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Post by puddin on May 13, 2021 13:03:40 GMT -5
Solly, very good points. But I believe a coach can "get to" players so they perform and execute and play harder. The Knicks have had the same players but Tom Thibodeau turned something on in them. The Hawks were the same team but Nate McMillan is doing "something" that has this team focused and playing a lot differently than they were for their previous coach. For me, the coach has the responsibility to get to his players and BS has lost that ability. And both teams will accomplish nothing in the playoffs. Those teams lack elite talent, they play hard to win...just like the 2016 Celtics. The Celtics now have better talent, but the inflated self worth of the players has impeded their ability to perform as a team. Like I said they may be forced to move from Brad. I move Brad over any talented player, regardless of any issues...but to blame this teams performance on the coach is just misplacing anger and blame imo The Celtics went from overachievers to pathetic underachievers as the roster changed. The coach always was the same personYes.... The roster changes and the coach, always the same person, fails to change accordingly.
Yes solly, You are getting warmer, warmer..... WARMER!!!!
Stay with that train of thought, amigo!
You are almost there!
Pud
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Post by drewski6 on May 13, 2021 13:34:00 GMT -5
What team?...
Brown, Nesmith, and Tacko/Pritchard are the only keepers... I love RWill, but not confident his big body can hang in this league...he is the beast who can make a huge difference...Tatum is gone...he aint going to stick around and deal with Ainge and Coach BS...as in bull shite...
Tatum signed an extension.
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Post by petey62 on May 13, 2021 13:52:04 GMT -5
Solly, very good points. But I believe a coach can "get to" players so they perform and execute and play harder. The Knicks have had the same players but Tom Thibodeau turned something on in them. The Hawks were the same team but Nate McMillan is doing "something" that has this team focused and playing a lot differently than they were for their previous coach. For me, the coach has the responsibility to get to his players and BS has lost that ability. And both teams will accomplish nothing in the playoffs. Those teams lack elite talent, they play hard to win...just like the 2016 Celtics. The Celtics now have better talent, but the inflated self worth of the players has impeded their ability to perform as a team. Like I said they may be forced to move from Brad. I move Brad over any talented player, regardless of any issues...but to blame this teams performance on the coach is just misplacing anger and blame imo The Celtics went from overachievers to pathetic underachievers as the roster changed. The coach always was the same person Solly, neither team has to accomplish anything in the playoffs. My point is that for both the Knicks and Hawks, the first step is "changing the culture" and that is what Thibodeau and McMillan have gotten their players to buy in to. It's the same players, just a different message and approach to coaching. Making noise in the playoffs is not important right now to those teams. The culture has changed and it's because of the coach. Both the Knicks and Hawks are in great positions to become elite teams in the next few years and I would bet they will likely become a destination for FAs this offseason, which will only go to improve them even more. Now, you may very well be right if the Knicks and Hawks return to being underachieving teams next season but I doubt that will happen. But we'll see.
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Post by cole on May 13, 2021 14:12:49 GMT -5
A glimmer of good news (for me). BOC is coming to Dodge City in July, opening band Head East.
Looks like Buck and Eric are still with the band. Really looks like all original mostly to me.
Kansas plays there twice a year, and the only original member is the drummer. Our season:
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 14:22:43 GMT -5
A glimmer of good news (for me). BOC is coming to Dodge City in July, opening band Head East. Looks like Buck and Eric are still with the band. Really looks like all original mostly to me. Kansas plays there twice a year, and the only original member is the drummer. Our season: Kansas? Dust in the Wind got played most every day.. The Vinvl has so many scratches it looked like it had been in a Cat fight.. You've really embraced the state of Kansas. I can't call ya an Okie anymore.. Do Kansas folk make fun of Okies like the Virginians make fun of West VA?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 14:24:07 GMT -5
If I owned the Celtics and looked out on the floor and down the bench, at the team that was playing last night, I would immediately call Danny Ainge and fire him! And if I were Ainge, I would resign in embarrassment!! Ya old friend Fierce has Ainge's number. Call
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 13, 2021 14:32:30 GMT -5
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Post by quagmire on May 13, 2021 14:33:29 GMT -5
The coach doesn’t play, your anger is misguided Solly, do you believe that the GM and coach bear little to no responsibility for the product on the court? Do you blame the players MOST for the product on the court? Or can you place MOST of the blame on the GM for selecting the groceries and the coach for cooking the meal? If I go out and buy a 3rd rate prime rib piece of meat wholesale and you, the chef, fail to properly season and prepare that prime rib, you and I are to blame when the product placed on a customer's table is substandard.On the other hand, if I go out and buy a 3rd rate prime rib piece of mean wholesale and you, the chef, hook that meat up with amazing seasoning and preparation, customers are gonna compliment the chef for delivering an amazing product to the table. The groceries are substandard on the Celtics and there is little to no oversight to improve the product. DA has failed in his assembling of a cohesive team and BS has failed in how he prepares and directs the performance of that team (best game plan, best rotations, best use of players, in-game adjustments, consistency in all of those areas so players know their roles). It really appears that the players have their own agenda and they are not listening to BS. It just seems, to me, that he has lost these guys. your 100% correct. Solly is a troll who used to go by the name Butchise. He has been given the nickname “trolly” on the football board. Not even worth responding to.
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Post by cole on May 13, 2021 14:41:12 GMT -5
A glimmer of good news (for me). BOC is coming to Dodge City in July, opening band Head East. Looks like Buck and Eric are still with the band. Really looks like all original mostly to me. Kansas plays there twice a year, and the only original member is the drummer. Our season: Kansas? Dust in the Wind got played most every day.. The Vinvl has so many scratches it looked like it had been in a Cat fight.. You've really embraced the state of Kansas. I can't call ya an Okie anymore.. Do Kansas folk make fun of Okies like the Virginians make fun of West VA? The only difference between Jayhawkers and Sooners is, south of the border they say "y'all." Kansans don't.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 14:42:17 GMT -5
Solly, do you believe that the GM and coach bear little to no responsibility for the product on the court? Do you blame the players MOST for the product on the court? Or can you place MOST of the blame on the GM for selecting the groceries and the coach for cooking the meal? If I go out and buy a 3rd rate prime rib piece of meat wholesale and you, the chef, fail to properly season and prepare that prime rib, you and I are to blame when the product placed on a customer's table is substandard.On the other hand, if I go out and buy a 3rd rate prime rib piece of mean wholesale and you, the chef, hook that meat up with amazing seasoning and preparation, customers are gonna compliment the chef for delivering an amazing product to the table. The groceries are substandard on the Celtics and there is little to no oversight to improve the product. DA has failed in his assembling of a cohesive team and BS has failed in how he prepares and directs the performance of that team (best game plan, best rotations, best use of players, in-game adjustments, consistency in all of those areas so players know their roles). It really appears that the players have their own agenda and they are not listening to BS. It just seems, to me, that he has lost these guys. your 100% correct. Solly is a troll who used to go by the name Butchise. He has been given the nickname “trolly” on the football board. Not even worth responding to. Really? Not doubting ya an honest chap from what i can gather despite our political differences. I just see he blames the season on Brown and Tatum.. A troll ran Fierce off? How Ironic.. I have good news today for once.. Celtics forward Jaylen Brown yesterday underwent successful scapholunate reconstruction surgery,” the Celtics said in a press release. “He is expected to return to basketball activities in approximately three months.”
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Post by WALLY WALLBANGER on May 13, 2021 15:01:32 GMT -5
Good afternoon Prakash.. You post no more on the game threads?
Upgrade your ignore button i have endless characters..
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Post by Cabutan on May 13, 2021 15:23:47 GMT -5
Wally Wallbanger? Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa that made my day. Thats funny
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Post by solly on May 13, 2021 15:25:28 GMT -5
And both teams will accomplish nothing in the playoffs. Those teams lack elite talent, they play hard to win...just like the 2016 Celtics. The Celtics now have better talent, but the inflated self worth of the players has impeded their ability to perform as a team. Like I said they may be forced to move from Brad. I move Brad over any talented player, regardless of any issues...but to blame this teams performance on the coach is just misplacing anger and blame imo The Celtics went from overachievers to pathetic underachievers as the roster changed. The coach always was the same person
The Sixers will now that Doc has gotten that roster to "pay attention."
We will see, embiid is also now 27 and in his prime. I don’t think they get out of the East, so they’ll lose in the playoffs like they always have
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Post by solly on May 13, 2021 15:27:38 GMT -5
And both teams will accomplish nothing in the playoffs. Those teams lack elite talent, they play hard to win...just like the 2016 Celtics. The Celtics now have better talent, but the inflated self worth of the players has impeded their ability to perform as a team. Like I said they may be forced to move from Brad. I move Brad over any talented player, regardless of any issues...but to blame this teams performance on the coach is just misplacing anger and blame imo The Celtics went from overachievers to pathetic underachievers as the roster changed. The coach always was the same person Solly, neither team has to accomplish anything in the playoffs. My point is that for both the Knicks and Hawks, the first step is "changing the culture" and that is what Thibodeau and McMillan have gotten their players to buy in to. It's the same players, just a different message and approach to coaching. Making noise in the playoffs is not important right now to those teams. The culture has changed and it's because of the coach. Both the Knicks and Hawks are in great positions to become elite teams in the next few years and I would bet they will likely become a destination for FAs this offseason, which will only go to improve them even more. Now, you may very well be right if the Knicks and Hawks return to being underachieving teams next season but I doubt that will happen. But we'll see. And I see your point Pete. I think that is totally up to the players though. At the end of the day, this is a players league to the upmost...it’s very rare a team with great players on it, is a bad team. To me, that means there’s something not adding up with the players
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Post by solly on May 13, 2021 15:29:21 GMT -5
your 100% correct. Solly is a troll who used to go by the name Butchise. He has been given the nickname “trolly” on the football board. Not even worth responding to. Really? Not doubting ya an honest chap from what i can gather despite our political differences. I just see he blames the season on Brown and Tatum.. A troll ran Fierce off? How Ironic.. I have good news today for once.. Celtics forward Jaylen Brown yesterday underwent successful scapholunate reconstruction surgery,” the Celtics said in a press release. “He is expected to return to basketball activities in approximately three months.” Quagmire is a creep who follows me around on both forums just to call me a troll. I’m surprised I don’t see him with his pants down outside my window every night. Biggest loser I’ve seen on the internet. Him and fierce played the troll card, ones gone and one is obsessed with me...you do the math
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Post by solly on May 13, 2021 15:30:53 GMT -5
Solly, do you believe that the GM and coach bear little to no responsibility for the product on the court? Do you blame the players MOST for the product on the court? Or can you place MOST of the blame on the GM for selecting the groceries and the coach for cooking the meal? If I go out and buy a 3rd rate prime rib piece of meat wholesale and you, the chef, fail to properly season and prepare that prime rib, you and I are to blame when the product placed on a customer's table is substandard.On the other hand, if I go out and buy a 3rd rate prime rib piece of mean wholesale and you, the chef, hook that meat up with amazing seasoning and preparation, customers are gonna compliment the chef for delivering an amazing product to the table. The groceries are substandard on the Celtics and there is little to no oversight to improve the product. DA has failed in his assembling of a cohesive team and BS has failed in how he prepares and directs the performance of that team (best game plan, best rotations, best use of players, in-game adjustments, consistency in all of those areas so players know their roles). It really appears that the players have their own agenda and they are not listening to BS. It just seems, to me, that he has lost these guys. your 100% correct. Solly is a troll who used to go by the name Butchise. He has been given the nickname “trolly” on the football board. Not even worth responding to. Let’s add this one to the lists of posts you make about me. Grade A creep. I’d be willing to bet Pete has no problem with me at all. You can ask him yourself
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 15:36:29 GMT -5
Quaig is wierd .. He's not been caught in several lies like Fierce yet
Only wierdos stay here.. We seem to attract them.. Seems like you fit the bill. No disrespect meant..
You seem too relucant to critique Ainge or Stevens,,
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Post by petey62 on May 13, 2021 15:40:22 GMT -5
Solly, neither team has to accomplish anything in the playoffs. My point is that for both the Knicks and Hawks, the first step is "changing the culture" and that is what Thibodeau and McMillan have gotten their players to buy in to. It's the same players, just a different message and approach to coaching. Making noise in the playoffs is not important right now to those teams. The culture has changed and it's because of the coach. Both the Knicks and Hawks are in great positions to become elite teams in the next few years and I would bet they will likely become a destination for FAs this offseason, which will only go to improve them even more. Now, you may very well be right if the Knicks and Hawks return to being underachieving teams next season but I doubt that will happen. But we'll see. And I see your point Pete. I think that is totally up to the players though. At the end of the day, this is a players league to the upmost...it’s very rare a team with great players on it, is a bad team. To me, that means there’s something not adding up with the players I don't think we have "great players" on the Celtics. We have one young player, JT, who possesses all the tools to be great and, provided he matures, will develop into an elite NBA player. We have another young player, JB, who has the skills to be maybe one tier lower than elite. But both of those labels won't be realized on these guys for another couple years. The WORST thing that could have happened to JT and JB was to get to 3 ECFs in 4 years. Now they're seeing that it isn't that easy. But you are right, something isn't adding up with this team.
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Post by solly on May 13, 2021 15:41:46 GMT -5
Quaig is wierd .. He's not been caught in several lies like Fierce yet Only wierdos stay here.. We seem to attract them.. Seems like you fit the bill. No disrespect meant.. You seem too relucant to critique Ainge or Stevens,, Fierce and quaig are different. Quaig I could see as a pedo in real life as he’s obsessive over others for no reason. Fierce was afraid to face the fact he was wrong about everything and that he relentlessly made fun of others who were right. I do blame Ainge for missing out on moves to make this team better. Stevens/coaches I do not blame in the NBA unless they drive the team bus off a cliff.
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Post by solly on May 13, 2021 15:45:19 GMT -5
And I see your point Pete. I think that is totally up to the players though. At the end of the day, this is a players league to the upmost...it’s very rare a team with great players on it, is a bad team. To me, that means there’s something not adding up with the players I don't think we have "great players" on the Celtics. We have one young player, JT, who possesses all the tools to be great and, provided he matures, will develop into an elite NBA player. We have another young player, JB, who has the skills to be maybe one tier lower than elite. But both of those labels won't be realized on these guys for another couple years. The WORST thing that could have happened to JT and JB was to get to 3 ECFs in 4 years. Now they're seeing that it isn't that easy. But you are right, something isn't adding up with this team. I agree 100% with that sentiment. That’s why I refuse to blame a coach in the nba. If lebron is on this team instead of Tatum, they probably go to the finals and now the coach is great. I just think we want Tatum and brown to be great so badly we will blame anyone but them, when in reality if you have multiple great players...you are great. And this team is bad.br] I think they are just in the early stages of their career, they have the ability with development (while most dont) to be great. Just have to get there. If we want to change the coach cause the players hate him, then I say change the coach. To me, at the end of the day, this team will not reach its potential for a few years
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Post by quagmire on May 13, 2021 17:07:29 GMT -5
your 100% correct. Solly is a troll who used to go by the name Butchise. He has been given the nickname “trolly” on the football board. Not even worth responding to. Really? Not doubting ya an honest chap from what i can gather despite our political differences. I just see he blames the season on Brown and Tatum.. A troll ran Fierce off? How Ironic.. I have good news today for once.. Celtics forward Jaylen Brown yesterday underwent successful scapholunate reconstruction surgery,” the Celtics said in a press release. “He is expected to return to basketball activities in approximately three months.” wow 3 months! Initially I read 6 months before resuming basketball activities. Then again the Doc probably says 6 and the C’s say 3! Lol
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Post by quagmire on May 13, 2021 17:10:34 GMT -5
Quaig is wierd .. He's not been caught in several lies like Fierce yet Only wierdos stay here.. We seem to attract them.. Seems like you fit the bill. No disrespect meant.. You seem too relucant to critique Ainge or Stevens,, Fierce and quaig are different. Quaig I could see as a pedo in real life as he’s obsessive over others for no reason. Fierce was afraid to face the fact he was wrong about everything and that he relentlessly made fun of others who were right. I do blame Ainge for missing out on moves to make this team better. Stevens/coaches I do not blame in the NBA unless they drive the team bus off a cliff. your the troll with no life Butchise. Now stop following me around, it’s creepy.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 17:10:41 GMT -5
JB is a much better defender than JT will ever be.. I see them even up JT has better offensive talents...
Of course no one cares about Defense in Boston .....
That's why were in the position we are now....
I don't understand you play the games on both ends not just one.
Not looking to discuss JT VS JB with anyone at any time or ever.....
Just an opinion....
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Post by solly on May 13, 2021 17:14:32 GMT -5
Fierce and quaig are different. Quaig I could see as a pedo in real life as he’s obsessive over others for no reason. Fierce was afraid to face the fact he was wrong about everything and that he relentlessly made fun of others who were right. I do blame Ainge for missing out on moves to make this team better. Stevens/coaches I do not blame in the NBA unless they drive the team bus off a cliff. your the troll with no life Butchise. Now stop following me around, it’s creepy. I think we should get your post history on both forums and see who’s following who. You’re a little doggy humping my leg wherever I go, with no thoughts of his own. Just a brain dead old man. Tough life
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 17:15:40 GMT -5
Quaig is wierd .. He's not been caught in several lies like Fierce yet Only wierdos stay here.. We seem to attract them.. Seems like you fit the bill. No disrespect meant.. You seem too relucant to critique Ainge or Stevens,, Fierce and quaig are different. Quaig I could see as a pedo in real life as he’s obsessive over others for no reason. Fierce was afraid to face the fact he was wrong about everything and that he relentlessly made fun of others who were right. I do blame Ainge for missing out on moves to make this team better. Stevens/coaches I do not blame in the NBA unless they drive the team bus off a cliff. Fine Timmy will be our head coach with Lassie as an assistant.. Your argument holds no water ,, Timmy is going over the playbook with Lassie as we speak
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