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Post by drewski6 on Jun 14, 2023 9:26:22 GMT -5
this was my thinking. Mazz seemed too headstrong like he knew it all that he probably was resistant to any assistant coaching advice. He appeared to never second-guess or question a decision until the playoffs. No assistant wants to be around a guy like that who has less coaching experience than do them. Also, a lot of folks here have said Mazz was Brad's puppet as HC. If that is remotely true, then assistants were likely to not stick around. We'll see how Lee and Cassell work with Mazz. Hopefully Mazz will have learned from this first year to rely more on the assistants. Mazz is no phenom. So it is clear that Brad has installed his "manchurian candidate". Brad has made some nice trades, but not supporting the double big lineup we had success with, who Denver just won with, is the reason Brad needs to go. You can't mimic the Golden State Warriors and expect to score consistently. Brad is not going to change his 3 bombing religion. This is why he needs to go. I dont see it like this. Gordon defend the rim 40-45% of the time andis especially versatile on D, and usually plays the role of on ball stopper (which isnt a C, defensively). Jokic does play more of a typical C role defensively. But hes not very good at it. When you look at a players fg% at the rim w Jokic down there playing D vs that same players fg% at the rim (against all defenders) - they do better vs Jokic (hes in the BOTTOM 60%). Jokic is of course a versatile player. Maybe not so much defensively, but overall - he's a point-center. Gordon is also extremely versatile. He passes, scores offensively and plays positionless defensively. I would say they are an example of a team finding success bucking the whole dated notion of positional basketball. As are the Heat. Shit changes. Teams that have embraced that have faired much better over the lack decade.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 14, 2023 9:26:44 GMT -5
Im 100% on team: run it back.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 14, 2023 19:04:40 GMT -5
Mazz is no phenom. So it is clear that Brad has installed his "manchurian candidate". Brad has made some nice trades, but not supporting the double big lineup we had success with, who Denver just won with, is the reason Brad needs to go. You can't mimic the Golden State Warriors and expect to score consistently. Brad is not going to change his 3 bombing religion. This is why he needs to go. I dont see it like this. Gordon defend the rim 40-45% of the time andis especially versatile on D, and usually plays the role of on ball stopper (which isnt a C, defensively). Jokic does play more of a typical C role defensively. But hes not very good at it. When you look at a players fg% at the rim w Jokic down there playing D vs that same players fg% at the rim (against all defenders) - they do better vs Jokic (hes in the BOTTOM 60%). Jokic is of course a versatile player. Maybe not so much defensively, but overall - he's a point-center. Gordon is also extremely versatile. He passes, scores offensively and plays positionless defensively. I would say they are an example of a team finding success bucking the whole dated notion of positional basketball. As are the Heat. Shit changes. Teams that have embraced that have faired much better over the lack decade. Here's the thing, small ball only wins against small ball. It clearly does not win against good big teams. Embiid forces a game 7 because we can't guard him. Jokic dominates the entire league on the whole because every team is trotting out an under 6-10 to guard him.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 15, 2023 10:37:32 GMT -5
I dont see it like this. Gordon defend the rim 40-45% of the time andis especially versatile on D, and usually plays the role of on ball stopper (which isnt a C, defensively). Jokic does play more of a typical C role defensively. But hes not very good at it. When you look at a players fg% at the rim w Jokic down there playing D vs that same players fg% at the rim (against all defenders) - they do better vs Jokic (hes in the BOTTOM 60%). Jokic is of course a versatile player. Maybe not so much defensively, but overall - he's a point-center. Gordon is also extremely versatile. He passes, scores offensively and plays positionless defensively. I would say they are an example of a team finding success bucking the whole dated notion of positional basketball. As are the Heat. Shit changes. Teams that have embraced that have faired much better over the lack decade. Here's the thing, small ball only wins against small ball. It clearly does not win against good big teams. Embiid forces a game 7 because we can't guard him. Jokic dominates the entire league on the whole because every team is trotting out an under 6-10 to guard him. I can easily make an argument that Denver is a small ball team. Porter Jr is 6'10, but hes a spot up shooter only on offense and on defense, they hide him. He has no physicality. No way he would be considered a PF or a C in traditional (as opposed to modern) NBA lineups. Aaron Gordon is 6'8, same height as Tatum - who they use at the 4. He's tough as nails and physical, but defensively - he covers everybody, not just the bigs. With his defensive versatility and lack of ideal height for a C or even PF, he would also be considered a SF in traditional NBA lineups. Jokic's wingspan is average for an NBA center, and he doesnt possess the athleticism to really get up there. Granted he uses his body masterfully. But still, in a traditional NBA lineup he would be viewed more as a PF due to his handling, vision, and versatility. Vs a more traditional Center that is used at the rim who would have more wingspan and athleticism. So you have a C who is more of a modern NBA Center than a traditional Center and 2 guys who would be viewed as SF (and one of them, Porter JR, could even be viewed as a guard through the lens of "traditional" lineups) and 2 guards. They matchup hunt and stress defensive versatility like a modern NBA team. They arent this throw back late 80s / early 90s team that sacrifices versatility, handling, shooting and speed for size. There is a team though, that uses more of a traditional lineup where size is emphasized over versatility. And this team is larger than the Nuggets. The team Im speaking of is the Twolves, and Nuggets beat em 4 games to 1.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 15, 2023 14:14:02 GMT -5
James Edwards: Heard the Celtics — and others — made calls to Detroit asking about Isaiah Stewart. I don’t see the Pistons moving Beef Stew. At all. A lot of teams called Detroit during the 2021 Draft when it landed Stewart. He’s viewed well around the league. – via Twitter JLEdwardsIII Top Rumors, Trade, Isaiah Stewart, Boston Celtics, Detroit Pistons
Celtics looking into trading a guard - Marcus Smart, Malcolm Brogdon, Derrick White or Payton Pritchard - this summer?
The Celtics are particularly loaded in the backcourt with Marcus Smart, Derrick White, Malcolm Brogdon and Payton Pritchard all under contract for next season and the team is investigating moving a guard to improve other areas of the roster per a league source. – via Brian Robb @ Booth Newspapers Top Rumors, Trade, Derrick White, Malcolm Brogdon, Marcus Smart, Payton Pritchard, Boston Celtics
The Celtics may not be in the hunt for big names like Beal ahead of the 2023 NBA Draft but that has not stopped Brad Stevens and the rest of Boston’s front office from seeking out potential upgrades. A league source tells MassLive that the Celtics have been one of the more active teams in the league in trade talks ahead of Thursday’s draft. – via Brian Robb @ Booth Newspapers Brad Stevens, Draft, Trade, Boston Celtics
Things often down work out in ideal fashion, though. The Wizards are too late to trade Beal in hopes of getting a superstar package in return, but there is hope that he could yet rebuild value. “They can’t hurry it,” one Eastern Conference general manager said. “If you’re talking about the market value, it’s as low as it has ever been on Brad. He only plays half your games and he is not playing at the same level he was. There is more risk if you are taking him right now than if you are Washington trading him away. Right now, you can get him for cap relief but you’re not going to a big package of picks. “They’d be better off waiting, let him get on the floor and let him shine a little bit.” – via Sean Deveney @ Heavy.com Trade, Bradley Beal, Washington Wizards
Beal turns 30 next week, and there’s still some belief he can show he is healthy and bolster his trade value. “If I was the one trading for him, I’d be a lot more comfortable doing it after I see him put together some healthy stretches, get his old scoring touch back, really show he is still an All-Star type of player,” the GM said. “Right now, if you trade for him, you are taking that as an article of faith. You’re hoping he can get back to being himself. “I am not giving up three first-rounders for a hope. I want to see that he is still a guy who can go for 30 (points) and 10 (assists) on any given night.” – via Sean Deveney @ Heavy.com Trade, Bradley Beal, Washington Wizards
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 15, 2023 14:30:10 GMT -5
That link didn't work.
I traded Brogdon and Smart to WAS, along with Martin Jr. and PP to HOU.
Beal comes to BOS
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 15, 2023 16:44:33 GMT -5
Veteran forward Danilo Gallinari has exercised his $6.8 million player option to return to the Boston Celtics for the 2023-2024 season, his agent, Michael Tellem of Excel Sports Management, told ESPN on Thursday. After nearly reaching a full recovery from a torn ACL in his left knee that caused him to miss the 2022-23 season, Gallinari will get to make his franchise debut this year in what is expected to be a sizable role for the Celtics. – via Adrian Wojnarowski @ ESPN Top Rumors, Free Agency, Michael Tellem, Danilo Gallinari, Boston Celtics
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 15, 2023 17:31:27 GMT -5
Here's the thing, small ball only wins against small ball. It clearly does not win against good big teams. Embiid forces a game 7 because we can't guard him. Jokic dominates the entire league on the whole because every team is trotting out an under 6-10 to guard him. I can easily make an argument that Denver is a small ball team. Porter Jr is 6'10, but hes a spot up shooter only on offense and on defense, they hide him. He has no physicality. No way he would be considered a PF or a C in traditional (as opposed to modern) NBA lineups. Aaron Gordon is 6'8, same height as Tatum - who they use at the 4. He's tough as nails and physical, but defensively - he covers everybody, not just the bigs. With his defensive versatility and lack of ideal height for a C or even PF, he would also be considered a SF in traditional NBA lineups. Jokic's wingspan is average for an NBA center, and he doesnt possess the athleticism to really get up there. Granted he uses his body masterfully. But still, in a traditional NBA lineup he would be viewed more as a PF due to his handling, vision, and versatility. Vs a more traditional Center that is used at the rim who would have more wingspan and athleticism. So you have a C who is more of a modern NBA Center than a traditional Center and 2 guys who would be viewed as SF (and one of them, Porter JR, could even be viewed as a guard through the lens of "traditional" lineups) and 2 guards. They matchup hunt and stress defensive versatility like a modern NBA team. They arent this throw back late 80s / early 90s team that sacrifices versatility, handling, shooting and speed for size. There is a team though, that uses more of a traditional lineup where size is emphasized over versatility. And this team is larger than the Nuggets. The team Im speaking of is the Twolves, and Nuggets beat em 4 games to 1. What about the TWolves says double big starting lineup? Towns plays like a small forward while we are at it. Edit: I forgot they have Rudy Gobert. So yes they are double big with him and Towns.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 16, 2023 14:03:28 GMT -5
And, according to one prominent rival coach, that may be all the Celtics need to complete their now 15-year search for an 18th banner. “As soon as a team gets knocked out of the playoffs — or doesn’t even make the playoffs — you start hearing about all the changes they need to make,” the coach told Heavy Sports. “Right now, there’s a whole lot of GMs and people with my job that would LOVE to see Boston make a bunch of changes. I mean, are there fans up there actually saying they should break up Brown and Tatum? Are you s***ting me? “Sure, you always hope you can tweak things here or there to try to get better, but right now just about every team in the league would trade its roster for Boston’s straight up.” – via Steve Bulpett @ Heavy.com Trade, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Boston Celtics
And that fact, acknowledged by another coach, two general managers and a scout who spoke to Heavy, is apparently what makes the Celtics’ Game 7 collapse against Miami in the conference finals so hard for the team’s followers so hard to accept. The reviews have been piercing. “When things got tough, they went south,” said a source close to the Heat. “They just went south and didn’t do all the other things that got them there. It’s one thing when you’re missing 3s, but that should get you to dig in harder defensively, and they didn’t. – via Steve Bulpett @ Heavy.com Boston Celtics, Miami Heat
“(The Heat) always felt confident. Even when it got to the point where it was 3-3, they always felt confident that they were going to win — that when it came down to it at nut-crunch time, that they were going to win. They knew they had a couple of games that got away from them, but they still felt they could go into Boston and that, despite everything, through their toughness and versatility and depth, that they could win. They WOULD win. “Their will to win and their toughness and the DNA of the players they have on the court was the difference. They all knew it.” – via Steve Bulpett @ Heavy.com Boston Celtics, Miami Heat
And while this source and others believe it would be foolish to separate Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, there is the strong feeling that the two need to find more ways to support each other’s ability. “Each of them attracts so much attention,” said a GM. “You’d think they’d be more comfortable by now with playing off each other and knowing how to get each other great shots. “I can’t remember too many times when one created for the other — when one made a move, gave it up and the other guy finished. It was always somebody else creating for one of them, and that makes them easier to guard. “Realistically if they didn’t have Derrick White in that last series, they would have lost 4-0.” – via Steve Bulpett @ Heavy.com Derrick White, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Boston Celtics
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Post by cole on Jun 16, 2023 17:50:31 GMT -5
And, according to one prominent rival coach, that may be all the Celtics need to complete their now 15-year search for an 18th banner. “As soon as a team gets knocked out of the playoffs — or doesn’t even make the playoffs — you start hearing about all the changes they need to make,” the coach told Heavy Sports. “Right now, there’s a whole lot of GMs and people with my job that would LOVE to see Boston make a bunch of changes. I mean, are there fans up there actually saying they should break up Brown and Tatum? Are you s***ting me? “Sure, you always hope you can tweak things here or there to try to get better, but right now just about every team in the league would trade its roster for Boston’s straight up.” – via Steve Bulpett @ Heavy.com Trade, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Boston Celtics And that fact, acknowledged by another coach, two general managers and a scout who spoke to Heavy, is apparently what makes the Celtics’ Game 7 collapse against Miami in the conference finals so hard for the team’s followers so hard to accept. The reviews have been piercing. “When things got tough, they went south,” said a source close to the Heat. “They just went south and didn’t do all the other things that got them there. It’s one thing when you’re missing 3s, but that should get you to dig in harder defensively, and they didn’t. – via Steve Bulpett @ Heavy.com Boston Celtics, Miami Heat “(The Heat) always felt confident. Even when it got to the point where it was 3-3, they always felt confident that they were going to win — that when it came down to it at nut-crunch time, that they were going to win. They knew they had a couple of games that got away from them, but they still felt they could go into Boston and that, despite everything, through their toughness and versatility and depth, that they could win. They WOULD win. “Their will to win and their toughness and the DNA of the players they have on the court was the difference. They all knew it.” – via Steve Bulpett @ Heavy.com Boston Celtics, Miami Heat And while this source and others believe it would be foolish to separate Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, there is the strong feeling that the two need to find more ways to support each other’s ability. “Each of them attracts so much attention,” said a GM. “You’d think they’d be more comfortable by now with playing off each other and knowing how to get each other great shots. “I can’t remember too many times when one created for the other — when one made a move, gave it up and the other guy finished. It was always somebody else creating for one of them, and that makes them easier to guard. “Realistically if they didn’t have Derrick White in that last series, they would have lost 4-0.” – via Steve Bulpett @ Heavy.com Derrick White, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Boston Celtics Which I blame on coaching
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 17, 2023 8:04:43 GMT -5
Summarizing what I have read this morning:
The Suns may be interested in Brogdon
White is the least likely of the four guards (White, Smart, PP, Brogdon) to be moved.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 18, 2023 9:08:17 GMT -5
The latest team to have interest in Grant Williams looking ahead to free agency is the Dallas Mavericks, league sources told HoopsHype. It’s worth noting Williams and Mavericks star Luka Doncic are both represented by WME Sports. Another forward the Mavericks are interested in heading toward free agency is Harrison Barnes, league sources told HoopsHype. Barnes previously averaged 18.7 points and 5.2 rebounds in three seasons with Dallas. – via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype Top Rumors, Free Agency, Grant Williams, Harrison Barnes, Luka Doncic, Boston Celtics, Dallas Mavericks, Sacramento Kings
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 18, 2023 15:57:35 GMT -5
The latest team to have interest in Grant Williams looking ahead to free agency is the Dallas Mavericks, league sources told HoopsHype. It’s worth noting Williams and Mavericks star Luka Doncic are both represented by WME Sports. Another forward the Mavericks are interested in heading toward free agency is Harrison Barnes, league sources told HoopsHype. Barnes previously averaged 18.7 points and 5.2 rebounds in three seasons with Dallas. – via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype Top Rumors, Free Agency, Grant Williams, Harrison Barnes, Luka Doncic, Boston Celtics, Dallas Mavericks, Sacramento Kings Dallas has only 108 mil on the books for next year . They could get both but i think think Barnes will fetch more than Williams so i'll lean toward Williams. Dallas geting both seems unlikely to me but a possibality.. Wood and Irving and Powell are unsigned so Cuban has a lot of wheeling and dealing options. It's unfortunate we have very limited options.. Grant is as good as gone seems to be the only thing certain.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 18, 2023 21:06:55 GMT -5
Beal to the Suns Paul back to Clips!
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Post by cole on Jun 18, 2023 21:19:36 GMT -5
Beal to the Suns Paul back to Clips! good. having beal with kd and booker makes even less sense to me than pairing him with the J's. and Paul won't be helping anybody for very long, if he even can now. Not an upgrade from white or brogdon. He couldn't do what brogdon does even as far as 6th man role. there was a day when I thought CP3 could have really helped us. Like immediately post-Kyrie era
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 19, 2023 10:11:31 GMT -5
Beal to the Suns Paul back to Clips! good. having beal with kd and booker makes even less sense to me than pairing him with the J's. and Paul won't be helping anybody for very long, if he even can now. Not an upgrade from white or brogdon. He couldn't do what brogdon does even as far as 6th man role. there was a day when I thought CP3 could have really helped us. Like immediately post-Kyrie era Yeah, fantastic player at one point. His prime is well behind him now. Regarding Beal's fit on the Suns- I think it could work. They didnt give up very much. But theyll have to patchwork their bench together with vet min guys and exception targets , so theyll be thin.
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Post by rkarp1 on Jun 19, 2023 10:45:10 GMT -5
saw some analysis showing the Suns more efficient with Booker at PG when CP was out hurt. Suns goal should be getting to the playoffs, forgetting about seed, with everyone healthy. if, would be very dangerous. but Booker, Beal, KD and Ayton have missed a lot of games
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Post by Cabutan on Jun 19, 2023 13:35:56 GMT -5
Beal is a great player. He has been on the injury prone side lately. Booker is overrated. So all in all, is a meh move. Key is if Beal can stay healthy and if there are enough basketballs for so many shooters.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 19, 2023 14:00:06 GMT -5
Former Celtics guard Phil Pressey is joining coach Joe Mazzulla’s staff, a league source told the Globe on Monday. Pressey, 32, played for the Celtics from 2013-15. He then had brief stints with the 76ers and Suns before spending several years playing overseas. – via Boston Globe Top Rumors, Coaching, Joe Mazzulla, Phil Pressey, Boston Celtics
Last season Pressey worked as an assistant at Missouri, his alma mater. Pressey’s father, Paul, played in the NBA for 11 seasons before serving as an NBA assistant coach for 25, including a stint with the Celtics from 2004-06. The source said the Celtics are planning to add one or two more behind-the-bench coaches to Mazzulla’s staff in the coming weeks. – via Boston Globe Coaching, Joe Mazzulla, Phil Pressey, Boston Celtics
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 19, 2023 16:36:19 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown remains an essential part of that picture. The source said the Celtics do not intend to trade the All-Star forward, and that all signs continue to point toward Brown signing a five-year, $295 million super-max extension this summer. – via Boston Globe Top Rumors, Trade, Jaylen Brown, Boston Celtics
Grant Williams likely to re-sign with Boston?
The source said it remains quite likely that forward Grant Williams, a restricted free agent, will be back in Boston next year, but that the Celtics have received inquiries from teams about sign-and-trade possibilities involving him. The Celtics would have the ability to match any offer sheet Williams signs, and barring a surprisingly massive deal, they would do just that. The source said the Celtics most likely will simply re-sign Williams on their own, but a sign-and-trade would allow them to recoup some assets if the sides ultimately decide to part ways. – via Boston Globe Top Rumors, Free Agency, Trade, Grant Williams, Boston Celtics
According to a league source, the Celtics have been exploring trades that would reduce some of the congestion in their talented backcourt and bolster their depth at the wing or big positions. – via Boston Globe Trade, Boston Celtics
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