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Post by DaCeltics on May 3, 2016 9:39:54 GMT -5
This is a great draft to keep the players!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 11:49:22 GMT -5
Yes a very good one Ainge probably seen this coming last year.
Now if he can convince BS to play them a little it could be a fun season.
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Post by Admin on May 3, 2016 11:52:49 GMT -5
Lots of bigs but not so many wings after the top lottery (14 or so) are chosen ... must get a wing with #16 or #23 ... Chriss has been on Mocks anywhere from 10 thru 31, why such a disparity?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 12:07:59 GMT -5
Lots of bigs but not so many wings after the top lottery (14 or so) are chosen ... must get a wing with #16 or #23 ... Chriss has been on Mocks anywhere from 10 thru 31, why such a disparity? Chriss isn't quite ready to contribute as most scouts seem to think. The same scouts say his upside is off the charts. I see late ist round but who knows. I like your guy Korkmaz for the Dallas pick. Gotta have a wing i agree. I also like''' Dave Cowens Sabonis'' or what ever you call him. I still have that gut feeling were gonna get the two pick and would be more than happy with Ingram or Simmons I could be wrong and it end up 4 or 5 so at this point ill hedge till the ball drops. I like what little i've seen from Chriss however as a late pick
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Post by Mitch Underpants on May 3, 2016 19:25:39 GMT -5
Why the disparity? Good question. Chriss just wasn't a very highly rated prospect. And right now, he's benefitting from being one of the best 3-point shooting big men in the draft-> because afterall, Stretch 4's are IN, right?
Bosh is a decent comparison but he reminds me more of Terrence Jones.
And I agree that Chriss's versatility has to be attractive to the C's- he'd be a solid pick at #16 if he's still available.
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Post by ram on May 4, 2016 1:59:50 GMT -5
Chriss will go 8-18 in the draft but his game is not really like Chris Bosh's. He's a freak athlete who can shoot 3's and rebound but is A LOT more raw than Bosh was as a freshman, will need way more time to develop and unless he gains 2" in height and 4" in wingspan will not be able to play center like Bosh can.
I'll take Deyonta Davis first, Chriss 2nd and Skal/Maker are tied for 3rd as far as the developmental big I hope they can get a pick 16.
It is too bad Rabb went back to school. He was the kid who reminded me the most of Bosh. Maybe the Nets pick delivers him next year in a much more top heavy draft with lots of current HS seniors likely to dominate the top 10.
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Post by DaCeltics on May 4, 2016 6:44:30 GMT -5
I like Chriss because our team needs more players that can overwhelm others physically. Chriss can do it with bounce. We have noone like that. IT does it with quickness. Smart,Bradley and Crowder do it with physicality. Turner does it with positional length. We have no bigs that dominate with bounce or length, just quickness. Well, Mickey could dominate with bounce,length and relative quickness and strength!
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Post by ram on May 4, 2016 8:36:21 GMT -5
I like Chriss because our team needs more players that can overwhelm others physically. Chriss can do it with bounce. We have noone like that. IT does it with quickness. Smart,Bradley and Crowder do it with physicality. Turner does it with positional length. We have no bigs that dominate with bounce or length, just quickness. Well, Mickey could dominate with bounce,length and relative quickness and strength! Chriss can be this type of PF. One who is so physically gifted you can't help but see the difference between him and an average athlete every time he takes the court. But so was Kedrick Brown I think he has a Chris Webber type body. Close to 6'10" in shoes, but with a longer neck than C Webb and a 7'1" wingspan where C Webb's was like 7'3'-7'4". He can't masquerade as a center the way Bosh does b/c CB is a legit 6'11" with a 7'4" wingspan and has a game that is more suited to that position. And I only think Bosh became a stretch 5 in the last 3-4 seasons after becoming a much tougher player than he was the first 10 years of his career.
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Post by Admin on May 4, 2016 10:29:39 GMT -5
Good analogy ... Kedrick was fools gold, not that Chriss would be but what's the sense as long as we have Mickey. Our cupboard is full of undersized or one trick ponies now. If we add Chriss then we'd need to unload a few (not just Sully). For that reason I prefer Deyonta Davis who has "bounce" but can play the 4 or 5. That said, Bender has them both beat on length and perimeter shooting (not so sure about athletically).
Overall, this draft looks thin for pure PF's in 1st round ... Bender, Chriss, Davis, Sabonis & Johnson.
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 4, 2016 10:42:45 GMT -5
I like all these guys, but I'm going to wait and see how the ping pong balls land first. All these #16 picks depend on two things: 1. who we take with the first pick. 2. If we trade any or all of the picks. But, as you guys all know - I LOVE this kind of talk!!
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Post by Admin on May 4, 2016 12:43:19 GMT -5
Right ... if we get #1 or #2 we get a SF (Ingram or Simmons) and don't need Korkmaz or Valentine and if we stay put at #3 then we get either Bender (and no need for any of these other PF's) or Murray/Hield and don't need Butler unless we trade the pick for Butler.
So if we get one of top two spots and keep the pick then at #16 we need either a shooter or a big. I'd go with either Davis or Jones for a big then follow that up at #23 with either D Murray (best shooter available in rd 1 and a combo gd) or speculate on Maker as a project for D-League or Draft & Stash).
Rd 2 after #31 & #35 s/b all development types for stashing ... Zubac, Zizic, Qi, Bentil, Harrington De Paulo.
If Chriss or Hammons falls to the 2nd rd then #31 and with #35 we have Selden, Hernangomez, Payton & Barber to pick from.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 4, 2016 7:15:20 GMT -5
I make a retraction. Chriss is more like Amare Stoudemire and Chris Bosh in one player!!
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Post by raider3524 on Jun 4, 2016 10:51:12 GMT -5
I make a retraction. Chriss is more like Amare Stoudemire and Chris Bosh in one player!! chriss is more like a young antonio mcdyess.....
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 5, 2016 14:43:02 GMT -5
I think Chriss should be the #3 pick because his skillset is the hardest to find. He can post up, shoot the 3, guard pick n roll, swat shots straight up or on help defense, play the passing lane, catch lobs, put back dunk, mid post shoot or drive. He is incredibly underrated!
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Post by Admin on Jun 6, 2016 2:46:46 GMT -5
I think Chriss should be the #3 pick because his skillset is the hardest to find. He can post up, shoot the 3, guard pick n roll, swat shots straight up or on help defense, play the passing lane, catch lobs, put back dunk, mid post shoot or drive. He is incredibly underrated! Aren't Chriss and Brice Johnson nearly the same player with Chriss being somewhat stronger at this point and rated 1 pt higher on potential while Johnson is NBA ready with better rebounding skills and defense? If so, why take Chriss at #3 when the same player could be had at #30 according to DE? Take Murray or Brown (if not Noel) then Korkmaz, Prince or Sabonis at #16 (depending on #3) followed up with Johnson, Zizic or Qi at #23 for round 1. Round 2: #31 Maker or Murray #35 Hammons or Onuaku #45 Bentil or Siakam #51 House, Bolomboy or Auguste > #58 Hamilton or Ndiaye > www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mamadou-Ndiaye-7107/ or DePaula > www.nbadraftroom.com/2016/03/george-de-paula.html
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jun 6, 2016 13:03:02 GMT -5
The more and more I see Chriss rise up the rankings (he's now a virtual lock for Top 5), the more and more I hope we draft him - almost more so than trading for Okafor.
Chriss, unlike Simmons, can knock down open 3's, a skill we sorely lacked vs ATL. Chriss, unlike Ingram, won't get blown down by the wind, and we won't have to wait for him to bulk up. Scouts say Chriss is a football player playing basketball, and even without his 3-point shooting capability, he's already bigger, stronger, and more versatile than Jaylen Brown.
Keep the pick, DA. Merry Chrissmas!
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 6, 2016 17:28:03 GMT -5
The more and more I see Chriss rise up the rankings (he's now a virtual lock for Top 5), the more and more I hope we draft him - almost more so than trading for Okafor. Chriss, unlike Simmons, can knock down open 3's, a skill we sorely lacked vs ATL. Chriss, unlike Ingram, won't get blown down by the wind, and we won't have to wait for him to bulk up. Scouts say Chriss is a football player playing basketball, and even without his 3-point shooting capability, he's already bigger, stronger, and more versatile than Jaylen Brown. Keep the pick, DA. Merry Chrissmas! Amen brother! Preach!
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Post by Admin on Jun 6, 2016 17:56:18 GMT -5
Post on CelticsBlog speculates that this sudden interest by the C's in Chriss is a ploy to get Cousins ... ... "first you put out the word through some media sources that you're in love with Chriss and suggest your going to take him with the third pick. Which is what I believe Danny Ainge is doing right now. For Sacramento this blows up any hope of getting him at the eight slot where I think they believed he was a lock because he was suppose to go in the tail end of the lottery at best. Now the media has Chriss moving up draft boards everywhere and Boston or Phoenix as his destination. Now Danny will let this pot simmer for awhile and wait for Sacramento to pick up the phone and inquire about the number three spot! And here we go."
"Sacramento will ask about the third pick and Danny will counter with swapping the Celtics third pick for Sacramento's eight slot and Celtic’s get Cousins. The beautiful thing is the Celtics have a ton of picks this year and next to sweeten the deal. May I suggest Danny adds in this year's 16 and a high second rounder. Plus the Celtic’s own 2017 first rounder swap with Brooklyn. There are hundreds of combinations you could wheel but the important thing is to keep the eighth overall pick where you could land a sliding talent like Hield or Jaylen Brown. And if Sacramento won’t bite on the deal then draft Chriss and offer up a lesser deal at the trade deadline."www.celticsblog.com/2016/6/6/11870288/how-marquese-chriss-just-brought-demarcus-cousins-to-the-celtics
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 8, 2016 8:37:33 GMT -5
The only reason I'd trade these draft picks is to get higher picks in this draft.
Chriss should be one of the best players in the world in 2 to 3 years. Then someone or someone's we've picked will be better than expected. Guys like Maker,Labissierre,Baldwin,Hamilton,Hammons,Hield,Brown,Brimah,Korkmaz,Valentine,Sabonis. Too much potential to pass on, imo!
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 8, 2016 10:05:03 GMT -5
This could be a strong lineup for us next year.
Thomas,Allen Crabbe(FA),Crowder,Chriss(Complete PF),Hammons(Complete 5).
My definition of complete means they can offensively play traditional(in the paint) or as a stretch(on the perimeter), good rebounder, defender and passer.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 8, 2016 12:09:25 GMT -5
I like Chriss because our team needs more players that can overwhelm others physically. Chriss can do it with bounce. We have noone like that. IT does it with quickness. Smart,Bradley and Crowder do it with physicality. Turner does it with positional length. We have no bigs that dominate with bounce or length, just quickness. Well, Mickey could dominate with bounce,length and relative quickness and strength! Chriss can be this type of PF. One who is so physically gifted you can't help but see the difference between him and an average athlete every time he takes the court. But so was Kedrick Brown I think he has a Chris Webber type body. Close to 6'10" in shoes, but with a longer neck than C Webb and a 7'1" wingspan where C Webb's was like 7'3'-7'4". He can't masquerade as a center the way Bosh does b/c CB is a legit 6'11" with a 7'4" wingspan and has a game that is more suited to that position. And I only think Bosh became a stretch 5 in the last 3-4 seasons after becoming a much tougher player than he was the first 10 years of his career. When I read the scouting description of Chriss, Webber was the first player who came to mind.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 8, 2016 12:15:18 GMT -5
Chriss has certainly entered the picture for me personally. I wonder if we can get a player and pick #5 for pick #3. That way, we could get one of: Buddy, Brown, Chriss at 5. It almost seems that pick 5 or 6 is almost equal value to 3.
I would much rather select Chriss at 3 then trade the pick for Okafor. I'd just rather have the raw guy w/ a limitless ceiling than a guy like Okafor who has a limited ceiling but is guaranteed to be solid. I prefer high ceiling / low floor (raw but with oodles of potential. Could be great, could be out of the league in 2 yrs) over high floor / low ceiling (NBA ready, guaranteed to help, but more of a good complimentary piece than a focal point)
I would trade the pick and a lot more for some players, dont get me wrong. But Okafor just isnt one of them. Blake or Cousins, yes yes yes.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 8, 2016 12:16:36 GMT -5
I'd rather give up the 16 for Noel than the 3 for Okafor.
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Post by mtraxsmedley on Jun 8, 2016 12:22:11 GMT -5
THIS THREAD IS SILLED WITH ONE SIDED TRADE PROPOSALS!!! LOL!!! NONE ARE CLOSE TO REALITY!!!
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Post by billge on Jun 8, 2016 14:08:30 GMT -5
STHOP THE THILLINESS
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