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Post by kdp59 on Aug 3, 2021 8:41:04 GMT -5
I think maybe I still don't understand Stevens' roster ideas?
even though when he first got here he talked of only being three positions in Basketball now. Bigs, Wings and Ball handlers.
like many I wnat to see the "old" rosters with C, PF, SF , SG ,PG.
i think I need to rethink to see what Stevens is doing now that he is in control.
Bigs:
Horford Rob Grant Parker Fernando
Wings: Tatum Brown Richardson Nesmith Langford
Ball handlers: Smart Prichard Dunn Edwards ??
one roster spot open.
IF that's true, Bard is looking for another ball handler and not a PF type (or big).
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Post by solly on Aug 3, 2021 8:41:29 GMT -5
Ainge was more of a disaster, than even Dee thought he was! Ainge at the end yeah. Its easy for me to call him a disaster if we split his tenure into a front-half and back-half. Back-half disaster. Really depends on where you start the half as well. I mean picking Tatum and Brown were more important then anything hes failed to do in recent years imo. And not to say he hasnt made mistakes, but those two picks outweigh the bad
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Post by Admin on Aug 3, 2021 8:52:27 GMT -5
We need a young PF more than anything else right now ... I think we can survive until post camp with Smart, Pritchard & Langford at PG. If we can get a Mills, Wright or even R Jackson then we have some vet depth there. Yeah, but if we are keeping Smart - who the hell are we going to trade for that PF? BTW im agreeing w you , not trying to be argumentative. You had a great pt about botching the TPE . Becuase had we not and actually got a player w term, like I alluded to, in my prev post - we could use the salary w / picks and prospects to get a guy like Collins. I dont even know how you get a guy like Collins right now without giving up Smart. Not many contracts to send out for matching, and not many assets to pull from.
You saw my Bagley post ... I have to think Brad pulled TT once Fournier was gone knowing that he could get more for him and now he didn't need to create more cap space.
I think Smart and a couple future picks can bring us Markkanen. Collins still hasn't come to terms with the Hawks so he could still be available but if Brad wouldn't pay Fourier $20mm/yr will he for Collins? With Markkanen I can see him being more of a bargain and with the right incentives the Bulls will trade him to us but as a S&T let's say around $14MM/yr which would hard cap us. That would eliminate any potential moves during the season that may develop but it could be worth it.
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Post by Admin on Aug 3, 2021 8:57:32 GMT -5
I think maybe I still don't understand Stevens' roster ideas? even though when he first got here he talked of only being three positions in Basketball now. Bigs, Wings and Ball handlers. like many I wnat to see the "old" rosters with C, PF, SF , SG ,PG. i think I need to rethink to see what Stevens is doing now that he is in control. Bigs: Horford Rob Grant Parker Fernando Wings: Tatum Brown Richardson Nesmith Langford Ball handlers: Smart Prichard Dunn Edwards ?? one roster spot open. IF that's true, Bard is looking for another ball handler and not a PF type (or big). Edwards a ball handler? He better be going to open up another roster spot so both a guard (pg or combo) and a PF can be had.
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Post by elvissurfs on Aug 3, 2021 9:09:35 GMT -5
That would be ok with me Bagley has some skills i always thought. We got rid of Ainge Walker and hopefully TT.. 60% Finished. In baseball 3 for 5 which is pretty damn good. When Wyc sells the team and Stevens is fired it will come full circle You have problems sleeping ole man? I can relate.. No unlike Prakash i didn't jump ship to Sams or Celtic Strong. I might be an ass but i'm no traitor.. Oh and KY Ainge was exactly what i prophesized for the past four years and the rest will come true in time. Back to my novel on François-Marie Arouet or Voltaire as he is better known.. PeeWee:
Last I looked, Nathan E. had started 21 games this season.
The Sox record when he starts...
... (deep breath.... hold it... hold it.... now exhale, amigo) is 11-10.
Rumor: The Sox may offer him a contract extension before the season is out!
Dodgers scooped up some doofus named Scherzer for the pennant run.
Do you know anything about him?
Pud
Yeah, there was a lot of noise about Scherzer coming to San Diego, but with Boras as his agent I knew that was never going to happen...gotta hang up in LA with all the glitter and advertising dollars...guys like Scherzer cant try to be a part of something new, they have to join the already existing champs, just like Durant...
I hope he pitches against us in the stupid one game wild card playoff...his ERA against SD is above 9...
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Post by kdp59 on Aug 3, 2021 9:20:13 GMT -5
IF the Dunn deal happens one way to fill the roster and stay UNDER the tax line would be:
Release parkers' non- guaranteed deal ($2.283M).
puts the team about $3.2M under the tax line with two roster spots.
then........wait for it...................
resign
Tacko and Waters to deals at their minimums of $1.489M each.
now how is THAT for an "under-whelming" off-season?
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Post by petey62 on Aug 3, 2021 9:34:50 GMT -5
I am not happy with our offseason thus far. The best thing we did was rid ourselves of Kemba's salary. That's it! I honestly don't see where we upgraded in an area of need. We have an overabundance, again, of wings so I have to believe something more is to come. Also, I don't trust management - they say things that don't come to fruition and I'm not sure Brad has a vision for this team. Wasn't July supposed to be fireworks?
Losing Kemba's salary is good but what he brought offensively, we have not replaced. We will sorely miss his scoring ability. We don't have a 3rd scorer who can carry the team offensively when JT or JB are having bad nights. And, although he was with us for just 13 games, we don't have a 4th scorer either (Fournier). We are going to put a whole lot of pressure on JT and JB and I hope they don't burn out.
It would be nice to get a PF but we are going to be challenged to score the basketball. At least 3 players will have to step up majorly. I'm putting my money on Langford and Nesmith as two of those three. But we'll see.
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Post by kyceltic on Aug 3, 2021 9:36:24 GMT -5
Just found this at HoopsRumors: The Kings have now addressed the center position by lining up deals with Holmes and Alex Len, and reportedly have a deal in place to acquire Tristan Thompson from Boston as well.
So as I suspected, Brad cut the Hawks out of Thompson and is cutting his own deal with SAC. That's either a 2nd rd pick and a fat TPE near $9.6MM or a player (hopefully Bagley).
We need Bagley!! You have been on top of things! Great job!!
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Post by kyceltic on Aug 3, 2021 9:41:38 GMT -5
 That would be ok with me Bagley has some skills i always thought.   We got rid of Ainge Walker and hopefully TT..   60% Finished.      In baseball 3 for 5 which is pretty damn good.   When Wyc sells the team and Stevens is fired it will come full circle   You have problems sleeping ole man?          I can relate..   No unlike Prakash i didn't jump ship to Sams or Celtic Strong.    I might be an ass but i'm no traitor..    Oh and KY Ainge was exactly what i  prophesized for the past four years and the rest will come true in time.      Back to my novel on François-Marie Arouet or Voltaire as he is better known.. PeeWee:
Last I looked, Nathan E. had started 21 games this season.
The Sox record when he starts...
 ... (deep breath.... hold it... hold it.... now exhale, amigo) is 11-10.
Rumor: The Sox may offer him a contract extension before the season is out!
Dodgers scooped up some doofus named Scherzer for the pennant run.
Do you know anything about him?
Pud
If only the Celtics could be like the Dodgers!
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Post by kyceltic on Aug 3, 2021 9:44:15 GMT -5
The Celtics are ok. No need to waste money on these guys that wont push them over the top into real contender mode. I still think they have to let Tatum and Brown play out these years and let them develop and you can slowly fill the roster out around them. Id like them to move Smart before the year though I've said all along, let Fournier walk, don't sign Smart, go big next year!
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Post by Admin on Aug 3, 2021 9:46:07 GMT -5
IF the Dunn deal happens one way to fill the roster and stay UNDER the tax line would be: Release parkers' non- guaranteed deal ($2.283M). puts the team about $3.2M under the tax line with two roster spots. then........wait for it................... resign Tacko and Waters to deals at their minimums of $1.489M each. now how is THAT for an "under-whelming" off-season? Haha, Tacko & Waters ... you are quite the pessimist!
Of course you know Waters is already looking for a new team and Tacko will get his 3rd and final 2-way if he wants to stay around some more.
I have us right around $143MM now including Dunn & Fernando as well as Thompson. Parker is excluded as his $2.3MM only becomes guaranteed if he's here on opening night.
Obviously TT is still going but we don't yet know if that will be for cap space, a contract or a combo of both.
We can still move Edwards and GWill (as far as I'm concerned) for future 2nds and get some cap space relief I suppose but I think Brad likes GWill and sees him as a cheap 4/5 option when needed.
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Post by solly on Aug 3, 2021 9:47:29 GMT -5
The Celtics are ok. No need to waste money on these guys that wont push them over the top into real contender mode. I still think they have to let Tatum and Brown play out these years and let them develop and you can slowly fill the roster out around them. Id like them to move Smart before the year though I've said all along, let Fournier walk, don't sign Smart, go big next year! I agree, hopefully the Beal situation can work out without moving Jaylen. No need to force anything now for guys that are replaceable.
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Post by petey62 on Aug 3, 2021 9:58:34 GMT -5
I've said all along, let Fournier walk, don't sign Smart, go big next year! I agree, hopefully the Beal situation can work out without moving Jaylen. No need to force anything now for guys that are replaceable. solly, who is replaceable? I find it interesting, yet respecting your opinion, that the Celtics should stand pat and not improve the team because whoever we improve the team with will likely be guys that are replaceable. Who replaced Hayward? Who will replace Kemba? Who will replace Fournier? You speak so convincingly about NOT acquiring guys (or letting others walk) because they are replaceable but who are the players they're being replaced by? Who knows if Beal will walk thru that door next year? We, as Celtics fans, should have had enough of waiting at the altar for these "team-changing" FA acquisitions. But let's have another mediocre season in hopes that Beal wants to join as bad a team in the Celtics as he's with here in Washington.
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Post by billge on Aug 3, 2021 9:59:53 GMT -5
Agree totally with Petey. We are going backwards.Fireworks are duds like every other year We had one draft choiceand picked a kid who is still in grade school. Waters, why we always talking Waters and Langford the invisible man. Waste of time and money.
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Post by kyceltic on Aug 3, 2021 10:01:17 GMT -5
As of right now, we're wasaaaaay worse then we were last year! Tatum and Brown could both average 40 a game, and we'd still lose!
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Post by Admin on Aug 3, 2021 10:11:51 GMT -5
It's been said that we're a better defensive team than we were last season ... that's a plus, right???
Brad wasn't expected to do much in day 1 with top and 2nd tier players on the market.
I don't know about you but I'm chomping at the bit for day 2 etal for tier 3, 4 etc for those "fireworks!"
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Post by billge on Aug 3, 2021 10:16:44 GMT -5
Boston, snowshoes L A and Miami sandals, New york and Chicago, actual BIG Cities. Add in incompeten ownership and management and you just have rich kids playing checkers.
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Post by petey62 on Aug 3, 2021 10:17:26 GMT -5
I really don't know what Horford has left but the addition of Richardson as a defensive guy is a positive. The problem is he's not a scorer who can get buckets and he's not a true PG, both of which should be higher priorities.
I do like the pickup, however, merely because he's a veteran with size, not some 2nd or 3rd year player who we don't know how he'll perform.
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 3, 2021 10:18:05 GMT -5
Yeah, but if we are keeping Smart - who the hell are we going to trade for that PF? BTW im agreeing w you , not trying to be argumentative. You had a great pt about botching the TPE . Becuase had we not and actually got a player w term, like I alluded to, in my prev post - we could use the salary w / picks and prospects to get a guy like Collins. I dont even know how you get a guy like Collins right now without giving up Smart. Not many contracts to send out for matching, and not many assets to pull from.
You saw my Bagley post ... I have to think Brad pulled TT once Fournier was gone knowing that he could get more for him and now he didn't need to create more cap space.
I think Smart and a couple future picks can bring us Markkanen. Collins still hasn't come to terms with the Hawks so he could still be available but if Brad wouldn't pay Fourier $20mm/yr will he for Collins? With Markkanen I can see him being more of a bargain and with the right incentives the Bulls will trade him to us but as a S&T let's say around $14MM/yr which would hard cap us. That would eliminate any potential moves during the season that may develop but it could be worth it.
I mean, yeah, I saw your post about Bagley....And I would equate it to robbery. If they are going to give us a 21 yr old who went #2 overall for a good (but overpaid) backup C...Hell yeah! Not saying it wont happen, just saying that ill be excited if it does happen (and wont count on it until it does). Markkanen is a good target because they reached for Patrick Williams for a reason. But my pause is that after trading for Vooch last year and Lonzo this year, it looks like they are trying to win. And they already have Theis to backup Vooch, so im not seeing a need for TT. Not sure what we can give them that will entice them over, say trading Markkanen for DeRozan in a double S+T (which has been rumored). My issue w trading for Bagley or Markkanen is I dont see us having the chips. Other teams can prob offer more. But if we can snake one of these two, certainly do it.
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Post by billge on Aug 3, 2021 10:19:20 GMT -5
We got afine compliment of tier 2 and 3 players already . Tears.
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 3, 2021 10:20:04 GMT -5
The Celtics are ok. No need to waste money on these guys that wont push them over the top into real contender mode. I still think they have to let Tatum and Brown play out these years and let them develop and you can slowly fill the roster out around them. Id like them to move Smart before the year though I've said all along, let Fournier walk, don't sign Smart, go big next year! Lot of eggs in the hoping we attract a free-agent bucket, is my concern.
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Post by Admin on Aug 3, 2021 10:24:07 GMT -5
Check out this writers 3 "high impact, low cost" free agents: hardwoodhoudini.com/2021/08/03/boston-celtics-mle-candidates-cs/His 1st option is Otto Porter Jr - only Otto was just signed by GSW. His 2nd option is Mills - he's still available but with all the interest he's generating he's price will rise unless you're the Lakers or another contender and willing to take VM to chase a ring His final selection is a good one - at the bottom of page 2 (the Mills Option) the next page indicates Alec Burks. But before sending the report in for publishing he must of caught the news that NYKs signed Burks to a 3yr/$30MM contract and changed it up to Rudy Gay. He just forgot to change the page 3 link to Gay from Burks. Oh well, 1 for 3 is good in baseball, why not blogging?
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Post by kyceltic on Aug 3, 2021 10:24:28 GMT -5
Our secret weapon, Yam "popeye" Madar, better be ready!! I'm ready for summer league!
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Post by kyceltic on Aug 3, 2021 10:27:57 GMT -5
I've said all along, let Fournier walk, don't sign Smart, go big next year! Lot of eggs in the hoping we attract a free-agent bucket, is my concern. We need one to hatch!
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Post by Admin on Aug 3, 2021 10:33:08 GMT -5
You saw my Bagley post ... I have to think Brad pulled TT once Fournier was gone knowing that he could get more for him and now he didn't need to create more cap space.
I think Smart and a couple future picks can bring us Markkanen. Collins still hasn't come to terms with the Hawks so he could still be available but if Brad wouldn't pay Fourier $20mm/yr will he for Collins? With Markkanen I can see him being more of a bargain and with the right incentives the Bulls will trade him to us but as a S&T let's say around $14MM/yr which would hard cap us. That would eliminate any potential moves during the season that may develop but it could be worth it.
I mean, yeah, I saw your post about Bagley....And I would equate it to robbery. If they are going to give us a 21 yr old who went #2 overall for a good (but overpaid) backup C...Hell yeah! Not saying it wont happen, just saying that ill be excited if it does happen (and wont count on it until it does). Markkanen is a good target because they reached for Patrick Williams for a reason. But my pause is that after trading for Vooch last year and Lonzo this year, it looks like they are trying to win. And they already have Theis to backup Vooch, so im not seeing a need for TT. Not sure what we can give them that will entice them over, say trading Markkanen for DeRozan in a double S+T (which has been rumored). My issue w trading for Bagley or Markkanen is I dont see us having the chips. Other teams can prob offer more. But if we can snake one of these two, certainly do it.
Theis signed with the Rockets - 3yrs/$27MM
I'd rather have Markkanen than either TT or Smart. In fact, give them both!
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