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Post by drboogiebone on May 21, 2016 10:34:46 GMT -5
Nice post BB8. Good read. Here's my take (with my limited outsiders knowledge). If I'm DA, I'm looking at 2 players right now. Bender or Murray. I like Bender more cause he addresses needs of ours, plus some. His weaknesses (strength, experience) can be easily overcome more so then skills. He's a long 7 footer, athletic, mobile, good motor, IQ, 3 positional player who can stretch defenses at 18yrs of age (still need to get some feedback from workouts). Though I do like Murray too, but his weaknesses (explosiveness, defense) are a serious red flag for todays NBA guards. Especially explosiveness. You NEED explosiveness as an offensive guard at the next level. With that said, I also agree with the article if DA decides to travel the "win now" path. Focus on Butler or George if available. More so then Okafor. If you can trade the 3rd pick, another pick or 2, and a player (Smart, Bradley, or Crowder). Do it! You have to give up value to get it in return. I wouldn't give up any more Brooklyn picks though. That's too high of a price considering where those picks appear to be landing. What if next years swap or 2018's lands the #1 overall... you wanna see that go to another team? I don't think so. I agree with most of what you say...I wanted Okafor more as a way to pacakage something great to leverage a way to get Cousins...Cousins....from the Kings because I believe at this point everyone except Lebron is available for the right price and everyone , every GM in posturing because nobody available in this draft is a sure thing. I'm NOT in love with Bender because he's a POTENTIALLY tougher KO, a BETTER KO, and right now, I wouldn't cry anything but Crocodile tears if KO couldn't play another second in the NBA!Butler, George, anybody who is a known quantity and could draw other FA known quantities who will get us that much closer to the finals is what we need...it's time...go get it done! It's tough to get an accurate read on Bender right now as his team is still playing and we haven't heard anything on his workouts (which he hasn't had). But from what I've seen, this young man is far from Kelly. This guy has speed, a very good first step, lateral quickness and isn't horrible at defense. Which we all know, Kelly doesn't even dream about defense. The only comparison I see is they're both 7 footers who can stretch the defense. This kid is much more mobile then Kelly. Again, this is just from what I've seen. We need more feedback on him. Most scouts describe him as a Porzingus type with a 3pt shot. That's not Kelly. And Kelly can't play SF either. And just for the record, I'm not opposed at going after Jahil. Not at all. Your last sentence speaks the wants of all C's fans.
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Post by rkarp1 on May 24, 2016 7:08:45 GMT -5
Everything I see and read on Bender, reminds me more and more of a weaker Kelly O. I wouldn't even pick him with the 16th pick. If we're going to keep the pick, I am leaning toward taking Skal with our first pick!! Davis from Michigan st. with our second and Maker with our third. I'm going big baby!! I'd like Davis @ 16 but most mocks have him gone before that. A few developmental bigs like Maker & Qi is a good plan for the future and it's now or never for stashing a few. I just found this on LaBissiere and will be viewing it as soon as I finish this post ... I've seen him as high as 8 or 9 (DraftExpress?) and as low as 15 (NBADraft) but noone has him in the top 5 ... Sounds like a "confidence" problem. I'm afraid he could be another Young. www.draftexpress.com/article/Skal-Labissiere-2016-NBA-Pre-Draft-Workout-and-Interview-Video-5484/espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:15532178really? most scouting reports on Bender having him coming out 1 year younger than Porzingis with higher upside. better offensively than Porzingis, but not yet defensively, and no where as strong
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Post by drewski6 on May 25, 2016 14:16:57 GMT -5
KO has become a 7' catch and pop one dimensional SG. I dont think its safe to assume that other white foreign lanky players will have a similar trajectory. KO is an enigma. An exception, not the standard. He's a forward that thinks he's a guard. Kind of like a giant st. bernard that thinks its a lap dog.
There is a lot of middle ground between being a strong PF who plays a power game and KO. Bender, as well as practically all stretch 4's, are somewhere in that middle. KO is the extreme.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 15, 2016 11:37:45 GMT -5
I will be thoroughly pissed if we take Dunn. He refuses to workout or give his medical records to teams like PHO and BOS because they already have guards. The ONLY scenario I envision would be we take him then trade him to PHI for Noel or Okafor. Kid does not deserve to be in the conversation with his crappy attitude. Kind of hoping he ends up in the D League!
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Post by raider3524 on Jun 18, 2016 1:23:11 GMT -5
man..dunn looks badass!
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Post by raider3524 on Jun 18, 2016 1:26:57 GMT -5
now i can see why teams love this guy...
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 18, 2016 20:38:43 GMT -5
We dont need any more guards with wildly inconsistent outside shooting. Dunn was done from the start!
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Post by thejuice on Jun 22, 2016 19:54:48 GMT -5
now i can see why teams love this guy... I think he's bpa at 3. Then move one or more of Bradley, smart, crowder or IT for a all star wing or defensive, rebounding stud center
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Post by pumpsiegreen on Jun 23, 2016 9:34:57 GMT -5
Taking this guy would be idiotic. He is a medical risk, and he doesn't want to be here. Dunn is finished.
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Post by Employee8 on Jun 23, 2016 12:29:07 GMT -5
espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4723351/the-case-for-kris-dunn-to-the-celtics-at-no-3But here's a handful of reasons Boston shouldn't hesitate to pick Dunn with the first of their eight selections in Wednesday's draft: • Defensive DNA: The Celtics drew heavy praise from opposing teams last season, and most of those compliments were in regard to the team's perimeter defense. Adding Dunn to a backcourt that already has certified pests in Smart and Bradley would leave opposing ball handlers under consistent duress. Consider this: Dunn ranked in the 85th percentile among all college guards while limiting opponents to 0.728 points per play, according to Synergy Sports. Filter down to the college players who defended at least 300 plays the past season and Dunn ranked 15th out of 149 eligible bodies. What's more, opponents shot a mere 32.8 percent from the field overall against him, according to Synergy data. • Another ball handler: Boston coach Brad Stevens often leaned on reserve lineups that featured two ball handlers in Smart and Evan Turner. With Turner an unrestricted free agent who seems unlikely to return, the Celtics will need to find someone who can create offense. Synergy has a "play + assists" metric that incorporates a player's assist numbers into his overall offensive production. Although Dunn ranked in the 52nd percentile on his own offensively, he vaulted to the 89th percentile in "plays + assists," which isn't terribly unexpected for a point guard but is an encouraging spike. The Celtics are surely interested in seeing what sort of leap 2015 top pick Terry Rozier (16th overall) can make after a solid late-season cameo the past season. But as the playoff injury to Bradley reminded us last season, the Celtics could benefit from additional depth at the guard spot. Dunn's playmaking abilities would allow players such as Smart and Thomas to play off the ball more. • Immediate impact: While some of the teenagers in the draft -- guys such as Dragan Bender and Marquese Chriss -- have intriguing room for growth and development, Dunn would be able to immediately help a Boston team that wants to take another step forward this season, after winning 48 games the past season. • Savory salary: Even as the No. 3 pick, Dunn's Year 1 salary would be a modest $4.7 million (assuming he's signed at the typical 120 percent of the rookie scale). That's a measly 5 percent of the $93 million salary cap. Trading for established talent could come with a hefty price tag, while a No. 3 pick would be under the team's control long-term at modest money. There are obvious caution flags with Dunn. The scouting report says he must improve his shot selection (though he shot 37.2 percent beyond the 3-point arc last season). Also, he has been turnover prone (3.5 per game last season) at the college level. Ultimately, as we hear repeated each year, it comes down to the best player available. Every possible No. 3 pick has at least one question mark. You can find better shooting with Murray or Buddy Hield, aiding an area of obvious need for the Celtics, but rosters have a way of changing quickly, and the Celtics can't pass on the best player -- assuming they believe that Dunn is such -- just because there's a logjam at the moment. The Celtics and Stevens are trying to establish a defense-first identity. Dunn's abilities would only make Boston's perimeter defense that much more intimidating. The team still has seven more picks to -- one way or another -- fill areas of need. Of course, the reported interest in Dunn could be just a smokescreen, with the goal of increasing the value of the No. 3 pick. With a number of teams rumored to be interested in Dunn, the Celtics can get a team to overpay if it believes Boston -- or another possible trade partner -- might pull Dunn off the board. The Celtics tend to zig when everyone thinks they'll zag. Although many would groan if Dunn were the choice at No. 3, Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge won't hesitate to select a player if he believes he is the best choice for the team at that spot.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 23, 2016 13:19:03 GMT -5
I will groan unless he's traded. Nothing against the kid, but I don't think we need him. I hope he trades either Smart or Bradley if this is the case.
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