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Post by drewski6 on Aug 26, 2021 13:44:14 GMT -5
So in Marks case, it would have to be an immediate S+T or cant be traded until Dec 15th. And if he is S+Traded, he cant be traded from his new team until Dec 15.
But the silver lining here is that if we trade for him on Dec 16, thats not a sign and trade and wouldnt hard cap us.
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Post by cole on Aug 26, 2021 16:04:35 GMT -5
Speaking of rosters, for the first time this year I have a "Heinsohn" in class
Not named Tommy though. He didnt know about Tommy either
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Post by Admin on Aug 26, 2021 18:04:23 GMT -5
Good work Drew!
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Post by Admin on Aug 26, 2021 18:06:52 GMT -5
Speaking of rosters, for the first time this year I have a "Heinsohn" in class Not named Tommy though. He didnt know about Tommy either
So you can teach & educate at the same time ...
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Post by elvissurfs on Aug 26, 2021 21:10:53 GMT -5
If the trade is for TPE and draft capital the 90 day holding period is reduced to 30 days ...
I dont think thats correct. The 30 vs 90 doesnt depend on the return. Its 30 days for a signed rookie or player coming off a 2-way contract, 90 days for a signed player coming off a 1 way contract. From: cbabreakdown.com/trades"New Contracts — Any draft rookie (whether drafted in the first or second round) that signs a standard NBA contract and any player that signs a two-way contract may not be traded for 30 days after they sign. Any free agent playing on a standard NBA contract (or if they are converted to one) may not be traded until the later of 3 months after they sign or December 15. (For sign-and-trade deals, this rule only applies to any subsequent trade and not the initial sign-and-trade.)" Drewski...have you considered being a sport agent...seriously...you can be anything you want...just work towards it...look at the clowns who advised Shroder and Nerlens Noel...you surely would do better than that...
Kdp59 might be young enough as well...unless the '59' stands for the year he was born...
Team up with Fierce, start a conglomerate...
And you all could bounce your ideas off of us kooks here for direction/hopelessly slanted opinions...
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 27, 2021 9:06:50 GMT -5
Speaking of rosters, for the first time this year I have a "Heinsohn" in class Not named Tommy though. He didnt know about Tommy either
So you can teach & educate at the same time ...
An important lesson. Pull him aside and blame us. "these guys on the celtics forums would never let it go if I didnt at least tell you a little about the late great heinsohn" You may create a lifelong celtics fan
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 27, 2021 9:07:59 GMT -5
I dont think thats correct. The 30 vs 90 doesnt depend on the return. Its 30 days for a signed rookie or player coming off a 2-way contract, 90 days for a signed player coming off a 1 way contract. From: cbabreakdown.com/trades"New Contracts — Any draft rookie (whether drafted in the first or second round) that signs a standard NBA contract and any player that signs a two-way contract may not be traded for 30 days after they sign. Any free agent playing on a standard NBA contract (or if they are converted to one) may not be traded until the later of 3 months after they sign or December 15. (For sign-and-trade deals, this rule only applies to any subsequent trade and not the initial sign-and-trade.)" Drewski...have you considered being a sport agent...seriously...you can be anything you want...just work towards it...look at the clowns who advised Shroder and Nerlens Noel...you surely would do better than that...
Kdp59 might be young enough as well...unless the '59' stands for the year he was born...
Team up with Fierce, start a conglomerate...
And you all could bounce your ideas off of us kooks here for direction/hopelessly slanted opinions...
Of course Ive fantasized about it. But I imagine its super hard to break into, and filled with nepotism. Austin Ainge.
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 27, 2021 9:27:55 GMT -5
Honestly, it doesnt rule out Markk. Here are my thoughts know that we've cleared this up. What I hear: "the bulls wont move markk because their asking price is just too high. They want a first and arent even willing to take money back!" You and I both know that Markk is worth a first in the area where we are likely to be drafting (I think we'll be a top 10 team, so bottom 10 pick). So Im sensing value/opportunity, and I know you are sniffing this out as well. Id give up our first, easily. If we are going to pounce there, there are 2 options. Act now (S+T - which would hard cap us) or wait until Dec 15th. If you wait, there are 2 possibilities worth considering: a) he can fit in a TPE or b) hes making too much (either because Bulls signed him to a contract, or Thunder made an offer that Chi matched). Lets start w the S+T - the challenge is the hard cap. Still doable, but youd have to send enough money back to get under the hard cap. How much money? It depends on the contract Markk would pre-agree to with us. If its like 1 yr / 12M you may be able to sell him "hey look, its more than you would make on the QO and youre running out of options here." $12M is matchable. Would prob have to send a tick more to ensure under the hard cap. But I Dunn + Gwill + Langford....I think you can get there. Its harder to "get there" if the contract is higher. If the contract is $15Mish, this creates possibility 2: So if possibility 1 is ruled out and we have to wait so its now mid December - we have to consider what he's playing for $wise. If its like 13-15M, then it fits in the TPE. ANd if all the Bulls want is a first round pick we should consider pouncing there. He'd be a pure rental, but we may get his rights. Im not 100% on that tho, because whatever he's playing for will count as a new contract. And Im a little fuzzy on how that effects the cap holds, incumbent advantages, bird rights type stuff. But if we do get those rights with the player, he's absolutely worth the TPE and a first. If not, we have to consider how we look and if its a "go for it year." Still might be worth it. So possibility 3 would be we're in mid december and he's playing for more than our largest TPE. This would be over 15M and we'd have to send money back and that would be hard to do. $20M is hard to get to. So this would probably make the trade unlikely (but still possible). Another set of things to consider: do the celtics agree we need a PF at all (I know this board consensus is hell yeah, and Im on that bus too) - but ultimately its up to Stevens and Co. Do the celtics want to bring in that PF now? Is it worth waiting? My conclusion: If Millsap cant get more than vet min, and has to settle for the vet min....I think you have to pounce there. Its kind of like the Schroder thing where you have to act cuz the player just fell into your lap. If he can only get the vet min, I assume we would look tempting because we've shown interest previously (and that matters to players, look at Hayward), and we can promise a rotation spot. He's old but he doesnt have that foot thing that zapped Horfords mobility. He can still move. He can still post up, he can still defend, he can shoot a bit. Hes well past his prime, but at his prime , he was grossly underrated and a top 20 player in the league. Hes obvs far from that at this point, but he certainly certainly can help as a bench forward. Also, you can still bring in another PF at the deadline. If Millsap gets more money than the vet min or passes on us or we pass on him - in this event, Id almost prefer to wait. Because if you wait until Dec 15th, Markk becomes a real possibility and if you strike out there (maybe he mends things w the bulls, maybe they like another offer better, whatever) .... the good news is you still have a lot of runway between then and the deadline to work something else out as a fallback (I assume 1 of Anderson, Nance, Boucher will be available....And there are prob other serviceable PFs on non-competitive teams that would be available that im not thining of also). So to summarize my conclusion: It may be worth it to wait a bit, see where we are in December. And if we look competitive, maybe try then to get Markk then. Because worst case, we cant get him - we can still go get someone like Anderson, Nance, Boucher. However, if we can get Millsap for the vet min, I think we have to do it. And even if we do, this doesnt rule out Markk late December, it just makes him a bit less of a need.
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Post by Cabutan on Aug 27, 2021 13:44:34 GMT -5
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Post by kdp59 on Aug 27, 2021 15:49:52 GMT -5
www.cbssports.com/nba/news/with-larry-nance-jr-trade-blazers-take-a-step-forward-after-a-summer-of-damian-lillard-speculation/Trade grades: Lauri Markkanen to Cavaliers, Larry Nance Jr. to Blazers in three-team deal, per report Markkanen was perhaps the best remaining free agent on the market Jasmyn Wimbish By Jasmyn Wimbish 2 hrs ago After weeks of quietness in the NBA offseason, the silence was broken with a three-team trade that has Lauri Markkanen signing with the Cleveland Cavaliers on a four-year, $67 million contract in part of a three-way deal that will also send Cavaliers' Larry Nance Jr. to the Portland Trail Blazers, while the Chicago Bulls will receive Derrick Jones Jr. and a protected first-round draft pick from Portland, as well as a future second-round draft pick from Cleveland, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.There's a lot of moving parts to this piece, but the biggest draw of this deal is Markkanen finally landing with a team after spending weeks in a holding pattern on where he would play next. After a disappointing season with the Bulls last year, in which he was pushed to a bench role in favor or Nikola Vucevic, Markkanen's days in Chicago were numbered. However, there was minimal interest in him from other teams around the league in signing him as a restricted free agent this summer. Now, though it appears he's found his next home with the Cavaliers, where he'll join a depth chart of forwards that already features Kevin Love and the 2021 No. 3 overall pick, Evan Mobley. For Portland, getting in on this deal and landing a player like Nance, who can immediately be plugged in an provide on both ends of the floor in the frontcourt should be viewed as a positive move by a franchise that has been relatively quiet in the offseason this summer. Chicago also made out well in this deal by landing two future picks, and an athletic wing in Jones who can serve as a solid reserve off the bench. There's several pros and cons to this trade, so let's break it all down and assign some grades. Trade details: Bulls get: Derrick Jones Jr., protected first-round pick (via POR), protected 2023 second-round pick (via DEN) Cavaliers get: Lauri Markkanen Trail Blazers get: Larry Nance Jr. Cavaliers Just to quickly recap Cleveland's offseason, after drafting Mobley, who has been called the prototype for the future of bigs in the NBA, the Cavs then re-signed big man Jarrett Allen to a five-year, $100 million deal and have now traded for another big in Markkanen on a costly multiyear deal. So yeah, this is rather head scratching for Cleveland. Not to mention it gave up Nance in the process, who was so integral in its (minimal) success last season, in addition to sending a second-round pick to Chicago. But it's clear the Cavaliers are paying for the potential of Markkanen and not what he's shown in the previous two years with the Bulls. Despite shooting career highs from the field (48 percent), and from deep (40.2 percent) last season, Markkanen struggled for the second consecutive season and put up a career-low 13.6 points. He was also moved to the bench after Chicago traded for Vucevic at the trade deadline, limiting his development even further. The thinking on Markkanen has been that perhaps a change in scenery will be just what he needs to replicate the success he had in his second year in the league, where he put up nearly 19 points a night and nine rebounds. But he's not going to be doing a bulk of the scoring in Cleveland in a crowded frontcourt, so this move is somewhat confusing. There is a world in which Markkanen acts as a great floor-spacing big for the Cavs knocking down 3s while Allen is down in the paint, but he was essentially used as a spot-up shooter in Chicago and has expressed before that he's not wild about that role. He also hasn't proven to be able to fill that role on a consistent basis, so then it begs the question of why did Cleveland just spend $67 million on him? The one thing this move does do, though, is it unofficially signals the end of Kevin Love's time with the Cavaliers. Markkanen is essentially a younger version of Love -- not as good as Love was in his prime -- so it likely means Love could become a buyout candidate before the season starts or at the trade deadline. Grade: C Bulls Chicago was never going to get an amazing package back from Markkanen through a sign and trade with his value so deflated, so this is a decent haul for the Bulls. The two future picks, which are a 2022 first-round pick that is top 14 protected through 2028 from Portland, and a 2023 second-round pick via the Denver Nuggets, are a nice bonus in case building around Zach LaVine doesn't pan out in the immediate future. Tacking on Jones gives Chicago a lengthy player to add off the bench. Markkanen was no longer part of Chicago's core for the future, so being able to get anything in return for him is a bonus. Taking on Jones is also an ideal move for Chicago because he's on a $9.7 million expiring contract entering this season, so he'll be an unrestricted free agent next summer. If he doesn't work out with Chicago this season, the Bulls will be able to walk away from him with no strings attached. Grade: B-plus Trail Blazers The biggest move the Blazers made prior to this trade was re-signing Norman Powell and adding Cody Zeller to the roster in free agency. Those aren't exactly the type of moves that are going to convince franchise centerpiece Damian Lillard to stay. Trading for Nance may not either, but it's still a really great move for Portland. For a team that ranked 29th in the league last season in defensive rating (115.3), adding a defensive-minded player in Nance will certainly help boost this team on that end of the floor. Defense has been the Trail Blazers' biggest glaring weakness for several years, and adding a 6-7 forward in Nance who is going to grab you rebounds, is a versatile defender and can get you some buckets from several areas on the floor is a huge positive. Nance can also help take some of the pressure off Lillard and CJ McCollum by being a lob threat off screens, knock down jumpers when the defense is pressuring Lillard and he's also known to be a great passer. He may not be the All-Star level player that Lillard was hoping the Blazers would get, but he excels at a lot of the little things that Portland has struggled with over the years, and that matters. Grade: A-minus
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Post by kdp59 on Aug 27, 2021 15:55:58 GMT -5
so when Love is bought out will he join Lebron at the old folks home?
we know that if Ainge was still here, he'd probably be trying to find a way to pick up his bloated contract before any buy out, but lets hope Stevens has no Love for the old-timer.
oh yeah, thank GOD Cleveland signed the finish blond!!
they still seem to be a $hitshow in Cleveland...LOL.
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Post by Admin on Aug 27, 2021 17:18:18 GMT -5
Honestly, it doesnt rule out Markk. Here are my thoughts know that we've cleared this up. What I hear: "the bulls wont move markk because their asking price is just too high. They want a first and arent even willing to take money back!" You and I both know that Markk is worth a first in the area where we are likely to be drafting (I think we'll be a top 10 team, so bottom 10 pick). So Im sensing value/opportunity, and I know you are sniffing this out as well. Id give up our first, easily. If we are going to pounce there, there are 2 options. Act now (S+T - which would hard cap us) or wait until Dec 15th. If you wait, there are 2 possibilities worth considering: a) he can fit in a TPE or b) hes making too much (either because Bulls signed him to a contract, or Thunder made an offer that Chi matched). Lets start w the S+T - the challenge is the hard cap. Still doable, but youd have to send enough money back to get under the hard cap. How much money? It depends on the contract Markk would pre-agree to with us. If its like 1 yr / 12M you may be able to sell him "hey look, its more than you would make on the QO and youre running out of options here." $12M is matchable. Would prob have to send a tick more to ensure under the hard cap. But I Dunn + Gwill + Langford....I think you can get there. Its harder to "get there" if the contract is higher. If the contract is $15Mish, this creates possibility 2: So if possibility 1 is ruled out and we have to wait so its now mid December - we have to consider what he's playing for $wise. If its like 13-15M, then it fits in the TPE. ANd if all the Bulls want is a first round pick we should consider pouncing there. He'd be a pure rental, but we may get his rights. Im not 100% on that tho, because whatever he's playing for will count as a new contract. And Im a little fuzzy on how that effects the cap holds, incumbent advantages, bird rights type stuff. But if we do get those rights with the player, he's absolutely worth the TPE and a first. If not, we have to consider how we look and if its a "go for it year." Still might be worth it. So possibility 3 would be we're in mid december and he's playing for more than our largest TPE. This would be over 15M and we'd have to send money back and that would be hard to do. $20M is hard to get to. So this would probably make the trade unlikely (but still possible). Another set of things to consider: do the celtics agree we need a PF at all (I know this board consensus is hell yeah, and Im on that bus too) - but ultimately its up to Stevens and Co. Do the celtics want to bring in that PF now? Is it worth waiting? My conclusion: If Millsap cant get more than vet min, and has to settle for the vet min....I think you have to pounce there. Its kind of like the Schroder thing where you have to act cuz the player just fell into your lap. If he can only get the vet min, I assume we would look tempting because we've shown interest previously (and that matters to players, look at Hayward), and we can promise a rotation spot. He's old but he doesnt have that foot thing that zapped Horfords mobility. He can still move. He can still post up, he can still defend, he can shoot a bit. Hes well past his prime, but at his prime , he was grossly underrated and a top 20 player in the league. Hes obvs far from that at this point, but he certainly certainly can help as a bench forward. Also, you can still bring in another PF at the deadline. If Millsap gets more money than the vet min or passes on us or we pass on him - in this event, Id almost prefer to wait. Because if you wait until Dec 15th, Markk becomes a real possibility and if you strike out there (maybe he mends things w the bulls, maybe they like another offer better, whatever) .... the good news is you still have a lot of runway between then and the deadline to work something else out as a fallback (I assume 1 of Anderson, Nance, Boucher will be available....And there are prob other serviceable PFs on non-competitive teams that would be available that im not thining of also). So to summarize my conclusion: It may be worth it to wait a bit, see where we are in December. And if we look competitive, maybe try then to get Markk then. Because worst case, we cant get him - we can still go get someone like Anderson, Nance, Boucher. However, if we can get Millsap for the vet min, I think we have to do it. And even if we do, this doesnt rule out Markk late December, it just makes him a bit less of a need. So the Cavs make an offer that the Bulls can't refuse (I never thought they'd match any offer Lauri got anyway to keep him). They got their FRDP (protected but good for a number of yrs) as well as a 2nd in 2023 (also protected) and they got Derrick Jones Jr for a season. Not bad!
So we've lost out on Lauri & Nance in one trade ... 2 down, three to go (Anderson, Boucher, Millsap).
I've come to the conclusion that Brad won't do another trade like Fournier with his largest TPE and risk losing that player to a big offer from another team in free agency ... hence, Anderson is out unless extended.
That leaves Boucher who I can't see TOR trading to us (Division rival) despite being top heavy in PFs (they can cut/move Gillespie and either Precious or Boucher and still have Siakam & Birch with 1 of those two) and Millsap who I'm ready to join you as the most likely option available. He's long in the tooth but "does his job," another vet influence and yrs of experience alongside Horford can't hurt unless they tired of each other.
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Post by Admin on Aug 27, 2021 19:23:39 GMT -5
so when Love is bought out will he join Lebron at the old folks home? we know that if Ainge was still here, he'd probably be trying to find a way to pick up his bloated contract before any buy out, but lets hope Stevens has no Love for the old-timer. oh yeah, thank GOD Cleveland signed the finish blond!! they still seem to be a $hitshow in Cleveland...LOL.
If Danny's consulting somewhere (Jazz?) he'll be working the phone soon ...
Cavs, Love Making Progress Toward Buyout by Dana Gauruder
With the Cavaliers making a bold move to acquire Bulls restricted free agent forward Lauri Markkanen via a sign-and-trade, Kevin Love‘s career in Cleveland appears to be coming to an end.
The Cavs are making progress toward a buyout agreement with Love, according to Terry Pluto of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
Love has two years and $60MM remaining on the four-year, $120.4MM extension that kicked in during the 2019/20 campaign. However, the talks could still fall apart and it’s not close to a done deal, Pluto cautions.
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Post by Admin on Aug 27, 2021 19:32:42 GMT -5
How the Lauri trade could affect the Celtics:
Does it impact the Celtics TPE possibilities at all?By BRobb
The main area of note here from the Celtics’ perspective is losing out on a potential affordable power forward that would have fit nicely into their TPE in Larry Nance Jr. to Portland. The Blazers are looking to contend right away so he no longer looks like an available target for Boston in-season any longer barring the Blazers having a disastrous year and selling off Lillard and other assets at the trade deadline. Nance Jr. is under contract for two more seasons for a total of $20 million. He averaged 9.3 points and 6.7 rebounds per game last season but his defensive versatility should make him a valuable fit in Portland. The Celtics showed trade interest in Nance Jr. last season according to league sources. The other moving parts here shouldn’t interest the Celtics much at all. The C’s were linked to Markkanen far earlier this offseason but their subsequent moves made any potential pursuit highly unlikely. The other name that could become more readily available in the short-term future here is Kevin Love. The veteran big man is still under contract for two more seasons but could be headed towards a buyout if the Cavs want to go with younger players over him. The guess here is the Celtics wouldn’t have much interest in a 32-year-old Love even after his buyout but he would obviously be worth a look for the veteran’s minimum. It’s also likely that he would try to play for a top-tier contender if those teams have interest in him if/when he is bought out.
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Post by elvissurfs on Aug 28, 2021 15:33:52 GMT -5
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Post by elvissurfs on Aug 28, 2021 15:53:27 GMT -5
Something to pass the time on a slow Saturday...
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Post by elvissurfs on Aug 28, 2021 19:35:59 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Aug 28, 2021 22:36:28 GMT -5
We can carry up to 20 players until the season opens ... we still have exhibit 10 (training camp > G-League contracts available) and one 2-way contract open.
Don't be surprised if we add players before cutting down to the required limit.
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Post by kdp59 on Aug 29, 2021 8:48:15 GMT -5
I believe Parkers deal only has a $100K guarantee still right now.
Not sure when it become fully guaranteed.
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Post by elvissurfs on Aug 29, 2021 10:00:23 GMT -5
I believe Parkers deal only has a $100K guarantee still right now. Not sure when it become fully guaranteed. From the link I posted a few posts back...
Jabari Parker - forward
Dennis Schneidler-USA TODAY Sports
The former No. 3 pick has a compelling narrative should he stick in the league and manage to turn his career around — but will it be in Boston this season that he does it?
With just $100,000 in salary guaranteed before opening night brings his full salary of $2.1 million onto the books, there’s a compelling reason to move on from Parker for the Celtics.
He’s perhaps the most likely to be cut outright as a result, but one of if not the best offensive player of the five at a position of need for the Celtics.
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Post by Admin on Aug 29, 2021 11:01:04 GMT -5
I believe Parkers deal only has a $100K guarantee still right now. Not sure when it become fully guaranteed.
2021 non-guaranteed, $100k guaranteed 7/31/21 8/24/21, $1,141,517 guaranteed Opening Night
Comment:
The $1,141,517 is exactly 1/2 of his entire 2021-22' contract of $2,283,034. So if he survives training camp, he is working for the balance and the C's will save a prorata portion of that balance ($1,141,517) if he is terminated during the season.
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Post by Admin on Aug 29, 2021 11:31:49 GMT -5
Indeed ... and that's bad news for "The Little Guy."
Lakers Notes: Rondo, Thomas, Jordan, Handy by Arthur Hill
Rajon Rondo appears likely to join the Lakers after he clears waivers on Monday, even though the team can only offer a veteran’s minimum contract, writes Dave McMenamin of ESPN. Rondo reached a buyout agreement on Saturday with the Grizzlies, who apparently never had any intention of keeping the veteran guard after acquiring him from the Clippers two weeks ago. Details on the buyout haven’t been made available, but he was set to make $7.5MM in the final season of a two-year contract.
The Lakers were “strongly considering” adding Isaiah Thomas to their roster, but Rondo’s buyout has “clearly changed things,” tweets Jon Krawczynski of The Athletic. Thomas worked out for the team earlier this month, along with Darren Collison and Mike James, and is hoping to find a way back to the NBA after playing just three games for the Pelicans last season.
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Post by Admin on Aug 29, 2021 11:36:08 GMT -5
Could Rajon Rondo’s Lakers legacy surpass his Cs legacy?by Andrew Hughes
(Photo by G Fiume/Getty Images)
With Rajon Rondo finding a new (but old) home with the Los Angeles Lakers, could it be that the 2006 draft pick’s purple and gold legacy could be one more synonymous with his career than his Boston Celtics legacy? Rondo was a messy fit alongside LeBron James with the Lakers in his first season on board, but things ratcheted up when Anthony Davis joined the fold in the summer of 2019 and the former Kentucky Wildcats rekindled a previously successful pick-and-roll pair from their days in New Orleans. A championship resulted, and in the wake of the rebirth of “Playoff Rondo“, the 35-year-old signed a two-year deal with the Atlanta Hawks. Rondo was shipped to the Los Angeles Clippers midway through the season, but he took a backseat to Reggie Jackson and Pat Beverley during the team’s Western Conference finals run. Jackson resigning meant Rondo was once more on the trade block, and Memphis ended up being the destination in a deal that returned Eric Bledsoe. The Grizzlies didn’t keep him. The Lakers then swooped in. Now, Rondo rejoins a team that he exceled on two seasons ago that went out and added Russell Westbrook and Carmelo Anthony to the fold. He’s not alone in returning to the team he became a championship role player on, as Dwight Howard re-signed as well this summer. With two major glue guys back, the Lakers may just be the NBA title favorites once more. Remember, James and Davis were not healthy during the 2020-21 season and were hurting during their Western Conference quarterfinals series against the eventual west champion Phoenix Suns. If L.A. wins another title, would the Lakers become the team Rondo’s career becomes synonymous with?
Unless Rondo becomes an All-Star again, he will always be a Boston Celtics legend first and foremost.Rondo can win another three championships with the Lakers, but the sad truth is that Rondo was never truly the same after his ACL tear in 2013. That year’s championship contender was derailed, and never again was Rondo as integral to a winner. He put up empty stats for a losing Sacramento Kings outfit, and was a solid hand on the Pelicans during their surprising 2018 postseason run. But when he is being inducted into the Hall of Fame when it’s all said and done, the stories highlighting his utter dominance at his peak will include the 2007-08 NBA Championship run alongside the Big 3 and the video game stat lines he put up during the 2012 Eastern Conference finals series against the eventual champion Miami Heat. It will be his Boston Celtics battles against LeBron James, not with him, that will define his NBA legacy.
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Post by drewski6 on Aug 30, 2021 8:04:56 GMT -5
Honestly, it doesnt rule out Markk. Here are my thoughts know that we've cleared this up. What I hear: "the bulls wont move markk because their asking price is just too high. They want a first and arent even willing to take money back!" You and I both know that Markk is worth a first in the area where we are likely to be drafting (I think we'll be a top 10 team, so bottom 10 pick). So Im sensing value/opportunity, and I know you are sniffing this out as well. Id give up our first, easily. If we are going to pounce there, there are 2 options. Act now (S+T - which would hard cap us) or wait until Dec 15th. If you wait, there are 2 possibilities worth considering: a) he can fit in a TPE or b) hes making too much (either because Bulls signed him to a contract, or Thunder made an offer that Chi matched). Lets start w the S+T - the challenge is the hard cap. Still doable, but youd have to send enough money back to get under the hard cap. How much money? It depends on the contract Markk would pre-agree to with us. If its like 1 yr / 12M you may be able to sell him "hey look, its more than you would make on the QO and youre running out of options here." $12M is matchable. Would prob have to send a tick more to ensure under the hard cap. But I Dunn + Gwill + Langford....I think you can get there. Its harder to "get there" if the contract is higher. If the contract is $15Mish, this creates possibility 2: So if possibility 1 is ruled out and we have to wait so its now mid December - we have to consider what he's playing for $wise. If its like 13-15M, then it fits in the TPE. ANd if all the Bulls want is a first round pick we should consider pouncing there. He'd be a pure rental, but we may get his rights. Im not 100% on that tho, because whatever he's playing for will count as a new contract. And Im a little fuzzy on how that effects the cap holds, incumbent advantages, bird rights type stuff. But if we do get those rights with the player, he's absolutely worth the TPE and a first. If not, we have to consider how we look and if its a "go for it year." Still might be worth it. So possibility 3 would be we're in mid december and he's playing for more than our largest TPE. This would be over 15M and we'd have to send money back and that would be hard to do. $20M is hard to get to. So this would probably make the trade unlikely (but still possible). Another set of things to consider: do the celtics agree we need a PF at all (I know this board consensus is hell yeah, and Im on that bus too) - but ultimately its up to Stevens and Co. Do the celtics want to bring in that PF now? Is it worth waiting? My conclusion: If Millsap cant get more than vet min, and has to settle for the vet min....I think you have to pounce there. Its kind of like the Schroder thing where you have to act cuz the player just fell into your lap. If he can only get the vet min, I assume we would look tempting because we've shown interest previously (and that matters to players, look at Hayward), and we can promise a rotation spot. He's old but he doesnt have that foot thing that zapped Horfords mobility. He can still move. He can still post up, he can still defend, he can shoot a bit. Hes well past his prime, but at his prime , he was grossly underrated and a top 20 player in the league. Hes obvs far from that at this point, but he certainly certainly can help as a bench forward. Also, you can still bring in another PF at the deadline. If Millsap gets more money than the vet min or passes on us or we pass on him - in this event, Id almost prefer to wait. Because if you wait until Dec 15th, Markk becomes a real possibility and if you strike out there (maybe he mends things w the bulls, maybe they like another offer better, whatever) .... the good news is you still have a lot of runway between then and the deadline to work something else out as a fallback (I assume 1 of Anderson, Nance, Boucher will be available....And there are prob other serviceable PFs on non-competitive teams that would be available that im not thining of also). So to summarize my conclusion: It may be worth it to wait a bit, see where we are in December. And if we look competitive, maybe try then to get Markk then. Because worst case, we cant get him - we can still go get someone like Anderson, Nance, Boucher. However, if we can get Millsap for the vet min, I think we have to do it. And even if we do, this doesnt rule out Markk late December, it just makes him a bit less of a need. So the Cavs make an offer that the Bulls can't refuse (I never thought they'd match any offer Lauri got anyway to keep him). They got their FRDP (protected but good for a number of yrs) as well as a 2nd in 2023 (also protected) and they got Derrick Jones Jr for a season. Not bad!
So we've lost out on Lauri & Nance in one trade ... 2 down, three to go (Anderson, Boucher, Millsap).
I've come to the conclusion that Brad won't do another trade like Fournier with his largest TPE and risk losing that player to a big offer from another team in free agency ... hence, Anderson is out unless extended.
That leaves Boucher who I can't see TOR trading to us (Division rival) despite being top heavy in PFs (they can cut/move Gillespie and either Precious or Boucher and still have Siakam & Birch with 1 of those two) and Millsap who I'm ready to join you as the most likely option available. He's long in the tooth but "does his job," another vet influence and yrs of experience alongside Horford can't hurt unless they tired of each other.
Good post, agree on all counts. Bummer that not only did Markk come off the market, but Nance came off the market in the same deal. I agree with you (theres a lot to agree with in your post) that Boucher is a long shot. I have my doubts Toronto will want to do business with us, and I think they also have a high asking price anyways. I imagine that if we are to force them to deal w us w an offer they cant refuse, it would have to be crazy and too much. Millsap would be great for the reasons you mention + he would cost practically nothing. Just a FA signing for the min. Anderson still a good option as well, but with Nance and Markk off the board, I imagine his trade value just went up.
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Post by kyceltic on Aug 30, 2021 9:41:29 GMT -5
Could Rajon Rondo’s Lakers legacy surpass his Cs legacy?by Andrew Hughes
(Photo by G Fiume/Getty Images)
With Rajon Rondo finding a new (but old) home with the Los Angeles Lakers, could it be that the 2006 draft pick’s purple and gold legacy could be one more synonymous with his career than his Boston Celtics legacy? Rondo was a messy fit alongside LeBron James with the Lakers in his first season on board, but things ratcheted up when Anthony Davis joined the fold in the summer of 2019 and the former Kentucky Wildcats rekindled a previously successful pick-and-roll pair from their days in New Orleans. A championship resulted, and in the wake of the rebirth of “Playoff Rondo“, the 35-year-old signed a two-year deal with the Atlanta Hawks. Rondo was shipped to the Los Angeles Clippers midway through the season, but he took a backseat to Reggie Jackson and Pat Beverley during the team’s Western Conference finals run. Jackson resigning meant Rondo was once more on the trade block, and Memphis ended up being the destination in a deal that returned Eric Bledsoe. The Grizzlies didn’t keep him. The Lakers then swooped in. Now, Rondo rejoins a team that he exceled on two seasons ago that went out and added Russell Westbrook and Carmelo Anthony to the fold. He’s not alone in returning to the team he became a championship role player on, as Dwight Howard re-signed as well this summer. With two major glue guys back, the Lakers may just be the NBA title favorites once more. Remember, James and Davis were not healthy during the 2020-21 season and were hurting during their Western Conference quarterfinals series against the eventual west champion Phoenix Suns. If L.A. wins another title, would the Lakers become the team Rondo’s career becomes synonymous with?
Unless Rondo becomes an All-Star again, he will always be a Boston Celtics legend first and foremost.Rondo can win another three championships with the Lakers, but the sad truth is that Rondo was never truly the same after his ACL tear in 2013. That year’s championship contender was derailed, and never again was Rondo as integral to a winner. He put up empty stats for a losing Sacramento Kings outfit, and was a solid hand on the Pelicans during their surprising 2018 postseason run. But when he is being inducted into the Hall of Fame when it’s all said and done, the stories highlighting his utter dominance at his peak will include the 2007-08 NBA Championship run alongside the Big 3 and the video game stat lines he put up during the 2012 Eastern Conference finals series against the eventual champion Miami Heat. It will be his Boston Celtics battles against LeBron James, not with him, that will define his NBA legacy.
Ain't no way Rondo belongs in the hall of fame!
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