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Post by cole on May 24, 2022 11:37:18 GMT -5
I feel like rambling.In defense of Tatum some feeling his performance is erratic & he should star every game, I recall Kobe shooting 6 for 24 (25%) in 2010 finals but also 11 for 15 in foul shots & he was MVP. We did not play a terrific offensive game and were fortunate they were worse. But, it was our defense that truly won the game. The disparity in foul shots really helped as being tired they grabbed a lot as we drove to the basket. Neither team dominated shooting % or 3s but in the paint we were 38 pts to 28 and got 60 rebs to 39...+21 possessions. Sorry to bring up old wounds but in 2010 finals to the Lakers they got 25 of 37 fouls shots to 15 of 17 for us and last night we got 32 of 38 and they only 8 of 14 so we were + 24 pts in foul shots. Just Tatum was 14-16 in foul shots, more than their whole team. Got to continue to drive to the basket and, of course, hope our 3s are falling. Don’t know Herro’s status but I hope he’s out and we get Marcus back & Williams too might not play. But even with Herro out, Robinson is dangerous shooting in limited time 5-11 almost 50% but 4 for 8 on 3s. He helped cut our 25 pt lead down to 15 in the 4th Qtr. Ya know, we need points from Tatum...can’t now have a down game and Brown too...but Horford, White & Prichard not scoring a lot were instrumental in our victory. Again, I’m reminded of Kobe, GOD rest his soul, where in the 2010 finals he only shot 6 for 24 or 25% ( as I said he was MVP and would have been a goat had they lost) but and this is what Tatum & Brown need to do, get fouled as Kobe got 11 for 15 foul shots. Are you saying we need the league to cheat for us like kobe?
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Post by kyceltic on May 24, 2022 12:59:17 GMT -5
Tatum was so good last night, he outscored the Heats starting 5 combined!!
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Post by kyceltic on May 24, 2022 13:01:09 GMT -5
I feel like rambling.In defense of Tatum some feeling his performance is erratic & he should star every game, I recall Kobe shooting 6 for 24 (25%) in 2010 finals but also 11 for 15 in foul shots & he was MVP. We did not play a terrific offensive game and were fortunate they were worse. But, it was our defense that truly won the game. The disparity in foul shots really helped as being tired they grabbed a lot as we drove to the basket. Neither team dominated shooting % or 3s but in the paint we were 38 pts to 28 and got 60 rebs to 39...+21 possessions. Sorry to bring up old wounds but in 2010 finals to the Lakers they got 25 of 37 fouls shots to 15 of 17 for us and last night we got 32 of 38 and they only 8 of 14 so we were + 24 pts in foul shots. Just Tatum was 14-16 in foul shots, more than their whole team. Got to continue to drive to the basket and, of course, hope our 3s are falling. Don’t know Herro’s status but I hope he’s out and we get Marcus back & Williams too might not play. But even with Herro out, Robinson is dangerous shooting in limited time 5-11 almost 50% but 4 for 8 on 3s. He helped cut our 25 pt lead down to 15 in the 4th Qtr. Ya know, we need points from Tatum...can’t now have a down game and Brown too...but Horford, White & Prichard not scoring a lot were instrumental in our victory. Again, I’m reminded of Kobe, GOD rest his soul, where in the 2010 finals he only shot 6 for 24 or 25% ( as I said he was MVP and would have been a goat had they lost) but and this is what Tatum & Brown need to do, get fouled as Kobe got 11 for 15 foul shots. And he don't mean GOAT in a good way!
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Post by kyceltic on May 24, 2022 14:27:33 GMT -5
Since we miss Smart so little when he doesn't play, maybe we could ship him to Atlanta for Bogdanovic, this off season! Gives us a shooting guard, and gives the Hawks someone who can cover for Trae on defense!! A win, win, if I've ever seen one!! Do it Danny!! I mean Brad!!
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Post by kyceltic on May 24, 2022 15:25:42 GMT -5
Heat fans starting to get on my nerves, saying Sweet Pea injured Baby face Butler on purpose!!
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Post by quagmire on May 24, 2022 15:35:07 GMT -5
When Tatum worked out with Kobe a few years ago, I remember some talk in here how Tatum altered his game (not in a good way) to be more ball dominant and selfish on offense, like Kobe was. The only thing I hope Kobe talked about and mentored Tatum on was the loyalty and dedication it takes to commit to ONE TEAM and ONE CITY throughout your career!
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Post by petey62 on May 24, 2022 15:41:01 GMT -5
At least the White conversation had some merit...and he delivered just like his job description says. But..the whole tatum superstar is overstated already. Turn the page. There is a game 5 that is more important than flooding this board with tatum superstar. Thanks. Last night was an odd game, an ugly game. To me, DWhite had a good first quarter. Outside of that, he didn't move the needle and his offense was, again, mediocre. I want to see him hit 3 perimeter shots in a game! He scored our first 7 points in the first 1:59 of the game. Of the remaining 39 minutes that he played, he went 1 - 11 from the field and 0 - 7 from 3-point range. Again, he was left wide open on several occasions, DURING CELTICS RUNS, and he clanked the shots. You could hear the wind come out of the crowd. His last FG made was at 2:35 remaining in the 1st quarter. He didn't make a basket after the 1st quarter. He got 6 assists early highlighted by a very nice alley oop to Tatum for the dunk but also a panicked pass to Tatum who was under the basket and made an amazing shot while torquing his body for a layin (White got that assist but it was all Tatum). White panicked and simply got rid of the ball to Tatum and ended up getting an assist. He also committed three ugly turnovers too. And watching the playback, he got 8 defensive rebounds of shots that literally, ALL EIGHT, fell right to him for easy rebounds. When we're in Miami in a tight, tough game (or against GSW), WE WILL NEED DWhite's offense. When MIA goes back to double and triple teaming Tatum, DWhite is going to have to make shots and, I'm sorry, yesterday showed ME that he just isn't capable of doing that. I focus on DWhite because HE'S ALWAYS THE GUY LEFT WIDE OPEN. They don't leave PP open. They leave DWhite open. And I appreciate PP's defense. He works hard and isn't afraid to mix it up with anybody. Aint no one person STOPPING nobody, they can only work hard to make it harder for the offense. I'll take that from PP if he continues providing consistent offense off the bench. PP is our most productive offensive contributor off the bench, by far. Nobody is hating on DWhite. I'm looking at the WHOLE and not just a very small part.
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Post by Admin on May 24, 2022 15:42:48 GMT -5
Let's not equate a bad shooting night with a bad scoring night. I liked that Tatum did what he had to do last night to help his team win. I think the shoulder must be bothering him a little, hence the two airballs. We got off to a great start, and, like I said with Butler, it was WHEN he scored his points that was important, not how many. That's what a maturing player does. Bingo! I don't think the Admin can make a fair assessment on Jayson Tatum because until now he still doesn't recognize Jayson Tatum as an NBA superstar. Guys like Nesmith or Grant Williams don't get votes for the MVP. Tatum was an MVP candidate. Only superstars become MVP candidates.
Why you changing the argument?
I said he can't be inconsistent and a Superstar.
I also argued that he had a poor shooting night (aside from FTs when you said he had a good one) especially on 3's and was good in the paint and on layups. Take away the FTs and essentially he was a JB clone last night driving the paint as much as possible. His strength over JB is in the MRJ. He's just learned how effective he can be driving for layups and getting the hoop or the FTs and as I tried to imply, should make that a permanent part of his repertoire.
Look, forget % ... JB made 5-20 and JT 8-16. Bottom line is he had just 3 more hoops the entire night. They both shot poorly IMO but I applauded JT for the FTs that made up for any shortcomings (TOVs/PFs/etc). Does that make him a superstar? I don't think so but if he can do that anytime he's having a poor jump-shooting night and find ways to help his team win with rebounding, assists, FTs, defense then he'd be the next Bird or Pierce. But I'm sorry, he's not there yet though he's climbing the ladder fast and if he can take what he did is this game and apply it that will bring him another rung closer to the top.
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Post by Admin on May 24, 2022 15:44:50 GMT -5
Heat fans starting to get on my nerves, saying Sweet Pea injured Baby face Butler on purpose!!
He fouled Butler intentionally to prevent an easy score ... yes. But did he intent to injure him? Ridiculous!!!
Remind them how Rondo was pulled to the floor by Wade ... that too was intentional. Did he intend to hurt Rondo? Probably not but it was a much dirtier play than what PP did.
Announcer says Rondos leg caused the fall but Wade pulled him down by his right arm and to brace the fall Rondo injured his left arm. Where was the F1 or "T" for that? If Wade had been t'd up twice for his aggressive nonsense he would have been tossed but instead he was protected. That game is why I have never liked Wade and never will acknowledge is greatness. He'll always be a dirty player to me!
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Post by petey62 on May 24, 2022 16:07:43 GMT -5
The only reason you could argue Tatum DID NOT have a good shooting night last night is because the 3-point shot is so important to his game and he shot miserably. But he shot 50% from the field but, more importantly, got to the free throw line which I thought was vital.
If Tatum's 3-point shot is on, he's liable to drop 40, easy.
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Post by drewski6 on May 24, 2022 16:15:08 GMT -5
Yes they bounce back but Superstars aren't as inconsistent with as many bad games as good, especially at playoff time. Fierce, he's a great talent and an All-Star. He just isn't a "Superstar" yet ... stop pushing the issue and let Tatum grow into it on his own. Trying to convince poster/readers here isn't going to excelerate the process. Im w Fierce on this one. Top 5 player in NBA (already). I could argue top 1. Household name. Superstar. We're in the ECF and he's by far our most well known player. Hes a superstar among superstars.
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Post by rkarp1 on May 24, 2022 17:38:53 GMT -5
Tatum for me is a superstar in the same sense that PP was a superstar. PP had some tough stretches, including playoff games. PP a with out a doubt HOF'er, and Tatum could be as well if he stays on a similar trajectory. I still have numerous players ahead of Tatum however...Giannis, Embiid, Joker, Doncic, Durrant (sliding) LBJ (sliding), Morant. maybe Booker.
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Post by petey62 on May 24, 2022 17:52:40 GMT -5
Tyler Herro has a serious groin injury that normally would keep him out several weeks. He's going to try to play with the injury.
That is huge news.
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Post by puddin on May 24, 2022 18:01:43 GMT -5
Yes they bounce back but Superstars aren't as inconsistent with as many bad games as good, especially at playoff time. Fierce, he's a great talent and an All-Star. He just isn't a "Superstar" yet ... stop pushing the issue and let Tatum grow into it on his own. Trying to convince poster/readers here isn't going to excelerate the process. Im w Fierce on this one. Top 5 player in NBA (already). I could argue top 1. Household name. Superstar. We're in the ECF and he's by far our most well known player. Hes a superstar among superstars.Dunno what a superstar really is.... hard to define. Maybe the best of the best?
Perhaps the Cs have more than one superstar, one of which may very well be the best defensive PG of his generation.
Note the comment by Scal at the 1:50 mark of this tape.
Pud
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Post by fierce on May 24, 2022 18:23:54 GMT -5
Bingo! I don't think the Admin can make a fair assessment on Jayson Tatum because until now he still doesn't recognize Jayson Tatum as an NBA superstar. Guys like Nesmith or Grant Williams don't get votes for the MVP. Tatum was an MVP candidate. Only superstars become MVP candidates.
Why you changing the argument?
I said he can't be inconsistent and a Superstar.
I also argued that he had a poor shooting night (aside from FTs when you said he had a good one) especially on 3's and was good in the paint and on layups. Take away the FTs and essentially he was a JB clone last night driving the paint as much as possible. His strength over JB is in the MRJ. He's just learned how effective he can be driving for layups and getting the hoop or the FTs and as I tried to imply, should make that a permanent part of his repertoire.
Look, forget % ... JB made 5-20 and JT 8-16. Bottom line is he had just 3 more hoops the entire night. They both shot poorly IMO but I applauded JT for the FTs that made up for any shortcomings (TOVs/PFs/etc). Does that make him a superstar? I don't think so but if he can do that anytime he's having a poor jump-shooting night and find ways to help his team win with rebounding, assists, FTs, defense then he'd be the next Bird or Pierce. But I'm sorry, he's not there yet though he's climbing the ladder fast and if he can take what he did is this game and apply it that will bring him another rung closer to the top.
He's not inconsistent. In round 1 he only had 1 bad game out of 4 games. Against the Bucks, he had 2 bad games out of 7 games. And in this series, he's only had 1 bad game so far. The Celts have played 15 playoff games so far. So if Tatum has 4 bad games out of 15, that's not inconsistent. Even superstars are allowed to have a few bad games during a playoff run. NBA coaches, players, analysts, and the media say Jayson Tatum is a superstar. Even Celtic fans all over the world are unanimous about Jayson Tatum being a superstar. The question is where does Jayson Tatum rank among the current NBA superstars today?
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Post by kyceltic on May 24, 2022 18:29:29 GMT -5
Heat fans starting to get on my nerves, saying Sweet Pea injured Baby face Butler on purpose!!
He fouled Butler intentionally to prevent an easy score ... yes. But did he intent to injure him? Ridiculous!!!
Remind them how Rondo was pulled to the floor by Wade ... that too was intentional. Did he intend to hurt Rondo? Probably not but it was a much dirtier play than what PP did.
Announcer says Rondos leg caused the fall but Wade pulled him down by his right arm and to brace the fall Rondo injured his left arm. Where was the F1 or "T" for that? If Wade had been t'd up twice for his aggressive nonsense he would have been tossed but instead he was protected. That game is why I have never liked Wade and never will acknowledge is greatness. He'll always be a dirty player to me!
I've hated Wade ever since!
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Post by kyceltic on May 24, 2022 19:54:55 GMT -5
Tatum first team all NBA!
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Post by fierce on May 24, 2022 20:01:54 GMT -5
Tatum first team all NBA! Wow! Milwaukee Bucks forward Giannis Antetokounmpo, Dallas Mavericks guard Luka Dončić, Denver Nuggets center Nikola Jokić, Phoenix Suns guard Devin Booker and Boston Celtics forward Jayson Tatum have been selected to the 2021-22 Kia All-NBA First Team, the NBA announced today. 21 mins ago – via NBA.com
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Post by fierce on May 24, 2022 20:05:14 GMT -5
If that's not a superstar I don't know what is.
KG was the last Celtic to be 1st team.
Even Paul Pierce never made the 1st team.
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Post by fierce on May 24, 2022 20:10:09 GMT -5
Looks like Jayson Tatum's superstar status is confirmed!
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Post by elvissurfs on May 24, 2022 21:28:24 GMT -5
I feel like rambling.In defense of Tatum some feeling his performance is erratic & he should star every game, I recall Kobe shooting 6 for 24 (25%) in 2010 finals but also 11 for 15 in foul shots & he was MVP. We did not play a terrific offensive game and were fortunate they were worse. But, it was our defense that truly won the game. The disparity in foul shots really helped as being tired they grabbed a lot as we drove to the basket. Neither team dominated shooting % or 3s but in the paint we were 38 pts to 28 and got 60 rebs to 39...+21 possessions. Sorry to bring up old wounds but in 2010 finals to the Lakers they got 25 of 37 fouls shots to 15 of 17 for us and last night we got 32 of 38 and they only 8 of 14 so we were + 24 pts in foul shots. Just Tatum was 14-16 in foul shots, more than their whole team. Got to continue to drive to the basket and, of course, hope our 3s are falling. Don’t know Herro’s status but I hope he’s out and we get Marcus back & Williams too might not play. But even with Herro out, Robinson is dangerous shooting in limited time 5-11 almost 50% but 4 for 8 on 3s. He helped cut our 25 pt lead down to 15 in the 4th Qtr. Ya know, we need points from Tatum...can’t now have a down game and Brown too...but Horford, White & Prichard not scoring a lot were instrumental in our victory. Again, I’m reminded of Kobe, GOD rest his soul, where in the 2010 finals he only shot 6 for 24 or 25% ( as I said he was MVP and would have been a goat had they lost) but and this is what Tatum & Brown need to do, get fouled as Kobe got 11 for 15 foul shots. Great 'rambling'...and go Celtics!...
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Post by elvissurfs on May 24, 2022 21:36:25 GMT -5
Yes they bounce back but Superstars aren't as inconsistent with as many bad games as good, especially at playoff time. Fierce, he's a great talent and an All-Star. He just isn't a "Superstar" yet ... stop pushing the issue and let Tatum grow into it on his own. Trying to convince poster/readers here isn't going to excelerate the process. Im w Fierce on this one. Top 5 player in NBA (already). I could argue top 1. Household name. Superstar. We're in the ECF and he's by far our most well known player. Hes a superstar among superstars. Dude!...off the charts!... I like it...coming from Drewski this is big!...
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Post by cole on May 24, 2022 22:17:24 GMT -5
At least the White conversation had some merit...and he delivered just like his job description says. But..the whole tatum superstar is overstated already. Turn the page. There is a game 5 that is more important than flooding this board with tatum superstar. Thanks. Last night was an odd game, an ugly game. To me, DWhite had a good first quarter. Outside of that, he didn't move the needle and his offense was, again, mediocre. I want to see him hit 3 perimeter shots in a game! He scored our first 7 points in the first 1:59 of the game. Of the remaining 39 minutes that he played, he went 1 - 11 from the field and 0 - 7 from 3-point range. Again, he was left wide open on several occasions, DURING CELTICS RUNS, and he clanked the shots. You could hear the wind come out of the crowd. His last FG made was at 2:35 remaining in the 1st quarter. He didn't make a basket after the 1st quarter. He got 6 assists early highlighted by a very nice alley oop to Tatum for the dunk but also a panicked pass to Tatum who was under the basket and made an amazing shot while torquing his body for a layin (White got that assist but it was all Tatum). White panicked and simply got rid of the ball to Tatum and ended up getting an assist. He also committed three ugly turnovers too. And watching the playback, he got 8 defensive rebounds of shots that literally, ALL EIGHT, fell right to him for easy rebounds. When we're in Miami in a tight, tough game (or against GSW), WE WILL NEED DWhite's offense. When MIA goes back to double and triple teaming Tatum, DWhite is going to have to make shots and, I'm sorry, yesterday showed ME that he just isn't capable of doing that. I focus on DWhite because HE'S ALWAYS THE GUY LEFT WIDE OPEN. They don't leave PP open. They leave DWhite open. And I appreciate PP's defense. He works hard and isn't afraid to mix it up with anybody. Aint no one person STOPPING nobody, they can only work hard to make it harder for the offense. I'll take that from PP if he continues providing consistent offense off the bench. PP is our most productive offensive contributor off the bench, by far. Nobody is hating on DWhite. I'm looking at the WHOLE and not just a very small part. I love it when guards are getting rebounds because the bigs are holding their blocks. Great sign. I would shadow white on Herro all game. Wish White could take one dribble and hit a 15 footer.
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Post by Cabutan on May 24, 2022 23:08:50 GMT -5
At least the White conversation had some merit...and he delivered just like his job description says. But..the whole tatum superstar is overstated already. Turn the page. There is a game 5 that is more important than flooding this board with tatum superstar. Thanks. Last night was an odd game, an ugly game. To me, DWhite had a good first quarter. Outside of that, he didn't move the needle and his offense was, again, mediocre. I want to see him hit 3 perimeter shots in a game! He scored our first 7 points in the first 1:59 of the game. Of the remaining 39 minutes that he played, he went 1 - 11 from the field and 0 - 7 from 3-point range. Again, he was left wide open on several occasions, DURING CELTICS RUNS, and he clanked the shots. You could hear the wind come out of the crowd. His last FG made was at 2:35 remaining in the 1st quarter. He didn't make a basket after the 1st quarter. He got 6 assists early highlighted by a very nice alley oop to Tatum for the dunk but also a panicked pass to Tatum who was under the basket and made an amazing shot while torquing his body for a layin (White got that assist but it was all Tatum). White panicked and simply got rid of the ball to Tatum and ended up getting an assist. He also committed three ugly turnovers too. And watching the playback, he got 8 defensive rebounds of shots that literally, ALL EIGHT, fell right to him for easy rebounds. When we're in Miami in a tight, tough game (or against GSW), WE WILL NEED DWhite's offense. When MIA goes back to double and triple teaming Tatum, DWhite is going to have to make shots and, I'm sorry, yesterday showed ME that he just isn't capable of doing that. I focus on DWhite because HE'S ALWAYS THE GUY LEFT WIDE OPEN. They don't leave PP open. They leave DWhite open. And I appreciate PP's defense. He works hard and isn't afraid to mix it up with anybody. Aint no one person STOPPING nobody, they can only work hard to make it harder for the offense. I'll take that from PP if he continues providing consistent offense off the bench. PP is our most productive offensive contributor off the bench, by far. Nobody is hating on DWhite. I'm looking at the WHOLE and not just a very small part. Lets face it, he does not have as good shooting as the guy we traded him for. I did enjoy watching his defensive intensity though. He almost played box and 1 with every guy he guarded. Witnessed that on PP as well by the way. As for White shooting, I always feel guys can pick up that up if they do their homework (a la Grant Williams).. white might have not been steady for 4 quarters but he surely ignited us in that first quarter. I wish we could do it again tomorrow. No reason why not!!
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Post by Cabutan on May 24, 2022 23:10:38 GMT -5
Looks like Jayson Tatum's superstar status is confirmed! haaaa . Stamp it. Dont have to keep saying it fierce. I think everyone read you
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