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Post by kyceltic on May 24, 2022 10:29:03 GMT -5
Looks like we can win if Brown has a bad game, I'd say 5 for 20, and 1 for 6 on 3's qualifies as a stinker! On the other hand our only superstar Tatum has to have a good to great game or we lose! Even though he's double and tripe teamed at times, he still must find a way to score, or hit the open man! My advice to him would be, look for Pritchard and your assist numbers will go up! Rwill proved again why he is the best defensive player in the league, and easily the 3rd best player on our team! We'll need more than 3 players Tatum, RWill and Pritchard playing good to win in Miami!!
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Post by fierce on May 24, 2022 10:30:29 GMT -5
Yes they bounce back but Superstars aren't as inconsistent with as many bad games as good, especially at playoff time. Fierce, he's a great talent and an All-Star. He just isn't a "Superstar" yet ... stop pushing the issue and let Tatum grow into it on his own. Trying to convince poster/readers here isn't going to excelerate the process. I'm not trying to convince anybody here that Jayson Tatum is a superstar. In fact, drewski is even raising the bar by saying that Tatum is not only a superstar, according to drewski, Jayson Tatum is "The Superstar". Here: bleacherreport.com/articles/2955627-jayson-tatums-superstar-leap-is-making-the-boston-celtics-a-superteamJayson Tatum's Superstar Leap Is Making the Boston Celtics a Superteam
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Post by kyceltic on May 24, 2022 10:31:02 GMT -5
I do not mean to be critical of your post in any way. But just yesterday some on here were calling Ime a moron for not developing his player. I said I like Nesmith, and he was given every opportunity in the world to crack the rotation. I was disagreed with, vehemently. My post was merely pointing out that based on yesterday, what happened was accurate. I actually mentioned the Microwave, Jamal Crawford and Lou Williams. My point being, between Nesmith, PP, Grant and White, not one of them is a Microwave capable of giving us huge points every game. My post was largely sarcastic based on yesterday's back and forth. NO, I don't think Nesmith has to score in the ECF. The question is, should he even PLAY in the ECF? I like the kid, and wish him the best, but as of today, no, he should be 10th man, getting minutes whenever he can. Wouldn't it be great if he was our Oladipo next year? You will not be wrong about Nesmith. The kid has similar physical attributes to Giannis, but he's 5 inches shorter than Giannis. What I mean is it's just a matter of time before Nesmith's body becomes similar to that of Giannis. Nesmith will become a legit NBA player in the near future. Or out of the league!!
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Post by Admin on May 24, 2022 10:33:16 GMT -5
After having 40 on Saturday you're surprised by Brown's "stinker?" Sans 16 FTs, Brown's output wasn't much different than Tatum's on this night:
5-20 / 1-6
Tatum:
8-16 / 1-7
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Post by fierce on May 24, 2022 10:35:07 GMT -5
Against the Nets, Tatum had 1 bad game out of 4 games.
In the semis, against the Bucks, 2 bad games out of 7.
And in this series, only 1 bad game so far.
Jayson Tatum is not inconsistent because if it's true Tatum is inconsistent, the Bucks would've eliminated the Celts because it's very clear every time Tatum has a bad game, the Celts lose.
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 24, 2022 10:36:16 GMT -5
Looks like we can win if Brown has a bad game, I'd say 5 for 20, and 1 for 6 on 3's qualifies as a stinker! On the other hand our only superstar Tatum has to have a good to great game or we lose! Even though he's double and tripe teamed at times, he still must find a way to score, or hit the open man! My advice to him would be, look for Pritchard and your assist numbers will go up! Rwill proved again why he is the best defensive player in the league, and easily the 3rd best player on our team! We'll need more than 3 players Tatum, RWill and Pritchard playing good to win in Miami!! I thought Horford was great last night!
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Post by fierce on May 24, 2022 10:37:46 GMT -5
After having 40 on Saturday you're surprised by Brown's "stinker?" Sans 16 FTs, Brown's output wasn't much different than Tatum's on this night: 5-20 / 1-6 Tatum: 8-16 / 1-7 That's not a fair comparison because you manipulated the stats by downplaying the significance of the FTs JT made and attempted. In the 1st half, when JB was messing up, Ime had to pull JB out of the game. That's where Tatum and the Celts pulled away and put the game out of reach. Also, 5-20 is 25% and 8-16 is 50%. That's a huge difference!
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 24, 2022 10:38:19 GMT -5
Let's not equate a bad shooting night with a bad scoring night. I liked that Tatum did what he had to do last night to help his team win. I think the shoulder must be bothering him a little, hence the two airballs. We got off to a great start, and, like I said with Butler, it was WHEN he scored his points that was important, not how many. That's what a maturing player does.
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Post by fierce on May 24, 2022 10:42:18 GMT -5
Let's not equate a bad shooting night with a bad scoring night. I liked that Tatum did what he had to do last night to help his team win. I think the shoulder must be bothering him a little, hence the two airballs. We got off to a great start, and, like I said with Butler, it was WHEN he scored his points that was important, not how many. That's what a maturing player does. Bingo! I don't think the Admin can make a fair assessment on Jayson Tatum because until now he still doesn't recognize Jayson Tatum as an NBA superstar. Guys like Nesmith or Grant Williams don't get votes for the MVP. Tatum was an MVP candidate. Only superstars become MVP candidates.
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 24, 2022 10:46:26 GMT -5
Let's not equate a bad shooting night with a bad scoring night. I liked that Tatum did what he had to do last night to help his team win. I think the shoulder must be bothering him a little, hence the two airballs. We got off to a great start, and, like I said with Butler, it was WHEN he scored his points that was important, not how many. That's what a maturing player does. Bingo! I don't think the Admin can make a fair assessment on Jayson Tatum because until now he still doesn't recognize Jayson Tatum as an NBA superstar. Guys like Nesmith or Grant Williams don't get votes for the MVP. Tatum was an MVP candidate. Only superstars become MVP candidates. I'm Switzerland here. Not taking any sides. He wasn't great, but he was good enough when he needed to be. And we won, that's the bottom line.
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Post by kyceltic on May 24, 2022 10:51:08 GMT -5
Looks like we can win if Brown has a bad game, I'd say 5 for 20, and 1 for 6 on 3's qualifies as a stinker! On the other hand our only superstar Tatum has to have a good to great game or we lose! Even though he's double and tripe teamed at times, he still must find a way to score, or hit the open man! My advice to him would be, look for Pritchard and your assist numbers will go up! Rwill proved again why he is the best defensive player in the league, and easily the 3rd best player on our team! We'll need more than 3 players Tatum, RWill and Pritchard playing good to win in Miami!! I thought Horford was great last night! Actually, you're right, he was!
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Post by fierce on May 24, 2022 10:52:22 GMT -5
Bingo! I don't think the Admin can make a fair assessment on Jayson Tatum because until now he still doesn't recognize Jayson Tatum as an NBA superstar. Guys like Nesmith or Grant Williams don't get votes for the MVP. Tatum was an MVP candidate. Only superstars become MVP candidates. I'm Switzerland here. Not taking any sides. He wasn't great, but he was good enough when he needed to be. And we won, that's the bottom line. True! That's why equating 5-20 and 8-16 is not a fair assessment. And Tatum could've scored more if it was a close game.
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Post by kyceltic on May 24, 2022 10:56:19 GMT -5
If Jason Tatum is not a superstar, which superstar would you trade him for?? Which superstar out there would make our team better??
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Post by fierce on May 24, 2022 10:56:47 GMT -5
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Post by fierce on May 24, 2022 10:58:19 GMT -5
If Jason Tatum is not a superstar, which superstar would you trade him for?? Which superstar out there would make our team better?? Go back a few months and you'll see multiple posts here that says they would trade Tatum and it's not even for a superstar! Ugh!
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Post by kyceltic on May 24, 2022 11:06:22 GMT -5
Why is it so hard to pass it to Pritchard. Most of the times he is alone why indeed!! Do they not know that he is easily the best shooter on the team? Udoka should let them know, when Pritchard is open, get him the ball!
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Post by cole on May 24, 2022 11:06:39 GMT -5
I do think his neck must be bad. They're saying shoulder but the defender ran his chest into Jay's head and gigged his neck. Looked bad. Its a nerve injury, so its all connected. I pinched a nerve in my neck few years back and the pain went all the way down my arm to even my finger tips. Looked nasty to me. I was scared for a minute.
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 24, 2022 11:06:44 GMT -5
If Jason Tatum is not a superstar, which superstar would you trade him for?? Which superstar out there would make our team better?? Go back a few months and you'll see multiple posts here that says they would trade Tatum and it's not even for a superstar! Ugh! A few months ago he was not playing like one. He is now. He is perfect for our team, and I wouldn't trade him for anyone. He does need to perform in the next few games to get us to the Finals, however. For, even if he is a superstar, to be one of the best means you're one of the best even when the defense is geared to stop you. If he puts up a stinker in Game 7 and we lose, I'll be all over his case. Just get me to the Finals, Jayson, and I'll sing your praises.
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 24, 2022 11:09:09 GMT -5
Why is it so hard to pass it to Pritchard. Most of the times he is alone why indeed!! Do they not know that he is easily the best shooter on the team? Udoka should let them know, when Pritchard is open, get him the ball! When he's WIDE open, he's great. When he's covered, he's average. I think he still needs to work on lift, holding the ball higher, and a quicker release. But, he is a great shooter, no doubt.
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Post by cole on May 24, 2022 11:09:21 GMT -5
If Jason Tatum is not a superstar, which superstar would you trade him for?? Which superstar out there would make our team better?? The old fliparooski
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Post by fierce on May 24, 2022 11:11:11 GMT -5
Tatum acts like a superstar.
Quacks like a superstar too!
After Game 3, he said he played horribly so he's going to play better in Game 4.
Tatum delivered on what he said.
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Post by Cabutan on May 24, 2022 11:22:35 GMT -5
Why is it so hard to pass it to Pritchard. Most of the times he is alone why indeed!! Do they not know that he is easily the best shooter on the team? Udoka should let them know, when Pritchard is open, get him the ball! hmm. I think they have a problem acknowledging that he is the best shooter. He could give us easily 24 any given night where the attention is on the others
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 24, 2022 11:24:33 GMT -5
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Post by Cabutan on May 24, 2022 11:25:20 GMT -5
At least the White conversation had some merit...and he delivered just like his job description says. But..the whole tatum superstar is overstated already. Turn the page. There is a game 5 that is more important than flooding this board with tatum superstar. Thanks.
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Post by sfbosfan on May 24, 2022 11:27:38 GMT -5
I feel like rambling.In defense of Tatum some feeling his performance is erratic & he should star every game, I recall Kobe shooting 6 for 24 (25%) in 2010 finals but also 11 for 15 in foul shots & he was MVP. We did not play a terrific offensive game and were fortunate they were worse. But, it was our defense that truly won the game. The disparity in foul shots really helped as being tired they grabbed a lot as we drove to the basket. Neither team dominated shooting % or 3s but in the paint we were 38 pts to 28 and got 60 rebs to 39...+21 possessions. Sorry to bring up old wounds but in 2010 finals to the Lakers they got 25 of 37 fouls shots to 15 of 17 for us and last night we got 32 of 38 and they only 8 of 14 so we were + 24 pts in foul shots. Just Tatum was 14-16 in foul shots, more than their whole team. Got to continue to drive to the basket and, of course, hope our 3s are falling. Don’t know Herro’s status but I hope he’s out and we get Marcus back & Williams too might not play. But even with Herro out, Robinson is dangerous shooting in limited time 5-11 almost 50% but 4 for 8 on 3s. He helped cut our 25 pt lead down to 15 in the 4th Qtr.
Ya know, we need points from Tatum...can’t now have a down game and Brown too...but Horford, White & Prichard not scoring a lot were instrumental in our victory. Again, I’m reminded of Kobe, GOD rest his soul, where in the 2010 finals he only shot 6 for 24 or 25% ( as I said he was MVP and would have been a goat had they lost) but and this is what Tatum & Brown need to do, get fouled as Kobe got 11 for 15 foul shots.
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