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Post by dfries13 on Aug 4, 2021 12:38:39 GMT -5
Have you attempted to be a comedian? I see a great future for you in that line of work. Ainge built a house of cards. One lucky trade with an old friend will be his epitaph. Think i'll aim high too, Send me the dope your taking mine pales in comparison... Id love to look back at the threads and see how many people were excited for Fultz and who wanted Hield or Dunn at 3 in 2016. Lets not act like those 2 drafts were a given I know Fierce was excited for Kyrie...Ive seen those threads. I wonder who else was on that side. Kyrie, Hayward and Horford are a pretty good trio. Got unlucky Your guy Sam Presti has never built a championship team btw No need to look Fierce wanted Fultz. Just like you he defended Ainge on every turn along with Prakash and Hedley. Looks like your the lonely boy.. Got a free weekend i'm be in the states next week?
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Post by solly on Aug 4, 2021 12:41:35 GMT -5
Id love to look back at the threads and see how many people were excited for Fultz and who wanted Hield or Dunn at 3 in 2016. Lets not act like those 2 drafts were a given I know Fierce was excited for Kyrie...Ive seen those threads. I wonder who else was on that side. Kyrie, Hayward and Horford are a pretty good trio. Got unlucky Your guy Sam Presti has never built a championship team btw No need to look Fierce wanted Fultz. Just like you he defended Ainge on every turn along with Prakash and Hedley. Looks like your the lonely boy.. Got a free weekend i'm be in the states next week? I dont defend every thing he does. I was for the Myles Turner trade if you remember. But we talk around here like he was a walking failure. As a whole he was a very good GM
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 12:43:13 GMT -5
Yeah, they are clearly setting up to have as much cap space as possible, to try to attract a FA. I dont think its the right move. And you are really underrating DeRozan and Lonzo, btw. Getting mediocre players who are actually mediocre (not the 2 you mentioned) would actually HELP us get a Beal, not hurt us. Because if we signed a bunch of guys in the 7-10M range for 2 years. We could offer the Wiz a 1st plus a hodge podge of cheap expiring contracts. They can then put those players in key roles, inflate their stats, and then move them at the deadline for more future assets. I guess we can do a S+T for S+T next year, resign all of our expiring guys to flip in a S+T. But its all about S+T's in this league. The rules make it that way (its better for both the player (more money) and the team (get something) in return). Only guys who are signed outright are mid-level players w communication issues or bad blood w former team. Its mostly S+Ts now, and cap room hurts in this regard. Im not high on 2 guys that cant shoot in this league. 2 guys that make good money for below all star level play, is just not something that interests me. But ill be the first to admit, I dont follow the salary rules/all the contract possibilities in the league. So when the time comes we can see whats available Lonzo cant shoot? He came into the league as a .480 FT%, .305 from 3 and .420 from 2pt fg % (bad).....Shot has gotten better every year and last year he was a .781 FT%, .378 from 3pt%, and .480 2 pt fg %. Thats not just a guy who can shoot, thats a darn good shooter. Like most, I imagine you are thinking of who Ball was and not who he is. Dude has gotten wayyyy better and nobody seems to be willing to re-evaluate. Def should have jumped in there.
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Post by petey62 on Aug 4, 2021 12:50:13 GMT -5
Solly, what does Beal do a team that already has JT and JB? Unless you're planning to send Brown off for him or for another star who fits better, I'm not certain acquiring Beal next year does anything for the Celtics if JT and JB are both still here. Three wings with similar skillsets won't work. The only way Beal is in Boston next season is via S&T and that will take Brown. And honestly, how better are we with JT and Beal than we are with JT and JB (after another year together)? In my opinion, Beal is not the solution. If they have Beal thatd give them the flexibility to then move JB. I agree, having the 3 isnt a great fit. But thats a problem youre happy to have if you get it. If you get Tatum and Beal, and theyre signed...To me that window is better then risking JB and JT and having one leave. Nothing is a given, need to take chances. I don't qualify a player staying based on the number of years left on his contract. These guys demand trades all the time. So having a signed JT and Beal doesn't make the decision better especially when Beal will have one of those crazy contracts (Beal has the years and was All NBA so wouldn't he qualify for the SuperMax). So you would prefer a signed duo of Beal and JT rather than an eventually signed duo of JT and JB? Like you said, nothing is given, but I'd prefer JT and JB over JT and Beal.
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Post by solly on Aug 4, 2021 12:52:11 GMT -5
Im not high on 2 guys that cant shoot in this league. 2 guys that make good money for below all star level play, is just not something that interests me. But ill be the first to admit, I dont follow the salary rules/all the contract possibilities in the league. So when the time comes we can see whats available Lonzo cant shoot? He came into the league as a .480 FT%, .305 from 3 and .420 from 2pt fg % (bad).....Shot has gotten better every year and last year he was a .781 FT%, .378 from 3pt%, and .480 2 pt fg %. Thats not just a guy who can shoot, thats a darn good shooter. Like most, I imagine you are thinking of who Ball was and not who he is. Dude has gotten wayyyy better and nobody seems to be willing to re-evaluate. Def should have jumped in there. Sure, he still shoots below 42% from the field as a whole. Not a guy id categorize as a good shooter. Still, doesnt interest me
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Post by solly on Aug 4, 2021 12:53:30 GMT -5
If they have Beal thatd give them the flexibility to then move JB. I agree, having the 3 isnt a great fit. But thats a problem youre happy to have if you get it. If you get Tatum and Beal, and theyre signed...To me that window is better then risking JB and JT and having one leave. Nothing is a given, need to take chances. I don't qualify a player staying based on the number of years left on his contract. These guys demand trades all the time. So having a signed JT and Beal doesn't make the decision better especially when Beal will have one of those crazy contracts (Beal has the years and was All NBA so wouldn't he qualify for the SuperMax). So you would prefer a signed duo of Beal and JT rather than an eventually signed duo of JT and JB? Like you said, nothing is given, but I'd prefer JT and JB over JT and Beal. If you can guarantee me that JT and JB stay, then of course I take them. To me, I think the chances are better that Tatum stays if Beal is here and signed. If they have all 3 they get flexibility, and thats a good spot to start your roster.
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 12:55:11 GMT -5
Lonzo cant shoot? He came into the league as a .480 FT%, .305 from 3 and .420 from 2pt fg % (bad).....Shot has gotten better every year and last year he was a .781 FT%, .378 from 3pt%, and .480 2 pt fg %. Thats not just a guy who can shoot, thats a darn good shooter. Like most, I imagine you are thinking of who Ball was and not who he is. Dude has gotten wayyyy better and nobody seems to be willing to re-evaluate. Def should have jumped in there. Sure, he still shoots below 42% from the field as a whole. Not a guy id categorize as a good shooter. Still, doesnt interest me Thats only because hes not taking 2's and he's taking 3's, which is what you want. The overall fg% is low because he's taking 8+ 3's and he's making them at a good clip at .380. And that number will probs continue ticking north.
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 12:56:48 GMT -5
Id be happy with all 3, JT JB and Beal. In the NBA its scoring > everything. JB is a defensive whiz but he's best served as a third scoring option (not a second). With the 3 you have a lot of scoring. Plus JB defending and Beal can facilitate. You can play Beal a little at the 1 and play one of the J's a little at the 4. So you have versatility there. You have defense and you bring in Beal , who is the best facilitator of the 3.
I would love all 3.
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Post by Cabutan on Aug 4, 2021 12:58:21 GMT -5
Is Chris Dunn any good worth of keeping? Or is he as bad as Carsen Edwards?
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Post by solly on Aug 4, 2021 12:59:26 GMT -5
Id be happy with all 3, JT JB and Beal. In the NBA its scoring > everything. JB is a defensive whiz but he's best served as a third scoring option (not a second). With the 3 you have a lot of scoring. Plus JB defending and Beal can facilitate. You can play Beal a little at the 1 and play one of the J's a little at the 4. So you have versatility there. You have defense and you bring in Beal , who is the best facilitator of the 3. I would love all 3. Youd also love to hope JT continues to develop into a facilitator
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Post by petey62 on Aug 4, 2021 13:00:56 GMT -5
If Beal stays with Washington this season and agrees to a S&T, can he sign for the SuperMax?
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 13:01:52 GMT -5
Id be happy with all 3, JT JB and Beal. In the NBA its scoring > everything. JB is a defensive whiz but he's best served as a third scoring option (not a second). With the 3 you have a lot of scoring. Plus JB defending and Beal can facilitate. You can play Beal a little at the 1 and play one of the J's a little at the 4. So you have versatility there. You have defense and you bring in Beal , who is the best facilitator of the 3. I would love all 3. Youd also love to hope JT continues to develop into a facilitator Agreed. And with Beal around, that will actually help. Because right now, if he passes the ball, he's passing it to a worse scorer. W Beal on board, he's passing to another very talented scorer. I have 0 qualms w all 3. But Im not an old-school , everyone needs a strict position type of guy.
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 13:03:08 GMT -5
If Beal stays with Washington this season and agrees to a S&T, can he sign for the SuperMax? Yup. 35% of the cap.
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 13:05:58 GMT -5
If Beal stays with Washington this season and agrees to a S&T, can he sign for the SuperMax? Like ive been saying, hes leaving a lot of money on the table to walk to the celtics in free-agency. And btw its no coincidence that hes a FA immediately after the 10 yr rule, allowing him get the supermax even if he doesnt make all nba team this year. Agents are not stupid, they know how to make max money for their players (and themselves). For Beal to just decide to sign w the celtics it would be throwing a 4 yr plan out the window, and would cost him like 50m over the life of the deal. We can get him, but it would be via S+T, something that would be easier if we werent doing everything we can right now to max cap space. Like i keep saying, going the cap space angle is a mistake. Especially when you are giving up firsts to do it. Which we did in the kemba deal. Now we have less assets (the pick would have been a treadable prospect) and less contracts to match. Nice.
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 4, 2021 13:08:33 GMT -5
Have you attempted to be a comedian? I see a great future for you in that line of work. Ainge built a house of cards. One lucky trade with an old friend will be his epitaph. Think i'll aim high too, Send me the dope your taking mine pales in comparison... Id love to look back at the threads and see how many people were excited for Fultz and who wanted Hield or Dunn at 3 in 2016. Lets not act like those 2 drafts were a given I know Fierce was excited for Kyrie...Ive seen those threads. I wonder who else was on that side. Kyrie, Hayward and Horford are a pretty good trio. Got unlucky Your guy Sam Presti has never built a championship team btw Who else wanted Irving? Quite a few over 50%.. I wasn't one. Presti isn't my guy exactly i just want Stevens gone. You can replace Stevens for that matter.. So could the pigeon shit that is stuck to my boots... I'm going to pretend i have a real job and go back to work....... It's not difficult is it? To pretend? Listen to the words. Its all you.. I put the lyrics on just for you..
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 13:08:36 GMT -5
Is Chris Dunn any good worth of keeping? Or is he as bad as Carsen Edwards? Is he worth keeping? Yes. Is he worth going way out of your way to get? No. Is he as bad as Edwards? No. Dunn is very quick, a skilled passer, good size, and a defensive stud. Lousy scoring and bad injury history.
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 13:09:38 GMT -5
Guys as good as Beal very very rarely get signed outright. Its much more likely to be a S+T.
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 4, 2021 13:10:20 GMT -5
Is Chris Dunn any good worth of keeping? Or is he as bad as Carsen Edwards? He plays defense..Good defense.. Att 66 im better than Edwards.. I think i make more money than he does so its all cool..
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Post by Admin on Aug 4, 2021 13:11:13 GMT -5
Again, when he becomes available to everybody next year lets see what happens. Minds can change in a year. I also never said I know Beal will want to come to Boston. I said its a chance this franchise should be willing to take. His best friend is here until the mid 2020s. Buddies matter Keep in mind he can get an extra year, and more money by staying with the Wizards or by resigning with the wizards who then immediately move him via S+T. I predict it will be the latter, and he'll have a heartfelt goodbye with DC. But he'll get an extra year and more money for the S+T. And the Wizards will be happy because they actually get something in the S+T. It wont be to Boston tho, we have not much to offer. Probs wont even be able to max the contract, soooo.....
What, they won't be happy with two 2nds and a huge TPE to pursue a shooter with an expiring contract at the deadline? C'mon!
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 13:18:05 GMT -5
No way does 2 seconds get it done in a S+T for Beal.
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Post by Admin on Aug 4, 2021 13:19:02 GMT -5
Again, when he becomes available to everybody next year lets see what happens. Minds can change in a year. I also never said I know Beal will want to come to Boston. I said its a chance this franchise should be willing to take. His best friend is here until the mid 2020s. Buddies matter Solly, what does Beal do a team that already has JT and JB? Unless you're planning to send Brown off for him or for another star who fits better, I'm not certain acquiring Beal next year does anything for the Celtics if JT and JB are both still here. Three wings with similar skillsets won't work. The only way Beal is in Boston next season is via S&T and that will take Brown. And honestly, how better are we with JT and Beal than we are with JT and JB (after another year together)? In my opinion, Beal is not the solution.
If you were gonna swap JB for Beal, why wait a year ... you do it now.
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Post by Admin on Aug 4, 2021 13:26:10 GMT -5
No way does 2 seconds get it done in a S+T for Beal.
You didn't get the reference ... think Ainge - Hayward - Fournier and the bulb will light.
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 13:32:13 GMT -5
No way does 2 seconds get it done in a S+T for Beal.
You didn't get the reference ... think Ainge - Hayward - Fournier and the bulb will light.
lol, yup over my head at first. BUt I like it.
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 13:32:45 GMT -5
Good dig, good dig.
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Post by Admin on Aug 4, 2021 13:52:01 GMT -5
Beal just tweeted this (hmmmm) and reportedly his wife tweeted "Wow!" Whatever it means, you know it can't be good news for the Celtics.
Now a rumor reported that Nets are trading 6 1st rd picks to the Wiz along with Dinwiddie and some other contracts for Beal ...
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