|
|
Post by kivancb on Jan 24, 2024 11:50:46 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by Cabutan on Jan 24, 2024 12:36:17 GMT -5
Desperate move by Eastern Conference contender should cause Celtics no worries
By Dylan Thompson | Jan 23, 2024
The Boston Celtics have reached a level where they are far and away the best team in the Eastern Conference. With that comes teams that are desperate to match the Celtics and often make rash decisions. In the case of the Miami Heat, on Tuesday morning, they traded Kyle Lowry for Terry Rozier. The move does not entirely move the needle for the Heat and there are questions about how much he will help them. Once again, the move should cause no concern for the Celtics and their pursuit of Banner 18. Let me start by saying that Rozier is a good player and an upgrade over Lowry. Rozier was excellent for the Celtics, especially during the 2018 postseason, but that was a long time ago. Now, Rozier is essentially just another Tyler Herro, which is why I don’t see his fit with the Heat. More importantly, the Rozier trade should be a sigh of relief for the Celtics. For most of the offseason, the Heat were the favorites for Damian Lillard, and they have been in rumors for Dejounte Murray and Donovan Mitchell. For the Heat to be mentioned with those calibers of players and come away with just Rozier is a huge win for the Cs.
Despite 2018 Boston Celtics run, can Terry Rozier perform in postseason?Even though Rozier is a better player than Lowry, is he more reliable in a playoff game? I would fear Lowry in a playoff game far more than I would Rozier because Lowry has won a championship and been on multiple NBA Finals runs. Although Rozier could flourish in the Heat system, I wonder how good he will be for them in the postseason. It will be interesting to see how the Heat fare with Rozier this postseason. Ultimately, the Celtics should not even give the trade any thought as they still remain a leg above everyone else.
funny. Short term memory. Rozier is really good in the playoffs. At least when he played for us |
|
|
|
Post by cole on Jan 24, 2024 12:39:46 GMT -5
Desperate move by Eastern Conference contender should cause Celtics no worries
By Dylan Thompson | Jan 23, 2024
The Boston Celtics have reached a level where they are far and away the best team in the Eastern Conference. With that comes teams that are desperate to match the Celtics and often make rash decisions. In the case of the Miami Heat, on Tuesday morning, they traded Kyle Lowry for Terry Rozier. The move does not entirely move the needle for the Heat and there are questions about how much he will help them. Once again, the move should cause no concern for the Celtics and their pursuit of Banner 18. Let me start by saying that Rozier is a good player and an upgrade over Lowry. Rozier was excellent for the Celtics, especially during the 2018 postseason, but that was a long time ago. Now, Rozier is essentially just another Tyler Herro, which is why I don’t see his fit with the Heat. More importantly, the Rozier trade should be a sigh of relief for the Celtics. For most of the offseason, the Heat were the favorites for Damian Lillard, and they have been in rumors for Dejounte Murray and Donovan Mitchell. For the Heat to be mentioned with those calibers of players and come away with just Rozier is a huge win for the Cs.
Despite 2018 Boston Celtics run, can Terry Rozier perform in postseason?Even though Rozier is a better player than Lowry, is he more reliable in a playoff game? I would fear Lowry in a playoff game far more than I would Rozier because Lowry has won a championship and been on multiple NBA Finals runs. Although Rozier could flourish in the Heat system, I wonder how good he will be for them in the postseason. It will be interesting to see how the Heat fare with Rozier this postseason. Ultimately, the Celtics should not even give the trade any thought as they still remain a leg above everyone else.
funny. Short term memory. Rozier is really good in the playoffs. At least when he played for us He had 3 or 4 good games but he had some bad games too. Most notably in the finals loss to the cavs. |
|
|
|
Post by Cabutan on Jan 24, 2024 12:54:24 GMT -5
Is there a firesale in Charlotte? Miles Bridges is available.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cabutan on Jan 24, 2024 12:54:49 GMT -5
funny. Short term memory. Rozier is really good in the playoffs. At least when he played for us He had 3 or 4 good games but he had some bad games too. Most notably in the finals loss to the cavs. you are right but wasnt he a rookie or second year player something like that? Time flies. |
|
|
|
Post by rkarp1 on Jan 25, 2024 7:30:14 GMT -5
Is there a firesale in Charlotte? Miles Bridges is available. I believe they have announced that every player is available other than Ball, Miller and Williams I think Gordo to the Knicks could happen |
|
|
|
Post by drewski6 on Jan 25, 2024 11:51:53 GMT -5
He had 3 or 4 good games but he had some bad games too. Most notably in the finals loss to the cavs. you are right but wasnt he a rookie or second year player something like that? Time flies. Yup and he played overall very well. But hes not a complete player, and thats how people get overrated (play well in a short sample size when eyes are on, 2 notable examples: playoffs and march madness tourney) We've gotten bit biting tournament darlings. Guy has a mediocre year but plays well in the march madness tourney and team makes a run, so he gets drafted higher and it turns out hes not bad but where he would have went before a quality (but small) sample of games (with a lot of eyebalss) was more in-line. Its hard to know. If a guy plays good in reg season but great in playoffs (pro or college) - how much of that is "hes got that clutch gene" (repeatable) and how much of it is he just got hot at a good time and he's getting overhyped based on a small sample. Works the other way too. Sometimes guys can go cold in playoffs (college or otherwise) and have their hype-factor go down too far. Sometimes its the dude has the choke gene sometimes its putting too many eggs in a small sample size basket. Shit is hard to know. |
|
|
|
Post by Cabutan on Jan 25, 2024 14:20:19 GMT -5
you are right but wasnt he a rookie or second year player something like that? Time flies. Yup and he played overall very well. But hes not a complete player, and thats how people get overrated (play well in a short sample size when eyes are on, 2 notable examples: playoffs and march madness tourney) We've gotten bit biting tournament darlings. Guy has a mediocre year but plays well in the march madness tourney and team makes a run, so he gets drafted higher and it turns out hes not bad but where he would have went before a quality (but small) sample of games (with a lot of eyebalss) was more in-line. Its hard to know. If a guy plays good in reg season but great in playoffs (pro or college) - how much of that is "hes got that clutch gene" (repeatable) and how much of it is he just got hot at a good time and he's getting overhyped based on a small sample. Works the other way too. Sometimes guys can go cold in playoffs (college or otherwise) and have their hype-factor go down too far. Sometimes its the dude has the choke gene sometimes its putting too many eggs in a small sample size basket. Shit is hard to know. I think you perfectly described the overall of a players upside/tendencies/heart. And you perfectly described Tatum along the way. Great in college, very good during regular season. A non factor in the playoffs. |
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Feb 1, 2024 21:55:59 GMT -5
The Grizzlies are trading center Steven Adams to the Rockets in exchange for Victor Oladipo and three second-round picks, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski (Twitter link). Adams is out for the season with a knee injury while Oladipo is also battling a long-term left patellar tendon injury.
Memphis is indeed using the Morant DPE to acquire Oladipo, generating a $12.6MM trade exception.
That TPE could get them a Gordon Hayward if he gets a buyout ...
|
|
|
|
Post by kdp59 on Feb 2, 2024 9:32:30 GMT -5
can't use a TPE for a free agent though, so a big no on that part.
BUT, since Memphis is now selling for this year my made up trade for spitting out coffee the other day is closer than ever!
for those who forgot:
Jrue to Memphis for Mah-cus and Brandon Clarke
choke on that one for a bit, LOL.
|
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Feb 2, 2024 13:52:27 GMT -5
can't use a TPE for a free agent though, so a big no on that part. BUT, since Memphis is now selling for this year my made up trade for spitting out coffee the other day is closer than ever! for those who forgot: Jrue to Memphis for Mah-cus and Brandon Clarke choke on that one for a bit, LOL.
He can be plucked from the waiver wire before passing thru and becoming a FA ... Right?
BEHOLD:
Waiver claims are something of a rarity in the NBA. In order to claim a player off waivers, a team generally must be able to fit the player’s entire salary into cap room, a traded player exception, or a disabled player exception.
|
|
|
|
Post by kdp59 on Feb 3, 2024 8:59:46 GMT -5
not sure I understand, I thought you were talking about Hayward and his $30M plus salary?
my bad.
|
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Feb 3, 2024 11:37:03 GMT -5
not sure I understand, I thought you were talking about Hayward and his $30M plus salary? my bad.
In a buyout CHA is unlikely to pay down the entire contract. So when he hits the waiver wire, the portion of his contract remaining will be available to any takers. If no team bites and he clears then he becomes a FA.
Because he was over the MLE, an acquirer needs room under the cap or a TPE to acquire him on waivers. If he hits the wire at say $12MM then their TPE works. That means CHA would need to buyout $18MM of the $30MM contract of course half is already been paid so they'd only need to buyout another $3-5MM to get him there.
|
|
|
|
Post by kdp59 on Feb 4, 2024 8:42:32 GMT -5
I've never seen a buy out work like that.
when a player accepts a buy out , I thought the rest of the contract was voided.
|
|
|
|
Post by cole on Feb 4, 2024 9:11:25 GMT -5
I've never seen a buy out work like that. when a player accepts a buy out , I thought the rest of the contract was voided. If they didn't get rehired that would be true. But if rehired the new team picks up the balance. |
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Feb 4, 2024 12:28:17 GMT -5
I've never seen a buy out work like that. when a player accepts a buy out , I thought the rest of the contract was voided. If they didn't get rehired that would be true. But if rehired the new team picks up the balance.
You nailed it ... took the words out of my mouth!
In fact, that's why it takes a few days to clear waivers. Another team could be willing to pick up that remainder due but if no team does after that holding period then the old team is on the hook for the balance and player becomes a FA.
My reference to that TPE was that it's enough to make pursuing Hayward doable (more than MLE) as well as it s/b enough to cover any balance due after the buy down. If you're gonna lose the TPE come July, might as well use it for Hayward as a rental and potential FA vet minimum signing going forward.
|
|
|
|
Post by cole on Feb 4, 2024 14:16:35 GMT -5
Whatever I know about nba contracts I picked up from this forum (or bdc). I used to think Fierce seemed informed on contract stuff.
|
|
|
|
Post by kdp59 on Feb 4, 2024 16:00:55 GMT -5
not what this says.. www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/02/hoops-rumors-glossary-buyouts-3.htmlthe key part? In the very unlikely event that a bought-out player is claimed on waivers, the buyout agreement between him and his previous team is no longer necessary — since his new team is taking on his original contract, his old team will no longer owe him a single cent or carry his old cap hit. That’s essentially the most efficient possible form of buyout for the player’s old team. |
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Feb 4, 2024 18:10:11 GMT -5
not what this says.. www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/02/hoops-rumors-glossary-buyouts-3.htmlthe key part? In the very unlikely event that a bought-out player is claimed on waivers, the buyout agreement between him and his previous team is no longer necessary — since his new team is taking on his original contract, his old team will no longer owe him a single cent or carry his old cap hit. That’s essentially the most efficient possible form of buyout for the player’s old team.
I always thought that the original team was off the hook for the portion they were still paying after the reduction agreed to by both parties. never knew it reverted back to the entire contract and that seems dumb ... talk about discouraging use of waiver pickups and making players whole seems like something the players assoc s/b working to improve.
|
|
|
|
Post by kdp59 on Feb 5, 2024 10:09:09 GMT -5
the whole point of a buy out ( from a players perspective) is to be able to become a free agent and play for a team he wants to. Not to be picked up on the cheap by some other team off waivers.
makes sense to me.
|
|
|
|
Post by kyceltic on Feb 5, 2024 15:02:56 GMT -5
I'd give the Nets a number 1 for a half year of Lonnie Walker, and do whatever it takes to sign him long term! I'm starting not to trust my man Pritchard! And if we don't win a title this year, I'm not sure they will want to bring Holiday back!
|
|
|
|
Post by kdp59 on Feb 5, 2024 21:00:55 GMT -5
I'd give the Nets a number 1 for a half year of Lonnie Walker, and do whatever it takes to sign him long term! I'm starting not to trust my man Pritchard! And if we don't win a title this year, I'm not sure they will want to bring Holiday back! trouble is, even IF they would let Jrue walk next year, then at BEST Boston might have the taxpaying MLE to use ( if under the second apron). so they could only pay Walker that next year. and have lost a FRP to boot. pretty high price to me for Walker |
|
|
|
Post by kdp59 on Feb 5, 2024 21:04:42 GMT -5
Celtics are in box with the over all salary now and there really is no good way out until they decide to move one of the top paid players (Brown or Tatum).
draft picks, vet minimums are about it moving forward.
no MLE or trades for players with higher salarys moving forward.
|
|
|
|
Post by kyceltic on Feb 5, 2024 22:04:03 GMT -5
I'd give the Nets a number 1 for a half year of Lonnie Walker, and do whatever it takes to sign him long term! I'm starting not to trust my man Pritchard! And if we don't win a title this year, I'm not sure they will want to bring Holiday back! trouble is, even IF they would let Jrue walk next year, then at BEST Boston might have the taxpaying MLE to use ( if under the second apron). so they could only pay Walker that next year. and have lost a FRP to boot. pretty high price to me for Walker Walker may help bring us a ring, our 1st round pick will more than likely never play! |
|
|
|
Post by cole on Feb 5, 2024 22:54:05 GMT -5
trouble is, even IF they would let Jrue walk next year, then at BEST Boston might have the taxpaying MLE to use ( if under the second apron). so they could only pay Walker that next year. and have lost a FRP to boot. pretty high price to me for Walker Walker may help bring us a ring, our 1st round pick will more than likely never play! Until he gets to Indiana |
|
