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Post by Admin on Mar 18, 2023 0:29:17 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Mar 18, 2023 12:23:46 GMT -5
An Admin Rant:
As most of you know, I'm a huge Brown guy and was an early advocator of taking him 3rd in his draft class by the Celtics. I even compared him to Lenny Bias. So the last thing I want is to see him playing for another team. That said, I'm disappointed that such a high IQ individual (so we're told) at the tender age of 25 is so willing to throw his fans, team and city to the curb painting a portion of same with racism as if this were the only place on earth where he might experience that.
"ONLY A FOOL WOULD SAY THAT"
I find it despicable that he bites the hand that groomed him, provides his "platform" and the economic security to be in the position he finds himself. Not to take anything away from his own hard work, talent and will to succeed and be the best he can in anything he ventures into. But it smacks of disloyalty and someone who doesn't approve of or like his surroundings. That may be from inexperience or from association with other like-minded individuals having a profound influence upon him. Regardless, he is naive at best if he thinks he wouldn't find the same if not worse response to his ideology elsewhere. Massachusetts is one of the most liberal states in the nation. That means the citizenry here is much more receptive to the same goals he has in his platform than a good portion of the country particularly the more conservative states. Jaylen is exhibiting ignorance in abundance if he thinks taking his case to the media attacking his fandom with the Celtics is in his best interest or beneficial to his platform. He should be embracing the opportunity and political allies he can build here to help him support his goals rather than point fingers and speak badly about a minority of fans that have little or no affect upon the greater good he wants to accomplish or the vast majority of global fans that support both the Boston Celtics and Jaylen Brown as a baller and individual with the leadership skills & voice hoping to elevate society within the goals he aspires to.
"Glamour Profession"
6:05 Outside the stadium Special delivery For Hoops McCann Brut and charisma Poured from the shadow where he stood Looking good He's a crowd pleasing man One on one He's schoolyard superman Crashing the backboard He's Jungle Jim again When it's all over We'll make some calls from my car We're a star It's a glamour profession The L.A. concession Local boys will spend a quarter Just to shine the silver bowl Living hard will take its toll
Illegal fun Under the sun, boys
All aboard The Carib Cannibal Off to Barbados Just for the ride Jack with his radar Stalking the dread moray eel At the wheel With his Eurasian bride On the town We dress for action Celluloid bikers Is Friday's theme I drove the Chrysler Watched from the darkness while they danced I'm the one
It's a glamour profession The L.A. concession Local boys will spend a quarter Just to shine the silver bowl Living hard will take its toll
Illegal fun Under the sun, boys
Hollywood I know your middle name Who inspires your fabled fools That's my claim to fame
Jive Miguel He's in from Bogota Meet me at midnight At Mr. Chow's Szechuan dumplings Now that the deal has been done I'm the one
It's a glamour profession The L.A. concession Local boys will spend a quarter Just to shine the silver bowl Living hard will take its toll
Illegal fun Under the sun, boys Illegal fun Under the sun, boys
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Post by petey62 on Mar 18, 2023 15:01:09 GMT -5
Admin, really? Wow, despicable?
He said there is a group of Celtics fans who are toxic. He's not referring to the entire Celtics fanbase. And, if that's his experience, why are you disappointed with him telling the truth?
He hasn't thrown the Celtics organization to the curb. He said despite any differences with Wyc and Pags, he feels they can come together to win a championship. Nothing wrong with that!
What hand is he biting that groomed him? Jaylen isn't the first person to BE HONEST about life in Boston as a black athlete and how the fanbase responds to them. That list includes Lebron, Draymond, Klay and even Marcus Smart. And those are just the ones who have been public about them.
You're right about him embracing opportunities to build in Boston to support his goals. He should be leveraging BEING JALYEN BROWN! However, it sounds like HE IS trying to build something but the doors he thought would be more easily open because of his platform aren't easily opening for him. He intimated having issues simply "buying a house". If he believes it's because of the color of his skin, why is that a problem? I'll tell you what, if he were in the Washington, DC area, those doors would be WIDE OPEN for him to realize his goals off the court.
It disappoints me to hear such harsh comments like yours like he's supposed to be grateful and thankful to PLAY BASKETBALL in Boston although he experiences racism when trying to buy a home or start a business.
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Post by elvissurfs on Mar 18, 2023 15:27:44 GMT -5
Can't say I am a big fan of the east coast either...
That being said, I would be looking to trade Brown in the offseason cuz I very much doubt he will be re-signing with the Celtics...
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Post by petey62 on Mar 18, 2023 15:32:51 GMT -5
I want to keep this in perspective before we start tailing off with this thread.
I'm sticking to Boston, not the east coast.
Sticking to the discussion, nothing suggests JB isn't a fan of Boston or the east coast.
I don't even think he's unhappy and would want to play elsewhere. If we fail to win, he would likely be gone but if we win a championship, he'll be here as long as we continue to get rings.
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Post by elvissurfs on Mar 18, 2023 15:45:31 GMT -5
Two things
- Brown's association with Kyrie and Kanye says a lot about his supposed great intelligence...to not make a hard stance against thier anti-semitism and other idiotic ideas/actions speaks volumes...
- I do however think that if Brown was considered the #1 here, he would be smart enough to steer clear of this kind of thing...but since he is second fiddle, I don't think he cares as much...or he is even paving the way for his exit stage left...
This is not the first time he has ventured here...Remember after the allstar game when he spouted some other idea how it is hard for him to play under Tatum's shadow, or something like that...I previously thought that Tatum would be the guy to skip town, and this would be Brown's team...
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Post by elvissurfs on Mar 18, 2023 15:46:39 GMT -5
From another forum:
I thought this, like Jaylen's other statements about his experience with racism and treatment as an athlete, was pretty straightforward, and (mostly) not something exclusive to Boston. I think the racism comments can be taken either way, but it's certainly one of the more diplomatic answers an athlete has given, including Boston's own players. It bothers me that the media only asks this about Boston, but I don't think anything Jaylen said is false. The business/housing comments I chalk up to youth.
For example, buying/leasing retail property in Seaport and starting a clothing brand and foundation (7uice) is really hard, and frankly, as someone who has worked with professional athletes before, it is harder and a different kind of business than most high draft picks are used to. It's less name/image/likeness and more money/power/connections, and most athletes as business-inclined as Jaylen are are hesitant to overspend in business endeavors. They're used to low-risk endeavors like endorsement deals. And, as young men who have about 15 years to make enough money to last them and their families, they are understandably hesitant to engage in capital-intensive business deals. This is compounded by the fact that people have probably been trying to take advantage of them for years.
Additionally, like most business verticals, Boston commercial real estate is cut-throat and gate-kept in its own unique ways. For example, a friend of mine was talking to a bubble tea shop in Newton that was bidding on the rights to lease a small commercial property in Harvard Square, and their max of $18,000/month was swiftly rejected in favor of a higher, foreign bidder. I've heard rumors that the CVS on JFK Street pays over $100,000 per month. Money talks, but only if you have the most and are willing to spend it. Imagine the shock a rookie celebrity must have had to realize his small-footprint clothing store would cost 5-figures a month to have a retail location.
Additionally, Wellesley is a really weird place to live and does not like outsiders. It's predominantly white (77.1% of pop, according to the census), and Asian (13.2%, which is likely heavily skewed by Wellesley College and Babson). Only 2.9% Black/African, which I'd also imagine is mostly college students.
I've had Asian friends who have absolutely experienced covert and overt racism in Wellesley, most having to do with White residents who assume they are students and will brazenly and profanely tell them to move out as soon as possible and that they are not welcome. And, not that it matters, but these are very quiet and 2nd+ generation Americans whose primary language is English. They are certainly not instigating any of these happenings.
Boston is my favorite city in the US and certainly, in my opinion, one of the better places to live. But, like all places, it has its warts, which are definitely compounded for pro athletes by an intensely passionate fan base.
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Post by Admin on Mar 18, 2023 17:31:06 GMT -5
The truth? He hasn't provided any definitive examples or details of what he's complaining about. He speaks in generalities. Where's the beef?
Petey, it's dishonest to go to a media outlet in NY to point out what is bothering him. It smells underhanded as if he were sneaking it past the local press and taking his complaint to teams/media west of New England. Why? If you see a problem here and you think you can be a positive influence upon healing/repairing that problem why aren't you working with local media etc. Talking out of school seems like a disgruntled employee or student if you ask me. He knows this has been a sore spot with fans, the city and the state for ages yet in the middle of a championship run he decides to breach that subject once again ... did he suddenly experience something to make him go there? Sorry, but it seems self serving to me. For what reason I have no clue but at the same time, how does this help him or his "platform?" Is he the 1st black man to buy a house in the Boston region? The spread of society finds minorities throughout the Commonwealth and there have been many wealthy ones buying exclusive properties in the State for years. I doubt he's had a problem finding a real estate agent willing to put him into an elite property given the commission involved. We have football, basketball and baseball players all around and the only notable exception I can remember regarding trouble in a wealthy hood was Dee Brown ... it's been along time since the cops stopped him for riding thru town in an expensive automobile. Now as far as business goes. Tatum hasn't seemed to have any problems introducing his new sneaker. Jaylen is operating a retail store that is selling a product and brick & motor ops are very competitive. Maybe he isn't getting the support there that he anticipated but lots of restaurants and retail are struggling and it's not easy to make it your 1st time out in business. www.bostonseaport.xyz/venue/the-current-7uice/Is he looking for a loan, a partner to contribute to his platform while providing inventory or marketing, more media access to customers? Who knows what his gripe is but if this is the catalyst for his rant then he needs to reconsider who he's targeting. I beg to differ ... he is hurting his team, city & fans by throwing darts at them in what seems to be a selfish motivation. He doesn't point out issues affecting communities in or around Boston but issues that have affected him personally.
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Post by Admin on Mar 18, 2023 17:43:36 GMT -5
Elvis's post regarding the state of the commercial space market in Boston beat me to the punch re his retail store. Maybe he thinks he is being locked out of commercial space as a minority when indeed as Elvis's post points out, that's a highly competitive and expensive arena to play in. Expecting a deal because of your notoriety won't play well there ... money talks regardless of color except for green and not autographed Celtic jersey's.
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Post by Admin on Mar 18, 2023 18:35:59 GMT -5
Admin, really? Wow, despicable? He said there is a group of Celtics fans who are toxic. He's not referring to the entire Celtics fanbase. And, if that's his experience, why are you disappointed with him telling the truth? He hasn't thrown the Celtics organization to the curb. He said despite any differences with Wyc and Pags, he feels they can come together to win a championship. Nothing wrong with that! What hand is he biting that groomed him? Jaylen isn't the first person to BE HONEST about life in Boston as a black athlete and how the fanbase responds to them. That list includes Lebron, Draymond, Klay and even Marcus Smart. And those are just the ones who have been public about them. You're right about him embracing opportunities to build in Boston to support his goals. He should be leveraging BEING JALYEN BROWN! However, it sounds like HE IS trying to build something but the doors he thought would be more easily open because of his platform aren't easily opening for him. He intimated having issues simply "buying a house". If he believes it's because of the color of his skin, why is that a problem? I'll tell you what, if he were in the Washington, DC area, those doors would be WIDE OPEN for him to realize his goals off the court. It disappoints me to hear such harsh comments like yours like he's supposed to be grateful and thankful to PLAY BASKETBALL in Boston although he experiences racism when trying to buy a home or start a business.
Jaylen has joined in with his own group of toxic peers: Kyrie, LeBron, Draymond etc. Adding fuel to their bogus fire is tantamount to throwing your team, city & fans under the bus. He is reinforcing the exaggerated statements of those mentioned who have only experienced Boston as an adversary in a sports venue. All of that group have reason to advise their peers of an exaggerated experience of racism to keep them from becoming a future player here. They don't want to see the Celtics attract and acquire top talent and what better way to do so than push the racism card even if it's worse in L.A. than it is here! It's ironic that the names you cited are the teams we find as our main competition - GSW & LAL! Was that intentional or have you overlooked what's really going on here Petey? If you can't see or understand how these attacks make it harder for the owners/GM to sign talent to preserve the future of this franchise and what the coaching staff, retired players and GM do on a regular basis to advance the the skills and court sense (except a few notable exceptions) of our players that has brought the franchise a multiplicity of success over the years then I can't convince you that Jaylen owes an ounce of his success to these factors ... he earned it all on his own and we s/b greatful that he dons a Celtic uni.
And the greatest lie and hypocrisy in that regard comes from Lebron - a minority owner of the Boston Red Sox!
Petey ... Ask LeBron how he can be a partner there (the center of Boston's historic racism) and call the Celtics and/or their City & fans racists at the same time. Think about that for a minute. The top gun in the NBA telling all his peers that the Celtics or their fans if you prefer, are racist and subtly telling peers not to go there, is an owner of the RED SOX!!!!!!!!!!! What's wrong with this? Why would Jaylen join that club of bullshitters?
It's not about accepting the truth or hearing stories from players experiencing racism here ... because it happens EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!
The real injustice going on is not hearing/seeing the lies propagating this phenomenon from people like LeBron who have an agenda that purposely excludes the Celtics. Not because of racism. Because this has been the most progressive franchise within the NBA and those that have come here (KG & Horford come to mind quickly) routinely say that this is one of if not the finest franchise they've ever been associated with and wish they had known what they know now but didn't know then cuz they would have come here sooner. The 1st black player, the 1st black coach, the 1st female coach ... this is a racist team? Of course not. Racist fans in the stands? Maybe a small percentage as in any sporting event but this franchise wouldn't have had both the financial success and longevity if it were playing to an empty arena that they rent (C's have never owned their arena or the concession stands) if fans weren't packing the house. And if those fans were racists, why have they been coming to see the Celtics for 75 yrs when recent decades have been dominated by black ballers?
Answer my questions and I'll shut up but I'm fed up with the hypocrisy that gets passed off on this subject over & over ... I'm convinced that racism has become a tool and the easiest means to disrupt your toughest opponent in the past and once again going forward.
I left one fact out:
Before December 26, 1964, five Black players wearing the same uniform had never taken the court for the start of an NBA game. That night in St. Louis, Willie Naulls replaced the injured Tommy Heinsohn, and the Celtics had an all Black starting five, for the first time in the history of the NBA.
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Post by Admin on Mar 18, 2023 19:05:54 GMT -5
Alright, as Admin here I have had my say on the matter and I think it's clear that I back the Celtics, their City and the loyal fan base over what I feel have become exaggerated statements as an ends to certain individuals means. I suspect it's got a lot to do with competition and in Jaylen's situation, personal disappointment with business dealings ... don't be surprised if he's closing locations once the playoffs for the Celtics ends or a going out of business sale breaks out.
I will have no more to say on this matter to avoid conflict with other members or guests. I'll have to bite my tongue from this point going forward as I have sold out and am closing my doors ... Good luck to Jaylen!
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Post by elvissurfs on Mar 18, 2023 21:52:51 GMT -5
Alright, as Admin here I have had my say on the matter and I think it's clear that I back the Celtics, their City and the loyal fan base over what I feel have become exaggerated statements as an ends to certain individuals means. I suspect it's got a lot to do with competition and in Jaylen's situation, personal disappointment with business dealings ... don't be surprised if he's closing locations once the playoffs for the Celtics ends or a going out of business sale breaks out.
I will have no more to say on this matter to avoid conflict with other members or guests. I'll have to bite my tongue from this point going forward as I have sold out and am closing my doors ... Good luck to Jaylen!
No worries Admin...good to vent sometimes... You have been one of the strongest Brown supporters here...this is tough to take...maybe Kayne will buy him a team and make Kyrie the coach...
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Post by Admin on Mar 19, 2023 0:09:49 GMT -5
Elvis, I'm surprised you didn't comment on my use of "Only a fool would say that" by Steely Dan.
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Post by Admin on Mar 19, 2023 0:25:16 GMT -5
New York Times
Jaylen Brown on Basketball, Activism and Being Black in Boston The star Celtics guard talks about his career year in the N.B.A., educational inequality and his association with Kanye West.
Jaylen Brown says 'extremely toxic' portion of Celtics fanbase doesn't want players to use platform 'They just want you to play basketball ... and go home,' Brown said. 'And that's a problem to me.' By Jack Maloney (CBS Sports)
Boston Celtics star Jaylen Brown sat down for a new interview with The New York Times, which was released on Friday and touches on a number of interesting subjects, including his play this season and his connection to controversial musical artist Kanye West.
Perhaps the most notable comments from Brown, however, came when he was asked about the Celtics' fanbase, and whether he's experienced any negative treatment.
"I have, but I pretty much block it all out," Brown said. "It's not the whole Celtic fan base, but it is a part of the fan base that exists within the Celtic nation that is problematic. If you have a bad game, they tie it to your personal character.
"I definitely think there's a group or an amount within the Celtic nation that is extremely toxic and does not want to see athletes use their platform, or they just want you to play basketball and entertain and go home. And that's a problem to me."
The Celtics' fanbase, and the city of Boston in general, has long had a poor reputation regarding its treatment of Black athletes. One of the worst examples came back in 1963, when Bill Russell's house was broken into and vandalized while he was out of town. The perpetrators not only smashed Russell's trophies, but defecated in his bed.
In more recent years, a number of opposing players have also expressed their concerns. Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green said he was called the n-word during the Finals last season, when fans also chanted "f--- Draymond."
"You usually have situations where people talk crazy, but not the entire arena," Green said. "You'll have a situation where an entire arena will boo you, but not what the Boston fans were doing. So, it was just a different situation than I had ever seen. It took a while to adjust to it ... it was just so unexpected. It caught me off guard."
Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James, meanwhile, was more to the point, calling Boston fans "racist as f---."
Brown, who was the No. 3 overall pick in the 2016 NBA Draft, has spent his whole career with the Celtics and is signed until the 2024 season. His next contract was always going to be fascinating due to the fact that he can make significantly more money by waiting until unrestricted free agency rather than signing an early extension. At this point there's no reason to expect that he'll leave Boston, but comments like these will add to speculation about his future.
You reap what you sow ... and now it starts:
Jaylen Brown talks Jayson Tatum, toxic Boston Celtics fans with NYT
Analyst on Boston Celtics All-Star’s fanbase critique: ‘Comments like these will add to speculation about his future’
Someone please help me understand how this helps Jaylen, The Celtics, The City of Boston, Celtic Fans or Jaylen's Platform.
Going to the NYT to open up will only turn some of his staunchest fans against him for adding to the ongoing BS by phonies like LeBron.
Did the NYT also mention that LeBron is an owner of the Red Sox ... Nope! Why not?
You can figure it out and you should call all these phonies out for their deception.
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Post by elvissurfs on Mar 19, 2023 9:52:02 GMT -5
Elvis, I'm surprised you didn't comment on my use of "Only a fool would say that" by Steely Dan. LOL...I was too busy reading your rant, skipped right over the song...what about Dee and Cole commenting?...I would say they are even bigger on the music, and they both play well...
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Post by cole on Mar 19, 2023 13:28:32 GMT -5
I just feel Brown wants to be known as an advocate for his people. I'm afraid his influences may have him spun around about how to do that.
Who is his sponsor? I don't even know
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 19, 2023 14:23:41 GMT -5
I just feel Brown wants to be known as an advocate for his people. I'm afraid his influences may have him spun around about how to do that. Who is his sponsor? I don't even know musically explained
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Post by cole on Mar 19, 2023 15:08:53 GMT -5
You can already see Chaz wanting out too
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 19, 2023 15:32:49 GMT -5
You can already see Chaz wanting out too yeah he said it was the money or lack of money Chandler became disillusioned with the lack of money, recalling that, "We toured non-stop for three years, doing 300 gigs a year and we hardly got a penny.
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Post by Admin on Mar 19, 2023 17:36:09 GMT -5
He did alright for himself post Animals!
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 19, 2023 18:51:51 GMT -5
He did alright for himself post Animals! Indeed as a music producer and with Hendricks.
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Post by Admin on Mar 20, 2023 17:50:30 GMT -5
Help Jaylen have a successful biz and meet going rental rates for elite comm'l venues with the purchase of a hoodie or t-shirt for $85
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 20, 2023 18:54:48 GMT -5
Help Jaylen have a successful biz and meet going rental rates for elite comm'l venues with the purchase of a hoodie or t-shirt for $85
Your on a mission.. Why?
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Post by cole on Mar 20, 2023 19:10:14 GMT -5
Help Jaylen have a successful biz and meet going rental rates for elite comm'l venues with the purchase of a hoodie or t-shirt for $85
Your on a mission.. Why? He's clearly taken offense to Boston being called a racist city. An argument we wore out 2 years ago but it doesn't go away
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 20, 2023 19:15:37 GMT -5
He's clearly taken offense to Boston being called a racist city. An argument we wore out 2 years ago but it doesn't go away Yeah i know . I tried to spin this and you even helped. Well after supper i have a response for Boss and Brown..
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