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Post by hedleylamarr on May 31, 2024 14:44:21 GMT -5
And from the big east, lol (so ive seen him a ton) Bleacher Report has us taking an intriguing looking prospect named Collin Murray-Boyles. From So Car. 18 years old. Interesting. They have your guy going 32 to Utah and Edey going to the Spurs at 33. So you're spot on. |
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Post by DaCeltics on May 31, 2024 15:19:05 GMT -5
I see him being just as effective as Gobert or Robert Williams, with better offense. A player of this type clogs the paint and gets hunted, as other teams try to screen him onto a quicker player or shooter. We saw RWill hurt us bad in more than one playoff series loss. Theres obviously some good there, with both, but neither are starting NBA caliber players. I wouldnt be against Edey at 30 or even moving up a couple spots for him, but I dont like his fit with the starters and dont think he has the mobility to start. Teams were picking on Kornet when he was in, and they would pick on Edey. But hes okay for the second unit. Nobody is cracking our starting 5 for 4-5 years. This is about depth. Edey will be a bigger Brook Lopez, which ain't terrible. He has 3 pointer making potential. |
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Post by DaCeltics on May 31, 2024 15:29:01 GMT -5
Lets not lose sight of how the mavs got here, in each matchup - there was a guy who they were willing to leave open on the perimeter in order to keep Gafford/Lively at home. Cant do this against Boston. Could do it if you faced Boston with Edey in the lineup. But im fine with edey for the second unit. But prob need another big who can play with the starters (if Horford retires). If Horford stays then you roll the dice, because the assumption is 1 should prob be good to go for next years playoffs w the starters, so you wont need to dip that deep into your big man depth for a starting C. Which means Id be more comfy w Edey cuz I dont hate the pick for bench depth, but I never want to see him playing with the starters in a playoff game. It has never been a problem having a low post scorer and offensive rebounder hanging around the basket. More than one way to get open 3's. The most common way throughout history was to have a dominant post player that required a double team. A zone defense should be the only thing Edey knows. |
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2024 15:34:42 GMT -5
PART I
Lots of BIGS in this draft.
Since the C's will have limited ability to add players other than via vet minimum or swapping a bench player (9th - 15th) w/ or w/o pick/s for a vet or a prospect that is not likely to be resigned by the trade partner ... with no chance of signing any FA's over $5MM or so (though we may have a Trade Exception in the cupboard still for a trade) ... this could be the year that Brad MUST rely on his draft picks to add cheaper depth to this highly paid 7-8 deep core.
Edit Note: I had to scratch the TPE as 2nd Apron teams lose all exceptions generated in the last season. Only new exceptions starting in June (draft) will be valid ...
We're all use to Brad trading away his picks, especially his 1st round picks, but why has he held onto most, even with a few 2nds given up at this year's trade deadline ... could it be that this is the season he uses his 1st rounders?
If so, let's look at some BIGS or WINGS he might have an interest in this draft ( fyi: it's a 2 day draft this year making for moar time to wheel & deal): In no particular order, here are a few interesting candidates ...
I love Bridges as the next Hauser but moar dynamic and a proven defender already though as a low-usage player. As a backup he can work his way up in minutes w/ pro-conditioning. A nice 2nd round pick!
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2024 15:36:32 GMT -5
PART II
Chomche is my guy for a BIG ... What a great fit for the Celtics w/ Horford around to mentor him through his weaknesses to achieve GREATNESS! And down below in Kevin O'Connors mock draft, he has the C's picking Chomche at #30 ... Hope he's there on draft night!
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2024 15:40:09 GMT -5
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Post by dfries13 on May 31, 2024 15:48:34 GMT -5
PART I
Lots of BIGS in this draft.
Since the C's will have limited ability to add players other than via vet minimum or swapping a bench player (9th - 15th) w/ or w/o pick/s for a vet or a prospect that is not likely to be resigned by the trade partner ... with no chance of signing any FA's over $5MM or so (though we may have a Trade Exception in the cupboard still for a trade) ... this could be the year that Brad MUST rely on his draft picks to add cheaper depth to this highly paid 7-8 deep core.
We're all use to Brad trading away his picks, especially his 1st round picks, but why has he held onto most, even with a few 2nds given up at this year's trade deadline ... could it be that this is the season he uses his 1st rounders?
If so, let's look at some BIGS or WINGS he might have an interest in this draft ( fyi: it's a 2 day draft this year making for moar time to wheel & deal): In no particular order, here are a few interesting candidates ...
Didn't we draft a promising young big last year in Walsh. Lots of help Didn't we trade for a promising young big in Tillman? More help So we draft a career big G league player. Portland will sell more tickets? Cool The city has little to offer but Lobster Rolls. |
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2024 16:16:49 GMT -5
Isn't Walsh a F (as in SF/PF) on the small side?
Mazz isn't playing Tillman ... will Brad give him a new contract?
Career G-League player?
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Post by dfries13 on May 31, 2024 18:36:03 GMT -5
Isn't Walsh a F (as in SF/PF) on the small side? Mazz isn't playing Tillman ... will Brad give him a new contract? Career G-League player? IDK anymore i thought he was a 6'7'' PF Small? Yep However Walsh is listed as a 6'6'' guard on the Maine roster. Large then i guess.. Doesn't matter he won't see time here next year IDT I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded . Yeah draft a career G Leaguer like''Davidson'' and Walsh The whole Maine team looks like career g leagers as our currant roster is constructed. I don't know why Stevens would give a new contract to Tillman a player Mazz doesn't play do you? I do see Kornet back at about 3 mil for insurance unlike others here. |
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2024 19:20:38 GMT -5
Isn't Walsh a F (as in SF/PF) on the small side? Mazz isn't playing Tillman ... will Brad give him a new contract? Career G-League player? IDK anymore i thought he was a 6'7'' PF Small? Yep However Walsh is listed as a 6'6'' guard on the Maine roster. Large then i guess.. Doesn't matter he won't see time here next year IDT I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded . Yeah draft a career G Leaguer like''Davidson'' and Walsh The whole Maine team looks like career g leagers as our currant roster is constructed. I don't know why Stevens would give a new contract to Tillman a player Mazz doesn't play do you? I do see Kornet back at about 3 mil for insurance unlike others here.
I think another team will make Kornet an offer that Brad won't want to match.
Tillman played well for the Grizz as that bully under the rim getting Rbds and taking up space. Not a prolific scorer but a guy w/ a knack for the ball and a fan favorite. I'm completely stumped why Mazz refused to go to him much more than he did and sounds like he had his eyes opened some when he was forced to play him as a small ball 5 this past series. It will be Brad's call and that's another one he will have the last say on. Maybe they didn't play him to kill any interest by other teams (  ).
I think JD is gone. No longer eligible for a 2-way contract. Springer & Payton are ahead of him.
Unless flipped, Walsh gets 1-2 moar years to prove his mettle.
Brissett opts in unless he gets an offer bigger than VM.
Queta, Springer & Hauser are all club options next year. I think we keep all as they can't be aggregated for another player.
Al will be on his final contract year.
Svi is UFA but worthy of another VM if he'll stay (I bet he goes home if he gets a ring but stays for another yr if we don't win it).
Peterson has 1 or 2 moar yrs of eligibility for a 2-way contract I believe.
Because of the restrictions being in the 2nd Apron, I think Brad will be forced to use our #1 Draft Pick (he may trade 2-3 picks to get up to where he needs to be for that player he wants/needs) if no Vet wants to ring hunt here for VM.
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Post by DaCeltics on May 31, 2024 19:59:28 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2024 21:00:49 GMT -5
Best defender in this draft according to The Ringer ...
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Post by dfries13 on May 31, 2024 21:23:17 GMT -5
IDK anymore i thought he was a 6'7'' PF Small? Yep However Walsh is listed as a 6'6'' guard on the Maine roster. Large then i guess.. Doesn't matter he won't see time here next year IDT I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded . Yeah draft a career G Leaguer like''Davidson'' and Walsh The whole Maine team looks like career g leagers as our currant roster is constructed. I don't know why Stevens would give a new contract to Tillman a player Mazz doesn't play do you? I do see Kornet back at about 3 mil for insurance unlike others here.
I think another team will make Kornet an offer that Brad won't want to match.
Tillman played well for the Grizz as that bully under the rim getting Rbds and taking up space. Not a prolific scorer but a guy w/ a knack for the ball and a fan favorite. I'm completely stumped why Mazz refused to go to him much more than he did and sounds like he had his eyes opened some when he was forced to play him as a small ball 5 this past series. It will be Brad's call and that's another one he will have the last say on. Maybe they didn't play him to kill any interest by other teams ( ).
I think JD is gone. No longer eligible for a 2-way contract. Springer & Payton are ahead of him.
Unless flipped, Walsh gets 1-2 moar years to prove his mettle.
Brissett opts in unless he gets an offer bigger than VM.
Queta, Springer & Hauser are all club options next year. I think we keep all as they can't be aggregated for another player.
Al will be on his final contract year.
Svi is UFA but worthy of another VM if he'll stay (I bet he goes home if he gets a ring but stays for another yr if we don't win it).
Peterson has 1 or 2 moar yrs of eligibility for a 2-way contract I believe.
Because of the restrictions being in the 2nd Apron, I think Brad will be forced to use our #1 Draft Pick (he may trade 2-3 picks to get up to where he needs to be for that player he wants/needs) if no Vet wants to ring hunt here for VM.
Walsh Unless filpped ? Ah yeah. Walsh we save 2 mil. He's not replacing Horford or anyone next year maybe never. Paterson will need two more years not likely see him next year JD is finished Kornet get 2.5 to 3 for 2 years he loves it here and his teammates like him No team is going to pay him 2/8 or more. He stays Mazz and Opie like his development Ist year rookie scale is about 2.5 mil for a 20 something pick just about what Tillman will want. VMs bore me. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 2, 2024 0:19:01 GMT -5
All these mock picks from 22 thru 30 are BIGS ... One of them will fall to us. Drewski's Oso is there for the taking at #40 but I think we can do better w/ a Center over a true PF.
Mock Draft by Kevin O'Connor: #22 Yves Missi - Suns 23 Daron Holmes - Bucks 24 Pacome Dadiet - Knicks 25 Zach Edey - Knicks 26 Bobi Klintman - Wizards 27 Tyler Smith - TWolves 28 Kyle Filipowski - Nuggets 29 Kyshawn George - Jazz 30 Ulrich Chomche - Celtics < Admin top BIG for C's 35 Ryan Dunn - Spurs
37 Baylor Scheierman - TWolves
39 Jalen Bridges - Grizzlies < Admin top WING for C's (Need to move up from 54 to 39 to get him per this mock) 40 Oso Ighodaro - TBlazers
46 Tyler Kolek - Clippers
49 Payton Sandfort - Pacers 54 Tristen Newton (G) - Celtics55 Bronny James - Lakers |
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Post by puddin on Jun 2, 2024 13:22:17 GMT -5
All these mock picks from 22 thru 30 are BIGS ... One of them will fall to us. Drewski's Oso is there for the taking at #40 but I think we can do better w/ a Center over a true PF.
Mock Draft by Kevin O'Connor: #22 Yves Missi - Suns 23 Daron Holmes - Bucks 24 Pacome Dadiet - Knicks 25 Zach Edey - Knicks 26 Bobi Klintman - Wizards 27 Tyler Smith - TWolves 28 Kyle Filipowski - Nuggets 29 Kyshawn George - Jazz 30 Ulrich Chomche - Celtics < Admin top BIG for C's 35 Ryan Dunn - Spurs
37 Baylor Scheierman - TWolves
39 Jalen Bridges - Grizzlies < Admin top WING for C's (Need to move up from 54 to 39 to get him per this mock) 40 Oso Ighodaro - TBlazers
46 Tyler Kolek - Clippers
49 Payton Sandfort - Pacers 54 Tristen Newton (G) - Celtics55 Bronny James - Lakers Why not pass on Newton and take Bronny instead?
Who knows what some crybaby will give us in return.
Pud
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 3, 2024 7:18:05 GMT -5
I do a ranking of players based on mock drafts. I use Draft Net, Draft room and Bleacher reports two round mocks, all were updates in the past few days
here are the players that fell in the 20-40 range when they are combined and ranked.
Filipowski seems like the logical guy to try to get, IMO. I see him as a Kelly O. type NBA player. Probably will take moving up to get him even costing as much as a future first. But if he can be at Kelly O.'s level in the NBA that's a 10 years rotational stretch 4/5.
D. Holmes has shut down his workouts now, meaning he likely has a promise somewhere in the late first round. He would be my second option for a big man at #30.
PJ Hall is my third option for a big man pick.
I do not think Edey is a fit in this system much like Tillman is not, so I don't see him being drafted here if he falls.
K. McCuller is a lock down defender type who might be a solid non big pick, as well as Tyson or Dunn
20 PG Jared McCain 6-2 205 20 Duke
21 PF Trisan da Silva 6-8 220 23 Colorado
22 PF Tyler Smith 6-9 225 19 G-League
23 C Zach Edey 7-4 300 22 Purdue
24 PG Carlton Carrington 6-5 195 18 Pittsburgh
25 PF/C Kyle Filipowski 6-11 230 20 Duke
26 SG Johnny Furphy 6-8 200 19 Kansas
27 SF Jaylon Tyson 6-7 215 21 California
28 PG Tyler Kolek 6-2 195 23 Marquette
29 PF/C DaRon Holmes 6-9 235 21 Dayton
30 SF Bobi Klintman 6-9 210 21 Int
31 PF Pacome Dadiet 6-8 210 18 Int
32 SF/SG Kevin McCullar 6-6 210 23 Kansas
33 SG Baylor Scheierman 6-6 200 23 Ceighton
34 SF Ryan Dunn 6-7 216 21 Virginia
35 SG Nikola Durisic 6-6 209 20 Int
36 SG Trentyn Flowers 6-8 180 19
37 PF/C PJ Hall 6-9 240 22 Clemson
38 PG KJ Simpson 6-1 190 21 Colorado
39 SG Cam Christie 6-5 190 18 Minnesota
40 SF Dillon Jones 6-6 235 22 Weber St
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 3, 2024 7:29:32 GMT -5
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 3, 2024 7:46:49 GMT -5
since there was talk about other off-season moves here, I will add
I do NOT think Kornet gets any offers over $4M next year as a UFA. There are simply too many other cheap big men who can be a BU Center and who have more potential around the NBA. PLUS Kornet knows his fit here and will be more than willing to stay for a a small bump in pay I think.
I agree Tillman is gone , UNLESS Al does decides to retire after this season ( house for sell and maybe getting a ring this year?). In that case I think they will try to resign both Kornet and Tillman for a combined $10M or less.
SVi is gone. I try like hell to get Hayward to come back on a Vet minimum deal to go for a ring next year myself to replace him.
add the #30 pick (which i think they use) say one of the bigs I listed and the roster is at 15.
Brissett has a player option he may decline at minimum and I would try to trade Springer ,who has a pricey $4M salary for a guy NOT close to the rotation ( he is the 8th highest player next season now).
so my moves:
draft day
1) trade #30 pick and future first to Phoenix for #22 pick and get Filipwoski
2) trade Springer to a team with cap space ( or trade exception) along with a second round pick.
post draft
I assume AL and Brissett both stay
1) resign Kornet
2) Sign Hayward to a vet minimum ring chaser deal ( Mook Morris would be my second option)
3) sign Justin Holiday or Aaron Holiday to play with their brother and chase a ring at vet minimum
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 3, 2024 10:43:07 GMT -5
Good stuff guys.
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 3, 2024 20:32:19 GMT -5
since there was talk about other off-season moves here, I will add I do NOT think Kornet gets any offers over $4M next year as a UFA. There are simply too many other cheap big men who can be a BU Center and who have more potential around the NBA. PLUS Kornet knows his fit here and will be more than willing to stay for a a small bump in pay I think. I agree Tillman is gone , UNLESS Al does decides to retire after this season ( house for sell and maybe getting a ring this year?). In that case I think they will try to resign both Kornet and Tillman for a combined $10M or less. SVi is gone. I try like hell to get Hayward to come back on a Vet minimum deal to go for a ring next year myself to replace him. add the #30 pick (which i think they use) say one of the bigs I listed and the roster is at 15. Brissett has a player option he may decline at minimum and I would try to trade Springer ,who has a pricey $4M salary for a guy NOT close to the rotation ( he is the 8th highest player next season now). so my moves: draft day 1) trade #30 pick and future first to Phoenix for #22 pick and get Filipwoski 2) trade Springer to a team with cap space ( or trade exception) along with a second round pick. post draft I assume AL and Brissett both stay 1) resign Kornet 2) Sign Hayward to a vet minimum ring chaser deal ( Mook Morris would be my second option) 3) sign Justin Holiday or Aaron Holiday to play with their brother and chase a ring at vet minimum I usually find bit and pieces on most posts to disagree with. ..I can't find any here I agree on Kornet not getting 4 mil and resigning here fora 2/6 or a 2/7 One of the Holidays are fine Tillman is Gone with the Wind Mazz don't trust him in the least. I trade Springer too and i don't mind Hayward coming back. Brissett probably takes his player option I'll take Flipowskie even tho he had somewhat of and off year at Duke last year. He might escape g league Purgatory and actually play 10 to 12 minutes his rookie year. Walsh won't play next year and i shop him around with a couple 2 round drafts we don't need. I hate to give up two firsts but the reality is both will be near 30 picks and won't be worth a whole lot. Would the Suns's do that IDK. Heds will go bonkers if Hayward comes back be prepared.. |
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 4, 2024 6:14:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure why anyone would have issues with Hayward or Morris coming back on vet minimum deals.
Just saw something yesterday saying Denver liked Hayward a lot and they are a second apron team like Boston next year. So he may have to pick between the teams, if he wants to chase a ring. Could Opie talk him into coming back?
Hayward would become the 6th man next year and solidify our bench more than this year, IMO. AL drops to the 7th man with Pritchard 8th then. Hauser, the "can't play him in the payoffs" guy would be 9th I think then and OK for the regular season.
How long would it take Filpwoski to replace Kornet and the third big man off the bench? I don't think long to be honest.
This team got lucky with Pritchard, Hauser and Kornet as the 7-9th men in the rotation. We've seen in the playoffs only Pritchard can be played real minutes. getting one or two "ring chaser" for next year could help fix that deficit IMO.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 4, 2024 6:20:49 GMT -5
I should have added in my original "off-season" post.
IF Horford does retire after this season then another option instead of re-signing Tillman might be tto try to get Theis to come back on a minimum deal.
Crazy Joe might even play Theis once in a while, who knows?
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Post by kyceltic on Jun 4, 2024 10:02:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure why anyone would have issues with Hayward or Morris coming back on vet minimum deals. Just saw something yesterday saying Denver liked Hayward a lot and they are a second apron team like Boston next year. So he may have to pick between the teams, if he wants to chase a ring. Could Opie talk him into coming back? Hayward would become the 6th man next year and solidify our bench more than this year, IMO. AL drops to the 7th man with Pritchard 8th then. Hauser, the "can't play him in the payoffs" guy would be 9th I think then and OK for the regular season. How long would it take Filpwoski to replace Kornet and the third big man off the bench? I don't think long to be honest. This team got lucky with Pritchard, Hauser and Kornet as the 7-9th men in the rotation. We've seen in the playoffs only Pritchard can be played real minutes. getting one or two "ring chaser" for next year could help fix that deficit IMO. At this point I'll take Morris over Hayward, if Hayward couldn't play for OKC, I don't see how he could play for the Celtics! |
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Post by cole on Jun 4, 2024 10:06:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure why anyone would have issues with Hayward or Morris coming back on vet minimum deals. Just saw something yesterday saying Denver liked Hayward a lot and they are a second apron team like Boston next year. So he may have to pick between the teams, if he wants to chase a ring. Could Opie talk him into coming back? Hayward would become the 6th man next year and solidify our bench more than this year, IMO. AL drops to the 7th man with Pritchard 8th then. Hauser, the "can't play him in the payoffs" guy would be 9th I think then and OK for the regular season. How long would it take Filpwoski to replace Kornet and the third big man off the bench? I don't think long to be honest. This team got lucky with Pritchard, Hauser and Kornet as the 7-9th men in the rotation. We've seen in the playoffs only Pritchard can be played real minutes. getting one or two "ring chaser" for next year could help fix that deficit IMO. At this point I'll take Morris over Hayward, if Hayward couldn't play for OKC, I don't see how he could play for the Celtics! He hasn't really been viable since the ankle imo. |
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 4, 2024 16:56:07 GMT -5
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