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Post by Cabutan on Nov 7, 2023 12:29:26 GMT -5
really? What do we need now? Franchise players as bench players? I thought bench players feed of from the starters energy, leadership. Oh well. We might have to increase our spending and start getting franchise players for our bench in order to win. Thats unheard of I think we can and will add a bench player or 2 using grants TPE and second round picks. But there are some guys Id like to see get a shot, Banton comes to mind. banton, svi. Someone. But we got bench. We just need to give them the confidence. Feel them valuable and useful to the team. We dont do a good job at that.
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 7, 2023 12:37:30 GMT -5
This is getting interesting. So. Anthony Edwards is the guy eh? I like him. I think he is pure heart and lots of talent. But. I thought Tatum was all that? What am i missing? 🍿 You're missing the part where Tatum is better than Edwards.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 7, 2023 12:45:04 GMT -5
This is getting interesting. So. Anthony Edwards is the guy eh? I like him. I think he is pure heart and lots of talent. But. I thought Tatum was all that? What am i missing? 🍿 You're missing the part where Tatum is better than Edwards. haaaa it had to be you the brave one to say it. I like that!
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Post by puddin on Nov 7, 2023 12:46:15 GMT -5
A loss to the resurgent (5-1) 76ers on Weds...
....and we super stoked fans (our unshakable confidence levels being 10 miles wide and an inch deep) will be running toward the exits demanding the Cs sign really, really, REALLY quality options coming off the bench.
Pud
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 7, 2023 13:04:58 GMT -5
A loss to the resurgent (5-1) 76ers on Weds...
....and we super stoked fans (our unshakable confidence levels being 10 miles wide and an inch deep) will be running toward the exits demanding the Cs sign really, really, REALLY quality options coming off the bench.
Pud
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Post by hedleylamarr on Nov 7, 2023 13:14:56 GMT -5
It's early. Brad has to see what we have on our roster first. They will all get a chance to play. After our top 6, anyone who steps up will get minutes. Kornet has actually been our best bench player the last two games. Scoring off the bench is what we need. I was hoping after pre-season that PP would be that guy. He isn't yet. I'm not too worried, Brad is all in this year, and if our current bench doesn't produce, he WILL find us someone who can score for our second unit.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 7, 2023 13:20:16 GMT -5
It's early. Brad has to see what we have on our roster first. They will all get a chance to play. After our top 6, anyone who steps up will get minutes. Kornet has actually been our best bench player the last two games. Scoring off the bench is what we need. I was hoping after pre-season that PP would be that guy. He isn't yet. I'm not too worried, Brad is all in this year, and if our current bench doesn't produce, he WILL find us someone who can score for our second unit. PP only took 3 shots.
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 7, 2023 13:25:47 GMT -5
I think we can and will add a bench player or 2 using grants TPE and second round picks. But there are some guys Id like to see get a shot, Banton comes to mind. banton, svi. Someone. But we got bench. We just need to give them the confidence. Feel them valuable and useful to the team. We dont do a good job at that. Thats fair. Like how does PP have 2 games in a row with 0 points. Run a couple plays designed to get him a high % looks, let him see the ball go through the hoop, get out of a head funk , build some confidence. And dont be surprised if it helps him make a couple 3s later in the game. Regardless if its PP, Banton, Svi - help these guys (by running plays for them).
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 7, 2023 13:27:48 GMT -5
It's early. Brad has to see what we have on our roster first. They will all get a chance to play. After our top 6, anyone who steps up will get minutes. Kornet has actually been our best bench player the last two games. Scoring off the bench is what we need. I was hoping after pre-season that PP would be that guy. He isn't yet. I'm not too worried, Brad is all in this year, and if our current bench doesn't produce, he WILL find us someone who can score for our second unit. PP only took 3 shots. Thats on him firstly, and on Mazz second. I disagree with your implications (maybe not this post) that its the Jays. Maybe it is a little bit of that (having high volume scorers) but the best players in the league are going to be high volume scorers. Its on PP and Mazz to get PP involved. And sure a little on the Jays, but I personally think you allocate too much blame their way (not trying to get into a heated back and forth - just stating my thoughts on the matter)
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Post by drewski6 on Nov 7, 2023 13:29:58 GMT -5
A loss to the resurgent (5-1) 76ers on Weds...
....and we super stoked fans (our unshakable confidence levels being 10 miles wide and an inch deep) will be running toward the exits demanding the Cs sign really, really, REALLY quality options coming off the bench.
Pud
Or we'll simply view it as 2 consecutive road losses to decent-to-better teams. But of course , the negative nancies will scream vindication.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 7, 2023 13:39:13 GMT -5
Thats on him firstly, and on Mazz second. I disagree with your implications (maybe not this post) that its the Jays. Maybe it is a little bit of that (having high volume scorers) but the best players in the league are going to be high volume scorers. Its on PP and Mazz to get PP involved. And sure a little on the Jays, but I personally think you allocate too much blame their way (not trying to get into a heated back and forth - just stating my thoughts on the matter) i just think that JT and JB will get their fair share of shots. Without a doubt. But put it this way Drew, there are 82 games. If you are the captain, co captain, coach assistant whatever, wouldnt you want your team/teammates to contribute early on so when the playoffs begin, they are ready to do so? The only way to do that is by sharing it. Put the bench players on the spot. Make them contribute. Force them to shoot. We dont do a good job on that. If we did, guaranteed we would have wont it all long time ago.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 7, 2023 13:41:36 GMT -5
Thats on him firstly, and on Mazz second. I disagree with your implications (maybe not this post) that its the Jays. Maybe it is a little bit of that (having high volume scorers) but the best players in the league are going to be high volume scorers. Its on PP and Mazz to get PP involved. And sure a little on the Jays, but I personally think you allocate too much blame their way (not trying to get into a heated back and forth - just stating my thoughts on the matter) PP taking only 3 shots cant be on him. I will have to watch it again to see who he was paired with and if he got the ball at all.
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Post by dfries13 on Nov 7, 2023 13:44:59 GMT -5
banton, svi. Someone. But we got bench. We just need to give them the confidence. Feel them valuable and useful to the team. We dont do a good job at that. Thats fair. Like how does PP have 2 games in a row with 0 points. Run a couple plays designed to get him a high % looks, let him see the ball go through the hoop, get out of a head funk , build some confidence. And dont be surprised if it helps him make a couple 3s later in the game. Regardless if its PP, Banton, Svi - help these guys (by running plays for them). Run plays for PP to shoot 25 footers? Nah i'll pass PP's woes arn't just on offense.. His defense is nil The other teams target and ISO him and shoot right over him. PP should be shopped like he wanted.. He made several stupid fouls last night. If we only had offered Woods 3 mil an year he might be here and not in LA.That would eliminate one glaring problem.. Think White being outs hurts? Wait till Horford or Zinger don't suit up we have no one to replace either. You can't play with only two bigs all season especially if one is near 40... On a bright note. Hauser seems to be holding his own and our need for a SF seems like the least of our worries..
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Post by Admin on Nov 7, 2023 14:32:16 GMT -5
banton, svi. Someone. But we got benchby running plays for them. We just need to give them the confidence. Feel them valuable and useful to the team. We dont do a good job at that. Thats fair. Like how does PP have 2 games in a row with 0 points. Run a couple plays designed to get him a high % looks, let him see the ball go through the hoop, get out of a head funk , build some confidence. And dont be surprised if it helps him make a couple 3s later in the game. Regardless if its PP, Banton, Svi - help these guys (by running plays for them).
I wonder if Mazz "runs plays" at all! Witness the final 10 ticks where he defends holding his TO rather than setting up a play to catch the defense on their heels but JB ended up w/ nothing but a 3-ptr as the MN defense was already set up!
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Post by cole on Nov 7, 2023 14:32:32 GMT -5
They played like it was the game of their lives, and we were playing it cool again. They're running back the same team, we still look disjointed.
I'm not worried.
They are an awesome defensive team, that's for sure.
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Post by puddin on Nov 7, 2023 14:38:34 GMT -5
A loss to the resurgent (5-1) 76ers on Weds...
....and we super stoked fans (our unshakable confidence levels being 10 miles wide and an inch deep) will be running toward the exits demanding the Cs sign really, really, REALLY quality options coming off the bench.
Pud
Or we'll simply view it as 2 consecutive road losses to decent-to-better teams. But of course , the negative nancies will scream vindication. Last year the Cs started out like a house afire and then the wheels came off.
This season, the Cs have loaded up on adding talent, no question, but they may have paid too much to acquire that talent.
Expectations are super high and that can be a real burden to carry thru a very long season for a team w/o established championship credentials.
Money can buy lots of nice, flashy playthings but it rarely buys a title.
Dedication.... hard work.... character..... discipline.... heartbreak that generates resolve.... and good luck more likely gets it done.
Pud
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Post by dfries13 on Nov 7, 2023 15:57:43 GMT -5
Thats fair. Like how does PP have 2 games in a row with 0 points. Run a couple plays designed to get him a high % looks, let him see the ball go through the hoop, get out of a head funk , build some confidence. And dont be surprised if it helps him make a couple 3s later in the game. Regardless if its PP, Banton, Svi - help these guys (by running plays for them).
I wonder if Mazz "runs plays" at all! Witness the final 10 ticks where he defends holding his TO rather than setting up a play to catch the defense on their heels but JB ended up w/ nothing but a 3-ptr as the MN defense was already set up!
Give Mazz some time this was just his second game with Smart Glasses. Owners of the Ray-Ban Meta smart glasses can activate Meta AI by saying, "Hey Meta," and dictating what they need done AI works great for those folks who are mentally challenged.
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 7, 2023 21:22:39 GMT -5
we aint all that is right. I cant wait for a celtics team that plays like a team. Tired of all these ISO BS
B Robb noticed as well ...
Boston had a chance to win the game on the final possession of regulation, a missed isolation 3-point shot by Jaylen Brown. That sequences along with a pivotal two minute stretch in overtime showcased some of the troubling habits that the Celtics likely hoped they kicked to the curb this year. Instead, against their toughest opponent of the year, Boston ended up making life hard on themselves in a familiar way as Minnesota ran away with the game in the extra frame with a 9-0 run.
A few areas to watch as the Celtics try to make the leap in these pivotal late-game moments.
Timeout management
This was a common refrain all last year for Joe Mazzulla in key spots. There were no quibbles with any moves from the coach before tonight when it came to late-game timeouts and he made a few savvy moves late in regulation (hack-a-Rudy Gobert worked perfectly). With that said, leaving a timeout in his pocket at the end of regulation was questionable. The Celtics had no advantage in the half court with 10 seconds left as Jaylen Brown dribbled down the clock. In a tie game, Mazzulla should want something better than an isolation 3-point shot from Brown. Minnesota is a tough defense so it’s worth seeing what the team can draw up in those spots.
The more puzzling choice was perhaps the lack of a timeout during the Wolves 9-0 run in overtime that won the game for the hosts. Maybe it was a “test” for this new group to see how they would respond to the adversity but the team wasn’t producing any good looks during that stretch while Edwards roasted Porzingis and Horford in switches on three straight possessions. Mixing it up on either end in that spot wouldn’t have hurt.
Isolation heavy
The Celtics stars carried the scoring load all night for Boston but when the lights turned brightest in overtime, Tatum, Brown and Jrue Holiday all tried to put together a one-man show. The trio combined for four misses in isolation spots along with two turnovers during the Wolves 9-0 run with little passing to be found. It’s one thing to try to exploit subpar defenders on the Wizards and Pacers in 1-on-1 situations. The Wolves are the No. 1 defense in the NBA and can put up a fight in those spots. The Celtics tried to do things themselves a little too much and it led to a 2-of-7 shooting showing OT.
Forgetting about Kristaps Porzingis
Remember that third-scoring weapon the Celtics acquired this offseason? The Celtics stars seemed to forgot about his existence late in this one as the 7-foot-3 big man failed to even attempt a shot in fourth quarter and overtime. Porzingis battled foul trouble for a chunk of the night but he had size mismatches available late in this game particularly once Karl Anthony Towns fouled out. However, the big man barely even got a touch in a half court set through the first four minutes of overtime as Boston’s ball movement and unpredictability faded away.
The net result was the worst offensive performance of the year for Boston with just 99.1 points per 100 possessions. Porzingis had his struggles on the defensive end in crunch time against McDaniels and Edwards, which is going to happen against versatile wings all year long on switches. The Celtics need to be able to make teams pay on the other end with him to make up for those faults but he stayed uninvolved when it mattered most.
Ultimately, the Celtics are still in a great spot despite the early season loss at 5-1. Monday’s old habits resurfacing was a remainder that there’s plenty of work to be done to sustain themselves as a top-level contender.
Seriously?...wth?...
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 7, 2023 21:35:43 GMT -5
Thats on him firstly, and on Mazz second. I disagree with your implications (maybe not this post) that its the Jays. Maybe it is a little bit of that (having high volume scorers) but the best players in the league are going to be high volume scorers. Its on PP and Mazz to get PP involved. And sure a little on the Jays, but I personally think you allocate too much blame their way (not trying to get into a heated back and forth - just stating my thoughts on the matter) PP defers all the time to the J's...don't know if he is told to do this or he is just trying 'not to fail'...
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 7, 2023 21:40:42 GMT -5
Thats on him firstly, and on Mazz second. I disagree with your implications (maybe not this post) that its the Jays. Maybe it is a little bit of that (having high volume scorers) but the best players in the league are going to be high volume scorers. Its on PP and Mazz to get PP involved. And sure a little on the Jays, but I personally think you allocate too much blame their way (not trying to get into a heated back and forth - just stating my thoughts on the matter) i just think that JT and JB will get their fair share of shots. Without a doubt. But put it this way Drew, there are 82 games. If you are the captain, co captain, coach assistant whatever, wouldnt you want your team/teammates to contribute early on so when the playoffs begin, they are ready to do so? The only way to do that is by sharing it. Put the bench players on the spot. Make them contribute. Force them to shoot. We dont do a good job on that. If we did, guaranteed we would have wont it all long time ago. Totally 100%...our coach is an idiot...no actually he is just in way the heck over his head...what a lame organization...only thing we have is Brad...oh, but wth?...he hired Mazzula...
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 7, 2023 21:42:46 GMT -5
I wonder if Mazz "runs plays" at all! Witness the final 10 ticks where he defends holding his TO rather than setting up a play to catch the defense on their heels but JB ended up w/ nothing but a 3-ptr as the MN defense was already set up!
Give Mazz some time this was just his second game with Smart Glasses. Owners of the Ray-Ban Meta smart glasses can activate Meta AI by saying, "Hey Meta," and dictating what they need done AI works great for those folks who are mentally challenged. View AttachmentYeah, exactly...Mazz was given the keys to a Masserati...not his fault, but he surely was not/is not ready for it...
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Post by dfries13 on Nov 7, 2023 23:34:17 GMT -5
Ah Joe.. Who's side are you on?
Losing is not a lot fun..
"I thought that was a hell of a game," Mazzulla said during his postgame press conference. "It was a lot of fun, it was very competitive, and our opponents are always going to bring the best out of us."
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 8, 2023 5:36:50 GMT -5
Crap...Timelord is having season ending surgery...dang, he is such a fun player to watch when he plays...errr...I feel so bad for him...
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Post by croc on Nov 8, 2023 8:02:25 GMT -5
Give Mazz some time this was just his second game with Smart Glasses. Owners of the Ray-Ban Meta smart glasses can activate Meta AI by saying, "Hey Meta," and dictating what they need done AI works great for those folks who are mentally challenged. View AttachmentYeah, exactly...Mazz was given the keys to a Masserati...not his fault, but he surely was not/is not ready for it... I think the players had a big role in this. JB takes a step back 3 when all they needed was a 2. He's a good 2 point shooter. They do need muscle inside. ...And there's Theis nailed to the Pacers bench. He may not be the solution, but he'd help.
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Post by puddin on Nov 8, 2023 9:43:40 GMT -5
Yeah, exactly...Mazz was given the keys to a Masserati...not his fault, but he surely was not/is not ready for it... I think the players had a big role in this. JB takes a step back 3 when all they needed was a 2. He's a good 2 point shooter. They do need muscle inside. ...And there's Theis nailed to the Pacers bench. He may not be the solution, but he'd help. JB needs muscle inside too.... but not between his ears.
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