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Post by croc on Nov 8, 2023 9:57:08 GMT -5
I think the players had a big role in this. JB takes a step back 3 when all they needed was a 2. He's a good 2 point shooter. They do need muscle inside. ...And there's Theis nailed to the Pacers bench. He may not be the solution, but he'd help. JB needs muscle inside too.... but not between his ears.
Pud
Agreed
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 8, 2023 10:35:38 GMT -5
Got another big one tonight vs. Philly! Will White play? Will Jrue drop his Marcus Smart imitation? Will we go to Porzingis more often tonight? Will Pritchard find his shot? Will anyone be able to slow Embiid? We shell see in a few hours!!
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 8, 2023 11:14:17 GMT -5
To put things in perspective. Julian Strawther, rookie (wouldnt play a minute under the Celtics system), scores 21 points in 19 mins to help denver beat new orleans.
Denver does it. Good teams do it. Yet we are stuck in old ways. We are up 30 and we are playing starters.
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Post by puddin on Nov 8, 2023 11:26:27 GMT -5
Got another big one tonight vs. Philly! Will White play? Will Jrue drop his Marcus Smart imitation?Will we go to Porzingis more often tonight? Will Pritchard find his shot? Will anyone be able to slow Embiid? We shell see in a few hours!! Could be that Holiday is a rich man's Smarticus..... (minus the DPOY award of course)... and paid twice as much.
Pud
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 8, 2023 11:29:22 GMT -5
To put things in perspective. Julian Strawther, rookie (wouldnt play a minute under the Celtics system), scores 21 points in 19 mins to help denver beat new orleans. Denver does it. Good teams do it. Yet we are stuck in old ways. We are up 30 and we are playing starters. I was really wanting the Celtics to use that 25th pick and draft Strawther, but we traded it for about 4 second round picks.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 8, 2023 12:07:22 GMT -5
To put things in perspective. Julian Strawther, rookie (wouldnt play a minute under the Celtics system), scores 21 points in 19 mins to help denver beat new orleans. Denver does it. Good teams do it. Yet we are stuck in old ways. We are up 30 and we are playing starters. I was really wanting the Celtics to use that 25th pick and draft Strawther, but we traded it for about 4 second round picks. good eye! But notice the development approach. Maybe Strawther is a better player. Maybe Walsh has a bigger upside. Whatever the case is, one gets a chance. The other, just like the majority of our picks, goes to a wait and see.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 8, 2023 13:23:48 GMT -5
Strawther, who is 21 (Walsh is 19) - had a good preseason. And was the logical next man up to get some extended minutes after Jamal murray's injury. With his 19 mins last night, his season average minutes played increaseed to a whopping 10. He will continue to get minutes because it appears that Jamal Murray is going to be out for a while. But when they were at full strength, he was getting like 7 mins/night.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 8, 2023 13:25:55 GMT -5
NBA prospects just dont get a ton of minutes on good teams. Unless there are injuries.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 8, 2023 13:27:38 GMT -5
Injuries can be a blessing in disguise.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 8, 2023 13:29:33 GMT -5
NBA prospects just dont get a ton of minutes on good teams. Unless there are injuries. we can come up with hypothetical injuries for this celtics team, chances for a rookie to crack that rotation are very slim. It takes a confident club like denver, that trusts their players from 1 to 15, to give a rookie a chance. I believe denver is not the only team.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 8, 2023 13:36:11 GMT -5
NBA prospects just dont get a ton of minutes on good teams. Unless there are injuries. we can come up with hypothetical injuries for this celtics team, chances for a rookie to crack that rotation are very slim. It takes a confident club like denver, that trusts their players from 1 to 15, to give a rookie a chance. I believe denver is not the only team. There is nothing hypothetical about Jamal Murrays injury. Of course, if someone on the celtics got hurt, youd see guys further down on the depth chart get more minutes. Grant Williams played 15 mins/game his rookie year, despite struggling for most of it. Rozier got 17/game his second year. Pritchard got 19 mins/game his rookie season. So Im not seeing this absolute aversion to give youngsters a chance.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 8, 2023 13:36:55 GMT -5
NBA prospects just dont get a ton of minutes on good teams. Unless there are injuries. we can come up with hypothetical injuries for this celtics team, chances for a rookie to crack that rotation are very slim. It takes a confident club like denver, that trusts their players from 1 to 15, to give a rookie a chance. I believe denver is not the only team. On this team, yes. Because we dont have a promising rookie who is ready now.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 8, 2023 13:39:17 GMT -5
Just for clarification: I think there is some truth to the notion that the Celtics should develop more. But Im not in the camp of thinking we are awful at it or an extreme example once you normalize for talent. You have to take talent into account, and bad teams can give more minutes to develop teh Nesmiths. Strawther got his chance directly because of Jamals injury.
Now if someone goes down, and we struggle to replace - of course, Id be wishing we had a promising rookie to plug in.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 8, 2023 13:51:11 GMT -5
And draft strategy plays a part. For the last 4-5ish years the Celtics have fancied themselves contenders and for good reason. We've been playing meaningful postseason games. So when they draft- they generally look for someone who can help in the short term. Generally guys who have played a few years at NCAA. Like Pritch/GWill. Strawther, at 21, is kind of old for a first round pick. Usually the 19 year olds go in the first. Because teams chase that upside. SO maybe the Nugs did what we have done in the past and go with a guy a little older but can help you in the short term. ANd its paying off for them, sure.
And we got away from that this recent draft. Going with a 19 year old. ANd maybe that was the mistake. Id like to have Strawther. I like his 6'6 size because you can play him at multiple positions and increase the coverage/insurance he would provide (vs a strict PG or C only player who would only get a chance if you have an injury to their exact position), but Strawther can back up multiple positions and to me that (in addition to being a little older) makes him a good pick for a team like the Nugs and Celts.
Like I often go back to, its a trend we are seeing. 6'6 guys use to be considered "tweeners" and teams would avoid. "Hes too big to be a guard, not big enough to be a forward". People were saying this when we drafted Brown. But trends change, and these versatile bodies are now sought after, and for good reason. Id like to have Strawther.
And I bet if we had him, he would have gotten some minutes these last 2 games w White out. Maybe not as many as he got last night w the Nugs because I think its too early to pull the plug on PP so I think even w Strawther they would have given most of those extra minutes (w white out) to PP. But Strawther would have likely gotten some.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 8, 2023 14:14:08 GMT -5
Just for clarification: I think there is some truth to the notion that the Celtics should develop more. But Im not in the camp of thinking we are awful at it or an extreme example once you normalize for talent. You have to take talent into account, and bad teams can give more minutes to develop teh Nesmiths. Strawther got his chance directly because of Jamals injury. Now if someone goes down, and we struggle to replace - of course, Id be wishing we had a promising rookie to plug in. Not very aware with Denvers full roster but I am pretty sure there are some veterans on that team that could have played for JMurray. Why the rookie though? lets face it, Mazzulla would have not done it.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 8, 2023 14:18:45 GMT -5
Now that I think of it. Last years playoffs, Christian Braun got his chance as well. No injuries I believe. We are talking about rookies drafted in the mid 20's.
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Post by Admin on Nov 8, 2023 14:25:26 GMT -5
Got another big one tonight vs. Philly! Will White play?Will Jrue drop his Marcus Smart imitation? Will we go to Porzingis more often tonight? Will Pritchard find his shot? Will anyone be able to slow Embiid? We shell see in a few hours!!
You know what I say about "probable."
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 8, 2023 14:33:44 GMT -5
Now that I think of it. Last years playoffs, Christian Braun got his chance as well. No injuries I believe. We are talking about rookies drafted in the mid 20's. And maybe they just draft better than us!
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Post by cole on Nov 8, 2023 14:56:11 GMT -5
Janos @isjanosnba · Nov 6 game is stink and we are loose on wolf and soup is go trash i am piss this perform . If wolf was have any fan they would laugh on me i glad they are have none .
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 8, 2023 15:06:35 GMT -5
Janos @isjanosnba · Nov 6 game is stink and we are loose on wolf and soup is go trash i am piss this perform . If wolf was have any fan they would laugh on me i glad they are have none . I'm starting to like him!
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Post by cole on Nov 8, 2023 15:09:05 GMT -5
People's comments are funny too, like "this is your most important work yet, Janos"
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 8, 2023 15:10:01 GMT -5
Just for clarification: I think there is some truth to the notion that the Celtics should develop more. But Im not in the camp of thinking we are awful at it or an extreme example once you normalize for talent. You have to take talent into account, and bad teams can give more minutes to develop teh Nesmiths. Strawther got his chance directly because of Jamals injury. Now if someone goes down, and we struggle to replace - of course, Id be wishing we had a promising rookie to plug in. Not very aware with Denvers full roster but I am pretty sure there are some veterans on that team that could have played for JMurray. Why the rookie though? lets face it, Mazzulla would have not done it. Its hard to know w certainty what mazz would do because we havent had been in a position where we had a quality rookie (we've been trading our picks). But I do see your point that we can assume that the rook wasnt the only option in Denver and your implication is kind of like "dont act like it was obvious to give the rookie the mins. That deserves a pat on the back to coach malone and i dont think mazz would have done that" but yes - i see your point that malone deserves some cred for giving him a shot and I also see Kys point he deserves some cred for selecting him. Im not 100% sure that mazz wouldnt have done it, but brad would have traded the pick anyways. hahaha And I dont hate that. And thats prob where you and i disagree cab, and thats fine. I say, if you are in a championship window - trade those picks!
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 8, 2023 15:16:56 GMT -5
Janos @isjanosnba · Nov 6 game is stink and we are loose on wolf and soup is go trash i am piss this perform . If wolf was have any fan they would laugh on me i glad they are have none . whats he referencing w "soup"? Is that like a random aside? As in : not only did we lose to the wolves but this soup i ordered is trash. Or is it a reference to something in game? Like maybe by "soup" he means mesh of players? As in right mix/chemistry?
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 8, 2023 15:19:49 GMT -5
I can see talking about a good on-paper team with disappointing results as bad soup. As in , the players are good individual players but the mix isnt right. So good ingredients but bad soup. But Im not sure if thats what Janos is referring to.
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Post by cole on Nov 8, 2023 15:24:41 GMT -5
Janos @isjanosnba · Nov 6 game is stink and we are loose on wolf and soup is go trash i am piss this perform . If wolf was have any fan they would laugh on me i glad they are have none . whats he referencing w "soup"? Is that like a random aside? As in : not only did we lose to the wolves but this soup i ordered is trash. Or is it a reference to something in game? Like maybe by "soup" he means mesh of players? As in right mix/chemistry? Soup is what he calls the game. It's ongoing.
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