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Post by Cabutan on Apr 1, 2021 11:32:09 GMT -5
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 1, 2021 11:32:48 GMT -5
Does Brad sits players? 🤔
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Post by solly on Apr 1, 2021 11:32:59 GMT -5
I dont think there are many gameplans that are truly stuck to throughout a game in the nba. The game is relied on players talents and improvisational ability. Shooting 3s when open is about as much as you can ask for. Its the players responsibility to make them, and its really JT and JBs responsibility to create those open looks for the role players. If the approach worked last year, why change it? The expectations were incorrectly put on this team, their veteran talent was gone from last year along with Kemba's decreasing health. Young players dont win. This teams two best players are young I disagree with your first statement. Our offensive game plan is a heavily reliance on making 3-pointers. Yesterday we stuck to that game plan throughout the entire game despite our horrid rate making them. The Celtics don't have one true 3-point shooter. Every Celtics player shooting a 3-pointer can be classified as a "streak shooter". You should clarify your next to the last statement to include "NBA Titles". Young players CAN and DO win in the NBA (regular season) and, if fortunate, make it to the conference finals. We're not talking the NBA Finals here though. We're talking regular season games against the PELS and DAL and their struggles. Well, I think analytics plays a huge part in the NBA game and basically every team in the NBA relies on shooting 3s. A skillset of the great players in this league, is having the ability to finish around the basket consistently with both hands and have all the inbetween shots as well. A lot of the Celtics players dont have that ability either. So either way, you arent passing up open 3s. The 2nd comment I agree, I figured I didnt need to specify. Posters here arent happy being in the ECF and that is fine, neither am I. Their standards are championships, and them wanting this team to do it was unrealistic. Regular season games are won with effort on most nights, this team doesnt give it
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 1, 2021 11:38:41 GMT -5
Solly please read Ainge statement. If thats fully assertive to you I am afraid your wearing green glasses. Lets be honest here. BS as in bullshit aside. Lets not lie to ourselves. Brad is no providing the right leadership. Brad has never held anyone accountable. Brad is not motivating these guys. These are not pickup games. These are real case games. We have no direction in the offense and the D is not working because is probably read. In the NBA coaches need to adapt to changes. They need to be creative to be able to compete. This aint happening. We see a disarray of game plans if there is any. Danny does not want to admit that the guy he thought (and I thought and many of us thought) was going to be an NBA guru is just stuck into his University ball mindset.
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Post by solly on Apr 1, 2021 11:43:39 GMT -5
Solly please read Ainge statement. If thats fully assertive to you I am afraid your wearing green glasses. Lets be honest here. BS as in bullshit aside. Lets not lie to ourselves. Brad is no providing the right leadership. Brad has never held anyone accountable. Brad is not motivating these guys. These are not pickup games. These are real case games. We have no direction in the offense and the D is not working because is probably read. In the NBA coaches need to adapt to changes. They need to be creative to be able to compete. This aint happening. We see a disarray of game plans if there is any. Danny does not want to admit that the guy he thought (and I thought and many of us thought) was going to be an NBA guru is just stuck into his University ball mindset. I dont think anybody would accuse me of being a Celtics homer, ask Fierce for his opinion. Im simply saying the blame is misguided as were the expectations. I am not defended Brad personally. I am just doing 2 things. I limit the effect a coach has on a team in the NBA, as imo it is pretty mute. Especially at a championship level. And two, I am saying it could be any coach in there and the problems would still exist. I have said multiple times, I dont care if you fire Brad or not, in the end it wont matter. Pop, Kerr, Nurse, Spoelstra...The list could go on, what do these guys have in common? You talking about coaches adjusting gameplans and being creative to compete, to me is completely false. Our mindsets are just different. The coaching in the league simply doesnt matter in the big picture. What does matter is how good your best players are in comparison to everybody elses. I think maybe we should take a look at how we judge JT and JB in comparison to the league. Before the year, I was ridiculed by many when i said they werent superstars...Turns out I was right.
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 1, 2021 11:51:47 GMT -5
Solly please read Ainge statement. If thats fully assertive to you I am afraid your wearing green glasses. Lets be honest here. BS as in bullshit aside. Lets not lie to ourselves. Brad is no providing the right leadership. Brad has never held anyone accountable. Brad is not motivating these guys. These are not pickup games. These are real case games. We have no direction in the offense and the D is not working because is probably read. In the NBA coaches need to adapt to changes. They need to be creative to be able to compete. This aint happening. We see a disarray of game plans if there is any. Danny does not want to admit that the guy he thought (and I thought and many of us thought) was going to be an NBA guru is just stuck into his University ball mindset. I dont think anybody would accuse me of being a Celtics homer, ask Fierce for his opinion. Im simply saying the blame is misguided as were the expectations. I am not defended Brad personally. I am just doing 2 things. I limit the effect a coach has on a team in the NBA, as imo it is pretty mute. Especially at a championship level. And two, I am saying it could be any coach in there and the problems would still exist. I have said multiple times, I dont care if you fire Brad or not, in the end it wont matter. Pop, Kerr, Nurse, Spoelstra...The list could go on, what do these guys have in common? You talking about coaches adjusting gameplans and being creative to compete, to me is completely false. Our mindsets are just different. The coaching in the league simply doesnt matter in the big picture. What does matter is how good your best players are in comparison to everybody elses. I think maybe we should take a look at how we judge JT and JB in comparison to the league. Before the year, I was ridiculed by many when i said they werent superstars...Turns out I was right. you might have a point there. I never thought JT was all that coming out of college but stats prove that these two are star players. They have more punch than most of the duos out there. What contradicts your statement is that we are losing to teams that we should beat even if our two main guys are not the superstars you claim they arent. So. Who else can we blame this to? To give them the green light to shoot 3s all night long after they missed 20 in the first half, is absurd. To not ask them to do it differently is not up to the players.
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Post by solly on Apr 1, 2021 11:55:33 GMT -5
I dont think anybody would accuse me of being a Celtics homer, ask Fierce for his opinion. Im simply saying the blame is misguided as were the expectations. I am not defended Brad personally. I am just doing 2 things. I limit the effect a coach has on a team in the NBA, as imo it is pretty mute. Especially at a championship level. And two, I am saying it could be any coach in there and the problems would still exist. I have said multiple times, I dont care if you fire Brad or not, in the end it wont matter. Pop, Kerr, Nurse, Spoelstra...The list could go on, what do these guys have in common? You talking about coaches adjusting gameplans and being creative to compete, to me is completely false. Our mindsets are just different. The coaching in the league simply doesnt matter in the big picture. What does matter is how good your best players are in comparison to everybody elses. I think maybe we should take a look at how we judge JT and JB in comparison to the league. Before the year, I was ridiculed by many when i said they werent superstars...Turns out I was right. you might have a point there. I never thought JT was all that coming out of college but stats prove that these two are star players. They have more punch than most of the duos out there. What contradicts your statement is that we are losing to teams that we should beat even if our two main guys are not the superstars you claim they arent. So. Who else can we blame this to? To give them the green light to shoot 3s all night long after they missed 20 in the first half, is absurd. To not ask them to do it differently is not up to the players. Its a players run league, is Brad going to tell his best player to stop shooting? I dont think so. In the regular season, a lot of games are won with effort on both ends of hte floor. Thats how a less talent 2016 team got the 1 seed. The problem in a playoff series is they ran out of talent. I dont think this team gives you a consistent effort on both ends of the floor every night? Do you?
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Post by cole on Apr 1, 2021 11:58:35 GMT -5
you might have a point there. I never thought JT was all that coming out of college but stats prove that these two are star players. They have more punch than most of the duos out there. What contradicts your statement is that we are losing to teams that we should beat even if our two main guys are not the superstars you claim they arent. So. Who else can we blame this to? To give them the green light to shoot 3s all night long after they missed 20 in the first half, is absurd. To not ask them to do it differently is not up to the players. Its a players run league, is Brad going to tell his best player to stop shooting? I dont think so. In the regular season, a lot of games are won with effort on both ends of hte floor. Thats how a less talent 2016 team got the 1 seed. The problem in a playoff series is they ran out of talent. I dont think this team gives you a consistent effort on both ends of the floor every night? Do you? Would pop find a way to tell him? Would he bench the starting 5 to prove a point? Yes and yes
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Post by petey62 on Apr 1, 2021 11:58:56 GMT -5
I'll make it easy and answer my guestions Solly. Tank Play our young guys in hopes that maybe some poor team will take two or three off our back in a trade.. JT and JB are our young guys, and theyre playing. They only should get better by learning the game as they play it. If they dont, then the Celtics will never win Playing will allow them to learn the game but they have to improve their skillsets. These guys need to stop with the Instagram takes of them working with other superstars. I don't want to see Tatum working with Kobe and I don't see the benefit of Brown working with Tracy McGrady. Honestly, neither will improve their skillset working with those two. Tatum and Brown are wasting their time for these photo ops. Until Tatum and Brown spend their summers working with shooting gurus Dave Hopla, Chris Matthews or Chip Engelland to master their skillset, they are wasting their times. There is a reason why we have seen such little obvious improvement in their games. Actually, I've seen more improvement in Brown's game than in Tatum's.
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 1, 2021 12:24:34 GMT -5
you might have a point there. I never thought JT was all that coming out of college but stats prove that these two are star players. They have more punch than most of the duos out there. What contradicts your statement is that we are losing to teams that we should beat even if our two main guys are not the superstars you claim they arent. So. Who else can we blame this to? To give them the green light to shoot 3s all night long after they missed 20 in the first half, is absurd. To not ask them to do it differently is not up to the players. Its a players run league, is Brad going to tell his best player to stop shooting? I dont think so. In the regular season, a lot of games are won with effort on both ends of hte floor. Thats how a less talent 2016 team got the 1 seed. The problem in a playoff series is they ran out of talent. I dont think this team gives you a consistent effort on both ends of the floor every night? Do you? of course Brad is not going to sit him. Thats where the problem begins. Now go back to Ainges comments and isnt that what he says? But anyways. No consistent effort because we are focused on the wrong areas of improvement. They always say, Defense leads to offense. We are trying to unclog the basket from 3 no ifs or buts and Brad is content with it. Are you happy about that too??
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Post by cole on Apr 1, 2021 12:30:52 GMT -5
Personally I wouldn't be shocked if the two Jays were just jacking up shots because they feel like they're the only players on this team. I feel like things have generally fallen apart as the rest of the team has fallen apart and chemistry with it.
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Post by solly on Apr 1, 2021 12:36:57 GMT -5
JT and JB are our young guys, and theyre playing. They only should get better by learning the game as they play it. If they dont, then the Celtics will never win Playing will allow them to learn the game but they have to improve their skillsets. These guys need to stop with the Instagram takes of them working with other superstars. I don't want to see Tatum working with Kobe and I don't see the benefit of Brown working with Tracy McGrady. Honestly, neither will improve their skillset working with those two. Tatum and Brown are wasting their time for these photo ops. Until Tatum and Brown spend their summers working with shooting gurus Dave Hopla, Chris Matthews or Chip Engelland to master their skillset, they are wasting their times. There is a reason why we have seen such little obvious improvement in their games. Actually, I've seen more improvement in Brown's game than in Tatum's. Brown has definitely improved his game a lot. Tatum has a natural ability to score, and make tough shots. They both have to learn and develop their playmaking ability, when to take over, how to make teammates better and get them open looks. Right now, they are immature, they want ASG appearances and scoring titles. Hopefully they grow out of that
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 1, 2021 12:37:13 GMT -5
Personally I wouldn't be shocked if the two Jays were just jacking up shots because they feel like they're the only players on this team. I feel like things have generally fallen apart as the rest of the team has fallen apart and chemistry with it. sit them up. Simple as that.
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Post by solly on Apr 1, 2021 12:39:03 GMT -5
Its a players run league, is Brad going to tell his best player to stop shooting? I dont think so. In the regular season, a lot of games are won with effort on both ends of hte floor. Thats how a less talent 2016 team got the 1 seed. The problem in a playoff series is they ran out of talent. I dont think this team gives you a consistent effort on both ends of the floor every night? Do you? of course Brad is not going to sit him. Thats where the problem begins. Now go back to Ainges comments and isnt that what he says? But anyways. No consistent effort because we are focused on the wrong areas of improvement. They always say, Defense leads to offense. We are trying to unclog the basket from 3 no ifs or buts and Brad is content with it. Are you happy about that too?? I dont have a problem with them taking open 3s, I dont think they are a great shooting team, but its hard to pass up open looks. They dont give consistent effort on the defensive end, and they havent all year. They dont move the ball consistently on offense, they play Hero ball. Probably because the two guys that handle it all the time love isolation play
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Post by solly on Apr 1, 2021 12:40:16 GMT -5
Its a players run league, is Brad going to tell his best player to stop shooting? I dont think so. In the regular season, a lot of games are won with effort on both ends of hte floor. Thats how a less talent 2016 team got the 1 seed. The problem in a playoff series is they ran out of talent. I dont think this team gives you a consistent effort on both ends of the floor every night? Do you? Would pop find a way to tell him? Would he bench the starting 5 to prove a point? Yes and yes What happens if you bench them? Do they all of a sudden know how to create shots for others? Thats a skillset thats learned and developed over time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 12:41:52 GMT -5
Personally I wouldn't be shocked if the two Jays were just jacking up shots because they feel like they're the only players on this team. I feel like things have generally fallen apart as the rest of the team has fallen apart and chemistry with it. Thinking the same.. We have no consistant third option. The dude in the middle at the 5 minute mark says it all.. Wagner is no Theiss was another valid point..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 12:44:28 GMT -5
Personally I wouldn't be shocked if the two Jays were just jacking up shots because they feel like they're the only players on this team. I feel like things have generally fallen apart as the rest of the team has fallen apart and chemistry with it. sit them up. Simple as that. We don't have a sit up man.. A Paul or Rondo like PG is needed.. Paul has done wonders with the Suns..
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Post by solly on Apr 1, 2021 12:44:29 GMT -5
Do we give Mike Brown credit for developing Lebron James and his skillset?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 13:01:20 GMT -5
Do we give Mike Brown credit for developing Lebron James and his skillset? It's not one player or two and its more than developing..It's a complete breakdown.. The whole team is playing poorly you fail to see that.. We have the wrong players or the wrong coach or both.. Pick one this shit of complaining about a different player every game make no sense. It's Smart KY says. Dee says Walker TT has taken a lot of heat from many here.. Semi and Gwiil get the blame when they play . Theiss got it every other game all year. You say Tatum and or Brown. See the pattern.?. It's Ainge Stevens or Both . Pick one
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 1, 2021 13:01:45 GMT -5
sit them up. Simple as that. We don't have a sit up man.. A Paul or Rondo like PG is needed.. Paul has done wonders with the Suns.. we have kemba. You know that aint gonna happen and you know he wont sit kemba for that matter
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 1, 2021 13:07:30 GMT -5
He sat his starting five against the Pels!!!!!
I can find the link if you really want
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 13:11:09 GMT -5
Well . We'll know one thing.
When we start looking good and his many predictions come true Fierce will return..
I'm just hoping i still have another 8 or 10 years left.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 13:12:45 GMT -5
He sat his starting five against the Pels!!!!! I can find the link if you really want All 5 at once? I'm not arguing just asking.. Missed the ist half..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 13:26:10 GMT -5
Just looked over the Sox schedule.
See a lot of homegames at Fenway. Get my second vacine stab tomorrow..
If i fly up anyone interested in taking on a game or two.? . Has to be in April the earlier the better.. I'm serious i think i can swing it.
Unlike NBA players. I have wool clothes . I'm really a nice guy in person just come here to vent.
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Post by kyceltic on Apr 1, 2021 13:38:44 GMT -5
Personally I wouldn't be shocked if the two Jays were just jacking up shots because they feel like they're the only players on this team. I feel like things have generally fallen apart as the rest of the team has fallen apart and chemistry with it. You could very well be right! In a way you can't blame them, maybe Fournier will help!
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