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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2022 15:04:08 GMT -5
We just signed Trevion Williams to a Summer League deal.
At 6' 10", perhaps he might have more upside than pick #53.......I think it's a nice signing. But we need more vets now to compete. Plenty of time, I react as things happen......lol
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2022 15:10:01 GMT -5
Um....guys....
Development <> playing time.
You can carry a guy on your bench and still get him better via coaching and practice.
At the end of the day, the player needs to earn his playing time. He does that by practicing hard and getting better before he ever sees the court.
Development and playing time are not as correlated as people think and are not linear.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2022 15:11:06 GMT -5
Davision will probably spend the entire season in the G League. Maybe 2. He's not ready right now, and only a fool would say otherwise. Brad is not done. I heard his interview on the radio this morning. He's looking hard at USING the TPE on a player. I don't think he wants to break up the core, but he knows we need to improve right now. Development from within is probably not referring to Davison THIS year. It probably refers to Nesmith, Grant, Rob and even Brown (ball handling) and Tatum (ditto). We were two wins away from the title, with a first year coach. You guys are brutal!I've said this on an earlier post..........if we think coming two wins from a NBA Title means a hill of beans next season, then we're delusional. When I hear others say .... " Only Celtics fans would think they'll be right back in the Finals next season with the same team as this season", this Celtics Nation thinking is what they're referring to. Our biggest hope is that Kyrie leaves BKN and MIA loses PJ Tucker and MIL loses some of its depth and PHI remains a train wreck as positives for a successful next season. Regardless of this season, we will have to get better, NOT FROM INTERNAL ORGANIC GROWTH ONLY. If we don't add some players (true PG, pure shooter, veteran bench scorer or two, a consistent 3rd scorer behind JT and JB), we'll have a good regular season and get dispatched in the playoffs again. And don't believe that some Celtics players haven't already reached their peak although we won't admit it. In my opinion, the only Celtics who have not reached their peak are JT and JB. How much better will any other Celtics player become in the next 3 years? I try to refrain from making blanket statements. I've said multiple times we need to improve for next year. And I've also said we need to add players from outside. I will NOT say, however, that I know with absolute certainty (respectfully which is how your comment came across) that players have reached their ceilings. I agree we need all the items you listed, with the possible exception of "true" PG. In his first year as starting PG, Smart averaged 5.9 assists/game. 17th in the league. Again, I see room for improvement there. We need toughness, IMO, as well as bench players who can score consistently. We both want the same thing, I'm just looking at the glass as half full.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2022 15:11:34 GMT -5
Having a team full of vets HELPS a rookie develop, as he has players to learn from. Prob more so than just throwing him out there and crossing fingers.
Nesmith cant crack the lineup cuz he cant get better. And he should not need playing time to get better.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2022 15:12:40 GMT -5
Im with Hed, crowd is unreasonably tough in here. We cant develop players? We just went to the Finals with a very young team.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2022 15:13:40 GMT -5
Um....guys.... Development <> playing time. You can carry a guy on your bench and still get him better via coaching and practice. At the end of the day, the player needs to earn his playing time. He does that by practicing hard and getting better before he ever sees the court. Development and playing time are not as correlated as people think and are not linear. no, but being able to play and development are related. My opinion is that Nesmith kept getting hurt after a few good games, then had to work his way back into the lineup. Then, he'd play well, then get hurt again. I felt badly for the kid. In the end, again, MY opinion, he ran out of time to crack the playoff rotation. I think everyone was hoping he would. Hopefully this will be the year he can stay healthy. (if he's not traded)
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Post by cole on Jun 24, 2022 15:13:59 GMT -5
Im with Hed, crowd is unreasonably tough in here. We cant develop players? We just went to the Finals with a very young team. Well they say in Boston they only count championships.
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Post by petey62 on Jun 24, 2022 15:17:06 GMT -5
Ime did not "develop" GWill or Rob Williams. As for GWill, Ime HAD to play him by default and he was as inconsistent as any 3rd year player could be. He made a lot of errors but, with consistent minutes, you expect improved performance. Rob Williams was always this defensive force. All he needed was to stay somewhat healthy and he stayed healthy enough to reap the rewards of that. But Rob didn't DEVELOP into this impactful defensive player. We knew what we had in him. Per Brad's comment about developing players TOO while playing to win, Nesmith could have played and developed TOO while we were playing to win games. Nesmith played in 52 regular season games and tallied 16 "Did Not Play - Coaches Decision". He was "Did Not Play - Inactive" due to injury for 14 games. If Ime wanted Nesmith in the rotation, he would not have sat him for 16 DNP-CDs. Ime would have played him and let him make errors and learn and develop with minutes. Outside of a few games, highlighted by his MIL miracle, GWill's best moments were on the defensive end. And given the fewer minutes given to Nesmith, he too had his best moments on the defensive end. Given more minutes, Nesmith "might have" found his shot. But he would have become even more of a defensive contributor. All speculation on Nesmith. 52 out of 82 games is a fair shot, IMO. Every time he earned minutes, he got hurt. Do you really think that if he gave us 5-10 PPG we would have won two more games? I don't. It all comes down to the starters. You said "Ime didn't have a choice". EXACTLY!! So, he took a marginal, undersized PF and got him significant minutes. The White trade was key, as was dumping Kanter, Richardson and Schroeder. Since you've looked stuff up, tell me, how many of those DNP-CD's came right after he was injured? I'd venture to say half. So, a guy coming back from injury, close game...........I wouldn't play him, either. He also got hurt at the end of the year when we were playing really well, and Ime was building his rotation. I really love your comments, and I respect the hell out of you, but you're too negative. We were two wins from the Finals, with a rookie coach (cue your Middleton comment here). Doesn't matter who was hurt, it only matters we made it. No one is saying we don't need improvement, but if the guys we have all get better, we could be right back next year. Who to use with the TPE? I like Morris for toughness, or Fournier for offense. But, it will be someone no one here has mentioned, and we'll all go back and forth on whether is was a good move or not. Sorry, "might" have found his shot doens't win us two more games. Grant should have played over Nesmith this year. I really hope next year it's the other way around. I wonder if Ime would get any credit in that scenario........... Everything we do here is "speculation". Neither of us work for the Boston Celtics. Nothing I post has more value or validity than what you post, and vice versa. All we're doing here is "speculating". You say I'm negative and I respect your opinion, but I've been posting here for awhile and if there is one thing I'm going to do, that is be realistic. I'm going to post what I see, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NOT YOURS. When you post " but if the guys we have all get better, we could be right back next year." REALISTICALLY how does that sound? REALISTICALLY, in what universe would most/all Celtics players get better in this offseason such that we get back to the Finals? You obviously are not factoring in any other components (other teams getting better, several Celtics players NOT getting better this offseason). Call me NEGATIVE but I'm not going to think that Horford, Theis and RWill will individually work this offseason and get better, raising their games even in the slightest. I doubt RWill will come back next season with a mid-range jump shot off pick and roll. Again, call me NEGATIVE to think that Smart is going to do something this offseason and get better, raising his game. Honestly, the only two candidates where, again there's that word, REALISTICALLY, there is room for that growth is with JT and JB. We're gonna need more than JT and JB improving their games to return to the Finals. You can depend on guys on the current roster "getting better" but I'll take another approach.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2022 15:20:35 GMT -5
Um....guys.... Development <> playing time. You can carry a guy on your bench and still get him better via coaching and practice. At the end of the day, the player needs to earn his playing time. He does that by practicing hard and getting better before he ever sees the court. Development and playing time are not as correlated as people think and are not linear. no, but being able to play and development are related. My opinion is that Nesmith kept getting hurt after a few good games, then had to work his way back into the lineup. Then, he'd play well, then get hurt again. I felt badly for the kid. In the end, again, MY opinion, he ran out of time to crack the playoff rotation. I think everyone was hoping he would. Hopefully this will be the year he can stay healthy. (if he's not traded) You need to get the development started before you get any playing time on a playoff team. Eventually, you'll need the PT to reach your ceiling. But even without PT , you are working with NBA level coaches and participating in NBA level practices. They run game-like skirmishes. If you cant get any better through practice, skirmishes, and coaching....Then I have a hard time pointing to lack of meaningful game minutes as the reason why the player is stuck in neutral. Somethings wrong with the prospect.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2022 15:21:26 GMT -5
All speculation on Nesmith. 52 out of 82 games is a fair shot, IMO. Every time he earned minutes, he got hurt. Do you really think that if he gave us 5-10 PPG we would have won two more games? I don't. It all comes down to the starters. You said "Ime didn't have a choice". EXACTLY!! So, he took a marginal, undersized PF and got him significant minutes. The White trade was key, as was dumping Kanter, Richardson and Schroeder. Since you've looked stuff up, tell me, how many of those DNP-CD's came right after he was injured? I'd venture to say half. So, a guy coming back from injury, close game...........I wouldn't play him, either. He also got hurt at the end of the year when we were playing really well, and Ime was building his rotation. I really love your comments, and I respect the hell out of you, but you're too negative. We were two wins from the Finals, with a rookie coach (cue your Middleton comment here). Doesn't matter who was hurt, it only matters we made it. No one is saying we don't need improvement, but if the guys we have all get better, we could be right back next year. Who to use with the TPE? I like Morris for toughness, or Fournier for offense. But, it will be someone no one here has mentioned, and we'll all go back and forth on whether is was a good move or not. Sorry, "might" have found his shot doens't win us two more games. Grant should have played over Nesmith this year. I really hope next year it's the other way around. I wonder if Ime would get any credit in that scenario........... Everything we do here is "speculation". Neither of us work for the Boston Celtics. Nothing I post has more value or validity than what you post, and vice versa. All we're doing here is "speculating". You say I'm negative and I respect your opinion, but I've been posting here for awhile and if there is one thing I'm going to do, that is be realistic. I'm going to post what I see, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NOT YOURS. When you post " but if the guys we have all get better, we could be right back next year." REALISTICALLY how does that sound? REALISTICALLY, in what universe would most/all Celtics players get better in this offseason such that we get back to the Finals? You obviously are not factoring in any other components (other teams getting better, several Celtics players NOT getting better this offseason). Call me NEGATIVE but I'm not going to think that Horford, Theis and RWill will individually work this offseason and get better, raising their games even in the slightest. I doubt RWill will come back next season with a mid-range jump shot off pick and roll. Again, call me NEGATIVE to think that Smart is going to do something this offseason and get better, raising his game. Honestly, the only two candidates where, again there's that word, REALISTICALLY, there is room for that growth is with JT and JB. We're gonna need more than JT and JB improving their games to return to the Finals. You can depend on guys on the current roster "getting better" but I'll take another approach. What is your approach? To blow up the team?
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2022 15:21:49 GMT -5
Im with Hed, crowd is unreasonably tough in here. We cant develop players? We just went to the Finals with a very young team. Well they say in Boston they only count championships. Who is they? The negative media being hard on the team cuz they want to brand themselves?
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Post by petey62 on Jun 24, 2022 15:28:00 GMT -5
Im with Hed, crowd is unreasonably tough in here. We cant develop players? We just went to the Finals with a very young team. We went to the Finals with a tried and deep playoff-tested team. The Conference Finals experience that Tatum, Brown, and Smart have is a MAJOR factor in the Celtics going to the Finals. Even RWill and GWill have played in Conference Finals. We are young in age but our young players have played in critical games over the past 4 - 5 years such that our experience isn't young.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2022 15:30:05 GMT -5
Davision will probably spend the entire season in the G League. Maybe 2. He's not ready right now, and only a fool would say otherwise. Brad is not done. I heard his interview on the radio this morning. He's looking hard at USING the TPE on a player. I don't think he wants to break up the core, but he knows we need to improve right now. Development from within is probably not referring to Davison THIS year. It probably refers to Nesmith, Grant, Rob and even Brown (ball handling) and Tatum (ditto). We were two wins away from the title, with a first year coach. You guys are brutal!I've said this on an earlier post.......... if we think coming two wins from a NBA Title means a hill of beans next season, then we're delusional. When I hear others say .... " Only Celtics fans would think they'll be right back in the Finals next season with the same team as this season", this Celtics Nation thinking is what they're referring to. Our biggest hope is that Kyrie leaves BKN and MIA loses PJ Tucker and MIL loses some of its depth and PHI remains a train wreck as positives for a successful next season. Regardless of this season, we will have to get better, NOT FROM INTERNAL ORGANIC GROWTH ONLY. If we don't add some players (true PG, pure shooter, veteran bench scorer or two, a consistent 3rd scorer behind JT and JB), we'll have a good regular season and get dispatched in the playoffs again. And don't believe that some Celtics players haven't already reached their peak although we won't admit it. In my opinion, the only Celtics who have not reached their peak are JT and JB. How much better will any other Celtics player become in the next 3 years? Someone wise once said (with a slight tweak in a cross out): "... Neither of us work for the Boston Celtics speaks for everybody....I'm going to post what I see, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NOT YOURS." From my perspective, getting to the finals means a lot. I had a blast rooting for this team and thoroughly enjoyed the year. They had a great turnaround season and gave us quality post-season games including 2 game 7 playoff wins. From my perspective, it was a GREAT year.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2022 15:35:18 GMT -5
I've said this on an earlier post.......... if we think coming two wins from a NBA Title means a hill of beans next season, then we're delusional. When I hear others say .... " Only Celtics fans would think they'll be right back in the Finals next season with the same team as this season", this Celtics Nation thinking is what they're referring to. Our biggest hope is that Kyrie leaves BKN and MIA loses PJ Tucker and MIL loses some of its depth and PHI remains a train wreck as positives for a successful next season. Regardless of this season, we will have to get better, NOT FROM INTERNAL ORGANIC GROWTH ONLY. If we don't add some players (true PG, pure shooter, veteran bench scorer or two, a consistent 3rd scorer behind JT and JB), we'll have a good regular season and get dispatched in the playoffs again. And don't believe that some Celtics players haven't already reached their peak although we won't admit it. In my opinion, the only Celtics who have not reached their peak are JT and JB. How much better will any other Celtics player become in the next 3 years? Someone wise once said (with a slight tweak in a cross out): "... Neither of us work for the Boston Celtics speaks for everybody....I'm going to post what I see, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NOT YOURS." From my perspective, getting to the finals means a lot. I had a blast rooting for this team and thoroughly enjoyed the year. They had a great turnaround season and gave us quality post-season games including 2 game 7 playoff wins. From my perspective, it was a GREAT year.Amen. But, I tried using the words "great season" once, and Petey ripped me a new one......LOL
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2022 15:35:49 GMT -5
Im with Hed, crowd is unreasonably tough in here. We cant develop players? We just went to the Finals with a very young team. We went to the Finals with a tried and deep playoff-tested team. The Conference Finals experience that Tatum, Brown, and Smart have is a MAJOR factor in the Celtics going to the Finals. Even RWill and GWill have played in Conference Finals. We are young in age but our young players have played in critical games over the past 4 - 5 years such that our experience isn't young. I hear you on that but we got our first taste of finals experience and added quite a few games to our playoff experience. There's a lot of road left in front of this core. Obviously. I understand there is no guarantee that we will ever be back. But Im pretty sure that in the history of the NBA, there are players who got critical playoff experience (even if it wasnt their first taste of playoff experience) and were better for it. The year, on the whole, was awesome. Both because of what they gave us this year (fun) and for its impact going forward. We're more likely to attract an MLE level free-agent now than we were. Tatum and Brown got their first taste of finals experience. Its a game of percentages not black/white. Maybe going forward, it doesnt guarantee us a ship in the next 3-6 years, but it elevates our chance.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 24, 2022 15:36:16 GMT -5
Someone wise once said (with a slight tweak in a cross out): "... Neither of us work for the Boston Celtics speaks for everybody....I'm going to post what I see, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NOT YOURS." From my perspective, getting to the finals means a lot. I had a blast rooting for this team and thoroughly enjoyed the year. They had a great turnaround season and gave us quality post-season games including 2 game 7 playoff wins. From my perspective, it was a GREAT year.Amen. But, I tried using the words "great season" once, and Petey ripped me a new one......LOL Well you shouldnt give internet strangers that power over you.
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Post by petey62 on Jun 24, 2022 15:39:34 GMT -5
Um....guys.... Development <> playing time. You can carry a guy on your bench and still get him better via coaching and practice. At the end of the day, the player needs to earn his playing time. He does that by practicing hard and getting better before he ever sees the court. Development and playing time are not as correlated as people think and are not linear. Drew, you'd be surprised how much NBA teams actually hold practice. As the season gets into the dog days of Feb, Mar and Apr, practices aren't necessarily intense, game-like scenarios where you can see what players can and cannot do. Practices after the All Star game get very laxed and are ramped up after the trade deadline to assimilate your incoming trade guys. But most teams don't have real practices where you get to see guys work. Plus, why do you think teams don't sign certain decent veterans? It's because oftentimes, these veterans will take playing time from a young guy who needs to develop. Coaches know the only way to truly develop a player is with NBA minutes, not walking practices. Development and playing time is directly correlated, especially with pressure on teams to see potential before rookie contracts expire. " As such, we should expect players who are given more opportunities to play in actual-game or game-like situations to better adjust to playing at the higher pace, speed, and skill of NBA basketball, while also learning how best to integrate into their own team’s play style and counter those of others." Guys will develop much more by playing NBA basketball, not by performing in walk-thru and low-intense practices.
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Post by petey62 on Jun 24, 2022 15:43:45 GMT -5
Everything we do here is "speculation". Neither of us work for the Boston Celtics. Nothing I post has more value or validity than what you post, and vice versa. All we're doing here is "speculating". You say I'm negative and I respect your opinion, but I've been posting here for awhile and if there is one thing I'm going to do, that is be realistic. I'm going to post what I see, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NOT YOURS. When you post " but if the guys we have all get better, we could be right back next year." REALISTICALLY how does that sound? REALISTICALLY, in what universe would most/all Celtics players get better in this offseason such that we get back to the Finals? You obviously are not factoring in any other components (other teams getting better, several Celtics players NOT getting better this offseason). Call me NEGATIVE but I'm not going to think that Horford, Theis and RWill will individually work this offseason and get better, raising their games even in the slightest. I doubt RWill will come back next season with a mid-range jump shot off pick and roll. Again, call me NEGATIVE to think that Smart is going to do something this offseason and get better, raising his game. Honestly, the only two candidates where, again there's that word, REALISTICALLY, there is room for that growth is with JT and JB. We're gonna need more than JT and JB improving their games to return to the Finals. You can depend on guys on the current roster "getting better" but I'll take another approach. What is your approach? To blow up the team? So you know, I won't answer your first question when you've already insinuated my response in the form of your second question. Nice of you to put a question mark at the end of the second sentence. However, I look at that and know you meant to put a period. Lol.
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Post by petey62 on Jun 24, 2022 15:50:03 GMT -5
Someone wise once said (with a slight tweak in a cross out): "... Neither of us work for the Boston Celtics speaks for everybody....I'm going to post what I see, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NOT YOURS." From my perspective, getting to the finals means a lot. I had a blast rooting for this team and thoroughly enjoyed the year. They had a great turnaround season and gave us quality post-season games including 2 game 7 playoff wins. From my perspective, it was a GREAT year.Amen. But, I tried using the words "great season" once, and Petey ripped me a new one......LOL I apologize if you felt I came down on you. That was never my intention and if you felt like I ripped you a new, one, I apologize.
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 24, 2022 16:34:16 GMT -5
Develope who? Grant and PP are not getting better. Leaves Nesmith who IME didn't play. Theis another ..One can only wonder why Stevens brought him back. Looks to me like Timmy and coach are not exactly on the same page. One can argue obtaining White and Theis did little down the stretch... Are you trying to sell me on the fact Grant Williams has NOT improved since his rookie year? No, one could NOT argue about White..........Theis maybe, but we were two wins away from the title, and we would not have been that close with Richardson, Schroder and Kanter............ yeah last 5 games of the playoffs Grant could guard no player for GS and averaged 4.2 points and shot 27% from the three. Grant and PP were useless.....yeah i already know you agree on PP I'm ok with White .. but.few here are
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 24, 2022 16:42:18 GMT -5
Amen. But, I tried using the words "great season" once, and Petey ripped me a new one......LOL Well you shouldnt give internet strangers that power over you. ha ha and ha and just ''who'' here is a stranger. We're internet friends........mostly. Why am i worried about KY? he's no stranger just tunes into the wrong channel
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 24, 2022 17:00:58 GMT -5
When can I get my JD Davison wig?!!!!
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2022 17:10:41 GMT -5
Ime has never had a first round draft pick. It's just wrong to say he doesn't develop players. He's only been a Head Coach for one year This guy was pick #53, NO ONE is saying he's the steal of the draft. Some of us think we did pretty well for only having one pick, #53. I would also argue that the "coaching tree" Ime comes from includes a coach who developed players named Robinson, Ginobli (second round pick), Parker, Duncan and Leonard. This guy is not the only answer for us next year, he won't win us the NBA title, there is more work to do. But, again, the arm chair GM's think they know more than Brad and think we blew this pick. Let the kid play, he's only 19. I'm not going to comment until I see him in Summer League.
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2022 17:14:48 GMT -5
Well you shouldnt give internet strangers that power over you. ha ha and ha and just ''who'' here is a stranger. We're internet friends........mostly. Why am i worried about KY? he's no stranger just tunes into the wrong channel
Prak is the one tuned into the wrong channel ... He's hung his hat at Sam's ... They get traffic there but we get more participation from members in most cases. Sometimes they have only 2-3 guys posting on threads.
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 24, 2022 17:15:23 GMT -5
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