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Post by rkarp1 on Apr 11, 2024 5:24:34 GMT -5
4yrs/$135mm
nice to see but count me as surprised
love the player, especially on this current team. but I do not see Jrue's game aging well. years 3 and 4 as he loses a step or two, will he be even a good defender, never mind very good? he shot very well this season, but seemingly an outlier?
I would have thought Brad would be looking for the next Jrue rather than extending. or if Jrue was extended, not at that price. he is in very elite company of players extended at his age at that price. will he be elite? not sure
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Post by cole on Apr 11, 2024 6:45:29 GMT -5
4/#135 nice to see but count me as surprised love the player, especially on this current team. but I do not see Jrue's game aging well. years 3 and 4 as he loses a step or two, will he be even a good defender, never mind very good? he shot very well this season, but seemingly an outlier? I would have thought Brad would be looking for the next Jrue rather than extending. or if Jrue was extended, not at that price. he is in very elite company of players extended at his age at that price. will he be elite? not sure That's what we said about horford too and he's earning his money still. With inflation the salaries just go up anyway.
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Post by kdp59 on Apr 11, 2024 6:56:53 GMT -5
most know I was not for extending Jrue ( at least at that type of dollars). Not because I don't like the player but because doing this shuts our window to around 2 years.
We will be a second apron team for the duration of his contract now and ownership will pay a higher second apron tax each year moving forward due to the new CBA.
more importantly, being a second apron team will severely limit any way to add talent to the roster moving forward . Draft picks and vet minimums will be all we have ( besides trading one of these 5 high priced starters) to replace Horford after next season and any other players who may leave.
but for this year and next at least I do understand the move. After that there will have to be major changes on this team, IMO.
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Post by kdp59 on Apr 11, 2024 7:03:18 GMT -5
MY preference for a longer term Championship level window ( 4 years or more) would have been to allow Jrue to walk after this season ( ring or not). that would have dropped the team below the second apron, giving them the tax paying MLE to use then. with about $26M total under that apron, the team could have drafted someone like Tristan Newton from Uconn ( a cheaper Jrue type player?) www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2024-nba-mock-draft-ncaa-champion-uconn-puts-three-into-first-round-joined-by-zach-edey/and then used the MLE on someone like Lonnie Walker leaving the team with around $18M in space under the apron to re-sign both Kornet and Tillman. I am sure most here are glad I am not in charge, LOL>
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Post by rkarp1 on Apr 11, 2024 7:12:18 GMT -5
4/#135 nice to see but count me as surprised love the player, especially on this current team. but I do not see Jrue's game aging well. years 3 and 4 as he loses a step or two, will he be even a good defender, never mind very good? he shot very well this season, but seemingly an outlier? I would have thought Brad would be looking for the next Jrue rather than extending. or if Jrue was extended, not at that price. he is in very elite company of players extended at his age at that price. will he be elite? not sure That's what we said about horford too and he's earning his money still. With inflation the salaries just go up anyway. yes, very true. but Al signed for 2/$19, right? $10m this year and $9m next? I am ok with the Jrue deal for maybe 2 years. would he have signed a 2 year deal? he actually took a "paycut" next year as he was due $37m he will be what, 37 years old his last year of this deal?
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 11, 2024 11:43:19 GMT -5
Mixed feelings on this one. We have a young player out there that could serve well if he is integrated with Jru so he can teach him the things. But 4 years? 2 years made more sense to me.
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Post by cole on Apr 11, 2024 13:12:39 GMT -5
That's what we said about horford too and he's earning his money still. With inflation the salaries just go up anyway. yes, very true. but Al signed for 2/$19, right? $10m this year and $9m next? I am ok with the Jrue deal for maybe 2 years. would he have signed a 2 year deal? he actually took a "paycut" next year as he was due $37m he will be what, 37 years old his last year of this deal? I was thinking back to the 4 year deal. I'm thinking this would be the last year of that deal had he not extended, but I could be wrong.
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Post by cole on Apr 11, 2024 13:13:56 GMT -5
MY preference for a longer term Championship level window ( 4 years or more) would have been to allow Jrue to walk after this season ( ring or not). that would have dropped the team below the second apron, giving them the tax paying MLE to use then. with about $26M total under that apron, the team could have drafted someone like Tristan Newton from Uconn ( a cheaper Jrue type player?) www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2024-nba-mock-draft-ncaa-champion-uconn-puts-three-into-first-round-joined-by-zach-edey/and then used the MLE on someone like Lonnie Walker leaving the team with around $18M in space under the apron to re-sign both Kornet and Tillman. I am sure most here are glad I am not in charge, LOL> Knowing how brad thinks, I believe he thinks the contract will be tradeable, even if it took a little sweetener in the back half.
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Post by Admin on Apr 11, 2024 16:17:59 GMT -5
Celtics Sign Jrue Holiday To Four-Year Extensionby Rory MaherPhoto by Brock Williams-Smith/NBAE via Getty Images
April 11: Holiday’s extension is now official, the Celtics announced in a press release.
“In addition to being one of the more accomplished players in the league, Jrue is an elite teammate and competitor,” said president of basketball operations Brad Stevens. “He is simply a person who raises everyone’s level around him. He combines an unselfishness to do whatever is best for the team with an edge to take on any challenge at any time. We are grateful that Jrue is a Celtic.”
April 10: The Celtics are signing Jrue Holiday to a four-year, $135MM contract extension, agent Jason Glushon tells ESPN’s Adrian Wojanrowski.
A source tells Adam Himmselsbach of The Boston Globe (Twitter link) that the final season (2027/28) of Holiday’s new deal is a player option.
As Wojnarowski writes, Holiday is declining his $37.3MM player option for 2024/25 in order to sign a long-term deal with Boston that will save the team “several million dollars” toward next season’s salary cap.
The old Collective Bargaining Agreement did not permit players to decline an option and replace it with a lower salary via an extension, making Holiday the first player to utilize the change in the new CBA, notes cap expert Yossi Gozlan (via Twitter).
Holiday, who was traded from Milwaukee to Portland in late September before being re-routed to Boston on October 1, is a two-time All-Star and five-time All-Defensive team member. The Celtics were limited to offering Holiday a two-year extension until April 1, when the six-month post-trade restriction lifted.
Chris Mannix of SI.com hears (via Twitter) the Celtics and Holiday “have been thrilled” with their partnership, and Boston knew it would take a lucrative long-term deal in order to retain the veteran guard and have him avoid free agency.
Interestingly, Holiday’s new extension is essentially an exact replica of the four-year, $135MM extension he signed three years ago with Milwaukee, per Wojnarowski. Holiday, 33, becomes the fourth player in league history to sign a guaranteed $100MM+ contract at 33 years old or older, joining LeBron James, Stephen Curry and Al Horford.
Since he’s often a fourth or fifth option on offense for Boston, Holiday’s scoring (12.5 PPG) and assists (4.9 APG) are down this season. However, he’s averaging a career-high 5.4 rebounds per game while shooting a career-best 43.1% from deep in 68 games (32.9 MPG).
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Post by Admin on Apr 11, 2024 16:38:26 GMT -5
4yrs/$135mm
nice to see but count me as surprised
love the player, especially on this current team. but I do not see Jrue's game aging well. years 3 and 4 as he loses a step or two, will he be even a good defender, never mind very good? he shot very well this season, but seemingly an outlier?
I would have thought Brad would be looking for the next Jrue rather than extending. or if Jrue was extended, not at that price. he is in very elite company of players extended at his age at that price. will he be elite? not sure
I don't think Brad saw anyone on the immediate horizon that could replace Jrue. Now come year 3 or 4 there will be options available - Springer could develop into the next Holiday or the C's could move him for other pieces and to get back to the 2nd apron rather than the third.
$30mm this year and $33-35 for 25-26' is doable but it means White will get at least that much or more in an extension. Al will be gone or a vet minimum guy on the deep bench. If Tillman can improve his 3pt shooting some he will replace Al. If both Tillman & Queta stay, then Kornet is most likely to be lost as the C's have no Bird-Rts. So there will be savings coming to offset these extensions.
Guys like Peterson, Walsh & JD could be the next Hauser, Queta & Kornet. As long as we keep developing and picking well in the draft the window to compete should remain open for 2-4 yrs.
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Post by kdp59 on Apr 11, 2024 17:40:05 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Apr 11, 2024 18:46:29 GMT -5
This is what HH reported:
The difference between Kornet and Tillman is that the Celtics will have Tillman's Bird Rights, which always gives teams the inside track in free agency. Tillman would be the easier one to retain because the Celtics can offer him whatever they want compared to Kornet. That doesn't necessarily mean they will keep the X-Man over The Green Kornet, but it wouldn't be shocking if they did.
Spotrac is usually accurate so I don't know why Houdini reported this unless they think Kornet could get an offer they would not match based on the season he's had this year.
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Post by Admin on Apr 11, 2024 22:21:24 GMT -5
Indeed, B/R chirps in that Kornet could get a FA Offer that the C's just can't match whereas their feeling is that Tillman despite his defensive chops won't get the $ Kornet could command based on his size, offense & unfinished development. Here's the take on each according to B/R:
Luke Kornet (Unrestricted)
While the Celtics didn't leave their interior rotation entirely untouched this season, the fact they didn't feel the need to make a major move for more protection behind Kristaps Porziņģis and Al Horford could be viewed as a vote of confidence in Luke Kornet.
The 7'2", 250-pounder has more than held his own as a rotation regular and is quietly producing perhaps the finest season of his career.
His numbers won't blow you away—5.1 points, 4.0 rebounds and 1.0 blocks in 15.4 minutes—but his activity and efficiency are clear positives. His 69.9 field-goal percentage, for instance, is tops on the team by a wide margin. His 19.0 player efficiency rating, per Basketball-Reference, easily surpasses the metric's average of 15.0. His minus-2.9 net differential, per NBA.com, doesn't sound great, but it's essentially just a reflection of how good the bigs in front of him are, since his net rating is a robust plus-9.4 points per 100 possessions.
He is someone the Celtics should want to keep. The question is whether they can afford him. They'll be in the second apron next season, so they'll have to carefully manage their finances, particularly when it comes to fleshing out the roster around their stars. Kornet is helpful to have, but is he a necessity? That probably hinges on how the market views him.
Prediction: Kornet signs with the Memphis Grizzlies.
Xavier Tillman (Unrestricted)
At the trade deadline, the Celtics parted with Lamar Stevens and a pair of future second-round picks to pry Xavier Tillman out of Memphis. Boston should be generally pleased with how he has played since.
His offensive game can be hit or miss, but he enhances this frontcourt's versatility on defense. He can toggle between the 4 and 5 spots while possessing enough mobility to keep up with perimeter players and enough strength to bang with bigs. He also offers a bit of defensive playmaking as a career supplier of nearly three combined steals and blocks per 36 minutes, per Basketball-Reference.
Since he doesn't have great size (6'8") or much shooting range (26.3 percent from deep for his career), he can be a bit of a tricky fit on offense. A team with as much starpower as the Celtics can work around that. Clubs without the same kind of offensive weaponry could find that more challenging.
Through that lens, it might be harder for him to get a sizable pay raise than it is for Kornet, which could wind up settling this debate for Boston. If Kornet finds more money than the Celtics are willing to pay, Tillman could loom as the more cost-efficient option to keep, and since he's younger (and theoretically still developing) and more versatile on defense, it's possible he could wind up handling a bigger role than Kornet has filled.
Prediction: Tillman re-signs with the Celtics.
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Post by kdp59 on Apr 12, 2024 18:05:56 GMT -5
I think the NBA knows what Kornet is, I mean he is 28YO and has been in the NBA for 7 season.
we see big man after big man with lots more skill and talent end up playing for peanuts in this NBA, but if some team wants to offer Lurch over $3M then he can walk IMO.
better skilled players we can find at a lesser cost in the NBA scrap heap of Big men every off-season now.
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