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Post by croc on Jul 23, 2016 16:04:23 GMT -5
It sounds like they can make the trade for Griffin, but it seems Griffin is not agreeing to pick up his 2017 option. It is a big plus for 2016. Probably puts the C's right next to Toronto this year. It's rolling the dice he'll like Boston.
They could trade lesser assets like Smart and a nonBKN pick for Okafor. That's incremental, but sustainable.
I like sustainable.
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 23, 2016 16:49:47 GMT -5
If you want to revisit the whale watching on the west coast consider this ... Rumored trade for PP/B Griffin in return for Rozier/Bradley/Amir/Oly or Mickey and the BRK 2018 pick That gets us a SF & PF while we lose a PG, SG, PF & C leaving two holes at SG & C ... So who did DA sign today? Green (SG) and Zeller (C) Let the speculation restart! Wait. I am a bit lost. What were the moves C's made today?? Did we really signed jackson??
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Post by Admin on Jul 23, 2016 17:17:49 GMT -5
If you want to revisit the whale watching on the west coast consider this ... Rumored trade for PP/B Griffin in return for Rozier/Bradley/Amir/Oly or Mickey and the BRK 2018 pick That gets us a SF & PF while we lose a PG, SG, PF & C leaving two holes at SG & C ... So who did DA sign today? Green (SG) and Zeller (C) Let the speculation restart! Wait. I am a bit lost. What were the moves C's made today?? Did we really signed jackson?? www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/celtics_insider/2016/07/celtics_add_gerald_green_keep_tyler_zeller_other_moves... the club is working out the details on a contract with second-round pick Demetrius Jackson, who will get a guarantee for this season. Fellow second-rounder Ben Bentil will land a partially guaranteed deal.
As it stands now, that leaves R.J. Hunter, James Young, Bentil and the non-guaranteed John Holland battling for one roster spot. Barring further changes to either the roster or personal situations, Hunter will go into training camp as the easy favorite to stick.
According to league sources, Danny Ainge is still very much open to making deals, but the process on anything larger than today's transactions may not begin in earnest for weeks, if not months.
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Post by Admin on Jul 23, 2016 20:45:42 GMT -5
twitter.com/ESPNForsberg![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoFEd7vWEAAh7eh.jpg) ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoFEe7IWYAAS9tR.jpg) My Comment: I think the $543, 471 salary for Jackson & Bentil are both estimates while Green's estimate of $980K has been corrected to $1.4mm at the page bottom. Jackson is guaranteed and yet to be announced while Bentil got a partial guarantee but has not been announced either. Some seem to think that Zeller got $8mm over 2 yrs (on other forums anyway) but as you know, he's getting $8mm/yr with a team option for that 2nd yr. There is no indication that a contract has been signed yet, just agreed to ... so of course, there remains the possibility of altering that to a S&T (if needed) to Zeller's advantage since an additional year would need to be added.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 23, 2016 21:03:45 GMT -5
A solid, if not exciting roster. Improvement is what is warranted, and, I think, what will happen.
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Post by Admin on Jul 23, 2016 21:31:05 GMT -5
A solid, if not exciting roster. Improvement is what is warranted, and, I think, what will happen. What really sticks out is how small the salaries are other than Horford and the expiring contract for Amir. Certainly plenty of room for consolidation with a higher veteran base salary warranted to get the median salary to a more appropriate level conducive to a contending team!
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Post by Admin on Jul 23, 2016 22:42:58 GMT -5
Takeaways from today's activities;
1) Why has everyone been signed except Brown?
2) Why did Danny find it necessary to give a guaranteed contract now to our 4th line PG (Jackson)?
3) Until today's contract agreements have been signed, they are subject to amendment.
4) Young and Holland no longer have a place on the roster and Hunter has the lead over Bentil for now.
5) Once all today's contracts are signed, there will be little or no cap room available to extend contracts to either Griffin or Westbrook so any trade would most likely be for a 1 yr rental at a reduced yet still costly transfer of assets based on the inherent risk ... one this ownership may still be willing to take.
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Post by Admin on Jul 24, 2016 1:20:57 GMT -5
www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/after-flurry-moves-celtics-still-arent-doneYou’re probably thinking the summer fireworks are finished after the Celtics brought back Tyler Zeller, added ex-Celtic Gerald Green, and signed rookies Demetrius Jackson and Ben Bentil. It’s true, these moves do lower the likelihood of a multifaceted trade, but it doesn’t totally extinguish the odds of something seismic happening.The Celtics still retain their flexibility, since none of these deals have actually been finalized. Even after they are, they’d still have the pieces required to make a deal work for a superstar like Blake Griffin. It’s not hard to make a valid trade for one player, but it is difficult if it’s a multi-step process like a Russell Westbrook renegotiate-and-extend trade. “This is not necessarily what the team will be,” a source told the Boston Globe’s Adam Himmelsbach. “There’s probably changes coming.” Well, yeah. Changes have to come. The Celtics don’t really have a choice here. Assuming Jaylen Brown is signed, they’ll have 18 players with at least partially guaranteed contracts. So at least three players will have to be exported before the season, since the NBA requires a maximum of 15 players on a roster. Here’s a look at the Celtics’ current projected depth chart: STARTERS BENCH RESERVES ON THE BUBBLE Amir Johnson Kelly Olynyk Tyler Zeller FRONT Al Horford Jonas Jerebko Jordan Mickey Ben Bentil* COURT Jae Crowder Jaylen Brown* Gerald Green James Young BACK Avery Bradley Marcus Smart RJ Hunter John Holland* COURT Isaiah Thomas Terry Rozier Demetrius Jackson Draft Picks* So, something has to happen. It’s just a matter of what. You can choose to believe the Celtics aren’t actually trying to make a blockbuster move. Or you can choose to believe the signals that have been firing off this month from the Celtics themselves indicating they’re “not done.” It wouldn’t be difficult for the Celtics to get closer to 15 players by completing a blockbuster trade for a player like Griffin. Perhaps some combination of veterans ( Amir Johnson, Avery Bradley, and Jonas Jerebko) with youth (Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier, R.J. Hunter, and James Young) and draft picks (2018 Nets pick) could bring in Griffin and Paul Pierce. Saturday’s moves make sense regardless of any transactions to follow. Zeller is a bargain at just $8 million as a steadying presence on both ends of the floor. But, if Johnson were dealt, he’d be able to slide right up the depth chart as the team’s backup center. Green shot 37.2 percent on spot up threes, per SportVU, over the past three years, so he provides spacing as a scorer who can catch fire. Considering Brad Stevens’ track record of sapping every ounce of talent out of each of his players -- hello, Jordan Crawford! -- it’s possible the Celtics will be getting the Green who scored an efficient 15.8 points per game just two years ago in Phoenix, and not the sub-par Green who struggled to stay on the court last year in Miami. If one or two of Boston’s young wings were dealt, Green, on a mere veteran minimum contract, would have an even easier path to playing time as a spark off the bench. It’s difficult to read into the signings of second-round picks Jackson and Bentil, but either way the should both spend the season developing with the Celtics’ D-League affiliate, the Maine Red Claws. The Celtics haven’t made a move yet, but they also haven’t done anything to suggest they’re entirely done. These moves could be precursors to something significant, or not. But at the least they provide depth to an already impressive roster.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 1:49:44 GMT -5
Frankly, we are thinking of paying a big price for stars drafted and developed by other teams. With 2 more high draft picks, why not let your own stars develop? If Brad Stevens is capable of extracting every bit from his players, let him work his magic with Brown.
Last year, the Celts were continuously over-matched in the front court. This roster is much better. I would look for trades like Olynyk and Rozier for Noel. That will further strengthen the front court.
If Blake Griffin can be had for talented quantity: Johnson, Bradley, Olynyk and Rozier, I am for it. Adding a Brooklyn pick makes no sense. Doc needs to improve his roster depth this year and compete, otherwise, he runs the risk of a mass exit next year. There aren't too many options for him right now. He can't command that kind of a haul for Griffin.
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Post by Admin on Jul 25, 2016 23:46:27 GMT -5
The significance to the Heat signing of Waiters today is that it opens up cap space for OKC who can now try to extend Westbrook before the Jul30th deadline ... how's this important to the Celtics? 1) OKC needs to get a definitive answer from Westbrook on that extension asap so they know how to proceed 2) If Westbrook won't agree to an extension, OKC must consider trading him and will get more in return if he'll tell them what teams he'd be willing to sign an extension with otherwise their return will be minimal as a rental and the Jul30th deadline is moot 3) Once they have that short list they can decide which teams they can get the best return from and try to consummate a trade by the weekend Note: Danny knows this for sure and this may explain why the C's have not yet signed Brown or executed the Zeller contract. If the Westbrook Renegotiate-Extend deadline comes and goes with no activity then the C's should sign all their outstanding contracts. To chrisjay re IT: If indeed Westbrook says no extension to OKC but has BOS on his list of teams he'd extend with and OKC wants to work out a deal it's very possible that IT, Brown, Zeller & BRK 17/18 could be on the table IMO but time is short (Sat or Sun) www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/macmullan-thunder-need-make-decision-westbrook-now?guid=Macmullanwestrbook725If Durant really didn't call Westbrook ahead of time, uh, yikes. Durant and Westbrook had been teammates for eight seasons and had grown up together personally and professionally. A courtesy call definitely should have happened somewhere along the line.
But what's done is done. It's up to Westbrook to decide whether he wants to be the face of the franchise or tell the front office to start the rebuild. With Dion Waiters leaving OKC for the Heat in free agency, the Thunder now have an opportunity to offer Westbrook a renegotiated extension, and his response will dictate whether the Thunder turn Westbrook into the centerpiece of the team or one of the biggest trades in recent NBA history.
www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/russell-westbrook-kevin-durant-warriors-thunder-nba-free-agency/1tx0oudz3jrbi1q83b1eveod05
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 26, 2016 7:54:38 GMT -5
The significance to the Heat signing of Waiters today is that it opens up cap space for OKC who can now try to extend Westbrook before the Jul30th deadline ... how's this important to the Celtics? 1) OKC needs to get a definitive answer from Westbrook on that extension asap so they know how to proceed 2) If Westbrook won't agree to an extension, OKC must consider trading him and will get more in return if he'll tell them what teams he'd be willing to sign an extension with otherwise their return will be minimal as a rental and the Jul30th deadline is moot 3) Once they have that short list they can decide which teams they can get the best return from and try to consummate a trade by the weekend Note: Danny knows this for sure and this may explain why the C's have not yet signed Brown or executed the Zeller contract. If the Westbrook Renegotiate-Extend deadline comes and goes with no activity then the C's should sign all their outstanding contracts. To chrisjay re IT: If indeed Westbrook says no extension to OKC but has BOS on his list of teams he'd extend with and OKC wants to work out a deal it's very possible that IT, Brown, Zeller & BRK 17/18 could be on the table IMO but time is short (Sat or Sun) www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/macmullan-thunder-need-make-decision-westbrook-now?guid=Macmullanwestrbook725If Durant really didn't call Westbrook ahead of time, uh, yikes. Durant and Westbrook had been teammates for eight seasons and had grown up together personally and professionally. A courtesy call definitely should have happened somewhere along the line.
But what's done is done. It's up to Westbrook to decide whether he wants to be the face of the franchise or tell the front office to start the rebuild. With Dion Waiters leaving OKC for the Heat in free agency, the Thunder now have an opportunity to offer Westbrook a renegotiated extension, and his response will dictate whether the Thunder turn Westbrook into the centerpiece of the team or one of the biggest trades in recent NBA history.
www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/russell-westbrook-kevin-durant-warriors-thunder-nba-free-agency/1tx0oudz3jrbi1q83b1eveod05
I would leave Brown out of the equation.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 26, 2016 9:10:53 GMT -5
Without an extension, no Brown or BKN pick for Blake. Westbrook would be a tougher call - I'd push for Crowder, and try to keep Brown. IT would have to go in any Westbrook trade.
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Post by mellymel6 on Jul 26, 2016 9:18:12 GMT -5
Coming into the offseason we had three huge needs...interior defense (rim protection), rebounding and offense....As I look at this proposed revised lineup, while on paper the addition of Horford makes them better, I still see us as having done nothing to solve our three needs? C'mon DA, what ya gonna do ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 9:51:41 GMT -5
Horford's best years are likely behind him. He provides better offense than Sully but is certainly not a better rebounder. The rim protection might be slightly improved but Horford isn't noted for his great D. Unless Brown Smart or Rozier steps up and becomes a semi star were basically the same as last year. Im happy we didn't waste a lot of money on the second tier free agents other than that nothing of great importance has happened. I'm with Chrisjay package IT while his stock is high. We'll never be a contender if he's our starting PG. At this point another close to 50 win season is possible but we have made no in roads to getting closer to the finals.
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 26, 2016 10:17:46 GMT -5
I hope we are wrong about Hortford. But I am with you guys. Hortford is just an addition to the roster but not so great of improvement of what we had. But I hope we are wrong, too much $$ on him and lots of expectations.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 26, 2016 10:50:53 GMT -5
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Post by croc on Jul 26, 2016 11:41:32 GMT -5
Horford is a big improvement over Sullinger. He is a rim defender. He can score from the outside or inside. He can actually *gasp* play D.
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 26, 2016 11:58:06 GMT -5
You are right, he was one of the best free agents of this class. I have never EVER been a fan of his game. Lets be honest, he is Ok. Free Agents that I would have loved in this team Hayward (wont be a FA till next season), Durant of course, Paul George, Butler. Thats the position I value the most. Any player who is a star & plays that position, will always be a game changer. No matter what though, I am on board with the C's plans but lets be real, we spent a lot of money on this guy. He better deliver. THats a fact. And I dont mean the stats he produced in his last year with Atlanta, we need more than that. Way more than that.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 26, 2016 12:47:46 GMT -5
You are right, he was one of the best free agents of this class. I have never EVER been a fan of his game. Lets be honest, he is Ok. Free Agents that I would have loved in this team Hayward (wont be a FA till next season), Durant of course, Paul George, Butler. Thats the position I value the most. Any player who is a star & plays that position, will always be a game changer. No matter what though, I am on board with the C's plans but lets be real, we spent a lot of money on this guy. He better deliver. THats a fact. And I dont mean the stats he produced in his last year with Atlanta, we need more than that. Way more than that. I think we may be able to get Hayward next year. He has an out - although Utah will not be too bad this year. I also think Horford is at least as good a rebounder as Sully. Remember he had Millsap last year. This year he will be expected to rebound, and I think he will. The roster is not yet complete, but I'd go to war with this team right now!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jul 26, 2016 12:49:32 GMT -5
Horford is a big improvement over Sullinger. He is a rim defender. He can score from the outside or inside. He can actually *gasp* play D. Yes, I agree. And "if" Amir is over his foot problems, Mickey shows any promise, and Zeller can play the way he did two years ago, we will be MUCH better. Of course, we are at the stage where "MUCH" may only be 5 wins or so...................
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Post by Admin on Jul 26, 2016 12:51:03 GMT -5
The significance to the Heat signing of Waiters today is that it opens up cap space for OKC who can now try to extend Westbrook before the Jul30th deadline ... how's this important to the Celtics? 1) OKC needs to get a definitive answer from Westbrook on that extension asap so they know how to proceed 2) If Westbrook won't agree to an extension, OKC must consider trading him and will get more in return if he'll tell them what teams he'd be willing to sign an extension with otherwise their return will be minimal as a rental and the Jul30th deadline is moot 3) Once they have that short list they can decide which teams they can get the best return from and try to consummate a trade by the weekend Note: Danny knows this for sure and this may explain why the C's have not yet signed Brown or executed the Zeller contract. If the Westbrook Renegotiate-Extend deadline comes and goes with no activity then the C's should sign all their outstanding contracts. To chrisjay re IT: If indeed Westbrook says no extension to OKC but has BOS on his list of teams he'd extend with and OKC wants to work out a deal it's very possible that IT, Brown, Zeller & BRK 17/18 could be on the table IMO but time is short (Sat or Sun) www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/macmullan-thunder-need-make-decision-westbrook-now?guid=Macmullanwestrbook725If Durant really didn't call Westbrook ahead of time, uh, yikes. Durant and Westbrook had been teammates for eight seasons and had grown up together personally and professionally. A courtesy call definitely should have happened somewhere along the line.
But what's done is done. It's up to Westbrook to decide whether he wants to be the face of the franchise or tell the front office to start the rebuild. With Dion Waiters leaving OKC for the Heat in free agency, the Thunder now have an opportunity to offer Westbrook a renegotiated extension, and his response will dictate whether the Thunder turn Westbrook into the centerpiece of the team or one of the biggest trades in recent NBA history.
www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/russell-westbrook-kevin-durant-warriors-thunder-nba-free-agency/1tx0oudz3jrbi1q83b1eveod05
I would leave Brown out of the equation. So would I but consider the facts ... Brown has yet to be signed and there's only one reason to explain why. It's a know fact that Presti thinks Brown is the next Vince Carter. If you were Presti and had to move Westbrook after trading Ibaka and loosing Durant for nothing, wouldn't it set the rebuild back into high gear if you at least got Browm Thomas and one or two BRK picks to rebuild with?
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Post by croc on Jul 26, 2016 16:14:25 GMT -5
Lifshatz on 98.5 today...Griffin deal has fallen through. The reason Griffin fell through was Doc didn't want to deal him, and especially not to the Celts.
A huh???!!! Not because he wouldn't extend as suggested before by from the Lips of Shat. It's pure putrifying whale garbage.
IMO Westbrook might be available since OKC isn't taking another empty bath, but he's not going to extend. So the C's *could* send a LOT of currency to the Thunder for a 1 year rental. AND they could deal for Okafor for some more currency. They might contend with the Cavs -one year- and maybe, just maybe get to the Finals to be throttled by the Warriors.
Please DA just find a reasonable deal for Okafor and look for anther incremental improvement in 2017
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 16:23:57 GMT -5
Lifshatz on 98.5 today...Griffin deal has fallen through. The reason Griffin fell through was Doc didn't want to deal him, and especially not to the Celts. A huh???!!! Not because he wouldn't extend as suggested before by from the Lips of Shat. It's pure putrifying whale garbage. IMO Westbrook might be available since OKC isn't taking another empty bath, but he's not going to extend. So the C's *could* send a LOT of currency to the Thunder for a 1 year rental. AND they could deal for Okafor for some more currency. They might contend with the Cavs -one year- and maybe, just maybe get to the Finals to be throttled by the Warriors. Please DA just find a reasonable deal for Okafor and look for anther incremental improvement in 2017 Yes that's the way i've been reading this all along. Okafor and less so Noel seem to be the only deal we have a shot at. The sixers held out till this time for the same reasons is my guess. Ainge won't steal Okafor he will have to make a fair offer now. Sanders could prove to be a wildcard for the next couple weeks. I sse him going to the Bucks but he is a better fit here than Okafor and maybe Noel. The sixers will set tight till he signs is my guess. The ball has been moving towards their court sense the draft.
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Post by Admin on Jul 26, 2016 16:34:44 GMT -5
Lifshatz on 98.5 today...Griffin deal has fallen through. The reason Griffin fell through was Doc didn't want to deal him, and especially not to the Celts. A huh???!!! Not because he wouldn't extend as suggested before by from the Lips of Shat. It's pure putrifying whale garbage. IMO Westbrook might be available since OKC isn't taking another empty bath, but he's not going to extend. So the C's *could* send a LOT of currency to the Thunder for a 1 year rental. AND they could deal for Okafor for some more currency. They might contend with the Cavs -one year- and maybe, just maybe get to the Finals to be throttled by the Warriors. Please DA just find a reasonable deal for Okafor and look for anther incremental improvement in 2017 Yes that's the way i've been reading this all along. Okafor and less so Noel seem to be the only deal we have a shot at. The sixers held out till this time for the same reasons is my guess. Ainge won't steal Okafor he will have to make a fair offer now. Sanders could prove to be a wildcard for the next couple weeks. I sse him going to the Bucks but he is a better fit here than Okafor and maybe Noel. The sixers will set tight till he signs is my guess. The ball has been moving towards their court sense the draft. You sound like a "sparklers" over "fireworks" guy ... LOL!!! chowderandchampions.com/2016/07/24/celtics-off-season-full-sparklers/Sure, adding Al Horford who is the biggest free agent signing in team history is great, and adding the third overall pick in this years draft (Jaylen Brown) to an already young nucleus is great too. The only problem is that both are secondary moves, the primary move hasn’t happened.
If there is a deal out there that involves moving any or all future first round picks for a top 10 player in the league, the Celtics have to do it. Ainge might not get another shot at fireworks.
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Post by Admin on Jul 26, 2016 16:39:28 GMT -5
Didn't Lifshatz say that he expected the deal would be done by now and that Doc must have gotten cold feet?
I didn't hear him say it has fallen through but I may have missed that part of the show ...
Personally I think the Westbrook trade has more legs as Presti, unlike Doc, is able to reason and make sound decisions.
Now it's a matter of will Westbrook work to help OKC if he doesn't intend to stay long term cuz Presti isn't gonna let him play the upcoming season and then walk away for nothing despite what WB would like to do. It's "shit or get off the pot" time for WB ... 1) stay in OKC long term, 2) agree to a trade-extension to another team or 3) accept being traded to whoever-makes-the-best-offer-for-a-rental and face the music ...
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