No need to move Jaylen to the bench, the problem with the bench are currently Edwards and Wannamaker. Offense slows down to a crawl when they are in the game. When Jaylens back, and Smart moves back to the bench, the problem will fix itself. Before this year, I never saw Smart as a PG. He's changed my mind this year. His playmaking aptitude (decision making) has really improved. In all honesty, it doesnt really matter who starts. It really matters who closes. This is when the decision Jaylen vs Smart gets tricky. Cuz I want them both in late in the 4th during a tight game. I think a lot depends on Edwards. Smart, Edwards, Semi, Kanter and GWill is a solid NBA bench. Offense and defense. Small, but so is the rest of the team. Want Edwards to start playing well soon. But, unlike Fierce, I don't think it would shut anyone up, they'll just be on to the next whine......like Stevens or Ainge again.....good grief!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Nov 1, 2019 14:24:03 GMT -5
Brad Stevens announced at Friday morning’s shootaround that Jaylen Brown, who missed Wednesday’s game due to an illness, remains under the weather and is “doubtful-to-out” for tonight’s matchup with New York. Enes Kanter, who has missed Boston’s last three games with a left knee contusion, has also been ruled out. Lastly, Rob Williams is termed as doubtful due to left hip bursitis that flared up Friday morning.
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