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Post by Admin on Jun 23, 2023 18:15:24 GMT -5
Today the latest theory for the Brad Belichick moves last night are another "financial" excuse though more realistic. This one centers around the penalties of the "repeater tax" and this being the best and maybe the last chance to "reset" the consecutive years bar that we have been over. Ok, that makes some sense if you aren't competing for a chip and still too many moves away from challenging then cut some corners to start the "repeater tax" clock over again. But is this a good time to do so? OTOH, I just read this story claiming that Brad was stocking up on picks so he could make another big trade for that PG we need now that we must rely upon White, Brogdon and Pritchard. Some still believe Brogdon will be moved - for that PG or maybe even another Wing or PF. We probably can't expect much for Grant in any S&T other than more 2nd round picks and a large TPE but that could be used for that wing or PF once teams cut down before the season starts. Could Brogdon and a few 1sts with multiple 2nds bring us a new PG? Here's what I just read:
One shocking trade that could be looming for Boston Celtics
by Dylan Thompson
The Boston Celtics have been active this offseason as they have traded Marcus Smart to the Memphis Grizzlies, acquired Kristaps Porzingis from the Washington Wizards, and were active on draft night. The Celtics accumulated four future second-round picks in Thursday’s NBA draft, and it could mean that the team is preparing for a big move.
A big move that could be looming for the Boston Celtics is trading for Atlanta Hawks All-Star guard Dejounte Murray.
The Celtics have been linked to Murray for many years dating back to his days with the San Antonio Spurs. Boston now has a real need at point guard after the Smart trade and because Malcolm Brogdon could be moved as well. Murray has also become available as the Hawks are looking to potentially start a rebuild.
Brad Stevens stockpiling picks makes this interesting because I think he could be making a run at Murray. Why else would Stevens be looking to stack up second-round picks? There has to be a move coming, and I think it could be Murray.
Murray would be a perfect fit for the Celtics because he is a tough-minded guard that is only 26 years old. Murray would be a huge upgrade over Smart, and he would be a true point guard. He also would fit the Celtics’ timeline, and he is on a relatively cheap deal. The only issue would be that Murray and Porzingis would be free agents in 2024, but the Celtics could look to resign both of them or trade one for a better asset.
Dejounte Murray could be a potential Boston Celtics trade steal
I think this move is in play for the Boston Celtics, and I don’t think that they would have to give up much to get him.
Stevens should be on the phone with the Hawks’ front office as soon as humanly possible because adding Murray would make these Celtics the definitive favorite to win the 2024 NBA championship.
Admin Comment: HH has been a bastion of trade ideas the last 3 months or more and I don't usually pay much attention to their wild ideas but this one seems to have some credibility. ATL has been trying to move Hunter ($20MM) who would make a salary swap of contracts with Brogdon but there's no way we pay that for a backup to The Jays. Though I can't understand why the Hawks would want to move off of Murray just 1 season after trading for him using 1st rounders that are yet to be completely paid (2023, 2025 & 2027 1sts with a 2026 1st swap) unless Dejounte and Trae aren't compatible. I have seen that ATL put teams on notice that Tre' was not available but said nothing about Murray's availability. Are they really doing a rebuild again as this report suggests? I don't know but it makes more sense than VanVleet to me or financial flexibility in the middle of a Championship run with the window still open and Porzingis just acquired. Do you suddenly start worrying about the "repeater tax" and pull back your horns rather than go all in with that PG that could put you over the top? We shall see soon enough!
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Post by elvissurfs on Jun 23, 2023 18:24:25 GMT -5
Today the latest theory for the Brad Belichick moves last night are another "financial" excuse though more realistic. This one centers around the penalties of the "repeater tax" and this being the best and maybe the last chance to "reset" the consecutive years bar that we have been over. Ok, that makes some sense if you aren't competing for a chip and still too many moves away from challenging then cut some corners to start the "repeater tax" clock over again. But is this a good time to do so? OTOH, I just read this story claiming that Brad was stocking up on picks so he could make another big trade for that PG we need now that we must rely upon White, Brogdon and Pritchard. Some still believe Brogdon will be moved - for that PG or maybe even another Wing or PF. We probably can't expect much for Grant in any S&T other than more 2nd round picks and a large TPE but that could be used for that wing or PF once teams cut down before the season starts. Could Brogdon and a few 1sts with multiple 2nds bring us a new PG? Here's what I just read:
One shocking trade that could be looming for Boston Celtics
by Dylan Thompson
The Boston Celtics have been active this offseason as they have traded Marcus Smart to the Memphis Grizzlies, acquired Kristaps Porzingis from the Washington Wizards, and were active on draft night. The Celtics accumulated four future second-round picks in Thursday’s NBA draft, and it could mean that the team is preparing for a big move.
A big move that could be looming for the Boston Celtics is trading for Atlanta Hawks All-Star guard Dejounte Murray.
The Celtics have been linked to Murray for many years dating back to his days with the San Antonio Spurs. Boston now has a real need at point guard after the Smart trade and because Malcolm Brogdon could be moved as well. Murray has also become available as the Hawks are looking to potentially start a rebuild.
Brad Stevens stockpiling picks makes this interesting because I think he could be making a run at Murray. Why else would Stevens be looking to stack up second-round picks? There has to be a move coming, and I think it could be Murray.
Murray would be a perfect fit for the Celtics because he is a tough-minded guard that is only 26 years old. Murray would be a huge upgrade over Smart, and he would be a true point guard. He also would fit the Celtics’ timeline, and he is on a relatively cheap deal. The only issue would be that Murray and Porzingis would be free agents in 2024, but the Celtics could look to resign both of them or trade one for a better asset.
Dejounte Murray could be a potential Boston Celtics trade steal
I think this move is in play for the Boston Celtics, and I don’t think that they would have to give up much to get him.
Stevens should be on the phone with the Hawks’ front office as soon as humanly possible because adding Murray would make these Celtics the definitive favorite to win the 2024 NBA championship.
Admin Comment: HH has been a bastion of trade ideas the last 3 months or more and I don't usually pay much attention to their wild ideas but this one seems to have some credibility. ATL has been trying to move Hunter ($20MM) who would make a salary swap of contracts with Brogdon but there's no way we pay that for a backup to The Jays. Though I can't understand why the Hawks would want to move off of Murray just 1 season after trading for him using 1st rounders that are yet to be completely paid (2023, 2025 & 2027 1sts with a 2026 1st swap) unless Dejounte and Trae aren't compatible. I have seen that ATL put teams on notice that Tre' was not available but said nothing about Murray's availability. Are they really doing a rebuild again as this report suggests? I don't know but it makes more sense than VanVleet to me or financial flexibility in the middle of a Championship run with the window still open and Porzingis just acquired. Do you suddenly start worrying about the "repeater tax" and pull back your horns rather than go all in with that PG that could put you over the top? We shall see soon enough!
Well, that might make me a little less pissed off...and then trade Brogdon for a bag of balls... |
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Post by Admin on Jun 23, 2023 18:30:49 GMT -5
We'd be using Brogdon ... ATL would replace Murray with Brogdon and the picks we add would help them replace some picks they still have committed to the Spurs for the trade to get him.
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 23, 2023 18:59:14 GMT -5
We'd be using Brogdon ... ATL would replace Murray with Brogdon and the picks we add would help them replace some picks they still have committed to the Spurs for the trade to get him. I'm more than ok with Murray and he's signed club friendly for 2 years.. I have no clue why the Hawks would want to replace him with Brodgon.. 4 2nd rounds picks? That moves the Hawks? |
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Post by Admin on Jun 23, 2023 20:50:37 GMT -5
We'd be using Brogdon ... ATL would replace Murray with Brogdon and the picks we add would help them replace some picks they still have committed to the Spurs for the trade to get him. I'm more than ok with Murray and he's signed club friendly for 2 years.. I have no clue why the Hawks would want to replace him with Brodgon.. 4 2nd rounds picks? That moves the Hawks?
No, I think I said a few 1sts and a bunch of 2nds ... 2 firsts would offset the two they owe the Spurs. The third is a swap so no adjustment there and 3-4 2nds should get it done as long as they feel that Brogdon would fit better than Murray. Brogdon has 2 yrs remaining so we'd be savinging $4MM per yr but Murray's contract expires next summer so we'd have to extend his to something like what Brogs is getting or deal him.
Why they want to move him? Why are they trying to get the Pacers or Pistons to take Hunter after giving him a 4 yr deal? Could be a new GM wants to rebuild around Trae ... Just reporting what I've read and kind of leery myself until other media pile on the story but by then it's probably too late.
This story blames the new CBA for salary dumps and how the Mavs took advantage on draft night. Here's the Hawk part on Hunter ...
There are still a handful of trade candidates that could be on the move with money matters in mind, most notably in Atlanta. In addition to previously reported dialogue between the Hawks and Pacers about trading forward De’Andre Hunter to Indiana, there were also significant talks between Atlanta and Detroit about moving Hunter to the Pistons, league sources told Yahoo Sports. The Hawks also re-engaged the Jazz about trading John Collins to Utah, sources said, but no deals for Atlanta’s veterans ever materialized.
Let’s see if one of those frameworks comes to fruition further in the summer.
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2023 15:34:05 GMT -5
Here's another media report indicating that the Hawks want to rebuild and everyone is available except Trae:
Celtics Holding Trade Talks With Playoff Rival
By Matt JohnIn his June 20 mock draft, Kevin O’Connor of The Ringer reported that the Celtics are among the teams currently discussing a trade with one of their recent playoff opponents, the Atlanta Hawks. “League sources have connected the Hawks to a whole bunch of teams in trade talks—the Celtics, Mavericks, and Raptors,” O’Connor wrote. O’Connor then added who could potentially be on the move on Atlanta’s side, some of which could interest the Celtics. Collins and Murray are good players who could help the Celtics get over the hump, but that would all depend on who the Celtics would be willing to send back in exchange for them. Coincidentally, the Hawks used Danilo Gallinari to acquire Murray from the San Antonio Spurs last summer.
Admin Comment: Now I don't see how we could get both Collins & Murray unless Brogdon and picks brought back Murray and a S&T flipped Collins our way. Sure we'd be over the 2nd apron but once we've swapped Smart, Brogdon & Grant Williams for Porzingis, Collins & Murray is there any reason to worry about the MLE or a hard cap? Will there be repeater & luxury taxes? YOU BET but there could also be BANNER 18 on the horizon too!
I think not!
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2023 15:47:10 GMT -5
So I tried the ESPN Trade Machine to see if it was possible to get either or both Murray & Collins. I couldn't process Grant with a $20MM S&T but since Smart & Muscala were still options (as ESPN hasn't yet updated their data base) I used them at around $21MM combined for Grant.
Here's the result: Actually we don't even need to include Muscala so Grant can get us Murray for a S&T at $17MM which is closer to what he wanted than the $13MM we already offered as an extension. Hey Wyc! You want to play ya have to pay for that next chip.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 24, 2023 19:29:28 GMT -5
one Problem grant going to Atlanta in a sign and trade would hard cep them and they are already over that number.
fans have not gotten the memo, but that second tax line is basically a hard cap, in the future. Teams know it, which is why they are dumping over paid players now
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Post by croc on Jun 24, 2023 20:21:12 GMT -5
one Problem grant going to Atlanta in a sign and trade would hard cep them and they are already over that number. fans have not gotten the memo, but that second tax line is basically a hard cap, in the future. Teams know it, which is why they are dumping over paid players now Ya I think that's one reason they are looking to trade Brogdan. I see him going for picks or a young player. Brogdan isn't overpaid. Celts aren't alone. This could wind up being a war on the NBA middleclass, at least short-term. |
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 25, 2023 7:30:48 GMT -5
this is the first year of NBA teams "correcting" their salary caps. we will see less teams paying good players "great" money I think from now on. contracts like Tobias Harris for instance, guys that are 3rd options on teams will not be getting those type deals from now on. that alone will solve many of the issues for teams skirting with the second tax line, IMO. with that said here is a good piece about bad contacts last year hoopshype.com/lists/most-overpaid-players-nba-2022-23-towns-gobert-westbrook-simmons/ |
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Post by Admin on Jun 25, 2023 16:03:40 GMT -5
If you are going for it though, the C's have another season to do so and why not go all in for that 1 season using Brogdon for Collins or Hunter then the S&T of Grant for Murray? If Grant for Murray is your final move then who cares if we become hard capped? Just have all your other tweaks done ... J Green, RJ Hampton, T Bryant instead of Kornet etc
Hawks OTOH have a mandate by their owner to get under the apron now:
They would save $ going with Grant for Hunter or Collins but Brogdon for Murray adds $4MM/yr. The C's can send cash or a 3rd team (Clippers?) could be brought back in to take Brogdon for Morris Sr.
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Post by croc on Jun 25, 2023 16:53:02 GMT -5
It sounds like they're doing it this year.
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Post by Admin on Jun 25, 2023 17:04:11 GMT -5
Where are you hearing this?
and why the dealing with Hawks?
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Post by croc on Jun 25, 2023 17:10:26 GMT -5
Where are you hearing this? and why the dealing with Hawks? I've heard it from Koralis. BRobb is hedging that way in his comments on 98.5. KDP here. ...Not sure what they're doing with the Hawks. They'll have to do it soon or be hard capped as I understand it. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 25, 2023 17:30:48 GMT -5
When the moratorium ends (7/6th) the new cap goes into effect and FAs can be officially signed.
So Brad has until 7/6th (midnight) to work out any other trades. He can sign vet minimum and use any exceptions they may have (trade or BAE) as well until that date.
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