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Post by drewski6 on Jun 27, 2024 7:59:32 GMT -5
Drew ... you surprised to see Carter falling some?
Just got picked by Kings @ 13
A little, but not extremely. I think he wound up in a good spot. He gets blocks and steals and loves to run, so good combo w D Fox as they can both run in transition. Also hes an elite defensive guard, so I think he'll play well next to Fox. He had the highest vertical in the draft and a great sprint speed. But he's coming out after his junior year and you know how at the top of the draft, the 18/19 yr olds get the advantage. Also he shot the 3 ball well his junior year, but not really great before that. But I think he would have went a couple spots higher to the Bulls maybe. Or maybe to OKC if they didnt just trade for Caruso. |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 27, 2024 8:10:27 GMT -5
Not really ... insurance for sure but depth as Drew said in case someone goes down.
Here's a scouting report for all you greenhorns1
Drew ... Heavy feet moving laterally? That's your 1st complaint about most bigs and a SG has cement kicks?
Yeah, maybe if he loses a little weight or works on his D things can change, but as is the lack of mobility may cause him to be a bench player. Filthy filthy shooter though who can do a lot more on O than just shoot. Also contributes on the glass and can handle well for his size. |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 27, 2024 8:14:13 GMT -5
Shead on the wrong team could really cause us trouble. I understand the attraction to Baylor though. But he's 1 dimensional offensively. I don't even know if he can play Sam Hauser level defense! Hes not one dimensional offensively. He can body up on guards, has a mid-range and while hes not a blow by guy, he can drain em with a hand in his face. He's also a solid passer. It's his defense that needs work. But I think sam hauser really improved his D over last couple of years, so maybe Baylor can too. After the finals, I dont think we can use "sam hausers d" as a knock. He surprised me with his d this playoff run. Theyll keep Hauser but on a team looking to shoot , its good to have depth there. Maybe they let Hauser walk after this upcoming year and try to dip below second apron. I dont think Walsh is ready, so I like the depth at SG/SF. |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 27, 2024 8:16:24 GMT -5
Dont get me wrong. The kid looks tough. And i was expecting & hoping, we got a seasoned player on the older side. Not athletic but looks tough. He's mentally tough too. Doesnt quit. |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 27, 2024 8:18:20 GMT -5
I hope Baylor can improve his footwork enough to the point where hes playable at guard. Cuz he can bully guards with his size and toughness and rebounds very well for a guard. He def shoots well enough for guard. But if he cant stay in front of guards, he'll be a small forward, where his upside is lower but still a great shooter off the bench who can do more than that offensively (he also gets to the line) and contribute on the glass.
Ive seen him play my friars a ton, and hes always a huge pain in the ass.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 27, 2024 8:40:13 GMT -5
Not really ... insurance for sure but depth as Drew said in case someone goes down.
Here's a scouting report for all you greenhorns1
Drew ... Heavy feet moving laterally? That's your 1st complaint about most bigs and a SG has cement kicks?
Yeah, maybe if he loses a little weight or works on his D things can change, but as is the lack of mobility may cause him to be a bench player. Filthy filthy shooter though who can do a lot more on O than just shoot. Also contributes on the glass and can handle well for his size. Is his athleticism less than Luka's? I don't think so. |
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 27, 2024 8:43:35 GMT -5
Shead on the wrong team could really cause us trouble. I understand the attraction to Baylor though. But he's 1 dimensional offensively. I don't even know if he can play Sam Hauser level defense! Hes not one dimensional offensively. He can body up on guards, has a mid-range and while hes not a blow by guy, he can drain em with a hand in his face. He's also a solid passer. It's his defense that needs work. But I think sam hauser really improved his D over last couple of years, so maybe Baylor can too. After the finals, I dont think we can use "sam hausers d" as a knock. He surprised me with his d this playoff run. Theyll keep Hauser but on a team looking to shoot , its good to have depth there. Maybe they let Hauser walk after this upcoming year and try to dip below second apron. I dont think Walsh is ready, so I like the depth at SG/SF. Poorly stated by me. I just meant he isn't cracking good defensive players off the dribble in isolation. So he will be very jump shot reliant. Imo It's worked for Luka, though! |
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 27, 2024 8:44:30 GMT -5
I like the pick, but no way I can put Scheierman in the same category as Luka.
now go get Filipowsi, Opie!
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 27, 2024 8:47:09 GMT -5
I hope Baylor can improve his footwork enough to the point where hes playable at guard. Cuz he can bully guards with his size and toughness and rebounds very well for a guard. He def shoots well enough for guard. But if he cant stay in front of guards, he'll be a small forward, where his upside is lower but still a great shooter off the bench who can do more than that offensively (he also gets to the line) and contribute on the glass. Ive seen him play my friars a ton, and hes always a huge pain in the ass. It doesn't matter. They will mismatch hunt him down like they've done Sam and Horford and Kornet and KP and PP. Not the end of the world. Just don't be a cone like Luka is most of the time. |
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 27, 2024 8:49:02 GMT -5
I like the pick, but no way I can put Scheierman in the same category as Luka. now go get Filipowsi, Opie! There are similarities is all. Let's see if it translates. The skill is there. Is the mentality there? That is the unknown 50 percent of the battle. |
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 27, 2024 8:54:25 GMT -5
well, I disagree that he has close to Lukas' skills . I mean like him or not Doncic is one of the top players in the NBA
I can't see us ever saying that about Scheierman. But I hope you are correct!!!
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 27, 2024 8:56:20 GMT -5
Hes not one dimensional offensively. He can body up on guards, has a mid-range and while hes not a blow by guy, he can drain em with a hand in his face. He's also a solid passer. It's his defense that needs work. But I think sam hauser really improved his D over last couple of years, so maybe Baylor can too. After the finals, I dont think we can use "sam hausers d" as a knock. He surprised me with his d this playoff run. Theyll keep Hauser but on a team looking to shoot , its good to have depth there. Maybe they let Hauser walk after this upcoming year and try to dip below second apron. I dont think Walsh is ready, so I like the depth at SG/SF. Poorly stated by me. I just meant he isn't cracking good defensive players off the dribble in isolation. So he will be very jump shot reliant. Imo It's worked for Luka, though! He's certainly not going to blow by anybody, but he has some unconventional moves at the perimeter to get himself open, and he uses his frame well to protect the ball. Tight handle. He has the IQ to recognize when a guard is on him. But yes, he will look to shoot, he's not an explosive finisher. |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 27, 2024 8:58:41 GMT -5
I hope Baylor can improve his footwork enough to the point where hes playable at guard. Cuz he can bully guards with his size and toughness and rebounds very well for a guard. He def shoots well enough for guard. But if he cant stay in front of guards, he'll be a small forward, where his upside is lower but still a great shooter off the bench who can do more than that offensively (he also gets to the line) and contribute on the glass. Ive seen him play my friars a ton, and hes always a huge pain in the ass. It doesn't matter. They will mismatch hunt him down like they've done Sam and Horford and Kornet and KP and PP. Not the end of the world. Just don't be a cone like Luka is most of the time. Fair enough. His ability to start in the league one day depends on it. If he can get his d up to adequate and isnt a turnstile , he'll prob start one day somewhere. If not, he'll still stick in the league but more as an offensive punch off the bench role player. |
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 27, 2024 8:59:16 GMT -5
on another draft note, I am not sure about Reed Shepperd at #3.
I am having a hard time finding any elite white players under 6-3 who have played in the NBA recently. I can't even find any starting in the league right now.
I know he's considered to be the elite 3 point shooter in this draft, but I can't help thinking taking a better/faster Pritchard at #3 in the draft might end up being a bad pick.
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Post by kyceltic on Jun 27, 2024 9:15:43 GMT -5
Give him catalyst (primary ballhandler) responsibilities Mazzulla. Don't just stand him in a corner! www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar-nbadraft-celtics-1st-round-pick-scheierman-very-excited-to-join-nba-champsSpeaking with Celtics.com shortly after hearing his name called at pick No. 30, Scheierman said that he hopes to complement Boston’s roster with his versatility, competitiveness, and eagerness to help the defending champs in any way possible. “My ability to affect the game in a lot of ways whether that’s rebounding, whether that’s passing, whether that’s shooting, or just all-out competing,” Scheierman said, listing off how he hopes to contribute in the future. “Obviously they have a great team already, just coming off a championship, and so I’m just excited to join the group, get to work, and try to impact any way that I can.” Scheierman isn’t exaggerating when he says he can impact the game in a lot of ways. He is the only player in Division I men’s history with at least 2,000 points, (2,233), 1,000 rebounds (1,256), 500 assists (580), and 300 three-pointers (356). He is just one of 11 players in college hoops history to score at least 1,000 points at two different DI schools (South Dakota State and Creighton). Many of those points were scored from beyond the 3-point arc, where the lefty shot 39.0 percent on 912 career attempts. Plus, he is the most prolific defensive-rebounder (1,114 defensive boards) at the DI level in at least a quarter of a century. Not bad for a 6-foot-6 wing. Scheierman is also a strong passer and playmaker. That should come as no surprise considering his well-rounded athletic background. Not only was he a hoops star at Aurora High School, but he also quarterbacked the football program to a Nebraska state title in 2018, throwing for nearly 4,000 yards with 59 touchdowns to go along with eight rushing touchdowns. He was born to compete, and he is ecstatic to join such a competitive professional sports organization with a rich winning history, one which he has held in high regard since he was a child. “Growing up, watching the Celtics win in ’08 with (Kevin) Garnett, (Paul) Pierce, and (Ray) Allen and then watching them win this year and them having the confidence to pick me. “They don’t just bring anybody into the organization, and so I’m very excited for the opportunity and just excited to get to work.” That had to be a great feeling! |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 27, 2024 9:15:47 GMT -5
ANother thing about Scheierman, is Ive seen him play a lot and he never doesnt impact the game. He's a guy who always got his regardless. And consider his teams. He played with Trey Alexander who is a solid college PG but not great and not going to play in NBA and Kalkbrenner who is a physical, rim protecting big. He had a lot asked of him offensively, and thats in a very good big east. He also always drew the best wing defender on opposing teams (and the big east is loaded with quality defenders), and he would just consistently beat good D. Hand in his face? No problem. He even has a couple of one step perimeter moves that he uses to get himself space. He recognizes when he has the size advantage and can handle and use his size well enough to dribble in space. Hes not going to blow you by but he can be kind of like a slow motion penetrator like Luka (but he doesnt finish nearly as well at the rim as Luka, he looks to pull up or pass when hes penetrating - but he does both of those well).
When Kalk got hurt, he carrier the team. And they stayed competitive against a lot of very good teams.
He can play the 2 or the 3 , maybe even a little 4 against smaller bench PFs. The best part is next years Celtics just got deeper and therefore better. Cant be mad about that.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 27, 2024 9:16:48 GMT -5
Creighton and my friars over the past couple of years had some real battles. ANd I always hated playing against him.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 27, 2024 9:22:37 GMT -5
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Post by kyceltic on Jun 27, 2024 9:25:04 GMT -5
well, I disagree that he has close to Lukas' skills . I mean like him or not Doncic is one of the top players in the NBA I can't see us ever saying that about Scheierman. But I hope you are correct!!! If he has half of Luka's skills, we just drafted the rookie of the year! |
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Post by kyceltic on Jun 27, 2024 9:27:05 GMT -5
on another draft note, I am not sure about Reed Shepperd at #3. I am having a hard time finding any elite white players under 6-3 who have played in the NBA recently. I can't even find any starting in the league right now. I know he's considered to be the elite 3 point shooter in this draft, but I can't help thinking taking a better/faster Pritchard at #3 in the draft might end up being a bad pick. Most overrated player in the draft! |
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Post by kyceltic on Jun 27, 2024 9:31:47 GMT -5
I can't wait for summer league! |
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Post by cole on Jun 27, 2024 9:37:01 GMT -5
I can't wait for summer league! That's something I haven't heard in a couple of years. |
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Post by cole on Jun 27, 2024 9:38:56 GMT -5
I can't wait for summer league! That's something I haven't heard in a couple of years. I can see this guy replacing Hauser when he goes to Miami |
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Post by Admin on Jun 27, 2024 10:48:28 GMT -5
Why Baylor Scheierman is a perfect fit with the Celtics
He’s a lights-out shooter, yes, but there’s much more to his game.
By Trevor Hass@TrevorHass
[First] ... he’s a lights-out shooter with special range. That’s his best asset, and I believe it will translate immediately to the NBA. He’s a career 39 percent 3-point shooter and shot a ridiculous 46.9 percent from distance as a junior. His lefty stroke provides a different look, and he can bury jumpers both off the catch and off the dribble.
Next, he’s sneakily 6 feet, 6 inches, 205 pounds, and rebounding is one of his best assets. He averaged 9 boards a game for Creighton this past season and did much of his damage in the paint. He’s the NCAA leader in defensive rebounds over the past 25 seasons, with 1,140. So if you’re pegging him as just a pure shooter, think again.
Scheierman also has excellent vision, a terrific feel for the game and thrives in traffic. He’s capable of playing 1 through 3 and could be used periodically as a backup point guard long term. I believe he slots as a natural NBA 2, but don’t sleep on his playmaking ability. He’s used to drawing so much attention that he’s developed an ability to pass out of the double. Yes, he was a high school quarterback, which doesn’t hurt.
The best comparison I’ve seen is Joe Ingles – a crafty, methodical, highly intelligent lefty who finds little cracks and crevices to contribute to winning. He’s one of those players who can give you whatever the team needs. If you need him to drop 30 (in college), he will. If you need him to get 10 assists, he will. If you need him to get 15 rebounds, he will.
So wait a minute, why did this guy drop until the end of the first round? Should we induct him to the Hall of Fame now? Well, OK, there are some question marks pertaining to the NBA.
I disagree with the folks that have insinuated that he’s a poor defender. I’ve watched him a lot, and that’s not accurate in my opinion. He has good instincts, competes hard and has a knack for poking the ball away. But, there is some truth to the fact that he may struggle guarding certain NBA players. I don’t think he’ll be outmatched against fellow shooters, but if he has to stick shifty point guards or overpowering bigs on occasion, it may be tough.
I believe Scheierman has some Payton Pritchard and some Sam Hauser in him, and the Celtics have turned both players into reliable defenders. There’s no reason Scheierman can’t become one himself.
Another doubt people have is his age (23), but I’ve never put too much stock into that. If you can play, you can play. Sure, a 19-year-old prospect may have more untapped upside, but Scheierman is more NBA-ready than the vast majority of players in this year’s class.
So, what should we expect from him? Well, it will obviously be tough to crack the rotation this year, but I wouldn’t rule it out entirely. If he proves himself, that could mean the Celtics have a potential Hauser replacement. I love Hauser’s game, and am not trying to boot him out by any means, but Scheierman does check many of the same boxes on paper. Plus, he’s a bit more mobile and elusive.
Again, I’m not saying Scheierman is Steph Curry, but I suspect you’ll have a similar reaction to mine when you watch him. The simplest way I can say it is that the man knows how to ball. We’ll see if he lasts, but no matter how it shakes out, I firmly believe this was an excellent pick.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 27, 2024 12:16:18 GMT -5
With Knecht, might as well as hand over the title to the Lakers................... wait. Being sarcastic or being real? the first one!! |
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