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Post by Employee8 on May 19, 2016 11:48:02 GMT -5
www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/05/2016_nba_draft_rumors_kris_dun.htmlOn a draft lottery show for The Vertical, Adrian Wojnarowski reported Dunn did not undergo a physical examination at last week's NBA Draft Combine. According to Wojnarowski, Dunn's agents could try to use that as leverage; they don't want him going to a team with a "young, established point guard."
Wojnarowski specifically mentioned the Celtics, who own the No. 3 pick, and the Phoenix Suns, who sit at No. 4, as teams from which Dunn's camp is "very likely" to withhold medical information. Either club could still take Dunn regardless, but would have a tougher time committing to the talented playmaker without receiving as much access to him and his records. Dunn has undergone two serious shoulder surgeries since deciding to attend Providence.
"They can't stop them from drafting Dunn," Wojnarowski said on the show, "but will those teams do it without his medical records, without a personal workout, without an interview with him? Because I'm told Boston and Phoenix will likely have to do that with Dunn."
Despite the perceived drop-off in value after the top two, Wojnarowski believes the market for the third selection could be strong.
"There will be a lot of teams trying to get to 3," said Wojnarowski. "I think a lot of teams view, after the top two, a lot of players differently. Whether it's Kris Dunn, Dragan Bender, that group of players will (have) appeal, so someone's going to try to move up and get there. Will there be a package rich enough for the Celtics to want to move out of there? And does Danny Ainge see a difference-maker in that spot that he wants to take? But certainly Danny Ainge is always open for business in Boston with deals. They have multiple picks. I think they'll be very active in the trade market."
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Post by Employee8 on May 19, 2016 12:19:56 GMT -5
Per the BostonHerald.com ...
He [Dunn] had a great interview with Philadelphia last week at the combine, and that lends credence to the belief the Sixers would love to trade for this pick.
And what of the rumors that the Lakers were intrigued with Dunn?
Could L.A. trade down with the C's (since Ingram may not be as good a fit as Dunn or even Hield who they also have expressed interest in)?
Wouldn't L.A. benefit by extracting a pound of flesh from the C's and DA in return for #2 ... our #3 and another pick or two?
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 19, 2016 12:50:02 GMT -5
I still like my "plan" - trade the #3 to PHI for Okafor, package the 16 and 23 (plus a player or another pick), to Utah for #7.
We don't want or need Dunn...............
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Post by Employee8 on May 19, 2016 12:53:55 GMT -5
I still like my "plan" - trade the #3 to PHI for Okafor, package the 16 and 23 (plus a player or another pick), to Utah for #7. We don't want or need Dunn............... So far, the Okafor trade makes the most sense to me as well. And I do favor trading picks with either the Suns or the Jazz to move up as much as possible. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 19, 2016 13:07:36 GMT -5
I still like my "plan" - trade the #3 to PHI for Okafor, package the 16 and 23 (plus a player or another pick), to Utah for #7. We don't want or need Dunn............... So far, the Okafor trade makes the most sense to me as well. And I do favor trading picks with either the Suns or the Jazz to move up as much as possible. I read all the players Utah likes are likely later first round picks............makes sense to me - we have 2! |
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Post by Employee8 on May 19, 2016 13:26:13 GMT -5
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 19, 2016 15:12:07 GMT -5
I like Anderson, and he'd be great here............I am in the minority, though, on Barganani.......he can shoot, and KO is out for a while.... |
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Post by drewski6 on May 20, 2016 9:04:09 GMT -5
I personally believe that Dunn's ceiling is capped, as is sometimes the case with upper classmen. I also dont see much of a difference between him and what we already have in Rozier.
Hopefully, the demand for Dunn causes a rival GM to make an aggressive for the #3 pick
If not, and we cant swing a trade, I'm in the camp of Buddy or Brown. Find myself leaning Brown.
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Post by mellymel6 on May 20, 2016 10:11:53 GMT -5
I personally believe that Dunn's ceiling is capped, as is sometimes the case with upper classmen. I also dont see much of a difference between him and what we already have in Rozier. Hopefully, the demand for Dunn causes a rival GM to make an aggressive for the #3 pick If not, and we cant swing a trade, I'm in the camp of Buddy or Brown. Find myself leaning Brown. The talk of late is starting that Dunn declaring his disdain for coming to the C's means it hurts DA's ability to deal the 3rd pick because teams (Philly) that want Dunn can wait out the C's knowing Dunn's agent told the C's not to pick him because he won't sign here and that will drive the eventual price for any deal related for the pick and or Dunn way out of line. Just more fun and games for GM Danny Ainge. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 20, 2016 11:22:34 GMT -5
If he's picked, he has to sign here...........or go overseas. DA will take Bender if PHI won't budge. Dunn's agent is not releasing medical records to PHO and BOS, that doesn't mean they won't take him. Esp if they want to use him as trade bait. IF DA takes Dunn, then he holds the upper hand over PHI, no?
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Post by thejuice on May 20, 2016 11:40:01 GMT -5
I personally believe that Dunn's ceiling is capped, as is sometimes the case with upper classmen. I also dont see much of a difference between him and what we already have in Rozier. Hopefully, the demand for Dunn causes a rival GM to make an aggressive for the #3 pick If not, and we cant swing a trade, I'm in the camp of Buddy or Brown. Find myself leaning Brown. I'm with you. I'd also look at murray at 3 too |
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Post by Admin on May 20, 2016 11:55:36 GMT -5
If he's picked, he has to sign here...........or go overseas. DA will take Bender if PHI won't budge. Dunn's agent is not releasing medical records to PHO and BOS, that doesn't mean they won't take him. Esp if they want to use him as trade bait. IF DA takes Dunn, then he holds the upper hand over PHI, no? I don't see DA picking Dunn unless for another team. If he has no "deal" and has to keep the pick, then I can see Murray or Bender (maybe Hield or Brown). |
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Post by mellymel6 on May 20, 2016 13:42:19 GMT -5
I don't want any part of the ONE DIMENSIONAL Hield unless it's in a deal with someone else...the man does not help us at all...
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Post by kyceltic on May 20, 2016 15:41:46 GMT -5
Before I took Bender with the 3rd pick, I believe I would take Skal. I think he has as much upside as anyone in the draft!!
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Post by Employee8 on May 20, 2016 15:49:06 GMT -5
Before I took Bender with the 3rd pick, I believe I would take Skal. I think he has as much upside as anyone in the draft!! Would you take him ahead of Murray? |
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Post by Employee8 on May 20, 2016 16:02:54 GMT -5
www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/05/poll-2016-community-mock-draft-pick-no-3.htmlWhile Boston is a prime candidate to make a trade involving the No. 3 pick, for our purposes today we’ll assume they keep it. Readers, you are now on the clock! Cast your vote for Boston’s pick and check back Saturday for the results, as well as to cast your vote for who the Suns will select with the No. 4 overall pick.
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Post by kyceltic on May 20, 2016 16:42:02 GMT -5
Before I took Bender with the 3rd pick, I believe I would take Skal. I think he has as much upside as anyone in the draft!! Would you take him ahead of Murray? Maybe!! That's a hard one. Coming in as a freshmen, he was rated right up there with Simmons and Ingram. He has as much potential as anyone in this draft!! I don't think Coach Cal helped this guy at all, with the way he was used!! |
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Post by thejuice on May 20, 2016 17:15:54 GMT -5
Before I took Bender with the 3rd pick, I believe I would take Skal. I think he has as much upside as anyone in the draft!! Would you take him ahead of Murray? That would not be wise. Skal would be a fine pick at 16 but not at 3. No way |
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Post by Employee8 on May 20, 2016 17:34:16 GMT -5
Would you take him ahead of Murray? That would not be wise. Skal would be a fine pick at 16 but not at 3. No way So you don't think Bender belongs in the discussion until 8-16??? PS: Sorry, that was meant for kycelt ... not you. |
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Post by Employee8 on May 20, 2016 17:38:07 GMT -5
Would you take him ahead of Murray? Maybe!! That's a hard one. Coming in as a freshmen, he was rated right up there with Simmons and Ingram. He has as much potential as anyone in this draft!! I don't think Coach Cal helped this guy at all, with the way he was used!! So you think Bender s/b lower in the draft or Skal is way under valued and s/b in top 5? |
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Post by Employee8 on May 20, 2016 19:11:43 GMT -5
If he's picked, he has to sign here...........or go overseas. DA will take Bender if PHI won't budge. Dunn's agent is not releasing medical records to PHO and BOS, that doesn't mean they won't take him. Esp if they want to use him as trade bait. IF DA takes Dunn, then he holds the upper hand over PHI, no? Maybe not Philly but another team ... here's a rational perspective of the Dunn for Okafor potential trade; The Okafor-Dunn deal is by no means the huge move Danny Ainge should be focusing on. This trade would be a consolation prize. To get a second-year player who averaged 17 points and 7 rebounds on a historically awful team isn’t the franchise centerpiece the Celtics should be looking for. Could he be really good in the NBA? Yes. But Kris Dunn (who I think is the third-best player in the draft) could, too. He has the skill set and mentality now to be a four- or five-time All-NBA Defensive First Team kind of guy. However, his skill set is redundant to Marcus Smart and Terry Rozier so he's not a fit for the C’s.
But we don’t know what Dunn or Okafor will be. The operative word in the above paragraph is COULD. This is all potential. Therefore, the trade you want now isn’t for Okafor. It’s for Jimmy Butler or Paul George.
www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/boston-celtics-should-trade-for-jimmy-butler-or-paul-george-not-jahlil-okafor
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Post by drboogiebone on May 21, 2016 2:45:23 GMT -5
If he's picked, he has to sign here...........or go overseas. DA will take Bender if PHI won't budge. Dunn's agent is not releasing medical records to PHO and BOS, that doesn't mean they won't take him. Esp if they want to use him as trade bait. IF DA takes Dunn, then he holds the upper hand over PHI, no? Maybe not Philly but another team ... here's a rational perspective of the Dunn for Okafor potential trade; The Okafor-Dunn deal is by no means the huge move Danny Ainge should be focusing on. This trade would be a consolation prize. To get a second-year player who averaged 17 points and 7 rebounds on a historically awful team isn’t the franchise centerpiece the Celtics should be looking for. Could he be really good in the NBA? Yes. But Kris Dunn (who I think is the third-best player in the draft) could, too. He has the skill set and mentality now to be a four- or five-time All-NBA Defensive First Team kind of guy. However, his skill set is redundant to Marcus Smart and Terry Rozier so he's not a fit for the C’s.
But we don’t know what Dunn or Okafor will be. The operative word in the above paragraph is COULD. This is all potential. Therefore, the trade you want now isn’t for Okafor. It’s for Jimmy Butler or Paul George.
www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/boston-celtics-should-trade-for-jimmy-butler-or-paul-george-not-jahlil-okafor
Nice post BB8. Good read. Here's my take (with my limited outsiders knowledge). If I'm DA, I'm looking at 2 players right now. Bender or Murray. I like Bender more cause he addresses needs of ours, plus some. His weaknesses (strength, experience) can be easily overcome more so then skills. He's a long 7 footer, athletic, mobile, good motor, IQ, 3 positional player who can stretch defenses at 18yrs of age (still need to get some feedback from workouts). Though I do like Murray too, but his weaknesses (explosiveness, defense) are a serious red flag for todays NBA guards. Especially explosiveness. You NEED explosiveness as an offensive guard at the next level. With that said, I also agree with the article if DA decides to travel the "win now" path. Focus on Butler or George if available. More so then Okafor. If you can trade the 3rd pick, another pick or 2, and a player (Smart, Bradley, or Crowder). Do it! You have to give up value to get it in return. I wouldn't give up any more Brooklyn picks though. That's too high of a price considering where those picks appear to be landing. What if next years swap or 2018's lands the #1 overall... you wanna see that go to another team? I don't think so. |
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Post by mellymel6 on May 21, 2016 7:31:36 GMT -5
Maybe not Philly but another team ... here's a rational perspective of the Dunn for Okafor potential trade; The Okafor-Dunn deal is by no means the huge move Danny Ainge should be focusing on. This trade would be a consolation prize. To get a second-year player who averaged 17 points and 7 rebounds on a historically awful team isn’t the franchise centerpiece the Celtics should be looking for. Could he be really good in the NBA? Yes. But Kris Dunn (who I think is the third-best player in the draft) could, too. He has the skill set and mentality now to be a four- or five-time All-NBA Defensive First Team kind of guy. However, his skill set is redundant to Marcus Smart and Terry Rozier so he's not a fit for the C’s.
But we don’t know what Dunn or Okafor will be. The operative word in the above paragraph is COULD. This is all potential. Therefore, the trade you want now isn’t for Okafor. It’s for Jimmy Butler or Paul George.
www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/boston-celtics-should-trade-for-jimmy-butler-or-paul-george-not-jahlil-okafor
Nice post BB8. Good read. Here's my take (with my limited outsiders knowledge). If I'm DA, I'm looking at 2 players right now. Bender or Murray. I like Bender more cause he addresses needs of ours, plus some. His weaknesses (strength, experience) can be easily overcome more so then skills. He's a long 7 footer, athletic, mobile, good motor, IQ, 3 positional player who can stretch defenses at 18yrs of age (still need to get some feedback from workouts). Though I do like Murray too, but his weaknesses (explosiveness, defense) are a serious red flag for todays NBA guards. Especially explosiveness. You NEED explosiveness as an offensive guard at the next level. With that said, I also agree with the article if DA decides to travel the "win now" path. Focus on Butler or George if available. More so then Okafor. If you can trade the 3rd pick, another pick or 2, and a player (Smart, Bradley, or Crowder). Do it! You have to give up value to get it in return. I wouldn't give up any more Brooklyn picks though. That's too high of a price considering where those picks appear to be landing. What if next years swap or 2018's lands the #1 overall... you wanna see that go to another team? I don't think so. I agree with most of what you say...I wanted Okafor more as a way to pacakage something great to leverage a way to get Cousins...Cousins....from the Kings because I believe at this point everyone except Lebron is available for the right price and everyone , every GM in posturing because nobody available in this draft is a sure thing. I'm NOT in love with Bender because he's a POTENTIALLY tougher KO, a BETTER KO, and right now, I wouldn't cry anything but Crocodile tears if KO couldn't play another second in the NBA!Butler, George, anybody who is a known quantity and could draw other FA known quantities who will get us that much closer to the finals is what we need...it's time...go get it done! |
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Post by kyceltic on May 21, 2016 10:07:31 GMT -5
Maybe!! That's a hard one. Coming in as a freshmen, he was rated right up there with Simmons and Ingram. He has as much potential as anyone in this draft!! I don't think Coach Cal helped this guy at all, with the way he was used!! So you think Bender s/b lower in the draft or Skal is way under valued and s/b in top 5? Everything I see and read on Bender, reminds me more and more of a weaker Kelly O. I wouldn't even pick him with the 16th pick. If we're going to keep the pick, I am leaning toward taking Skal with our first pick!! Davis from Michigan st. with our second and Maker with our third. I'm going big baby!! |
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Post by Admin on May 21, 2016 10:28:00 GMT -5
So you think Bender s/b lower in the draft or Skal is way under valued and s/b in top 5? Everything I see and read on Bender, reminds me more and more of a weaker Kelly O. I wouldn't even pick him with the 16th pick. If we're going to keep the pick, I am leaning toward taking Skal with our first pick!! Davis from Michigan st. with our second and Maker with our third. I'm going big baby!! I'd like Davis @ 16 but most mocks have him gone before that. A few developmental bigs like Maker & Qi is a good plan for the future and it's now or never for stashing a few. I just found this on LaBissiere and will be viewing it as soon as I finish this post ... I've seen him as high as 8 or 9 (DraftExpress?) and as low as 15 (NBADraft) but noone has him in the top 5 ... Sounds like a "confidence" problem. I'm afraid he could be another Young. www.draftexpress.com/article/Skal-Labissiere-2016-NBA-Pre-Draft-Workout-and-Interview-Video-5484/espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:15532178 |
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