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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2022 11:18:54 GMT -5
Now that's a realistic mouthful ... guys here all excited about a project and we can't even get a mid-1st RDP (Nesmith) minutes for an entire season!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2022 11:46:30 GMT -5
Keith Smith: Ime Udoka: “Our biggest improvement will be growth from within.” – via Twitter KeithSmithNBA Ime Udoka, Boston Celtics
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2022 11:46:32 GMT -5
After the NBA Draft, Boston Celtics President of Basketball Operations spoke to the media about their selection, the lack of movement on draft night, and other upcoming offseason decisions that rest in Boston’s future.
Stevens also spoke about the pre-draft rumors that Boston could look to move up into the late first-round or early second. He said that the asking price for those picks was just too high for the Celtics to engage in serious trade talks. “The cost for moving up was just too much for where we are, whether that was the 20s or even the 30s or low 40s, we got a list of guys we were comfortable with and as the day continued, we had a couple of guys that were still on our board to choose from,” Stevens revealed. Rumors circulated before the draft that the Celtics could be willing to part ways with bench pieces in favor of adding players toward the end of the first round, but in the end, they decided against it. When asked about the decision, Stevens said that trading away valuable assets and using their TPE isn’t something they wanted to do at this moment in time. “We talked about moving up, but parting with significant players on our team, or using our TPEs and other assets, wasn’t something we wanted to do right now,” said Stevens. The Celtics have a multitude of TPEs that can be used this summer, including ones worth $17.1 million (expires July 18), $6.7 million (expires January 19), and $5.9 million (expires February 10). See more details here. As far as using them, however, Stevens doesn’t feel pressured. He said that even if the $17.1 million TPE expires, the Celtics are confident in their ability to utilize other, smaller TPEs, all of which won’t expire until around next year’s trade deadline. Stevens also hinted that Boston already has their eyes on some players who could fit into their TPEs, and while they may not have made any moves on draft night, there could be some action in store this summer. “We’ve talked about that for a while. We know who fits in that TPE and who might be available. Now, it’s about cost,” Stevens stated. “We decided tonight that we didn’t find anything we were ready to use the TPE on. But things are just getting started.”
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2022 12:12:55 GMT -5
Celtics eager to develop JD Davison amid talented roster: ‘He’ll be able to put some heat on us with his speed’
(AP Photo/Chris O'Meara) By Brian Robb | brobb@masslive.com
The Celtics have taken plenty of young raw talent in the past two NBA drafts in the second round. That trend continued on Thursday night when Boston selected Alabama guard JD Davison with the No. 53 overall pick.
The 19-year-old will have an uphill battle to earn a spot on a talented 15-man roster for Boston but Brad Stevens was eager to talk about Davison’s promise after making the selection.
The Celtics confirmed that Davison will be playing in Summer League in Las Vegas next month with a host of other young players that made up the back end of Boston’s bench this year. While Davison seems to be a more likely fit for a two-way contract than a roster spot given his age, the former five-star recruit has the athleticism that makes him an intriguing developmental project according to Boston’s scouting.
Admin Comment: That's a lie ... winning means we can suddenly see Udoka giving his bench more developmental minutes? I want to see it!
Davison will make his summer debut with the Celtics on July 11th in Las Vegas.
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 24, 2022 12:25:45 GMT -5
“We’re in a position roster-wise where we can focus on the development of a young player, too,” Stevens said. “I think that’s important. We traded the last couple of first-round picks. We like the guys that are playing overseas, both Yam (Madar) and Juhann (Begarin) are guys that are consistently getting better and we think highly of."
Admin Comment: That's a lie ... winning means we can suddenly see Udoka giving his bench more developmental minutes? I want to see it!
100 % lies agree
Timmy is just an Ainge redo and the bullshit continues.
Folks here said we need to upgrade the bench Both PP and Grant should have left .
Think the shit is getting over my boots i'll vacate this barnyard for a while
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2022 12:35:02 GMT -5
How can it be a "lie" if it hasn't happened yet?
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Post by petey62 on Jun 24, 2022 12:35:19 GMT -5
Brad has to realize that nobody is buying his analysis. Ime does not "develop raw talents". Ime is from a coaching tree that relies on veteran core players and very little on bench players.
Brad is saying one thing but, in the background, Ime is saying to himself.........."Brad, I'm not going to spend minutes putting a "developmental" player on the court to mess up. Heck I didn't put Nesmith on the court and he wouldn't be considered a "developmental" player."
I hate when management's spin is "athletic freak, upside, developmental" when we really haven't "developed" any raw talented players that I can think of. We just don't have that patience.
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2022 12:48:33 GMT -5
How can it be a "lie" if it hasn't happened yet?
Suddenly we've gone from "Contender" to "Developer?"
I don't think so ... That's justifying his pick is all ... Ainge-Speak.
I'm already reading that JD Davison was a steal!
In my Mazzaroti voice: "Yeah, the C's got the steal of the draft."
Please ... and now we got lucky he "feel to us" as he was projected to go higher ... Right!
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2022 12:54:22 GMT -5
Brad has to realize that nobody is buying his analysis. Ime does not "develop raw talents". Ime is from a coaching tree that relies on veteran core players and very little on bench players. Brad is saying one thing but, in the background, Ime is saying to himself.........."Brad, I'm not going to spend minutes putting a "developmental" player on the court to mess up. Heck I didn't put Nesmith on the court and he wouldn't be considered a "developmental" player." I hate when management's spin is "athletic freak, upside, developmental" when we really haven't "developed" any raw talented players that I can think of. We just don't have that patience.
And Ime is already talking about getting a vet scorer to help off the bench ... I just posted this:
and he goes on to say that a winning team with young stars under contract will help attract vet talent and that he has connections with vets from his coaching jobs with vets looking to hook up with a winner ... vet minimum guys or TPEs that could help.
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2022 12:56:28 GMT -5
Suddenly the left hand doesn't agree with the right hand?
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Post by petey62 on Jun 24, 2022 13:05:16 GMT -5
How can it be a "lie" if it hasn't happened yet? This spin by Brad Stevens is not true and nobody is buying it based on this past season: “ We’re in a position roster-wise where we can focus on the development of a young player, too,” Stevens said. “I think that’s important. We traded the last couple of first-round picks. We like the guys that are playing overseas, both Yam (Madar) and Juhann (Begarin) are guys that are consistently getting better and we think highly of." Roster-wise, the Celtics ARE NOT in a position where we can focus on the development of a young player. The Celtics desperately need players who can come in and contribute consistently. We don't need "developmental project" guys to sit on the bench and GET NO PLAYING TIME. We need guys like TJ Warren, Norman Powell, Nerlens Noel and Pat Connaughton to help take some of the heavy load off our starters who got run into the ground. Guys like Yam and Juhann ARE THOSE DEVELOPMENTAL GUYS. We don't need one more who can't do the things either of those guys can. I think we'll see in the summer league that Davison shows very little NBA skills. But he can jump high although he cannot shoot and turns the ball over way too much. Just what the Celtics need as a developmental project.
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Post by cole on Jun 24, 2022 13:14:05 GMT -5
Suddenly the left hand doesn't agree with the right hand? I say leave room for the chasers
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2022 13:42:55 GMT -5
The operative word is "TOO." We can win AND work on developing players, TOO!
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2022 13:46:12 GMT -5
If we are interested in developing players why didn't Brad sign Gabe Brown, after having him in twice for workouts, as an undrafted free agent? Thunder To Sign Gabe Brown To Exhibit 10 ContractJune 24th, 2022 at 1:24pm CST by Luke Adams
After going undrafted on Thursday, Michigan State forward Gabe Brown has reached a deal to sign with the Thunder, reports Adam Zagoria of ZagsBlog.com (Twitter link). While Zagoria categorizes Brown’s deal as partially guaranteed, Jake Weingarten of StockRisers.com tweets that it’s an Exhibit 10 contract. An Exhibit 10 is a one-year, non-guaranteed minimum-salary contract that counts toward a team’s 20-man offseason roster limit, but doesn’t count against the cap unless the player makes the regular season roster. A player on an Exhibit 10 contract can earn a bonus of up to $50K if he’s waived and then joins his team’s G League affiliate, which may be the partial guarantee Zagoria was referring to. A player can also have his Exhibit 10deal converted into a two-way contract before the start of the regular season. Ranked by ESPN as the No. 22 prospect of the undrafted rookies, Brown entered the starting lineup on a full-time basis for the Spartans as a senior in 2021/22, averaging 11.6 PPG and 3.8 RPG with a .382 3PT% in 36 games (28.9 MPG). He earned a spot on the All-Big 10 Third Team before going pro this spring. Brown’s deal with Oklahoma City can become official after the new NBA league year begins on July 1.
Spurs Agree To Deals With Kyler Edwards, Darius Days, Jordan HallJune 24th, 2022 at 1:07pm CST by Luke AdamsThe Spurs and undrafted rookie guard Kyler Edwards have agreed to an Exhibit 10 deal, agent Aman Dhesi tells Mark Berman of Fox 26 Houston (Twitter link). Edwards will also play for San Antonio’s Summer League team. Edwards spent his first three college years at Texas Tech before transferring to Houston for the 2021/22 season. He was a full-time starter for the Cougars as a senior, averaging 13.8 points, 5.9 rebounds, and 3.2 assists per game in 37 appearances (34.1 MPG), though his field goal percentage dipped to 36.9%. Edwards opted to forgo his final year of NCAA eligibility and go pro this year. In addition to Edwards, the Spurs have also reached deals with undrafted rookies Darius Days and Jordan Hall, according to Jake Weingarten of StockRisers.com and Richard Stayman of MavsDraft.com, respectively (Twitter links).
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2022 13:49:46 GMT -5
Ime has never had a first round draft pick. It's just wrong to say he doesn't develop players. He's only been a Head Coach for one year
This guy was pick #53, NO ONE is saying he's the steal of the draft. Some of us think we did pretty well for only having one pick, #53.
I would also argue that the "coaching tree" Ime comes from includes a coach who developed players named Robinson, Ginobli (second round pick), Parker, Duncan and Leonard.
This guy is not the only answer for us next year, he won't win us the NBA title, there is more work to do. But, again, the arm chair GM's think they know more than Brad and think we blew this pick. Let the kid play, he's only 19. I'm not going to comment until I see him in Summer League.
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 24, 2022 13:57:29 GMT -5
Develope who? Grant and PP are not getting better.
Leaves Nesmith who IME didn't play.
Theis another ..One can only wonder why Stevens brought him back.
Looks to me like Timmy and coach are not exactly on the same page.
One can argue obtaining White and Theis did little down the stretch...
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2022 14:00:38 GMT -5
Develope who? Grant and PP are not getting better. Leaves Nesmith who IME didn't play. Theis another ..One can only wonder why Stevens brought him back. Looks to me like Timmy and coach are not exactly on the same page. One can argue obtaining White and Theis did little down the stretch... Are you trying to sell me on the fact Grant Williams has NOT improved since his rookie year? No, one could NOT argue about White..........Theis maybe, but we were two wins away from the title, and we would not have been that close with Richardson, Schroder and Kanter............
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Post by petey62 on Jun 24, 2022 14:01:05 GMT -5
Ime has never had a first round draft pick. It's just wrong to say he doesn't develop players. He's only been a Head Coach for one year This guy was pick #53, NO ONE is saying he's the steal of the draft. Some of us think we did pretty well for only having one pick, #53. I would also argue that the "coaching tree" Ime comes from includes a coach who developed players named Robinson, Ginobli (second round pick), Parker, Duncan and Leonard. This guy is not the only answer for us next year, he won't win us the NBA title, there is more work to do. But, again, the arm chair GM's think they know more than Brad and think we blew this pick. Let the kid play, he's only 19. I'm not going to comment until I see him in Summer League. There is not that much "developing" of guys like Robinson, Parker, Duncan and Leonard. And Ginobili could play the day he stepped onto the court in SAS. To compare JD Davison to those Hall of Fame players somewhat crushes your credibility on this topic. I know Ime has been coach for one season and we saw NO young player development. We saw inconsistent minutes given to PP and much less to Nesmith. If there were ever two candidates for young player development, those would have been two. That did not happen so why would it happen with this guy? And again, we got guys like Yam and Johann (sp?) WHO NEED THAT DEVELOPMENT FIRST so it's hard to believe Stevens believes in his nonsense statement. I doubt Davison gets any NBA experience this season, unlike Carson Edwards. I doubt he will have any kind of summer league impact like Edwards a few years back or like Nesmith and PP had even last summer league.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2022 14:02:44 GMT -5
Both Ime and Brad have said they wanted Nesmith to be part of the rotation. AND, he WAS!! The kid kept getting hurt. He was given multiple chances this year. I really hope he improves and stays healthy next year, I think he's good!! BUT......he should not have played in the playoffs this year, he did not earn the minutes in the regular season.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2022 14:05:18 GMT -5
Ime has never had a first round draft pick. It's just wrong to say he doesn't develop players. He's only been a Head Coach for one year This guy was pick #53, NO ONE is saying he's the steal of the draft. Some of us think we did pretty well for only having one pick, #53. I would also argue that the "coaching tree" Ime comes from includes a coach who developed players named Robinson, Ginobli (second round pick), Parker, Duncan and Leonard. This guy is not the only answer for us next year, he won't win us the NBA title, there is more work to do. But, again, the arm chair GM's think they know more than Brad and think we blew this pick. Let the kid play, he's only 19. I'm not going to comment until I see him in Summer League. There is not that much "developing" of guys like Robinson, Parker, Duncan and Leonard. And Ginobili could play the day he stepped onto the court in SAS. To compare JD Davison to those Hall of Fame players somewhat crushes your credibility on this topic. I know Ime has been coach for one season and we saw NO young player development. We saw inconsistent minutes given to PP and much less to Nesmith. If there were ever two candidates for young player development, those would have been two. That did not happen so why would it happen with this guy? And again, we got guys like Yam and Johann (sp?) WHO NEED THAT DEVELOPMENT FIRST so it's hard to believe Stevens believes in his nonsense statement. I doubt Davison gets any NBA experience this season, unlike Carson Edwards. I doubt he will have any kind of summer league impact like Edwards a few years back or like Nesmith and PP had even last summer league. Ah, I'm not compaing Davison to anyone. He may never play for us. It's just wrong to say Ime hasn't developed players. He said many times he wanted Nesmith to be in the rotation, but the kid kept getting hurt. PP has reached his ceiling. Back up PG. You conveniently left out Grant Williams and Rob Williams, who each got so much better this year.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2022 14:09:48 GMT -5
Davision will probably spend the entire season in the G League. Maybe 2. He's not ready right now, and only a fool would say otherwise. Brad is not done. I heard his interview on the radio this morning. He's looking hard at USING the TPE on a player. I don't think he wants to break up the core, but he knows we need to improve right now. Development from within is probably not referring to Davison THIS year. It probably refers to Nesmith, Grant, Rob and even Brown (ball handling) and Tatum (ditto). We were two wins away from the title, with a first year coach. You guys are brutal!
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Post by Cabutan on Jun 24, 2022 14:17:23 GMT -5
We should know by now that at #53 is hard to find a gem. Whether this is it or not, we will find out. But I would have taken a gamble on a big. What do I know though, these guys always find better players than the ones I name. I hope it works. I hope it is the steal.
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Post by petey62 on Jun 24, 2022 14:34:56 GMT -5
There is not that much "developing" of guys like Robinson, Parker, Duncan and Leonard. And Ginobili could play the day he stepped onto the court in SAS. To compare JD Davison to those Hall of Fame players somewhat crushes your credibility on this topic. I know Ime has been coach for one season and we saw NO young player development. We saw inconsistent minutes given to PP and much less to Nesmith. If there were ever two candidates for young player development, those would have been two. That did not happen so why would it happen with this guy? And again, we got guys like Yam and Johann (sp?) WHO NEED THAT DEVELOPMENT FIRST so it's hard to believe Stevens believes in his nonsense statement. I doubt Davison gets any NBA experience this season, unlike Carson Edwards. I doubt he will have any kind of summer league impact like Edwards a few years back or like Nesmith and PP had even last summer league. Ah, I'm not compaing Davison to anyone. He may never play for us. It's just wrong to say Ime hasn't developed players. He said many times he wanted Nesmith to be in the rotation, but the kid kept getting hurt. PP has reached his ceiling. Back up PG. You conveniently left out Grant Williams and Rob Williams, who each got so much better this year. Ime did not "develop" GWill or Rob Williams. As for GWill, Ime HAD to play him by default and he was as inconsistent as any 3rd year player could be. He made a lot of errors but, with consistent minutes, you expect improved performance. Rob Williams was always this defensive force. All he needed was to stay somewhat healthy and he stayed healthy enough to reap the rewards of that. But Rob didn't DEVELOP into this impactful defensive player. We knew what we had in him. Per Brad's comment about developing players TOO while playing to win, Nesmith could have played and developed TOO while we were playing to win games. Nesmith played in 52 regular season games and tallied 16 "Did Not Play - Coaches Decision". He was "Did Not Play - Inactive" due to injury for 14 games. If Ime wanted Nesmith in the rotation, he would not have sat him for 16 DNP-CDs. Ime would have played him and let him make errors and learn and develop with minutes. Outside of a few games, highlighted by his MIL miracle, GWill's best moments were on the defensive end. And given the fewer minutes given to Nesmith, he too had his best moments on the defensive end. Given more minutes, Nesmith "might have" found his shot. But he would have become even more of a defensive contributor.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2022 14:52:49 GMT -5
Ah, I'm not compaing Davison to anyone. He may never play for us. It's just wrong to say Ime hasn't developed players. He said many times he wanted Nesmith to be in the rotation, but the kid kept getting hurt. PP has reached his ceiling. Back up PG. You conveniently left out Grant Williams and Rob Williams, who each got so much better this year. Ime did not "develop" GWill or Rob Williams. As for GWill, Ime HAD to play him by default and he was as inconsistent as any 3rd year player could be. He made a lot of errors but, with consistent minutes, you expect improved performance. Rob Williams was always this defensive force. All he needed was to stay somewhat healthy and he stayed healthy enough to reap the rewards of that. But Rob didn't DEVELOP into this impactful defensive player. We knew what we had in him. Per Brad's comment about developing players TOO while playing to win, Nesmith could have played and developed TOO while we were playing to win games. Nesmith played in 52 regular season games and tallied 16 "Did Not Play - Coaches Decision". He was "Did Not Play - Inactive" due to injury for 14 games. If Ime wanted Nesmith in the rotation, he would not have sat him for 16 DNP-CDs. Ime would have played him and let him make errors and learn and develop with minutes. Outside of a few games, highlighted by his MIL miracle, GWill's best moments were on the defensive end. And given the fewer minutes given to Nesmith, he too had his best moments on the defensive end. Given more minutes, Nesmith "might have" found his shot. But he would have become even more of a defensive contributor. All speculation on Nesmith. 52 out of 82 games is a fair shot, IMO. Every time he earned minutes, he got hurt. Do you really think that if he gave us 5-10 PPG we would have won two more games? I don't. It all comes down to the starters. You said "Ime didn't have a choice". EXACTLY!! So, he took a marginal, undersized PF and got him significant minutes. The White trade was key, as was dumping Kanter, Richardson and Schroeder. Since you've looked stuff up, tell me, how many of those DNP-CD's came right after he was injured? I'd venture to say half. So, a guy coming back from injury, close game...........I wouldn't play him, either. He also got hurt at the end of the year when we were playing really well, and Ime was building his rotation. I really love your comments, and I respect the hell out of you, but you're too negative. We were two wins from the Finals, with a rookie coach (cue your Middleton comment here). Doesn't matter who was hurt, it only matters we made it. No one is saying we don't need improvement, but if the guys we have all get better, we could be right back next year. Who to use with the TPE? I like Morris for toughness, or Fournier for offense. But, it will be someone no one here has mentioned, and we'll all go back and forth on whether is was a good move or not. Sorry, "might" have found his shot doens't win us two more games. Grant should have played over Nesmith this year. I really hope next year it's the other way around. I wonder if Ime would get any credit in that scenario...........
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Post by petey62 on Jun 24, 2022 14:59:27 GMT -5
Davision will probably spend the entire season in the G League. Maybe 2. He's not ready right now, and only a fool would say otherwise. Brad is not done. I heard his interview on the radio this morning. He's looking hard at USING the TPE on a player. I don't think he wants to break up the core, but he knows we need to improve right now. Development from within is probably not referring to Davison THIS year. It probably refers to Nesmith, Grant, Rob and even Brown (ball handling) and Tatum (ditto). We were two wins away from the title, with a first year coach. You guys are brutal!I've said this on an earlier post..........if we think coming two wins from a NBA Title means a hill of beans next season, then we're delusional. When I hear others say .... " Only Celtics fans would think they'll be right back in the Finals next season with the same team as this season", this Celtics Nation thinking is what they're referring to. Our biggest hope is that Kyrie leaves BKN and MIA loses PJ Tucker and MIL loses some of its depth and PHI remains a train wreck as positives for a successful next season. Regardless of this season, we will have to get better, NOT FROM INTERNAL ORGANIC GROWTH ONLY. If we don't add some players (true PG, pure shooter, veteran bench scorer or two, a consistent 3rd scorer behind JT and JB), we'll have a good regular season and get dispatched in the playoffs again. And don't believe that some Celtics players haven't already reached their peak although we won't admit it. In my opinion, the only Celtics who have not reached their peak are JT and JB. How much better will any other Celtics player become in the next 3 years?
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