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Post by petey62 on Aug 4, 2021 11:51:26 GMT -5
Kyrie wasn't in Boston one week before making that statement. Beal has spent his entire career in DC, through the good and the bad (mostly bad). He wanted Westbrook gone. He wants to be the face of the franchise. That's why he chose to stay once Westbrook got traded, which was counter to what everyone expected from him. He's not only saying it in the media......his actions are consistent with that. He loves DC. We will see what his actions say when he’s a FA next year solly, what does Beal becoming a FA have to do with him deciding he wants to leave Washington? These guys can voice their desire to be traded whenever they want. You make it seem like that becoming a FA means something to these guys. Do you really think Dame has to wait to become a FA to go to Portland management and ask for a trade? But Beal will want to come to Boston because he's a FA and didn't want to upset the Wizards by demanding it now? You know better than that!
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 4, 2021 11:52:03 GMT -5
Enes Kanter. It's official......the Celtics are punting this upcoming season. Maybe it's time to get into the lottery for a season. Past time way past time.
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Post by croc on Aug 4, 2021 11:52:39 GMT -5
So Kanter can go to DC... ?? I'm lost here. We have no idea what's happening in 2022- none. We do know the C's are clearing space. Not even sure Beal is who they should go after. But Kanter winding up in DC is as good as anyone's guess.
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Post by croc on Aug 4, 2021 11:54:32 GMT -5
In 2018 Kyrie wasn’t a proven nut case either. He just told the city he wanted to sign here while he was telling his friends to opt and and go to BKN Why do you think James parted ways with Irving? He knew he was a nut case. James could have asked for Irving to come to LA. James baskeball Intellect far surpasses Ainge and Timmy.. Irving is like Kayne West.. He has no friends just a few who can tolerate him for short periods.. He was buds KD long enough to woo him to that garden spot Brooklyn. .... You know KD Tatum's new buddy Kevin Durant.
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Post by petey62 on Aug 4, 2021 11:54:54 GMT -5
And why is Yam Madar publicly stating that he's joining the Celtics this regular season, not just Summer League?
I would love to see this guy this upcoming season but he lost his arbitration and has to return. Or, at least I thought.
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Post by Cabutan on Aug 4, 2021 11:56:16 GMT -5
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Post by petey62 on Aug 4, 2021 11:57:25 GMT -5
?? I'm lost here. We have no idea what's happening in 2022- none. We do know the C's are clearing space. Not even sure Beal is who they should go after. But Kanter winding up in DC is as good as anyone's guess. Oh, very true. And THERE is the real question. You nailed it! Why would we feel Beal is the answer who puts us in contending status? We'd then have THREE wings WHO ALL NEED THE BALL. Like someone said (maybe solly), 3 very similar player skillsets. What is our fascination with Beal?
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Post by Cabutan on Aug 4, 2021 11:58:34 GMT -5
And why is Yam Madar publicly stating that he's joining the Celtics this regular season, not just Summer League? I would love to see this guy this upcoming season but he lost his arbitration and has to return. Or, at least I thought. i think losing arbitration means Cs paying the Israel team to get him onboard. Shouldnt be that hard.
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Post by croc on Aug 4, 2021 12:00:17 GMT -5
And why is Yam Madar publicly stating that he's joining the Celtics this regular season, not just Summer League? I would love to see this guy this upcoming season but he lost his arbitration and has to return. Or, at least I thought. He'll need a buyout.
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Post by solly on Aug 4, 2021 12:01:29 GMT -5
We will see what his actions say when he’s a FA next year solly, what does Beal becoming a FA have to do with him deciding he wants to leave Washington? These guys can voice their desire to be traded whenever they want. You make it seem like that becoming a FA means something to these guys. Do you really think Dame has to wait to become a FA to go to Portland management and ask for a trade? But Beal will want to come to Boston because he's a FA and didn't want to upset the Wizards by demanding it now? You know better than that! Again, when he becomes available to everybody next year lets see what happens. Minds can change in a year. I also never said I know Beal will want to come to Boston. I said its a chance this franchise should be willing to take. His best friend is here until the mid 2020s. Buddies matter
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 12:07:26 GMT -5
We will see what his actions say when he’s a FA next year solly, what does Beal becoming a FA have to do with him deciding he wants to leave Washington? These guys can voice their desire to be traded whenever they want. You make it seem like that becoming a FA means something to these guys. Do you really think Dame has to wait to become a FA to go to Portland management and ask for a trade? But Beal will want to come to Boston because he's a FA and didn't want to upset the Wizards by demanding it now? You know better than that! In actuality, if he considers himself unlikely to be resigned, he'd be doing them a favor by telling them so and helping facilitate a trade so they can get something for him. My prediction: Beal gets S+T in 2022 to a different team because the acquiring team actually has contracts to match for the S+T, something the Celtics prob will not with all this focus on cap space. The safest way for this team to rebuild is trading and that requires contracts. SO im awfully confused at this "max cap room for offseason" push. Im looking at the 2022 offseason to, but Im not confident we'll sign a top player. WE'd have better luck doing a sign+trade for the target then signing him w cap space.
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Post by croc on Aug 4, 2021 12:09:39 GMT -5
We have no idea what's happening in 2022- none. We do know the C's are clearing space. Not even sure Beal is who they should go after. But Kanter winding up in DC is as good as anyone's guess. Oh, very true. And THERE is the real question. You nailed it! Why would we feel Beal is the answer who puts us in contending status? We'd then have THREE wings WHO ALL NEED THE BALL. Like someone said (maybe solly), 3 very similar player skillsets. What is our fascination with Beal? Other than he's closely associated with Tatum, it's not a great fit...Unless they can move Brown for a star piece who's more of a compliment to them
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 4, 2021 12:11:17 GMT -5
Why do you think James parted ways with Irving? He knew he was a nut case. James could have asked for Irving to come to LA. James baskeball Intellect far surpasses Ainge and Timmy.. Irving is like Kayne West.. He has no friends just a few who can tolerate him for short periods.. He was buds KD long enough to woo him to that garden spot Brooklyn. .... You know KD Tatum's new buddy Kevin Durant. Oh yeah.. Tatum and KD are like two peas in a pod. My guess is KD will distance himself from Irving at some point for his new BFF..
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 12:12:03 GMT -5
solly, what does Beal becoming a FA have to do with him deciding he wants to leave Washington? These guys can voice their desire to be traded whenever they want. You make it seem like that becoming a FA means something to these guys. Do you really think Dame has to wait to become a FA to go to Portland management and ask for a trade? But Beal will want to come to Boston because he's a FA and didn't want to upset the Wizards by demanding it now? You know better than that! Again, when he becomes available to everybody next year lets see what happens. Minds can change in a year. I also never said I know Beal will want to come to Boston. I said its a chance this franchise should be willing to take. His best friend is here until the mid 2020s. Buddies matter Keep in mind he can get an extra year, and more money by staying with the Wizards or by resigning with the wizards who then immediately move him via S+T. I predict it will be the latter, and he'll have a heartfelt goodbye with DC. But he'll get an extra year and more money for the S+T. And the Wizards will be happy because they actually get something in the S+T. It wont be to Boston tho, we have not much to offer. Probs wont even be able to max the contract, soooo.....
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 12:14:52 GMT -5
Im fine with punting this year to retool next offseason. I think thats going to require contracts tho, so I think its a big mistake to go the cap route angle. We ditched our first for cap room, that could have been a prospect w trade value. We are not adding contracts for max cap room, and I think thats going to be a mistake too. Likely, after we whiff on all FAs next year we'll use our cap room on 3 depth guys who we'll overpay because "gotta use the money somehow" and the master plan will be complete.
More S+T's then outright FA signings these days, by a considerable margin.
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 12:16:38 GMT -5
Beal would have to really really really want to come to Boston and really really really want to screw the Wizards over by taking much less money to come to Boston than to allow the Wizards to work out a S+T, which they will be begging him to do.
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Post by solly on Aug 4, 2021 12:18:25 GMT -5
Again, when he becomes available to everybody next year lets see what happens. Minds can change in a year. I also never said I know Beal will want to come to Boston. I said its a chance this franchise should be willing to take. His best friend is here until the mid 2020s. Buddies matter Keep in mind he can get an extra year, and more money by staying with the Wizards or by resigning with the wizards who then immediately move him via S+T. I predict it will be the latter, and he'll have a heartfelt goodbye with DC. But he'll get an extra year and more money for the S+T. And the Wizards will be happy because they actually get something in the S+T. It wont be to Boston tho, we have not much to offer. Probs wont even be able to max the contract, soooo..... Who knows, they clearly are setting up for something. Id take that chance rather then get bogged down in mediocrity like Lonzo, Derozen, etc. All the garbage Danny failed with, the one thing ill give him credit for is he knew what it took to build a legit contender. And it wasnt screwing around the everyday NBA player. It was getting the best you can possibly get. Doesnt always work out, but he was aiming high
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 4, 2021 12:20:39 GMT -5
Oh, very true. And THERE is the real question. You nailed it! Why would we feel Beal is the answer who puts us in contending status? We'd then have THREE wings WHO ALL NEED THE BALL. Like someone said (maybe solly), 3 very similar player skillsets. What is our fascination with Beal? Other than he's closely associated with Tatum, it's not a great fit...Unless they can move Brown for a star piece who's more of a compliment to them No it is not a great fit.. We need a PF and a PG.. Someone needs to tell Stevens if this is his plan.. Personally i think the plan is not much of a plan,, Look what happened to the Nets and Lakers. On paper the two best teams. One injury and the paper goes up in flames........
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Post by dfries13 on Aug 4, 2021 12:25:27 GMT -5
Keep in mind he can get an extra year, and more money by staying with the Wizards or by resigning with the wizards who then immediately move him via S+T. I predict it will be the latter, and he'll have a heartfelt goodbye with DC. But he'll get an extra year and more money for the S+T. And the Wizards will be happy because they actually get something in the S+T. It wont be to Boston tho, we have not much to offer. Probs wont even be able to max the contract, soooo..... Who knows, they clearly are setting up for something. Id take that chance rather then get bogged down in mediocrity like Lonzo, Derozen, etc. All the garbage Danny failed with, the one thing ill give him credit for is he knew what it took to build a legit contender. And it wasnt screwing around the everyday NBA player. It was getting the best you can possibly get. Doesnt always work out, but he was aiming high Have you attempted to be a comedian? I see a great future for you in that line of work. Ainge built a house of cards. One lucky trade with an old friend will be his epitaph. Think i'll aim high too, Send me the dope your taking mine pales in comparison...
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Post by solly on Aug 4, 2021 12:27:53 GMT -5
Who knows, they clearly are setting up for something. Id take that chance rather then get bogged down in mediocrity like Lonzo, Derozen, etc. All the garbage Danny failed with, the one thing ill give him credit for is he knew what it took to build a legit contender. And it wasnt screwing around the everyday NBA player. It was getting the best you can possibly get. Doesnt always work out, but he was aiming high Have you attempted to be a comedian? I see a great future for you in that line of work. Ainge built a house of cards. One lucky trade with an old friend will be his epitaph. Think i'll aim high too, Send me the dope your taking mine pales in comparison... Id love to look back at the threads and see how many people were excited for Fultz and who wanted Hield or Dunn at 3 in 2016. Lets not act like those 2 drafts were a given I know Fierce was excited for Kyrie...Ive seen those threads. I wonder who else was on that side. Kyrie, Hayward and Horford are a pretty good trio. Got unlucky Your guy Sam Presti has never built a championship team btw
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Post by petey62 on Aug 4, 2021 12:29:34 GMT -5
solly, what does Beal becoming a FA have to do with him deciding he wants to leave Washington? These guys can voice their desire to be traded whenever they want. You make it seem like that becoming a FA means something to these guys. Do you really think Dame has to wait to become a FA to go to Portland management and ask for a trade? But Beal will want to come to Boston because he's a FA and didn't want to upset the Wizards by demanding it now? You know better than that! Again, when he becomes available to everybody next year lets see what happens. Minds can change in a year. I also never said I know Beal will want to come to Boston. I said its a chance this franchise should be willing to take. His best friend is here until the mid 2020s. Buddies matter Solly, what does Beal do a team that already has JT and JB? Unless you're planning to send Brown off for him or for another star who fits better, I'm not certain acquiring Beal next year does anything for the Celtics if JT and JB are both still here. Three wings with similar skillsets won't work. The only way Beal is in Boston next season is via S&T and that will take Brown. And honestly, how better are we with JT and Beal than we are with JT and JB (after another year together)? In my opinion, Beal is not the solution.
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 12:32:29 GMT -5
Keep in mind he can get an extra year, and more money by staying with the Wizards or by resigning with the wizards who then immediately move him via S+T. I predict it will be the latter, and he'll have a heartfelt goodbye with DC. But he'll get an extra year and more money for the S+T. And the Wizards will be happy because they actually get something in the S+T. It wont be to Boston tho, we have not much to offer. Probs wont even be able to max the contract, soooo..... Who knows, they clearly are setting up for something. Id take that chance rather then get bogged down in mediocrity like Lonzo, Derozen, etc. All the garbage Danny failed with, the one thing ill give him credit for is he knew what it took to build a legit contender. And it wasnt screwing around the everyday NBA player. It was getting the best you can possibly get. Doesnt always work out, but he was aiming high Yeah, they are clearly setting up to have as much cap space as possible, to try to attract a FA. I dont think its the right move. And you are really underrating DeRozan and Lonzo, btw. Getting mediocre players who are actually mediocre (not the 2 you mentioned) would actually HELP us get a Beal, not hurt us. Because if we signed a bunch of guys in the 7-10M range for 2 years. We could offer the Wiz a 1st plus a hodge podge of cheap expiring contracts. They can then put those players in key roles, inflate their stats, and then move them at the deadline for more future assets. I guess we can do a S+T for S+T next year, resign all of our expiring guys to flip in a S+T. But its all about S+T's in this league. The rules make it that way (its better for both the player (more money) and the team (get something) in return). Only guys who are signed outright are mid-level players w communication issues or bad blood w former team. Its mostly S+Ts now, and cap room hurts in this regard.
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 4, 2021 12:34:28 GMT -5
I disagree that Beal, Brown and Tatum are redundant. Im not sure if its a championship team, but its alot of talent to start off with.
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Post by solly on Aug 4, 2021 12:34:44 GMT -5
Again, when he becomes available to everybody next year lets see what happens. Minds can change in a year. I also never said I know Beal will want to come to Boston. I said its a chance this franchise should be willing to take. His best friend is here until the mid 2020s. Buddies matter Solly, what does Beal do a team that already has JT and JB? Unless you're planning to send Brown off for him or for another star who fits better, I'm not certain acquiring Beal next year does anything for the Celtics if JT and JB are both still here. Three wings with similar skillsets won't work. The only way Beal is in Boston next season is via S&T and that will take Brown. And honestly, how better are we with JT and Beal than we are with JT and JB (after another year together)? In my opinion, Beal is not the solution. If they have Beal thatd give them the flexibility to then move JB. I agree, having the 3 isnt a great fit. But thats a problem youre happy to have if you get it. If you get Tatum and Beal, and theyre signed...To me that window is better then risking JB and JT and having one leave. Nothing is a given, need to take chances.
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Post by solly on Aug 4, 2021 12:36:34 GMT -5
Who knows, they clearly are setting up for something. Id take that chance rather then get bogged down in mediocrity like Lonzo, Derozen, etc. All the garbage Danny failed with, the one thing ill give him credit for is he knew what it took to build a legit contender. And it wasnt screwing around the everyday NBA player. It was getting the best you can possibly get. Doesnt always work out, but he was aiming high Yeah, they are clearly setting up to have as much cap space as possible, to try to attract a FA. I dont think its the right move. And you are really underrating DeRozan and Lonzo, btw. Getting mediocre players who are actually mediocre (not the 2 you mentioned) would actually HELP us get a Beal, not hurt us. Because if we signed a bunch of guys in the 7-10M range for 2 years. We could offer the Wiz a 1st plus a hodge podge of cheap expiring contracts. They can then put those players in key roles, inflate their stats, and then move them at the deadline for more future assets. I guess we can do a S+T for S+T next year, resign all of our expiring guys to flip in a S+T. But its all about S+T's in this league. The rules make it that way (its better for both the player (more money) and the team (get something) in return). Only guys who are signed outright are mid-level players w communication issues or bad blood w former team. Its mostly S+Ts now, and cap room hurts in this regard. Im not high on 2 guys that cant shoot in this league. 2 guys that make good money for below all star level play, is just not something that interests me. But ill be the first to admit, I dont follow the salary rules/all the contract possibilities in the league. So when the time comes we can see whats available
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