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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2024 16:00:19 GMT -5
Someone said what I was thinking. Also, let's see them play that hard two games in a row. You think the Bucks will lay down during the playoffs and not play hard? So what makes you think this? They have really bad beer? This i believe. I don't think Portis or Lopez can go that hard twice in a row. Probably not Lillard either. Would you rather have giannis coming at you, or Lillard hitting stepback threes? We are better prepared to stop giannis. Not saying long term but for one night i think they might have played better without him.
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 21, 2024 16:00:29 GMT -5
We went from lets do well on this road trip to that win vs phx barely counts....to lets see this team play well in a close game.....to well we won a close game, but it shouldnt have been close
no issues with worrying or finding thigs we can improve. But to date, yes, we have looked like a championship team. If we win it all this year, will they say it was a fluke? A mediocre team that got lucky?
Our NET rating is on pace to be the best all time. We are as many games up on the 2 seed as the 2 seed is on the 10th. We have been resting starters and still beating teams.
Yes, its never a smooth ride for 82 games. Yes , there are things we can find to improve. And have no issue calling these out. I agree with some.
But I wish you guys were as bullish on the team this year as RKarpt is every year (very). Do any of you actually think that we are not the most likely team to win it all? Or are you all just nervous due to sky high expectations (which any Bruins fan will tell you, that can be a curse - not arguing that).
Just dont let your concerns or your nitpicking to take away from having fun. This is a very fun year. We are maybe the best reg season team of all time. And I know that will be for naught if we choke in playoffs. Of course. And of course it can happen. But this team is very good and very fun.
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 21, 2024 16:01:02 GMT -5
You think the Bucks will lay down during the playoffs and not play hard? So what makes you think this? They have really bad beer? This i believe. I don't think Portis or Lopez can go that hard twice in a row. Probably not Lillard either. Would you rather have giannis coming at you, or Lillard hitting stepback threes? We are better prepared to stop giannis. Not saying long term but for one night i think they might have played better without him. Like that game without Embiid and Maxey just went off
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 21, 2024 16:01:29 GMT -5
But no, being 100%, Id rather face them without Giannis lol
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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2024 16:01:46 GMT -5
You think the Bucks will lay down during the playoffs and not play hard? So what makes you think this? They have really bad beer? This i believe. I don't think Portis or Lopez can go that hard twice in a row. Probably not Lillard either. Would you rather have giannis coming at you, or Lillard hitting stepback threes? We are better prepared to stop giannis. Not saying long term but for one night i think they might have played better without him. So conversely if the Bucks can play like that and better with G, why do they have so many losses?
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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2024 16:03:16 GMT -5
But no, being 100%, Id rather face them without Giannis lol He's a load.
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 21, 2024 16:04:15 GMT -5
I don't think Portis or Lopez can go that hard twice in a row. Probably not Lillard either. Would you rather have giannis coming at you, or Lillard hitting stepback threes? We are better prepared to stop giannis. Not saying long term but for one night i think they might have played better without him. So conversely if the Bucks can play like that and better with G, why do they have so many losses? Rope-a-dope?
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2024 16:07:54 GMT -5
You think the Bucks will lay down during the playoffs and not play hard? So what makes you think this? They have really bad beer? This i believe. I don't think Portis or Lopez can go that hard twice in a row. Probably not Lillard either. Would you rather have giannis coming at you, or Lillard hitting stepback threes? We are better prepared to stop giannis. Not saying long term but for one night i think they might have played better without him. One night well maybe. Lopez is 35 i might agree on that but there are no back to back games during the playoffs so i'm not convinced tiredness is a reason teams lose. IDK if Porgy stop Giannis or not small sample size in my mind Horford and Kornet can't
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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2024 16:10:36 GMT -5
I don't think Portis or Lopez can go that hard twice in a row. Probably not Lillard either. Would you rather have giannis coming at you, or Lillard hitting stepback threes? We are better prepared to stop giannis. Not saying long term but for one night i think they might have played better without him. One night well maybe. Lopez is 35 i might agree on that but there are no back to back games during the playoffs so i'm not convinced tiredness is a reason teams lose. IDK if Porgy stop Giannis or not small sample size in my mind Horford and Kornet can't Unless he's hot shooting it will be jrue
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2024 16:11:25 GMT -5
I don't think Portis or Lopez can go that hard twice in a row. Probably not Lillard either. Would you rather have giannis coming at you, or Lillard hitting stepback threes? We are better prepared to stop giannis. Not saying long term but for one night i think they might have played better without him. So conversely if the Bucks can play like that and better with G, why do they have so many losses? Lillard played poorly till recently and fitting him in wasn't smooth. Lillard D is suspect the Bucks had to come up with a plan to help him. I'm not sure if they did
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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2024 16:12:36 GMT -5
Bucks will lose to Miami in the second round anyway
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2024 16:12:49 GMT -5
One night well maybe. Lopez is 35 i might agree on that but there are no back to back games during the playoffs so i'm not convinced tiredness is a reason teams lose. IDK if Porgy stop Giannis or not small sample size in my mind Horford and Kornet can't Unless he's hot shooting it will be jrue Oh lord a 6''1'' defending a 6'11 ?
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2024 16:15:13 GMT -5
Bucks will lose to Miami in the second round anyway IDK if i betting on any game of that series. I doubt it.
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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2024 16:17:25 GMT -5
Unless he's hot shooting it will be jrue Oh lord a 6''1'' defending a 6'11 ? That's what I remember from the first game. He's bigger than that isn't he? Anyway he can easily stay in front and the has the center of gravity. That's how you play G
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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2024 16:17:49 GMT -5
Bucks will lose to Miami in the second round anyway IDK if i betting on any game of that series. I doubt it. I doubt it every year
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2024 16:27:24 GMT -5
IDK if i betting on any game of that series. I doubt it. I doubt it every year That damn coach and GM are like having 6 players on the court is the only reason i can think of.
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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2024 16:34:51 GMT -5
That damn coach and GM are like having 6 players on the court is the only reason i can think of. Best tandem in recent memory
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Post by puddin on Mar 21, 2024 20:24:29 GMT -5
You guys seem to forget that that big loss to the Bucks was on our 4th game in 5 days ... it was a non-event, that's why Mazz benched the starters for the 2nd half!And the current discussion on Felger & Mazz touched on the topic I was thinking - Bucks are better w/o Giannis w/ Lillard, Middleton & Portis doing more scoring than having Giannis dominate the ball. If you think the Bucks win this game if he played last night you would be wrong ... I guarantee it! The Bucks play a much different game w/o Giannis and this wasn't the 1st time. He's a ball hog and his teammates watch him dribble the clock out and get fewer touches, especially Portis. Below is Mazz just moments before benching the starters for the 2nd half....
Pud
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Post by Admin on Mar 21, 2024 21:29:27 GMT -5
You guys seem to forget that that big loss to the Bucks was on our 4th game in 5 days ... it was a non-event, that's why Mazz benched the starters for the 2nd half! And the current discussion on Felger & Mazz touched on the topic I was thinking - Bucks are better w/o Giannis w/ Lillard, Middleton & Portis doing more scoring than having Giannis dominate the ball. If you think the Bucks win this game if he played last night you would be wrong ... I guarantee it! The Bucks play a much different game w/o Giannis and this wasn't the 1st time. He's a ball hog and his teammates watch him dribble the clock out and get fewer touches, especially Portis. No the Bucks arn't better without Giannis that's absurd. Ball Hog? Giannis averages 18.6 shots a game Tatum averages 19.4. Math isn't on your side..
I almost said Giannis & JT are alike ... ball dominate and ISO prone.
Sorry but Dame is apoor fit w/ G ... better pace. spacing and sharing w/o him leads to more wins and easier scoring
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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2024 21:40:30 GMT -5
No the Bucks arn't better without Giannis that's absurd. Ball Hog? Giannis averages 18.6 shots a game Tatum averages 19.4. Math isn't on your side..
I almost said Giannis & JT are alike ... ball dominate and ISO prone.
Sorry but Dame is apoor fit w/ G ... better pace. spacing and sharing w/o him leads to more wins and easier scoring
If G would accept less touches and focus on d I could see it working like phili with AI and mutombo A closer example might be San Antonio with gervin and Gilmore
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Post by Admin on Mar 21, 2024 21:44:18 GMT -5
I don't think Portis or Lopez can go that hard twice in a row. Probably not Lillard either. Would you rather have giannis coming at you, or Lillard hitting stepback threes? We are better prepared to stop giannis. Not saying long term but for one night i think they might have played better without him. One night well maybe. Lopez is 35 i might agree on that but there are no back to back games during the playoffs so i'm not convinced tiredness is a reason teams lose. IDK if Porgy stop Giannis or not small sample size in my mind Horford and Kornet can't
If Queta is signed to final roster spot we will have plenty of fouls to expend on Giannis with Al, Porgie, Kornet, Tillman and Queta.
And a zone should force him to stay on the perimeter more than usual ... bet Mazz wasn't showing doc that until POs.
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 22, 2024 7:28:39 GMT -5
One night well maybe. Lopez is 35 i might agree on that but there are no back to back games during the playoffs so i'm not convinced tiredness is a reason teams lose. IDK if Porgy stop Giannis or not small sample size in my mind Horford and Kornet can't
If Queta is signed to final roster spot we will have plenty of fouls to expend on Giannis with Al, Porgie, Kornet, Tillman and Queta.
And a zone should force him to stay on the perimeter more than usual ... bet Mazz wasn't showing doc that until POs.
Absolutely do not use a drop big or a collapsing zone on him (okay with a non collapsing zone). Like Cole said, put someone in front of him and keep him outside (or mid-range). Jrue , White, Brown, Tatum. But if Al, Porgie, Kornet are on him, they are dropping, which means on their heels, which means giving up momentum towards the basket which is exactly what you dont want. You want someone who can stay in front of him and guard him tight. Dont let him get downhill. SOmeone like Jrue or White because then Giannis cant drive effectively on these guys, but he can shoot the basket easily right over them, and thats what you want. G shooting jumpers. You can use a help C if he gets past the on ball defender , but this really only works if Lopez is out of the game because he's likely gonna pull our C out of the paint or you can live with Brook shooting 3s over Jaylen (keeping porz or a different \C inside to help should G get by his on-body defender).
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 22, 2024 7:49:44 GMT -5
Unless he's hot shooting it will be jrue Oh lord a 6''1'' defending a 6'11 ? Would you rather G taking 20 ft jumpers over Jrue (which granted are essentially open) or put a C on him who is going to play on his heels , drop to the basket, let G get momentum and attack the rim and then try to defend the shot at the rim? Granted we have some Cs who can play drop C defense well, but I still dont think this should be plan A partly because of all the ref love G gets when hes attacking the basket with momentum (winks at Cole). I think you want to put someone who is strong and quick with good hands in front of him, because then he cant drive and turns into a shooter. Now if he starts making those shots you adjust. Or if they play a 2 man inside/outside game with the ball in Dames hands running plays to set up assists from Dame to G down low, then again, you adjust. So I guess it depends on game feel. Side note: Cole, said it before, but Ill say it again. Very impressed with how you've evolved and adapted strategies to current NBA last few years. You stay up on concepts well.
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 22, 2024 7:54:00 GMT -5
Last year, we did a good job turning G into a shooter. Thats what Id try to replicate. Granted Grant was part of that and is no longer here. But I think you try to body him up again and take away his space so he cant get momentum and is forced to shoot from midrange/outside.
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 22, 2024 9:33:11 GMT -5
Oh lord a 6''1'' defending a 6'11 ? Would you rather G taking 20 ft jumpers over Jrue (which granted are essentially open) or put a C on him who is going to play on his heels , drop to the basket, let G get momentum and attack the rim and then try to defend the shot at the rim? Granted we have some Cs who can play drop C defense well, but I still dont think this should be plan A partly because of all the ref love G gets when hes attacking the basket with momentum (winks at Cole). I think you want to put someone who is strong and quick with good hands in front of him, because then he cant drive and turns into a shooter. Now if he starts making those shots you adjust. Or if they play a 2 man inside/outside game with the ball in Dames hands running plays to set up assists from Dame to G down low, then again, you adjust. So I guess it depends on game feel. Side note: Cole, said it before, but Ill say it again. Very impressed with how you've evolved and adapted strategies to current NBA last few years. You stay up on concepts well. Bucks need to post Giannis more this new fad of centers being PGs is fine if your a Jokic. Bigs don't post anymore i noticed . This came from the Milwaukee press Dame and Giannis allegedly have figured out the pick and roll finally. IDK i havn't been watching the Bucks but Dame has picked up his assists i noticed the second part of the season. Me evolved and adapted and up on concepts? More likely probably just got lucky once or twice.
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