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Post by Cabutan on Apr 22, 2018 17:15:26 GMT -5
as you can see, it aint that amazing. You don't think it's ridiculous to consider trading away Kyrie because we have Rozier? I don't think a frantic comeback after being down by 25 should give anyone reason to believe anything otherwise. And Rozier had an overall mediocre game, his second in a row. He's a capable backup right now and will eventually develop into a very fine NBA PG but that time aint now. its ok. We were in their house. Winning a playoff game is hard by itself, being away is even harder.
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 22, 2018 17:18:32 GMT -5
you gave up too quick on these guys. They surely put on a fight. Did I miss something? Did we come back and win? Even with the game on the line, we made questionable mistakes by the young guys, defensive lapses, and the vet could not finish the dunk for the "and one". Making a frantic comeback after being down by as many as we were down can only be described as a "moral victory". Not much more. We have to play 48 minutes, not 24, for a real victory. I really believe the only way this Celtics team beats the Bucks is if they play up to their abilities for 48 minutes. you made it sound as if the gap was huge between these two teams. The way i see it, we made adjustments but that was not enough. Thon shouldn't even be making shots ditto with the guards. Now remember we are with 11 bodies. Is not about a moral victory but we cant say the bucks are far ahead from us specially considering how young the C's are.
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Post by petey62 on Apr 22, 2018 18:08:03 GMT -5
That's why I said "this Celtics team". And the Buck are a much better team than the Celtics team that's playing now. Having Smart back will close that gap.
Bottom line is, they have superstars NOW. They have all NBA players out there NOW. They have solid, veteran, more consistent players now.
We're young and talented but we're not developed. We're not built for this yet. We don't have All NBA level players out there now and our veteran players are too inconsistent or not aggressive enough.
This team that the Celtics have now would be a borderline playoff team. Again, with everyone playing well above their heads, we can win a couple games. The problem is we cannot be expected to play at that level with much consistency (games one and two levels).
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Post by kyceltic on Apr 22, 2018 18:25:45 GMT -5
Problem with this loss is rather than being able to close out this series early 4-1 in Boston we probably go 7 games now and get to see Smart in the 7th. i read he might play for game 6 Hope so, we need his physicality!!
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Post by cole on Apr 22, 2018 18:56:53 GMT -5
We need some more creative playmaking in the worst way.
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 22, 2018 18:57:49 GMT -5
That's why I said "this Celtics team". And the Buck are a much better team than the Celtics team that's playing now. Having Smart back will close that gap. Bottom line is, they have superstars NOW. They have all NBA players out there NOW. They have solid, veteran, more consistent players now. We're young and talented but we're not developed. We're not built for this yet. We don't have All NBA level players out there now and our veteran players are too inconsistent or not aggressive enough. This team that the Celtics have now would be a borderline playoff team. Again, with everyone playing well above their heads, we can win a couple games. The problem is we cannot be expected to play at that level with much consistency (games one and two levels). I feel that Larkin is not providing much and I hate the fact that we always have to look for really tiny PG's. Just finished watching the replay and Rozier played ok but couldnt hit shots. Then Morris was bad very bad. Also we really started playing our style of basketball @ the 3 minute mark of the third quarter. My personal fav keeping our tempo is Smart. Then IMO Smart is the heart and soul of this team because we rely on defense and we struggle when we dont have it going. Anyways going back to this game, I hope we send a message to that clown of Maker and delladedova in the next game.
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Post by petey62 on Apr 22, 2018 19:23:56 GMT -5
That's why I said "this Celtics team". And the Buck are a much better team than the Celtics team that's playing now. Having Smart back will close that gap. Bottom line is, they have superstars NOW. They have all NBA players out there NOW. They have solid, veteran, more consistent players now. We're young and talented but we're not developed. We're not built for this yet. We don't have All NBA level players out there now and our veteran players are too inconsistent or not aggressive enough. This team that the Celtics have now would be a borderline playoff team. Again, with everyone playing well above their heads, we can win a couple games. The problem is we cannot be expected to play at that level with much consistency (games one and two levels). I feel that Larkin is not providing much and I hate the fact that we always have to look for really tiny PG's. Just finished watching the replay and Rozier played ok but couldnt hit shots. Then Morris was bad very bad. Also we really started playing our style of basketball @ the 3 minute mark of the third quarter. My personal fav keeping our tempo is Smart. Then IMO Smart is the heart and soul of this team because we rely on defense and we struggle when we dont have it going. Anyways going back to this game, I hope we send a message to that clown of Maker and delladedova in the next game. This is what I just don't understand. We start to play Celtics basketball so late in the game. And honestly, to me, it's nothing the Bucks are doing/not doing. It's all on the Celtics. I just want a win on Tuesday.
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Post by cole on Apr 22, 2018 20:29:13 GMT -5
It strikes me that the bucks are letting us penetrate to block is at the rim. It reminds me of playing ping pong against a defender who wants you to hit. It's hard to overcome what seems right.
Their guys are skinny so it doesn't look like they're fouling, but they're slapping us all over with "hot hands."
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Post by elvissurfs on Apr 22, 2018 21:01:53 GMT -5
Did I miss something? Did we come back and win? Even with the game on the line, we made questionable mistakes by the young guys, defensive lapses, and the vet could not finish the dunk for the "and one". Making a frantic comeback after being down by as many as we were down can only be described as a "moral victory". Not much more. We have to play 48 minutes, not 24, for a real victory. I really believe the only way this Celtics team beats the Bucks is if they play up to their abilities for 48 minutes. you made it sound as if the gap was huge between these two teams. The way i see it, we made adjustments but that was not enough. Thon shouldn't even be making shots ditto with the guards. Now remember we are with 11 bodies. Is not about a moral victory but we cant say the bucks are far ahead from us specially considering how young the C's are. Are you saying we don't have 12 guys?...I just don't understand that, and thought I was wrong...what the heck?!?!?
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 23, 2018 0:08:56 GMT -5
you made it sound as if the gap was huge between these two teams. The way i see it, we made adjustments but that was not enough. Thon shouldn't even be making shots ditto with the guards. Now remember we are with 11 bodies. Is not about a moral victory but we cant say the bucks are far ahead from us specially considering how young the C's are. Are you saying we don't have 12 guys?...I just don't understand that, and thought I was wrong...what the heck?!?!? 12? Right now dont we have 11? Potato potatoe.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 23, 2018 9:38:04 GMT -5
Smart is #12 right now.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 23, 2018 9:39:58 GMT -5
We need more out of Monroe. Larkin, against this team, is just too small. I like him, but really hope Smart can get back to cover Bledsoe, Snell and Brogdan. He could also help out on Parker, by knocking him on his ass a few times. Larkin can't do that.
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Post by puddin on Apr 23, 2018 9:44:45 GMT -5
From the Globe:
Particularly funny comments by Mook.
Pud
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MILWAUKEE — Celtics guard Marcus Smart said he will have his surgically repaired right thumb evaluated by a doctor in New York on Tuesday, and that he could then be cleared for a return to game action. Smart said that if he is cleared, he believes he will able to play in Game 6 against the Bucks on Thursday.
“Right now that’s the plan,” Smart said Sunday, before the Celtics’ 104-102 loss in Game 4 of their opening-round series. “We’re still on the same track. I’ve been doing everything but contact, so once I get the [go-ahead] and start doing contact, I’m ready for game action.”
The Celtics, of course, would rather have closed out the Bucks before a Game 6. But getting perhaps their top defender back would be a boon. For his part, Smart believes he is ready. When he returns, he will likely have a small, nonintrusive brace or sleeve protecting the thumb.
“I think the thumb, the surgery did its job,” he said. “Thumb is holding up well. I feel ready. I feel strong enough to get back out there. I’m just waiting on the OK.”
Smart tore a tendon in his right thumb when he was chasing a loose ball during the Celtics’ March 11 game against the Pacers. He underwent surgery a few days later and the Celtics said he was expected to be sidelined for 6-8 weeks.
Coach Brad Stevens said on Saturday that Smart has been taking part in most drills at practices but had yet to complete any live game-action scrimmages. But the belief is that once he is cleared to do so, he will not need extra time to work back into game shape.
“He’s shooting the ball,” Stevens said. “He’s doing everything in a workout that you can do. It’s just a matter of being cleared for live play.”
Smart said it has been difficult to watch his teammates push on in the playoffs without him.
“It’s the playoffs,” he said, “so any game around this time is going to get you antsy, especially when you come into an atmosphere like this and the outcome that happened [Friday] night wasn’t up to par to what we expect.”
Morris is frustrated
Forward Marcus Morris received a technical foul in the Celtics’ Game 3 loss, and afterward he criticized the officials for targeting him with their whistles. Morris was fined $15,000 for those comments.
With 8:25 left in Sunday’s Game 4, Morris and Bucks forward Khris Middletonwere whistled for double technical fouls. After the game, Morris was confounded once again.
“I play hard, man,” Morris said. “I don’t know no other way to play. It’s not like I’m overly talking to the referees or making infractions with the referees. It’s a game between men and we got out there and it gets chippy. We bump a little bit. It’s not over the top, but, like, every game I have to get a technical foul, you know what I mean? I’m not engaging into anything, I’m not going at the referees, I’m not talking crazy to him. For me, it’s just getting old. Fining me, teching me, it’s getting old. It’s laughable at this point.”
Matters of time
The Celtics’ two games in Milwaukee had unique starting times, leading to an unusual setup. Friday’s Game 3 began at 8:30 p.m. Central time, and Sunday’s Game 4 was a rare noon start.
“It’s interesting when you have these quick turnarounds,” Bucks interim coach Joe Pruntysaid. “There used to be the back-to-back deal, the Saturday/Sunday. I remember doing that one year when I was in San Antonio playing the Lakers. The bottom line is everybody has to be ready regardless of how the previous game goes, because it’s coming.”
Tuesday’s Game 5 at TD Garden starts at 7 p.m.
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2018 10:00:18 GMT -5
Rozier/Larkin Brown/Smart(out) Tatum/Morris/Nader Horford/Ojeleye/Yabusele Baynes/Monroe
Disabled: Irving Hayward Theis
Ineligible: Allen Bird
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Post by kyceltic on Apr 23, 2018 10:19:30 GMT -5
Gonna be a lot of pressure on Tatum and Brown in game 5! I think they'll come up big!!
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2018 12:11:55 GMT -5
Problem with this loss is rather than being able to close out this series early 4-1 in Boston we probably go 7 games now and get to see Smart in the 7th. it was predestined, as is the okc game, to go 7. this needs to be a big freak marketing campaign whether they win or lose. I wouldn't be shocked to see them get the calls in boston 7. Milwaukee needs something good to happen and to the nba we are fat cats with plenty of ability to sell tickets next year with a championship team. And this is fantastic experience for the J's. Did we ever get a look at that brown "strip?"Here's a study of that play: The sequence that defined Game 4 of Celtics vs. BucksBy: Greg Cassoli The Milwaukee Bucks were a hair better than the Boston Celtics in the final minutes of their Game 4 victory on Sunday. It made all the difference.The Boston Celtics didn’t play a great game in their 102-104 loss to the Milwaukee Bucks on Sunday, but they worked hard enough to keep things close. Much will be made of the Celtics’ inability to convert on the game’s final possession, but the sequence that truly swung the contest in Milwaukee’s favor came a few moments prior. It started with an excellent defensive effort from Semi Ojeleye. Boston’s powerful rookie wing cut off a driving Giannis Antetokounpmo, getting into his chest and forcing a missed layup. ssl.cdn.turner.com/nba/big/nba/wsc/2018/04/22/league_a5253826-2966-5a32-5d81-27bb327c1f63.nba_2330866_1280x720_3500.mp4?_=1The ball popped free to Al Horford who handed it off to Terry Rozier to start the break. Rozier hit the accelerator and fired the ball ahead to Jaylen Brown. Boston’s precocious wing, who finished the night with 34 points, made his way aggressively toward the hoop, only to be stripped by Khris Middleton. ssl.cdn.turner.com/nba/big/nba/wsc/2018/04/22/league_32fdd896-aa79-7847-e26b-59c9e44ae85a.nba_2330865_1280x720_3500.mp4?_=2
Milwaukee pushed the ball against a suddenly scrambled Boston defense. Their up tempo attack turned into a wide open three-point look for Malcolm Brogdon in the corner. He drained the shot, putting his team up two with just over 30 seconds remaining and laying the foundation for its victory. ssl.cdn.turner.com/nba/big/nba/wsc/2018/04/22/league_3c3e4794-1636-9576-7fd8-3509c73f08be.nba_2330869_1920x1080_5904.mp4?_=3The Celtics didn’t do anything wrong in the sequence. There may be an argument to be made for the idea that Brown should have slowed the pace of the game instead of attacking the hoop, but if his drive had resulted in a bucket then Boston likely would have walked away with a win.Middleton made a truly phenomenal defensive play. Had he been just a fraction of a second off in his play on the ball he would have sent Brown to the foul line. He didn’t and it proved to be the difference in the game. Such is the nature of things in the NBA. Those who can operate most effectively within an extremely thin margin of error tend to come out on top. Milwaukee did so slightly more effectively than Boston on Sunday. The Celtics will look to make a few more winning plays of their own in Game 5. celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/23/film-study-the-transition-sequence-that-defined-game-4-of-boston-celtics-vs-milwaukee-bucks/
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2018 12:19:04 GMT -5
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Post by cole on Apr 23, 2018 13:11:20 GMT -5
wow
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Post by petey62 on Apr 23, 2018 14:17:09 GMT -5
Admin, I disagree with the statement that the Celtics did not do anything wrong. On the strip of Jaylen sequence, there is no reason for him to be that aggressive at that point. Honestly, I blame Rozier. He's the PG and he's gotta make a better decision there to just hold up and use clock. We have the lead by one point with a little more than 40 seconds left in the game. Other than a clear breakaway dunk, we need to pull that thing out, set up our offense, take the clock down and execute the best play CBS has in his playbook. To me, I'll put house money on a CBS play call to get a basket or trip to the FT line to get the lead to 3 points. There is no way you DON'T milk the clock and set up for a play.
Things were just too frenzied at that point. It was a one on two break with Bledsoe also trailing and measuring Brown had he gone up with it (he ended up with the ball on the strip). And because of that, we failed to transition back on defense to guard Brogdan on his 3-pointer.
Everything about that sequence goes against conventional wisdom at that juncture in the game. You don't want to rush the offense with lead and possession. When you have lead and possession and 40 seconds on the clock, it's about execution at that point, which I'll wager on CBS making the right call FTW (for the win).
Instead, bad decision, weak (not strong) possession, bad transition defense and we give up the lead just like that.
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Post by petey62 on Apr 23, 2018 14:23:50 GMT -5
The Celtics had 4 players on our end from foul line to Horford being out of bounds under the basket. The Bucks had two players back although two others had hustled back to be in a great position. It ended up being a one on four break. Bad, bad decision. I think maybe 3 Celtics ever passed half court on that sequence.
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Post by puddin on Apr 23, 2018 14:48:37 GMT -5
Petey is right as rain.
Cs got too excited with the lead and the ball and 40 seconds left.
Hell I got too excited too.
Using clock and executing is the name of the game at that point... and that's what hopefully the Celtic players learned from this loss.
Its all good from a PO learning experience.
We learn from our mistakes... rarely from our successes.
Human nature!!!
Now on to Beantown ... a little bit wiser hopefully.
Pud
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2018 15:34:27 GMT -5
Admin, I disagree with the statement that the Celtics did not do anything wrong. On the strip of Jaylen sequence, there is no reason for him to be that aggressive at that point. Honestly, I blame Rozier. He's the PG and he's gotta make a better decision there to just hold up and use clock. We have the lead by one point with a little more than 40 seconds left in the game. Other than a clear breakaway dunk, we need to pull that thing out, set up our offense, take the clock down and execute the best play CBS has in his playbook. To me, I'll put house money on a CBS play call to get a basket or trip to the FT line to get the lead to 3 points. There is no way you DON'T milk the clock and set up for a play. Things were just too frenzied at that point. It was a one on two break with Bledsoe also trailing and measuring Brown had he gone up with it (he ended up with the ball on the strip). And because of that, we failed to transition back on defense to guard Brogdan on his 3-pointer. Everything about that sequence goes against conventional wisdom at that juncture in the game. You don't want to rush the offense with lead and possession. When you have lead and possession and 40 seconds on the clock, it's about execution at that point, which I'll wager on CBS making the right call FTW (for the win). Instead, bad decision, weak (not strong) possession, bad transition defense and we give up the lead just like that. Petey, some (even I) may agree with you but CBS himself suported the play in his presser unless you think he was lying to protect his players. He prefers to stay aggressive and attack with a 1 pt lead in that situation rather than burn clock and let defenses prepare for a last second play. Besides, he said with 30-40 seconds there was still time to be beaten had they used the clock ... check the video below. He aswers that very question after addressing the final shot.
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Post by kyceltic on Apr 23, 2018 16:26:39 GMT -5
Smart listed as questionable for game 5!! I never thought I would be so happy, hearing this news!!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 23, 2018 17:19:46 GMT -5
Good grief:
Gary Washburn: Two-minute report is loaded today for #Celtics-#Bucks, including ruling Khris Middleton fouled Jaylen Brown on his runout with 40 seconds left, Antetokounmpo charged into Ojeleye with 47.9 left and Tatum fouled Antetohounmpo with 1:14 left. – via Twitter GwashburnGlobe
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2018 18:13:53 GMT -5
Good grief: Gary Washburn: Two-minute report is loaded today for #Celtics-#Bucks, including ruling Khris Middleton fouled Jaylen Brown on his runout with 40 seconds left, Antetokounmpo charged into Ojeleye with 47.9 left and Tatum fouled Antetohounmpo with 1:14 left. – via Twitter GwashburnGlobe well that makes me feel much better! and I thought the refs were biased on behalf of Adam Silver/NBA ... Woo, what a relief.
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